Childrens speech, behavior - LONG

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I was reading another thread that was started by Therese. Cultturing

Biokult etc... She asked this:

2. My 3yr old boy has had mild speech difficulties since he's been

starting to talk.(mostly difficulty with pronunciation, and forming

the thoughts into words) On Saturday, we upped the dosage on the

Bio-Kult for the first time (from a total of one capsule a day to 1 &

1/2 capsules)That very same day, he started stuttering. He did it a

TINY bit before all of this, but nothing too noticeable. Now it's VERY

noticeable!

Does anyone in this group have a child with similar speech problems? And

has anyone encountered any similar die-off symptoms? Or, if anyone has

any sort of comments about this problem, it would be greatly

appreciated.

It kind of never got addressed or answered. Her post made me think of

my own kids and am wondering if anyone can answer how this all affects

childrens speech and language skills, behavior in general. I have

never had my kids seen for anything disorder like because docs are to

prescript happy and i figure they will just put them on meds that will

make them worse. I have never read books on ADD, autism, the SCD, or

GAP book etc.

Here is what my kids are like:

11.5 yr old. He was always extremely fearful and shy. At about 12 mos

of age he was terrified of any stranger and it came on beyond

suddenly. We were shopping he was letting everyone talk to him and rub

his head as susual. A few isles later he flipped when another woman

came up to him and was forever terrified of strangers. He was afraid

of grass and sand etc... He hated food on his hands and would whine in

his highchair for a rag to wash them off the entire time he ate. He

never wantedto go out and play or play with other kids. Very much a

loner despite me taking him on walks, to the park, and having play

dates etc.

As a preschooler and toddler he would be obsessed with germs,

handwashing. Not excessive like 20 times a day. He always washed his

hands after bathroom and avoided things that got his hands dirty. He

would montior people at our house and ask if they washed hands after

bathroom. If not he would get the lysol and spray anything they

touched and ask them to wash their hands. Still no interest in going

places, park, wlaks, play in sand, very homebody. Very interactive

with me and immed. family, not exteneded rfamily, not other people or

their kids. He would be in love with one thing for yrs. Like Toy

Story it was his absolute fav. He collected it for yrs and yrs. We

also do not do main stream things that much either so he did not have a

lot of other popular movies or cartoons to get his affection right

away. I have always been very picky on what i feel is appropriate for

their ages and even when we find one that is okay they don't get a lot

of TV time anyway. So while everyone else has long forgot about Toy

Story, 4 yrs later he is still collecting it all.

He had fits daily when putting on shoes because of " sock problems "

they felt weird. The seam against his toes etc.... he would sit there

and take them off and put on over and over ...... This drove me mad as

much as it drove him crazy. Also he always had constipation and

frequent urination issues - except soemtimes he could not pee at all,

or it would only dribble, or sometimes a full bladder again. The

bathroom issues still remain today. Docs do not know why he has this

peeing sensation/frequent urges etc. even when empty bladder. He can

be in the bathroom for an hour because it feels like he heas to pee and

can't go or it is dribbling. His constipation is bad that he is in

there for a couple of hrs soemtimes. At some point around 5 he started

getting eczema or dermatitis on his hands too. They get real bad in

the winter itch like crazy with red spots all over them.

He is an absolute thinker, logical, and very much a builder. He has a

hard time liking and doing anything except the few things that he

really likes - building. Meaning if he is not interested he wants

nothing to do with and sees no value in learning it. He has become more

clear in his speech the last couple of yrs, mostly this past.

Otherwise he still talked like a 6 or 7 yr old. You know pronouncing

R's strange etc. He still has some of that. Right now i can't pin

point which ones. Prior to the last 2 or 3 yrs he has always been very

scared of change, new clothes, new bedding etc.... he just wanted

everything to stay the same, to not grow or grow up, not get old and

worn etc... But we were also a military family. Having to move

sometimes yrly and a dad spending time away - a lot. Year at a time

with deployments etc... So some of his behavior could be that his life

changed so much he wanted his personal items to stay the same. He is

still shy around any new people and afraid to make conversation. This

was extreme before, but now he puts forth effort and opens up. He has

been this way since that day in the store when he screamed at a new

person talking to him at 12 mos. He seemed to never grow out of this

fear that happened that day. Things only got worse regardless of play

groups, karate, etc type of classes.

We even homeschooled because this fear was so overwhelming for him. I

could not imagine sending him off to school and it being beneficial.

My instincts had always said it was not normal and something was wrong

and sending him would be bad. His pedia agreed that daycare or school

may be too much for him. Anyhow we still homeschool. We started NT

3yrs ago and this is also when the blossoming kind of began 3- 4 yrs

ago for him things got less extreme to normal. I figured it was age

and he was outgrowing some of it all. Maybe diet made a dif. But i

never paid attention because i always thought Autism kids were like

what you see on 20/20. Can't speak, stare off in space, Rain Man

like. So i never thoguht these illnesses were my kids, but did not

know why they acted like this. This was not all day. This was a few

things and never in public.

8.5 yr old Daughter. She has always been pretty unthinking. Like

logic does not exist. As a baby she cried all the time. I swore off

kids after her she was so hard. I BF both kids. Doc said her crying

was not colic cause BF babies do not get it. But she would cry and cry

all day. If not crying then fuss a lot. She would act like she wanted

me i would pcik her up and she would have a fit. I would put her down

and she would flip out even more. My earliest memories of her are like

this. Crying unhappy baby. No matter what i did. She always wanted

to be held. d around. Not cuddled. She seemed to hate

affection. As a toddler she did not talk at all. In fact she just

started a few yrs ago. Around 4 or 5 she started fianlly expressing

herself with words or coming up to get affection and hug me a lot and

say i love you. Like 20 or more times a day. She would use single

words and nods to get by prior to this. But that was it. She could

not answer questions. If you asked if she liked something she could

not say yes i like that. It was like this big life altering question

(for both kids. Choosing a treat or toy would take an hr at the

store). If she was asked what she wanted for her bday she would not

know. She just picked whatever her brother liked. 2 yrs ago she

started choosing for herself. She finally was able to tell us this is

what i like - Little Pet Shop toys Which she is now avidly

collecting. Prior to this i could not tell you much about her because

i had no clue who she was or what she liked. She was so introverted

around her own parents and played alone or with brother but that was

it. I still ahve a hard time trying to talk to her now. i feel like i

have nothing to say to her as she does not initiate conversation

etc.. . Like there is this big break between us. Where my son has

laways been able to talk to me a lot and have deep conversations.

When we talk with her now she still has a hard time. She sits there

and says... um.... um.... like.... i.... um.....huh.....i.... don't....

know. If she is in trouble and we are discussing her choices and what

would have been a better way to do it. She can't communicate back to

us. If someone asks her directly about stuff she freezes. She is very

very shy. Won't really talk to other kids and play just like my son

did. They both would stand there and watch life happen. Well this

past couple of yrs she too has gotten better, but it is still preety

bad when it is semi confrontational - the direct questions. Especially

this last yr. she has made a huge improvement in coming out of her

shell. She loves Ballet and actually volunteered to have extra parts

in the semi professional theatre companys performance of the

Nutcracker. We did not think she would even want to be in it much less

extra parts!

But her talking to us and telling us things she can't do. She say's it

is too hard. She can't think of words or make them come out. When it

is playing and goofing okay. If you can't hear what she said and ask

her to repeat, the nthe freeze comes. Eve nthough it was goofing and

not even a serious issue. The serious conversation or strangers, new

people the big freeze and um.... uh.... huh with all kinds of squirming

and fidgeting starts again. As a toddler she would play w/ toys and

you could hear her making them talk kind of, but she as herself to

an0other would not. But she would not talk to us. Her speech is also

poor. Like my sons was. She still sounds very young and unclear for

her age of 8.5.

When they were both 3 on up we had them in ballet, gymnastics, play

dates, creative dance, karate. .. etc. We would rotate the classes.

Each time it was time to leave there or even shopping both would have

absolute fits about leaving (this was always the case from toddler hood

up wit hboth kids). She always hated her car seat even as a new baby

she would scream as soon as we put her in it. It continued and she

would fight us as she got older. I would ask after we went and had

fun somewhere why they put up such a big fight to go to the park etc...

especially when we always wind up having so much fun. They would not

want to leave the park, or the class etc. because they enjoyed it so

much and then whined about going home. This was everytime we left

somewhere it did not matter where we went. They did not know why. But

as soon as it was time to go somewhere the fight started again

regardless of me reminding them how much fun it was last time and again

as soon as it was time to leave to go home they would not want o tgo

home. No tantrums or anyhting about going but utter disappointment

that the session was over. Very bummed and out.

I would have to start getting them ready an hr or 2 ahead of time

because the drama would be full force. The sock problem, the fighting

about going, she would take her stuff off as soon as my back was turned

for a second. After an hr or 2 they would finally be done. Get out

the door and she would start in as soon as it was time to get in her

car seat. This would take another 20 minutes in the driveway. She

would have fits about bedtime and nap. The kind that she is flinging

herself around hitting her head on the ground etc... I could not

figure this out - hurt yourself because it is bedtime even though we

never gave in and said okay you don't have. Their fits made us stick

to our guns even more. It drove me nuts. We are/were good/fair, some

what strict parents, we never caved to tantrums, but never ruled with

an iron fist either. They acted totally normal in public and everyone

thought i had the greatest kids. Well the ywere totally normal outside

of these instances. It was these few key things that set them off at

home. Other wise they were/are very obedient, play awesome together,

very loving and kind etc... Each others best friend. It was these

things, the socks, the pee problems, leaving the house, sitting in the

car seat, that sent them railing.

That also died down about 3 yrs ago with them both. I have been

figuring it was stuff she kind of picked up from him, the constant

moving and dad being deployed etc.. That his is how they reacted to

change etc... because their life changes more than the avg kid. While

my military friends had kids who were mean and fighting all the time

and no control over them, mine had moments of meltdown. Where ours

were always very respectful, normal well mannered kids with these

moments. As they got older less and less of this happened. To the

point now that the speech/discussion is the biggest for her and his

constip./pee issue for him and some speech. I have assumed that it was

stages. Now i wonder if there is more to it. If it really has been

bad health and that the NT diet has helped a slow healing process.

They were both vacced, him fully, she until preschool. No shots after

3 or 4. In my heart and gut everytime i took them i felt it was wrong

and bad but i thought i had to. I never ever felt right doing it and

deep inside was afraid it was doing something ot them. But i never

noticed anything worse right after getting any of them. Anyhow we

started NT 3 yrs ago. and i am wodnering if that helped them come out

of it, or if it is the age, they grew out of it. Does anyo of this

sound familiar with these various issues that GAPS etc deal with.

Sorry so long. My friends and family in real life 1 do not even think

any of this stuff is real - trust the FDA etc. 2 their kids are so bad

that mine seem like perfect angels. So do not have a good measuring

stick or people to bounce ideas with.

TIA

julia

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,

First of all, my heart goes out to you. You must have alot of

patience to deal with all of that. I feel like mine went out the

window when me sleep problems started.

The first thing that came to mind when I started reading your

post was OCD. Some of the behaviours that you described

your son having, sounded reminecent of OCD (Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder) Not that he has OCD, but that the

behaviours might lean that way.

Also, the speech/language issues sound similar to what

my 3yr olds issues have been before. I truly think that both

kid's issues are do to some neurological problem. It's like

some connection from the brain to the mouth isn't working

properly.

I find it interesting that the stuttering has already morphed

into less stuttering, but more forcing the word out. (i.e.,

instead of repeated the word or syllable over and over, he

elongates it as he tries to force it out) It's painful to watch

him struggling so. We'll see how it changes as we progress

through this diet.

Are you on the GAPS, BED, or SCD diet? Or is your whole

family? If your children are on it too, I'm curious to see if it

helps out in the long run.

Therese

[Guest guest]

In McCarthy's book " Louder Than Words " she writes that her son had two huge developmental leaps:1. After he started the GFCF diet -- he said his first word, " juice " I think -- after not talking for like a year or two (after the MMR shot and subsequent seizures

2. After he started on ThreeLac (probiotic) -- he laughed at a joke on TV for the first time ever says she is convinced that it is the candida that causes autism. She also said that she would never vaccinate if she had another child.

[Guest guest]

Yeah sort of OCDish. Just ordered GAPS and we will start it.

As for diet, i started NT 3 yrs ago. We have had 2 more children in

that time and they are so different as babies and toddlers. Well

my 2.5 yr old is. She is far more out going and just plain funny,

advanced, so full of personality we have been shocked by it and sad

that the older 2 were kind of trapped in their fear etc. This one

and new baby is much more sturdy and tumble too. They are not fat

but that healthy baby fat stalky body. She is more fearless to and

things that one would not normally be afraid does not freak her out

like it did the other 2.

I found out about NT in my last trimester with 2.5 yr old and went

full speed ahead in a few days. Went through and wiped out the

entire kitchen of anything questionable, even seasonings. Then for

the next few days could not figure out what to cook as it all needed

to be soaked, fermented, etc... first. That was the hard part rem.

to plan ahead, still is. So 2.5 yr old basically grew up on a

more NT diet, the others were the typical SAD, not as bad as most

people, but still SAD. She has never been vacced, never had an anti

biotic or anyother kind of medicine,. Not been to see the docotor

other than to let them see she is alive and healthy as a horse.

Being military on small posts you run into the pedias who may call on

you if you do not bring your kid in as they think your looney for

believing anyhting bad about MD's, conventional meds, and vaccs. So

i brought her in at 2 weeks, 6 months. That was it. Oh and when we

moved i brought her into see new doctor at 2 yrs when my daughter was

having a plantar wart taken care of so they could meet/see she was

happy healthy etc... Documentation purposes bascially is all i take

her in for. I will not let this one (or my 5 mo old) be drowned in

vaccines and anti b's.

I definitily think that there is some connection with past and

present issues to diet. But how much regarding how hard life was for

them will be a mystery. I will definitely post about progress i

think is because of GAPS diet though. We will al lbe following it.

My husband is military reservist and we do not see how he can

actually stay on intro diets etc. As he has a few week long type of

trainings coming up and he has to eat what they okay - which is

MRE's. Nasty nasty stuff. But the kids and i will be on it. He is

upset about it as he is fully into all of this and wants to see the

roots cleaned out of us all. He has psoriasis stuff so bad. My

instincts tells me his is absolutely fungal rooted too. But i am not

sure he can stay away from bad foods they serve long enough to get

anywhere.

Since we started NT my older 2 have rarely been in to see the doc.

The peeing thing jsut to make sure there was nothing kidney related

etc... The wart. But any other illnesses i now take care of at home

with home remedies and wait it out. Their med files in the past 3

yrs as the same size as a 1 yr section. You always hear that as they

get older they go in less. But it seemed like they were sick just as

often with ear infections etc. So the same amount of visits each yr

really. Not any more

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>

> First of all, my heart goes out to you. You must have alot of

> patience to deal with all of that. I feel like mine went out the

> window when me sleep problems started.

> The first thing that came to mind when I started reading your

> post was OCD. Some of the behaviours that you described

> your son having, sounded reminecent of OCD (Obsessive

> > Are you on the GAPS, BED, or SCD diet? Or is your whole

> family? If your children are on it too, I'm curious to see if it

> helps out in the long run.

>

> Therese

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