Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 It is a zoelite, which is formed when lava hits mineral rich ocean water. it forms a honeycomb structure which supposedly traps toxins from heavy metals to viruses, and eliminates them from the body. To my knowledge and unless i am missing something, the only results that have been documented on curing cancer with the product have been by injecting zeolites directly into the cancer. I am also concerned about the similarity with asbestos and what unknown results that may have. I am looking into this product more and can share more later. From: thewfamily6 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 Subject: [ ] Natural Cellular Defense I would like to know more about this product if you can help! Thanks, Johanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 I’ve been debating chelation but I would more about your experience with this product. Private or to the group is fine with me, tkuhn1@.... I did a quick search on the internet. Looks like there is a distributor option. Which because of the cost, I would go that route. Can you tell me how many bottles your daughter goes through and what about taste? My guy, he drives me crazy! I hate to get started and find out it is the most terrible tasting stuff. Cost after deal ship too. I would love to get both started. Do you do the enzymes too and lot of other supplements also? Thanks in advance. Tammy Re: ? for Dana regarding chelation with ALA > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:20:21 -0000 > > Dana, > > Is this really true? Not that I'm doubting you, just pleasantly > surprised to hear it! I've been told you can't get mercury from the > brain but that could have just been one persons opinion. > > Deb > > > " ALA will remove mercury from the brain, which is why you should use > it at some point. " > > Dana > > __________________________________________________________ > Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! > http://club. <http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?> live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx? icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2007 Report Share Posted September 29, 2007 I am not a distributor, no...it costs me about $40 per bottle including shipping and we go through about 1 1/2 a month (my daughter takes 1 a day, I take 1 a day and my husband takes a few more.) If your child could tolerate more drops, you'd go through more obviously. I wish mine could-I would bite the bullet on a very tight budget and give her all she could tolerate. Yes, we have used Houston enzymes for...about 6 years, I guess and they are still the #1 biomedical intervention for us. My kids could not make their way in the world without them (I have tried other brands and will never use any other than Houston.) Oh-there is absolutely no taste to the NCD drops. Its like water. --- In , " Tamara Kuhn " <tkuhn1@...> wrote: > > I've been debating chelation but I would more about your experience with > this product. Private or to the group is fine with me, tkuhn1@... > > > > > I did a quick search on the internet. Looks like there is a distributor > option. Which because of the cost, I would go that route. Can you tell me > how many bottles your daughter goes through and what about taste? My guy, > he drives me crazy! I hate to get started and find out it is the most > terrible tasting stuff. Cost after deal ship too. I would love to get both > started. > > > > Do you do the enzymes too and lot of other supplements also? Thanks in > advance. > > > > Tammy > > > > > > Re: ? for Dana regarding chelation with ALA > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:20:21 -0000 > > > > Dana, > > > > Is this really true? Not that I'm doubting you, just pleasantly > > surprised to hear it! I've been told you can't get mercury from the > > brain but that could have just been one persons opinion. > > > > Deb > > > > > > " ALA will remove mercury from the brain, which is why you should use > > it at some point. " > > > > Dana > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great > prizes! > > http://club. <http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?> > live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx? > icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Can you provide the links to the abstracts/studies that support these specific claims? (snipped below) wishing you the best answers elizabeth (snipped) What that means is that the zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph, attracting, binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to release stored toxins. This is preferable because when the body is stimulated to relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a more toxic situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical trials, observations, over a period of many months, typically, is that as the circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently begins to release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I apologize for my non-scientific questions, but these are the questions that came to mind when I read this information. You can reply with scientific info if you want, there are people here who understand science and can " interpret " for me LOL > 1. It is predictable in it's action. I believe this can be said about *almost* anything natural. How is this different, if in fact it is? >>Every time it is consumed, it is > uptaked into the circulatory system, attracts heavy metals, draws them > into a cage like structure and binds them irreversibly. Once enough > toxins are in the cage, the structure becomes net nuetral in charge and > is eliminated. What does it do if you don't have any more metals in your body for it to attract? If it is not " net neutral " , what happens to it? > 2. It is not charge specific, meaning that it will attract and bind > all dense, positively charged toxins. So then it is a negatively charged substance? Also, this relates to my question above, what happens if there is nothing present for it to attract? > 3. It is passive in it's behavior. What that means is that the > zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph, attracting, > binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to release stored > toxins. This is preferable because when the body is stimulated to > relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a more toxic > situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical trials, > observations, over a period of many months, typically, is that as the > circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently begins to > release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate them. Based on my research and understanding, mercury in the brain will not be naturally released by the body, a chelator has to come in and pull it out. So perhaps NCD will clear body load but not the mercury in the brain? Or, if in fact the body does expel stored mercury, it seems like for a very highly toxic person, this could take a LOOOOOOOONG time, definitely not the 4-6 months that someone else posted about what she was told. The fact that you write " the body is stimulated to release what it has already stored away safely " , sounds odd to me, because I can't imagine that mercury stored in the brain was stored away SAFELY. Also you write, in the next phrase of the same sentence, " it creates a more toxic situation initially " . I don't think any of us want to create a MORE toxic situation. Your description of the NCD " binding irreversibly " and then excreting the toxins, is the opposite of this description where it creates a more toxic situation initially. Can you clarify? Also, what does not make sense to my non-scientific brain, is that you wrote " It does not stimulate the body to release stored toxins " and in the same paragraph you wrote " the body naturally gently begins to release stored toxins " . These seem contradictory. Can you explain? > 4. With these mechanisms, over a period of time, the NCD is thorough > in it's action. How long, for a highly toxic person? In a previous message, I wrote that I had tried NCD a while back, probably a year or so now. It left a really bad aftertaste. Someone, I don't remember if it was you, replied that it was probably because it was pulling toxins and I must be highly toxic. I have been using ALA for over a year now, and I have experienced a LOT of good improvements, etc. So I know I am not as toxic now as I was before. I took more NCD this morning. I have a stomachache and bad aftertaste, again. Any ideas? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Many of the rat studies are too small to be statistically or clinically significant. Nothing here suggests heavy metal binding in humans. Rik Deutsch has made the same claims for years that " studies are imminent. Nothing substantial to date. Still totally unconvinced. The Croatian studies are totally irrelevant in my opinion. Mark Schauss www.ToxicWorldBook.com > > > > > > > > Anyone familiar with natural cellular defense or zeolite for > > removal > > > of > > > > heavy metals? Director at our clinic says that it did wonders > for > > her > > > > son but I think she also sells it so I don't know how much to > > believe > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has some relevant knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control and unrelated to reality. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 I just want to know, & wish someone could tell me, why if NCD zeolites are so harmless & worthless, why they made my 2yo regress into full blown autism that I still cannot recover him? Desperate mom... Michele > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has some relevant > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control and unrelated to > reality. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 ----- Original Message ----- From: special6mom I just want to know, & wish someone could tell me, why if NCD zeolites are so harmless ====>Hi Michele, Nothing is harmless, I'm always mindful of that but NCD is not usually harmful although there is that report of the 8 year old who lost his speech overnight. & worthless ====>Worthless as far as chelation goes, yes but I've tried to honestly report that some kids' have improved on NCD. Not improved to the point of recovery but it has been helpful for some kids' who had not improved on much else and for that I'm grateful. , why they made my 2yo regress into full blown autism that I still cannot recover him? ====>There is a theory that whatever NCD might do, it does in the intestines. NCD is pretty much fulvic acid and/or dirt I believe. There is also a theory that NCD can help in some way as an antiviral. I know that is not very much to go on and I'm sure you are by now hesitant to experiment so I might try some immune support if I were you i.e. Colostrum, Transfer Factor, Beta Glucan, Vitamin A, etc. Desperate mom... Michele > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has some relevant > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control and unrelated to > reality. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 , I'm doing as much as I can. He's been getting transfer factor & probiotics since he was 8m old (before zeos). He gets spectrum complete multi, C, lysine, DMG, follinic acid, biotin... I've treated him with diflucan & he got VERY sick (respitory distress). I can't treat yeast too aggressively or he gets sick. Candex made him wheeze. Low doses of GSE caps are doing okay; but no real improvements. He's on 1/4 cap OLE now with the GSE. Seen some good things but nothing major. I can't raise that anymore most likely (taste). Thx, Michele > > > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has > some relevant > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control > and unrelated to > > reality. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 ----- Original Message ----- From: special6mom , I'm doing as much as I can. He's been getting transfer factor & probiotics since he was 8m old (before zeos). He gets spectrum complete multi, C, lysine, DMG, follinic acid, biotin... I've treated him with diflucan & he got VERY sick (respitory distress) ====>Try lots of A (1000 Iu per lb) and E, 800 IU for the respiratory distress. Takes awhile but I have a nephew with severe asthma that we arrested with just A and E. E decreases the need for oxygen so very important for asthmatics. . I can't treat yeast too aggressively or he gets sick. Candex made him wheeze. Low doses of GSE caps are doing okay; but no real improvements. He's on 1/4 cap OLE now with the GSE. Seen some good things but nothing major. ====>Then I'd go with the OLE, do you have any tiny capsules, like maybe the Biotin you could put some OLE in and put in something smooth, like apple/pear sauce, all fruit jelly, ice cream, pudding, etc. something he's used to just swallowing and not chewing? This is how we taught ours to swallow capsules, very tiny capsules and then moving up to larger ones. Before this when it was something horrible we either mixed it with peanut butter or bribed her with some treat, Yummi Bear vitamins, worked here. Seems to me your best bet is to try to find someway to get this into him. I can't raise that anymore most likely (taste). Thx, Michele > > > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has > some relevant > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control > and unrelated to > > reality. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2008 Report Share Posted April 5, 2008 Another adverse reaction report it appears. I am really sorry to see it because unlike people who are just hyping MLM products I think there is always a risk with anything that has any physiologic effect at all, and people should only use things there is a reasonable reason to believe have benefits that outweigh the risks. To make that decision the hype has to go away and accurate information needs to be provided so that there aren't more and more unfortunate people like this poor boy. Remember, the autism epidemic IS fundamentally due to a multilevel marketing scam - evil miscreants in the government pretend vaccines are safe, so vaccine makers can sell them to distributors, who sell them to doctors, who lobby for state laws requiring kids to get them and everyone in that chain gets a cut of the money. Andy > > > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has > some relevant > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control > and unrelated to > > reality. > > > > Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Dana, did you use acetyl-l-carnitine or just carnitine? And approximately how much? thanx, Kellie. > My son needed both carnitine and taurine [and CoQ10] for proper fat > absorption. Carnitine was required for proper absorption of several > nutrients here, it was one of my kids' " miracle supps " . > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 My daughter is 14 and can only tolerate 1 drop a day of NCD, but that one drop has worked wonders on her. She has taken it for over a year now and it has helped her alot. She had gone through 2 years of ALA chelation and years of supplements, etc so this was not her only detox method by any means, but it made a huge difference right away and has continued to do so. --- In , " " <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: special6mom > > > > I just want to know, & wish someone could tell me, why if NCD zeolites > are so harmless > > ====>Hi Michele, > > Nothing is harmless, I'm always mindful of that but NCD is not usually harmful although there is that report of the 8 year old who lost his speech overnight. > > > > & worthless > > ====>Worthless as far as chelation goes, yes but I've tried to honestly report that some kids' have improved on NCD. Not improved to the point of recovery but it has been helpful for some kids' who had not improved on much else and for that I'm grateful. > > > > , why they made my 2yo regress into full > blown autism that I still cannot recover him? > > ====>There is a theory that whatever NCD might do, it does in the intestines. NCD is pretty much fulvic acid and/or dirt I believe. > > There is also a theory that NCD can help in some way as an antiviral. I know that is not very much to go on and I'm sure you are by now hesitant to experiment so I might try some immune support if I were you i.e. Colostrum, Transfer Factor, Beta Glucan, Vitamin A, etc. > > > > Desperate mom... > Michele > > > > > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually has > some relevant > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of control > and unrelated to > > reality. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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