Re: need help figuring out what is going on with this kid?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

I just happened to hit on a big piece to my own puzzle here (I'm a 44 yo

chelating adult). I

was having lots of symptoms of low thyroid (low mood, lack of get up and go,

cold). My

T4 and T3 were at the bottom of the range. My adrenal tests weren't terrible,

but could be

better.

I ended up trying Armour, and then ended up getting a full GI test from

Diagnos-Techs.

The GI test turned up a fungal infection, too much bad bacteria, not enough good

bacteria,

IgA food intolerances to gluten and soy, plus low digestive enzymes.

I made the diet changes right away. Anti-candida diet, no gluten, no soy, taking

Zyme

Prime (digestive enzyme from Houston's) with every meal. I started an

anti-fungal, and

some high quality probiotics. In a short time, this has made a huge difference

for me. I

have more energy and my mood is brighter.

The other interesting thing that happened was my thyroid scores before Armour

and my

scores while on 3/4 grain Armour were almost identical. I couldn't tolerate

more than 3/4

grains, but I didn't feel optimal at it either.

With the diet changes, and going after the gut imbalances, I've had to drop my

Armour

from 3/4 grains to 1/2 grains to 1/4 grains and then to zero. I knew I had to

drop

because I was getting the all too familiar symptoms of too much thryoid

medication (chest

tightness and elevated pulse).

I also began taking 500 mg of tyrosine, 50 mcg Selenium, and 225 mcg of iodine

on an

empty stomach upon waking to feed the thyroid pipeline. I think this helped me

drop the

Armour too.

I thought I'd share that with you. I'm sure my youngest has gut problems (she

showed

much improvement on enzymes), but we were tiring of guessing. In my case, it

really

helped to see a piece of paper with test results on it to spur me into action.

Going gluten

free was about the last thing I would have ever tried myself. And we had

dropped the

enzymes & good probiotics ages ago to save money.

At least now I feel like I have a target and don't feel like it's money and

efforts down the

drain. We're planning to run GI tests on both kids to see what is going on. My

oldest is

always cold too, and terribly dry skin.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

I know she is casein intolerant. She is not on digestive enzymes

daily, only takes them when she has had a dairy infraction. But I am

going to start them up with meals to see if it helps.

I know how well a gluten free diet would go over with her. And at

her dad's there is no way they'd follow it. this guy doesn't even

believe in anything we do. He thinks it's all a bunch of bs. I could

mention having her tested with a IgG food panel. Don't know if they

will do it.

I doubt her ped is going to do any gut testing. If they have ever

even heard of it. We did notice she has to take Yeast Aid daily or

she develops this dry hacking cough. No other symptoms, just a dry

hack. She does not present with yeast symptoms at the moment, but

maybe I could put her back on GSE in case some fungal issues are

hiding out.

She is definitely adrenal fatigue. If she misses her 3pm dose, you

know it by 4pm. She is ranting and raving, and blowing up at

everyone. This stuff is so frusturating!! What gets me is that my NT

kid has been harder to treat than the non NT-one. He is doing well

with all this.

So we should continue with all her supps. I don't think there is

anyway the chromium is making her worse. At least not from what I

read. But she says it doesn't help it any. I may also increase the

Yeast Aid. It is very powerful antifungal stuff!

- In , " mmc2315 " <m.chelap@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> I just happened to hit on a big piece to my own puzzle here (I'm a

44 yo chelating adult). I

> was having lots of symptoms of low thyroid (low mood, lack of get

up and go, cold). My

> T4 and T3 were at the bottom of the range. My adrenal tests

weren't terrible, but could be

> better.

>

> I ended up trying Armour, and then ended up getting a full GI test

from Diagnos-Techs.

>

> The GI test turned up a fungal infection, too much bad bacteria,

not enough good bacteria,

> IgA food intolerances to gluten and soy, plus low digestive

enzymes.

>

> I made the diet changes right away. Anti-candida diet, no gluten,

no soy, taking Zyme

> Prime (digestive enzyme from Houston's) with every meal. I

started an anti-fungal, and

> some high quality probiotics. In a short time, this has made a

huge difference for me. I

> have more energy and my mood is brighter.

>

> The other interesting thing that happened was my thyroid scores

before Armour and my

> scores while on 3/4 grain Armour were almost identical. I

couldn't tolerate more than 3/4

> grains, but I didn't feel optimal at it either.

>

> With the diet changes, and going after the gut imbalances, I've

had to drop my Armour

> from 3/4 grains to 1/2 grains to 1/4 grains and then to zero. I

knew I had to drop

> because I was getting the all too familiar symptoms of too much

thryoid medication (chest

> tightness and elevated pulse).

>

> I also began taking 500 mg of tyrosine, 50 mcg Selenium, and 225

mcg of iodine on an

> empty stomach upon waking to feed the thyroid pipeline. I think

this helped me drop the

> Armour too.

>

> I thought I'd share that with you. I'm sure my youngest has gut

problems (she showed

> much improvement on enzymes), but we were tiring of guessing. In

my case, it really

> helped to see a piece of paper with test results on it to spur me

into action. Going gluten

> free was about the last thing I would have ever tried myself. And

we had dropped the

> enzymes & good probiotics ages ago to save money.

>

> At least now I feel like I have a target and don't feel like it's

money and efforts down the

> drain. We're planning to run GI tests on both kids to see what is

going on. My oldest is

> always cold too, and terribly dry skin.

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I agree with . Gut issues can be a major strain on

endocrine function. Continuing to support the adrenals is

important, but addressing the gut problems is necessary to

reduce adrenal stress.

Eating a low glycemic diet can help with both hypoglycemic

issues and gut dysbiosis. I would also give her a low copper

diet to help with menstrual/PMS issues if you are not doing

that already.

Give her some coconut oil - good quality, extra virgin. Or

mix it into food. Many people report coconut oil helps energy

level and can raise body temperature. Start with a small amount

to prevent the discomfort of yeast die-off.

Progesterone cream is one way to provide adrenal support. If she

is sensitive, use a tiny dab and work up slowly over a period of

months. This will also help with weight, mood, and menstrual

issues.

I don't see fish or flax oil in your list of supps. Omega 3 is

very important for PMS and related problems. Using the primrose

oil without the omega 3 can cause imbalance. I would stop the

primrose unless you are sure it is helping something.

What is the dosage of the one cap per day of probiotics? A

reasonable dose to aim for is 75-100 billion organisms or more.

If you are using a good dose, sometimes it helps to change products

(different strains, different balance of strains).

Is she getting enough vitamin A (for gut immune function)? Andy

says 5 RDAs per day. Even with the CLO, she may not be getting

enough.

I feel for her. I had horrible menstrual pain, gut dysbiosis,

and PMS/mood problems as a teen and ongoing through adulthood.

I wish I had known all this back then.

--

[Guest guest]

She is getting flax seed every day, and high vitamin cod liver oil

which has A, E and D in it, more than regular CLO. I also give her

8,000 IU of A, but a few times a week (she is less compliant than

the little one with all these pills). We are trying to adhere to low

gylcemic as much as we can with foods.

We do use coconut oil but not daily. Should we?

We only use the primrose oil a few days before her period and during

it, because it reduces the pain and sometimes stops it.

But she doesnt take it all month.

Probiotics: Jarrow Acidophilus. I think 4 billion is the amount per

cap. Don't quote me. We could increase it or change it.

I was thinking of adding b vites. She used to take them but hates

them so we stopped. maybe more zinc to help with copper? I can't

giver her molybdenum which is what we used for about a year. But

then it started causing serious neurotic behavior, excessive worry,

moodiness, anxiety. It took a while to pinpoint that as the cause.

She likes nuts, so we will have to curb that a bit.

You know now that I think of it, gut problems makes some sense. We

noticed that this summer her abdomen seems to protrude. It was firm

and did not seem proportionate to her body. Odd though, she has not

signs of yeast going on. Tricky this kid...

>

> Jan,

>

> I agree with . Gut issues can be a major strain on

> endocrine function. Continuing to support the adrenals is

> important, but addressing the gut problems is necessary to

> reduce adrenal stress.

>

> Eating a low glycemic diet can help with both hypoglycemic

> issues and gut dysbiosis. I would also give her a low copper

> diet to help with menstrual/PMS issues if you are not doing

> that already.

>

> Give her some coconut oil - good quality, extra virgin. Or

> mix it into food. Many people report coconut oil helps energy

> level and can raise body temperature. Start with a small amount

> to prevent the discomfort of yeast die-off.

>

> Progesterone cream is one way to provide adrenal support. If she

> is sensitive, use a tiny dab and work up slowly over a period of

> months. This will also help with weight, mood, and menstrual

> issues.

>

> I don't see fish or flax oil in your list of supps. Omega 3 is

> very important for PMS and related problems. Using the primrose

> oil without the omega 3 can cause imbalance. I would stop the

> primrose unless you are sure it is helping something.

>

> What is the dosage of the one cap per day of probiotics? A

> reasonable dose to aim for is 75-100 billion organisms or more.

> If you are using a good dose, sometimes it helps to change

products

> (different strains, different balance of strains).

>

> Is she getting enough vitamin A (for gut immune function)? Andy

> says 5 RDAs per day. Even with the CLO, she may not be getting

> enough.

>

> I feel for her. I had horrible menstrual pain, gut dysbiosis,

> and PMS/mood problems as a teen and ongoing through adulthood.

> I wish I had known all this back then.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan, My son sometimes has the same symptoms when he needs a

supplement removed, as when he needed it. Try removing the

chromium.

Alot of the sympyoms you mentioned have been yeast for my son at one

time or another, like fatigue, tires, moody(not tolerating foods,

too), constant hunger(not tolerating foods, too), thirst, frequent

urination, constipation, and anxiety(not tolerating foods, too).

Candex works for my son for yeast.

Good luck, it's hard enough being that age.

a

mom to

>

> My 12 year old Nt kid who is on Andy's protocol, is having some

> issues. She has done 14 rounds with dmsa/ala with relatively few

> problems. But in the past year she has gained 33 pounds! On our

> natural diet?? Her energy level is low, she seems to present with

> many hypothyroid symptoms. She is on supplements, adrenal cortex

> which she can't do without, because she gets really nasty.

> In the past few months her blood sugar has become a problem. She is

> getting sick and has to eat every two hours or so. Depsite taking

> chromium every meal and before bed.

> Cleary something is metabolically wrong. I see symptoms of

> hypothyroid and hypoglycemia. We are going into the ped, which I

> dread...probably get some blood work.

> I am tempted to stop the adrenal and other stuff, but I know how

> nasty she gets without it. It seems weird that her blood sugar has

> gotten worse even in the just the past two weeks. Now she is waking

> up sick at 4 am with hypoglycemic issues and has to eat something.I

> will list her supps below. I welcome any suggestions, any

> ideas..anyting we could try! She is afraid of having to use

insulin.

> Should we stop supps for a few days? Add more?

>

> CLO:high vit w/ x factor once a day

> Vit C: 1500-2000 mg a day

> Magnesium: 300 a day

> Zinc: 50mg a day

> Melatonin: 1mg a day

> Chromium: 200mcg with each meal and before bed

> milk thistle: one cap a day

> adrenal cortex: one cap am, one in afternoon

> Vit E: 400 Iu a day

> probiotics: one cap a day

> Yeast Aid: one cap a day

> Primrose Oil: one week a month (lady issues)

> Vit A: 8000 Iu a day

> calcium w/d: 500mg a day

>

>

> Symptoms:

> low body temp

> fatigue

> tires easily with activity

> moody

> heavy irregular, painful menses

> hypoglycemic symptoms

> rapid weight gain

> constant hunger

> constant thirst

> frquent urination, like every two hours, wakes at night

> constipation

> osteoporosis (teeth)

> inablitlity to stand long

> dry skin

> broken peeling nails

> Major anxiety!

> etc etc etc.....

>

[Guest guest]

Jan, I don't think I had typical GI complaints at all. Maybe I'm clueless, but

I was shocked

to see such a high score, indicating the overgrowth of fungus in my gut.

Right now, I'm taking Pro-Ent-2 as an anti-fungal. I'm supposed to take 2

bottles worth.

I'm also doing a probiotic protocol of three different products in succession,

Hyper-

Implante, Repleniss and Fortefy, with the last being long-term.

I got them all from www.nutri-pharma.com

Also, if you really think your ex won't comply with a gluten free diet, you

could try

Peptizyde (www.houstonni.com) with all casein and gluten infractions.

It took me about a month and a half without gluten to begin to feel better, and

then a felt

tons better with the anti-fungals, anti-candida diet, and probiotics.

I recently reread that great post by Andy about depression and the part about

looking for

food intolerances really jumped out at me this time around.

I just ordered GI tests for dh and the kids. I'll try to remember to keep you

posted when

we get the results back. 2 NT kids here.

[Guest guest]

There are two things here that said that stood out for me.

see below.

>

> Jan,

>

> I agree with . Gut issues can be a major strain on

> endocrine function. Continuing to support the adrenals is

> important, but addressing the gut problems is necessary to

> reduce adrenal stress.

>

> Eating a low glycemic diet can help with both hypoglycemic

> issues and gut dysbiosis. I would also give her a low copper

> diet to help with menstrual/PMS issues if you are not doing

> that already.

>

> Give her some coconut oil - good quality, extra virgin. Or

> mix it into food. Many people report coconut oil helps energy

> level and can raise body temperature. Start with a small amount

> to prevent the discomfort of yeast die-off.

===This has been immensely helpful with my migraine girl (with the

protruding belly)...she even likes coconut oil rubs. And refuses

eggs that aren't cooked in coconut oil these days. lol.

Also, cutting out pasta,noodles,rice etc helped immensely - tho kept

potatoes and such...(related? not sure..)

>

> Progesterone cream is one way to provide adrenal support. If she

> is sensitive, use a tiny dab and work up slowly over a period of

> months. This will also help with weight, mood, and menstrual

> issues.

>

> I don't see fish or flax oil in your list of supps. Omega 3 is

> very important for PMS and related problems. Using the primrose

> oil without the omega 3 can cause imbalance. I would stop the

> primrose unless you are sure it is helping something.

===Primrose is an estrogen promoter - would try an alternative oil

with the same omega # (a detail I do not have memorized at all!).

Unles she needs more estrogen?? Primrose itself, (this was my/our

experience) could be causing mood swings/anger attributed to

something else...might be worth a try.

wishing you the best answers

elizabeth

>

> What is the dosage of the one cap per day of probiotics? A

> reasonable dose to aim for is 75-100 billion organisms or more.

> If you are using a good dose, sometimes it helps to change products

> (different strains, different balance of strains).

>

> Is she getting enough vitamin A (for gut immune function)? Andy

> says 5 RDAs per day. Even with the CLO, she may not be getting

> enough.

>

> I feel for her. I had horrible menstrual pain, gut dysbiosis,

> and PMS/mood problems as a teen and ongoing through adulthood.

> I wish I had known all this back then.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

I'm only beginning to learn about Vit K2 but I see a few symptoms

listed below that would make me think she could benefit from it.

Check out the Vit K2 group and see what you think...

HTH

wyndie

>

> My 12 year old Nt kid who is on Andy's protocol, is having some

> issues. She has done 14 rounds with dmsa/ala with relatively few

> problems. But in the past year she has gained 33 pounds! On our

> natural diet?? Her energy level is low, she seems to present with

> many hypothyroid symptoms. She is on supplements, adrenal cortex

> which she can't do without, because she gets really nasty.

> In the past few months her blood sugar has become a problem. She

is

> getting sick and has to eat every two hours or so. Depsite taking

> chromium every meal and before bed.

> Cleary something is metabolically wrong. I see symptoms of

> hypothyroid and hypoglycemia. We are going into the ped, which I

> dread...probably get some blood work.

> I am tempted to stop the adrenal and other stuff, but I know how

> nasty she gets without it. It seems weird that her blood sugar has

> gotten worse even in the just the past two weeks. Now she is

waking

> up sick at 4 am with hypoglycemic issues and has to eat

something.I

> will list her supps below. I welcome any suggestions, any

> ideas..anyting we could try! She is afraid of having to use

insulin.

> Should we stop supps for a few days? Add more?

>

> CLO:high vit w/ x factor once a day

> Vit C: 1500-2000 mg a day

> Magnesium: 300 a day

> Zinc: 50mg a day

> Melatonin: 1mg a day

> Chromium: 200mcg with each meal and before bed

> milk thistle: one cap a day

> adrenal cortex: one cap am, one in afternoon

> Vit E: 400 Iu a day

> probiotics: one cap a day

> Yeast Aid: one cap a day

> Primrose Oil: one week a month (lady issues)

> Vit A: 8000 Iu a day

> calcium w/d: 500mg a day

>

>

> Symptoms:

> low body temp

> fatigue

> tires easily with activity

> moody

> heavy irregular, painful menses

> hypoglycemic symptoms

> rapid weight gain

> constant hunger

> constant thirst

> frquent urination, like every two hours, wakes at night

> constipation

> osteoporosis (teeth)

> inablitlity to stand long

> dry skin

> broken peeling nails

> Major anxiety!

> etc etc etc.....

>

[Guest guest]

>

> She is getting flax seed every day, and high vitamin cod liver oil

Flax seed or flax oil? You need to use the oil to get omega 3.

> which has A, E and D in it, more than regular CLO. I also give her

> 8,000 IU of A, but a few times a week (she is less compliant than

> the little one with all these pills). We are trying to adhere to low

> gylcemic as much as we can with foods.

>

> We do use coconut oil but not daily. Should we?

Many find it very effective for yeast (or you can use caprylic acid).

You might try it daily for a period of time and see if it makes a

difference.

I looked at the Yeast Aid ingredients and that looks pretty good,

though.

> We only use the primrose oil a few days before her period and during

> it, because it reduces the pain and sometimes stops it.

> But she doesnt take it all month.

If it helps her pain, then use it! I used naproxen for menstrual

pain - it also reduced bleeding - I had to take it at the very

beginning of bleeding or a little before to get good benefits.

Sounds like the same is true with the EPO.

> Probiotics: Jarrow Acidophilus. I think 4 billion is the amount per

> cap. Don't quote me. We could increase it or change it.

Yikes, that is a really tiny amount. Check the dosage - if it is

really that low, consider products like Klaire Therbiotic or Custom

Probiotics or others that have much higher dosages. She would

likely have die-off from these, so I would start with a partial

capsule and work up slowly to prevent that.

> I was thinking of adding b vites. She used to take them but hates

If she hates the B vitamins, there is a reason. Make sure you get

yeast-free B vitamins. Also, some people do better with coenzyme

forms of Bs. B vits can help with adrenal function and with

PMS/menstrual issues.

> them so we stopped. maybe more zinc to help with copper? I can't

> giver her molybdenum which is what we used for about a year. But

> then it started causing serious neurotic behavior, excessive worry,

> moodiness, anxiety. It took a while to pinpoint that as the cause.

> She likes nuts, so we will have to curb that a bit.

I think you said 50 mg zinc currently (am I right? I think my memory

is improving She could probably stand to go a bit higher. But

reducing copper in diet really helps too. I think macadamias and

pine nuts are lower in copper than other nuts - but some people can

easily overdo nuts and might be better to find a truly low copper

snack.

> You know now that I think of it, gut problems makes some sense. We

> noticed that this summer her abdomen seems to protrude. It was firm

> and did not seem proportionate to her body. Odd though, she has not

> signs of yeast going on. Tricky this kid...

She can have yeast without obvious signs. A person doesn't have to

have a white tongue or gas or the like.

It sounds like a good probiotic is what you are missing most. Good

flora balance is important and hers is probably not good even if you

are controlling yeast with the Yeast Aid. If you want to save money,

maybe try homemade SCD yogurt which is easy to do and very high in

probiotic organism count.

--

[Guest guest]

>>You know now that I think of it, gut problems makes some sense. We

noticed that this summer her abdomen seems to protrude. It was firm

and did not seem proportionate to her body. Odd though, she has not

signs of yeast going on. Tricky this kid...

------

Random thoughts related to various things in this thread:

A massage therapist once told me that the lymphatic system gets drained to

the gut as a means to dump the toxins. (A former nurse later told me that

is bunk.) But my experience is that when I am detoxing, my gut swells up

first and that is followed by lots of trips to the bathroom (sometimes to

urinate, sometimes with diarrhea, sometimes normal bowel movements but more

than usual). Then I feel better. I often crave fat/grease at that time and

it seems to absorb the toxins or something and help get them out my system.

I quit being so cold as I got infections under control. I used to be cold

all the time. It's lots better these days, 'tho I am still not as

warm-natured as my sons.

I take wild yam as a supplement to help support my adrenals. It is gentler

than a lot of the supplements I have tried. It seems to be nutritional

support for the adrenals. And coconut oil is good support for both the gut

and thyroid. I take it daily.

Most forms of magnesium can cause diarrhea. Others I know who are big fans

of magnesium use magnesium glycinate. The last time I bought magnesium, I

bought that form of it and I did feel it was better than what I had been

taking before.

For me, heavy irregular painful menses is an attempt to purge toxins of some

kind. Make sure she gets enough B-vitamins and iron to replace the red

blood cells. Severe anemia is no fun (I lived with it for many years). It

takes a few days to make new red blood cells. So if that is an issue, there

will be a delay between starting those supplements and seeing results.

Digestive enzymes helped reduce my severe hypoglycemia. But I am now off

digestive enzymes. Coconut oil is one of the supplements which helped me

get off them. Glyconutrients were also very important for my gut at one

time. I haven't had the money to buy them recently and I can feel that I

need them but it hasn't become the crisis it would have been previously. So

they are less critical than they used to be.

Dry skin: I have a genetic disorder that causes me to purge salt at high

rates. For me, dry skin is something I get when I am not getting enough sea

salt. When I used to take hot baths daily, salt in the bath water was far

more effective in combatting dry skin than oil or any other bath additive I

tried over the years.

Fingernails: I have a couple of unrelated thoughts with this. I take

gelatin as a supplement to treat my tendon problems. My fingernails are

always healthier when I do this consistently. Most of my life, I have had

really crappy fingernails that tore easily (yes, TORE, not broke). So my

first thought is that gelatin might benefit her. And I find that gelatin

does help the gut.

Second, fingernails/fingertips can be indicative of lung health/blood

oxygenation. In people with Cystic Fibrosis, as their lungs become more

damaged, their nails stop being pink and turn blue and also start to

" club " . It is an indicator of low oxygen content in the blood. Actually,

this might be consistent with severe anemia as well (which could be caused

by her heavy periods).

Major anxiety can be a side effect of severe hypoglycemia. When your blood

sugar levels drop too low, the body releases adrenaline in order to draw on

certain stored reserves. If those reserves have been depleted already by

having chronic blood sugar problems, the adrenaline has nothing to do.

Whether those stores are there or not, the frequent release of adrenaline

into the system causes a feeling of anxiety because the person does not know

why they are having a " fight or flight " reaction and they begin to look for

" causes " . Once I understood that mechanism, I became less neurotic.

By the way, you don't get put on insulin for low blood sugar. You already

have too much insulin in your system. When I did a research paper on this

25 years ago, the only known treatment for (functional) hypoglycemia was

cleaning up the diet and taking massive doses of vitamins. I don't know if

there has been any progress since then. Being treated for cystic fibrosis

did a lot for my blood sugar issues, so I have had no reason to look into

this further.

--

Michele

talithamichele@...

http://www.atraceofme.com

If the base leaves, everybody loses: http://www.solanorail.org

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I would increase her magnesium, 300 mgs is minimal and most of the symptoms you

describe could be accounted for by low magnesium, including the hypoglycemia and

osteoporosis. Adequate magnesium is needed for calcium regulation and also helps

with hypoglycemia.

Have her thyroid levels checked, TSH, Free T3 and Free T4.

[ ] need help figuring out what is going on with this

kid?

My 12 year old Nt kid who is on Andy's protocol, is having some

issues. She has done 14 rounds with dmsa/ala with relatively few

problems. But in the past year she has gained 33 pounds! On our

natural diet?? Her energy level is low, she seems to present with

many hypothyroid symptoms. She is on supplements, adrenal cortex

which she can't do without, because she gets really nasty.

In the past few months her blood sugar has become a problem. She is

getting sick and has to eat every two hours or so. Depsite taking

chromium every meal and before bed.

Cleary something is metabolically wrong. I see symptoms of

hypothyroid and hypoglycemia. We are going into the ped, which I

dread...probably get some blood work.

I am tempted to stop the adrenal and other stuff, but I know how

nasty she gets without it. It seems weird that her blood sugar has

gotten worse even in the just the past two weeks. Now she is waking

up sick at 4 am with hypoglycemic issues and has to eat something.I

will list her supps below. I welcome any suggestions, any

ideas..anyting we could try! She is afraid of having to use insulin.

Should we stop supps for a few days? Add more?

CLO:high vit w/ x factor once a day

Vit C: 1500-2000 mg a day

Magnesium: 300 a day

Zinc: 50mg a day

Melatonin: 1mg a day

Chromium: 200mcg with each meal and before bed

milk thistle: one cap a day

adrenal cortex: one cap am, one in afternoon

Vit E: 400 Iu a day

probiotics: one cap a day

Yeast Aid: one cap a day

Primrose Oil: one week a month (lady issues)

Vit A: 8000 Iu a day

calcium w/d: 500mg a day

Symptoms:

low body temp

fatigue

tires easily with activity

moody

heavy irregular, painful menses

hypoglycemic symptoms

rapid weight gain

constant hunger

constant thirst

frquent urination, like every two hours, wakes at night

constipation

osteoporosis (teeth)

inablitlity to stand long

dry skin

broken peeling nails

Major anxiety!

etc etc etc.....

[Guest guest]

You said " inability to stand long. " Have you looked at " orthostatic

intolerance? " I found this thru chronic fatique links & saved a couple

sites, because this sooo totally relates to Me...found this weeks &

weeks ago & sooo forgot about it...some sites I have saved for myself,

as starting points. tho looks like the first one is the only one

directly connected to orthostatic intolerance....

www.phoenix-cfs.org/%20Intolerance%20IV%20-%20Treatment,%20Biomarker.htm

(btw, there was another " better " page at the above site, but that link

keeps giving me an error msg/won't get me to page.)

www.thyrophoenix.com

www.cfs-recovery.org

wishing you good answers

elizabeth

Her energy level is low, she seems to present with

> many hypothyroid symptoms. >>

> inablitlity to stand long

[Guest guest]

> Should we stop supps for a few days? Add more?

Whenever my kids were having problems that I could not figure out,

stopping supplements was usually very helpful. Usually there was at

least one that I had to remove because it was then *causing* the same

issues that originally it had eliminated.

Here is what these symptoms meant at my house.

> Symptoms:

> low body temp

> fatigue

For me, increasing minerals and adding apple cider vinegar was helpful.

> moody

For me, food issues, yeast issues, or lack of B vitamins or EFA or a

few other things.

> constant hunger

For my son, eating foods or supplements not tolerated, yeast overgrowth.

> frquent urination, like every two hours, wakes at night

This is mineral deficiency for me. I need quite a bit of selenium and

molybdenum to keep this under control, plus a multi mineral.

> constipation

Certain supplements were notorious for this problem at my house,

including EFAs and several others. I had to give a LOT of magnesium

[for example, in the beginning, 4 drops of EPO required 1000mg

magnesium]. I wrote about it here

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

> osteoporosis (teeth)

Chelation can do this, especially if you are removing lead.

> inablitlity to stand long

Milk intolerance issues, mineral deficiency.

> dry skin

Folic acid deficiency.

> broken peeling nails

Folic acid, vitamin C, and biotin deficiency.

Dana