Re: Please help with rash! Now - (culturelle/dairy)

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Curious to hear what you think.... both of my kids eat some dairy. My

son eats cheese and yogurt. He has never had a rash in response to

thoose foods. My daughter eats yogurt and I have never seen a rash (it

is SCD yogurt, 24 hour culture). She drank milk before her diet change

and never had rashes. Should I be suspect of a reaction to the

whey/trace amounts of milk considering they both have dairy??

Jen K.

> > My other thought based on that was that introducing Culturelle may

> > have caused a bacterial detox reaction. Both her and her brother

had

> > culturelle this week. She has had more of the Culturelle than her

> > brother which could explain why her rash was worse.

>

>

> It might be bacteria die off, or if your kids are cf, it might be that

> Culturelle contains trace amounts of milk.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dana,

> Curious to hear what you think.... both of my kids eat some dairy. My

> son eats cheese and yogurt. He has never had a rash in response to

> thoose foods. My daughter eats yogurt and I have never seen a rash (it

> is SCD yogurt, 24 hour culture). She drank milk before her diet change

> and never had rashes. Should I be suspect of a reaction to the

> whey/trace amounts of milk considering they both have dairy??

If they are currently eating/drinking milk, then the trace amounts in

Culturelle should not be a problem.

A rash is not the only sign you would watch for tho. Do you give the

milk products with an appropriate enzyme? Have you ever removed milk

for 2-3 days to see if there are changes?

Dana

[Guest guest]

Yeah my daughter has gone without yogurt for more than 2-3 days. She

does well with the yogurt it helped improve her stools tremendously.

She has horrible gut flora and the yogurt was the only way we were

actually getting some good flora established. She is starting to

tolerate some probiotics better now. She is responding very well to

the culturelle. I feel like I have seen huge improvement in yeast

control but this rash is horrible. She is continueing to have it

along with itching. The rash and itching is over her torso but seems

especially prominent over her lower back (over her gut region). I

have also noted her itching at her armpits (lymphnodes??) and at her

head (brain yeast?). Again I have never seen this response to dairy

ever, not even when she was a milk guzzler - she has not had any milk

since she was about 3 years old (so over 2 years now) but does eat

the yogurt. I hate to pull the culturelle when it seems to be a

good impact but the itching is pretty bad. Anyone have something

similar? It is hard to know if this is a detox - how long can a

detox go on?? My daughter does take enzymes regularly. We were

doing all 3 Houston but switched recently to Enzymedica's. I became

concerned that the papain and bromelain in the Houston products I had

may have been causing some irritation along with the high proteases.

I am now using a lower amount of protease. My son takes enzymes but

not with every meal.

Jen K.

> >

> > Dana,

> > Curious to hear what you think.... both of my kids eat some

dairy. My

> > son eats cheese and yogurt. He has never had a rash in response

to

> > thoose foods. My daughter eats yogurt and I have never seen a

rash (it

> > is SCD yogurt, 24 hour culture). She drank milk before her diet

change

> > and never had rashes. Should I be suspect of a reaction to the

> > whey/trace amounts of milk considering they both have dairy??

>

>

> If they are currently eating/drinking milk, then the trace amounts

in

> Culturelle should not be a problem.

>

> A rash is not the only sign you would watch for tho. Do you give

the

> milk products with an appropriate enzyme? Have you ever removed

milk

> for 2-3 days to see if there are changes?

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>>She is responding very well to

> the culturelle. I feel like I have seen huge improvement in yeast

> control but this rash is horrible.

To determine if the rash is caused by yeast leaving the body, try

putting an antifungal cream like Lotrimin on it.

At my house, Culturelle worked to eliminate bad bacteria, not so much

yeast.

> detox go on?? My daughter does take enzymes regularly. We were

> doing all 3 Houston but switched recently to Enzymedica's. I became

> concerned that the papain and bromelain in the Houston products I had

> may have been causing some irritation along with the high proteases.

If you want to try HNI again, there are versions without

papain/bromelain that you can try.

Dana

[Guest guest]

THe culturelle could be addressing bacteria. I know per an OAT done

about 2+ years ago she had the clostridia byproducts in her urine.

For me sometimes it can be confusing what is yeast/bacteria. I

suppose if the culturelle is addressing bacteria yeast could actually

be increasing and causing the rash? I did read that culturelle can

increase IgA which she is low in and I wondered if that (increase in

IGA)could have an impact on yeast?

Yes, I am considering the Houstons other enzymes - AFP pep and the

other zyme pryme.

Jen K.

> >>She is responding very well to

> > the culturelle. I feel like I have seen huge improvement in

yeast

> > control but this rash is horrible.

>

>

> To determine if the rash is caused by yeast leaving the body, try

> putting an antifungal cream like Lotrimin on it.

>

> At my house, Culturelle worked to eliminate bad bacteria, not so

much

> yeast.

>

>

> > detox go on?? My daughter does take enzymes regularly. We were

> > doing all 3 Houston but switched recently to Enzymedica's. I

became

> > concerned that the papain and bromelain in the Houston products I

had

> > may have been causing some irritation along with the high

proteases.

>

>

> If you want to try HNI again, there are versions without

> papain/bromelain that you can try.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> THe culturelle could be addressing bacteria. I know per an OAT done

> about 2+ years ago she had the clostridia byproducts in her urine.

> For me sometimes it can be confusing what is yeast/bacteria. I

> suppose if the culturelle is addressing bacteria yeast could actually

> be increasing and causing the rash?

Possibly, but I don't think that is too common.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Well I decided to stop the culturelle because the rash just wasn't

going away and the itching was bad. Since stopping it has decreased

but is not gone completely. So I have no idea. The rash did seem to

respond to an over the counter antifungal cream. I decided to try that

one night and it seemed better the next morning. But it seems to come

back and she complains about itching, especially on her back every

night. Night seems worse than the daytime. Anyone know if

Enzymedica's enzymes are different than Houston's? Could there be some

type of ingredient that she is allergic to? She has taken their lacto

before without a problem. She is taking Vgest too. I first noticed

the rash when she was very, very sick with some sort of virus. She had

a massive white blood cell crash (down to a 3.6 or so) and it was that

day that I noticed she was covered in little bumps. Her white blood

cells have since come back up but I still notice the very little bumps

and then there are spots of larger, more itchy clusters. The larger

itchier clusters seem to come and go - kind of like they flare up at

times.

So strange... we do have an immunologist consult in July.

Jen K.

> >

> > THe culturelle could be addressing bacteria. I know per an OAT done

> > about 2+ years ago she had the clostridia byproducts in her urine.

> > For me sometimes it can be confusing what is yeast/bacteria. I

> > suppose if the culturelle is addressing bacteria yeast could

actually

> > be increasing and causing the rash?

>

>

> Possibly, but I don't think that is too common.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> Well I decided to stop the culturelle because the rash just wasn't

> going away and the itching was bad. Since stopping it has decreased

> but is not gone completely. So I have no idea. The rash did seem to

> respond to an over the counter antifungal cream.

Try giving biotin or GSE.

>>Anyone know if

> Enzymedica's enzymes are different than Houston's?

Depending on which specific enzymes, yes.

>>Could there be some

> type of ingredient that she is allergic to?

Check the ingredient label. As an example, some children do not

tolerate papain or bromelain.

Dana