Re: Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals test results... lead?????

[Guest guest]

Pam, I think you can conclude lead is a problem and sometimes the kids are just

not showing it for a year or so after chelation starts, takes awhile to start

coming out of body stores. But glad it's coming out.

What might explain the low mercury is that dmsa only takes out extracellular

mercury, Ala intercellular mercury and after more than a year of chelation he

most likely has cleared all of his extracellular mercury. Bet you would have

seen some mercury if you would have used Ala with the dmsa. Does that sound

logical?

Sorry you didn't get a put in the face of hubby report, maybe try one with both

the dmsa and the ala, but lead is good to show?

[ ] Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals test results...

lead?????

Hi there.

I just got my ASD son's DDI Urine Toxic metals results today (oral

DMSA). I was anticipating mercury, but got *lead*??? Lead was in

the yellow range (6.6 ug/g for those who understand!).

All tests over the past 2.5 years have not indicated lead was an

issue: 4 prior hair tests were all in the low, low green. 3 prior

DDI urine toxic metals tests (TD-DMSA)showed no lead or just the

slightest blip once in the green. Packed erythrocytes in 2004 showed

lead in normal range. Venous draw 7 months ago put lead <5 ug/dL.

I am confused. Mercury was nowhere to be seen on this DDI test which

isn't really that confusing. How do I know if this indicates lead

issues?

Ack. I just was hoping so badly for mercury so I could take this to

my husband!!! Now I'll just keep it to myself since I have nothing

much to say (unless you can help me).

This DDI test was random; using 25 mgs oral DMSA every 4 hours. My

son weighs about 50 lbs.

Any insight would be helpful.

Pam

[Guest guest]

The last DDI urine tox was actually Td-DMSA/oral ALA (20 mgs)but

showed no lead. I'm glad we are seeing SOMETHING coming out. I

wonder what Dr. Usman will say? Last time I spoke to her nurse she

told me Dr. Usman was starting to rethink lead as being more of an

issue than once thought (in all kids).

This lead conversation was when I was making the change from TD to

oral DMSA. She (nurse)wanted me to consider EDTA and told me DMSA

didn't chelate lead. Yah, right. I said 'no thanks' to EDTA.

Well, getting rid of lead certainly can lead to cognitive

improvements. Perhaps we'll see some good changes.

Thanks, .

Pam

>

> Pam, I think you can conclude lead is a problem and sometimes the

kids are just not showing it for a year or so after chelation starts,

takes awhile to start coming out of body stores. But glad it's coming

out.

>

> What might explain the low mercury is that dmsa only takes out

extracellular mercury, Ala intercellular mercury and after more than

a year of chelation he most likely has cleared all of his

extracellular mercury. Bet you would have seen some mercury if you

would have used Ala with the dmsa. Does that sound logical?

>

> Sorry you didn't get a put in the face of hubby report, maybe try

one with both the dmsa and the ala, but lead is good to show?

>

>

>

>

> [ ] Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals test

results... lead?????

>

>

> Hi there.

>

> I just got my ASD son's DDI Urine Toxic metals results today

(oral

> DMSA). I was anticipating mercury, but got *lead*??? Lead was in

> the yellow range (6.6 ug/g for those who understand!).

>

> All tests over the past 2.5 years have not indicated lead was an

> issue: 4 prior hair tests were all in the low, low green. 3 prior

> DDI urine toxic metals tests (TD-DMSA)showed no lead or just the

> slightest blip once in the green. Packed erythrocytes in 2004

showed

> lead in normal range. Venous draw 7 months ago put lead <5 ug/dL.

>

> I am confused. Mercury was nowhere to be seen on this DDI test

which

> isn't really that confusing. How do I know if this indicates lead

> issues?

>

> Ack. I just was hoping so badly for mercury so I could take this

to

> my husband!!! Now I'll just keep it to myself since I have

nothing

> much to say (unless you can help me).

>

> This DDI test was random; using 25 mgs oral DMSA every 4 hours.

My

> son weighs about 50 lbs.

>

> Any insight would be helpful.

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

We just reviewed my son's UTM test with our DAN! doc. He said that

we're all exposed to most of the things on the UTM test through water,

air, etc. So, if several of the metals are showing zero, it's NOT

good. We should be excreting these things, not holding them.

If that's the case, it sounds like lead was in your son, but wasn't

coming out before now. IOW, he's starting to get rid of lead that was

probably " stuck " (for lack of a better word).

HIH,

mom of Kaley 13-bio, Maya 11-India and 7.5-India

> >

> > Pam, I think you can conclude lead is a problem and sometimes the

> kids are just not showing it for a year or so after chelation starts,

> takes awhile to start coming out of body stores. But glad it's coming

> out.

> >

> > What might explain the low mercury is that dmsa only takes out

> extracellular mercury, Ala intercellular mercury and after more than

> a year of chelation he most likely has cleared all of his

> extracellular mercury. Bet you would have seen some mercury if you

> would have used Ala with the dmsa. Does that sound logical?

> >

> > Sorry you didn't get a put in the face of hubby report, maybe try

> one with both the dmsa and the ala, but lead is good to show?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [ ] Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals test

> results... lead?????

> >

> >

> > Hi there.

> >

> > I just got my ASD son's DDI Urine Toxic metals results today

> (oral

> > DMSA). I was anticipating mercury, but got *lead*??? Lead was in

> > the yellow range (6.6 ug/g for those who understand!).

> >

> > All tests over the past 2.5 years have not indicated lead was an

> > issue: 4 prior hair tests were all in the low, low green. 3 prior

> > DDI urine toxic metals tests (TD-DMSA)showed no lead or just the

> > slightest blip once in the green. Packed erythrocytes in 2004

> showed

> > lead in normal range. Venous draw 7 months ago put lead <5 ug/dL.

> >

> > I am confused. Mercury was nowhere to be seen on this DDI test

> which

> > isn't really that confusing. How do I know if this indicates lead

> > issues?

> >

> > Ack. I just was hoping so badly for mercury so I could take this

> to

> > my husband!!! Now I'll just keep it to myself since I have

> nothing

> > much to say (unless you can help me).

> >

> > This DDI test was random; using 25 mgs oral DMSA every 4 hours.

> My

> > son weighs about 50 lbs.

> >

> > Any insight would be helpful.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

In the past we have seen small amounts of most metals (arsenic,

antimony, thallium, cadmium are a few I recall) on the tests.

Sometimes 5 of them, sometimes less. All in the very low green until

this last lead in the yellow.

I've just been so complacent about lead for the past 3 years so this

lead reading threw me for a loop. I've relaxed in bit in the hours

after opening the envelope!

Pam,

> > >

> > > Pam, I think you can conclude lead is a problem and sometimes

the

> > kids are just not showing it for a year or so after chelation

starts,

> > takes awhile to start coming out of body stores. But glad it's

coming

> > out.

> > >

> > > What might explain the low mercury is that dmsa only takes out

> > extracellular mercury, Ala intercellular mercury and after more

than

> > a year of chelation he most likely has cleared all of his

> > extracellular mercury. Bet you would have seen some mercury if

you

> > would have used Ala with the dmsa. Does that sound logical?

> > >

> > > Sorry you didn't get a put in the face of hubby report, maybe

try

> > one with both the dmsa and the ala, but lead is good to show?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals

test

> > results... lead?????

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi there.

> > >

> > > I just got my ASD son's DDI Urine Toxic metals results today

> > (oral

> > > DMSA). I was anticipating mercury, but got *lead*??? Lead was

in

> > > the yellow range (6.6 ug/g for those who understand!).

> > >

> > > All tests over the past 2.5 years have not indicated lead was

an

> > > issue: 4 prior hair tests were all in the low, low green. 3

prior

> > > DDI urine toxic metals tests (TD-DMSA)showed no lead or just

the

> > > slightest blip once in the green. Packed erythrocytes in 2004

> > showed

> > > lead in normal range. Venous draw 7 months ago put lead <5

ug/dL.

> > >

> > > I am confused. Mercury was nowhere to be seen on this DDI

test

> > which

> > > isn't really that confusing. How do I know if this indicates

lead

> > > issues?

> > >

> > > Ack. I just was hoping so badly for mercury so I could take

this

> > to

> > > my husband!!! Now I'll just keep it to myself since I have

> > nothing

> > > much to say (unless you can help me).

> > >

> > > This DDI test was random; using 25 mgs oral DMSA every 4

hours.

> > My

> > > son weighs about 50 lbs.

> > >

> > > Any insight would be helpful.

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> How do I know if this indicates lead

> issues?

Pam,

In Andy's book he states that 95% of lead is stored in the bones. I

would think that the oral DMSA is mobilizing the lead in your son's

bones. I think most of us alive today have lead issues.

Unfortunately, much of the lead issues people like you and I have are

minimized by the fact that we've passed on a good chunk of our lead

burden to our children.

I know it's hard to be happy about seeing lead in tests. My son's

hair tests keep showing higher and higher lead. I'm glad it's coming

out of him with chelation but that doesn't take away the gutwrenching

shock every time I look at those tests.

Our UTMs (always taken using both ALA and DMSA) have shown both high

lead and fairly high mercury pulls, but never at the same time. I'm

not sure if that means anything. I know that you know UTM's are just

a snapshot. But IMO, if a snapshot shows lead at that level, knowing

how lead works in the body, it means there's more lead to come out.

I know that you're seeing some pretty great things with chelation. I

don't doubt for a moment that mercury is coming out. Now you know

that some other vile stuff is too.

Anita

[Guest guest]

We got a strong lead pull about two and a half years into chelating. Lead seems

to precede mercury for a lot of folks, so take heart.

Barb

[ ] Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals test results...

lead?????

Hi there.

I just got my ASD son's DDI Urine Toxic metals results today (oral

DMSA). I was anticipating mercury, but got *lead*??? Lead was in

the yellow range (6.6 ug/g for those who understand!).

All tests over the past 2.5 years have not indicated lead was an

issue: 4 prior hair tests were all in the low, low green. 3 prior

DDI urine toxic metals tests (TD-DMSA)showed no lead or just the

slightest blip once in the green. Packed erythrocytes in 2004 showed

lead in normal range. Venous draw 7 months ago put lead <5 ug/dL.

I am confused. Mercury was nowhere to be seen on this DDI test which

isn't really that confusing. How do I know if this indicates lead

issues?

Ack. I just was hoping so badly for mercury so I could take this to

my husband!!! Now I'll just keep it to myself since I have nothing

much to say (unless you can help me).

This DDI test was random; using 25 mgs oral DMSA every 4 hours. My

son weighs about 50 lbs.

Any insight would be helpful.

Pam

[Guest guest]

What amazes me most is the thought of chelating for over two years

and still pulling large amounts of metals. When does it stop? Or

maybe the better question is when does it start?

Oh, hell, I don't care if he dumps solid steel as long as he gets

better.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and encouragement. This is one

of the times where, despite being here for a few years, I feel like

a 'newbie'.

Should I be concerned about current lead exposure? I can't think of

anything in our environment that hasn't been there for several years

already.

Pam

>

> We got a strong lead pull about two and a half years into

chelating. Lead seems to precede mercury for a lot of folks, so take

heart.

>

> Barb

> [ ] Surprising DDI Urine Toxic Metals test

results... lead?????

>

>

> Hi there.

>

> I just got my ASD son's DDI Urine Toxic metals results today

(oral

> DMSA). I was anticipating mercury, but got *lead*??? Lead was in

> the yellow range (6.6 ug/g for those who understand!).

>

> All tests over the past 2.5 years have not indicated lead was an

> issue: 4 prior hair tests were all in the low, low green. 3 prior

> DDI urine toxic metals tests (TD-DMSA)showed no lead or just the

> slightest blip once in the green. Packed erythrocytes in 2004

showed

> lead in normal range. Venous draw 7 months ago put lead <5 ug/dL.

>

> I am confused. Mercury was nowhere to be seen on this DDI test

which

> isn't really that confusing. How do I know if this indicates lead

> issues?

>

> Ack. I just was hoping so badly for mercury so I could take this

to

> my husband!!! Now I'll just keep it to myself since I have

nothing

> much to say (unless you can help me).

>

> This DDI test was random; using 25 mgs oral DMSA every 4 hours.

My

> son weighs about 50 lbs.

>

> Any insight would be helpful.

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

As others have said, lead takes a long time to pull. It hides in the bones (and

teeth?). If he's got current exposure it would show in the blood test. You

said that was done a while ago and showed lead " in the acceptable range " . IMO

there is NO acceptable range for lead, it doesn't belong in the human body.

S S

<p>What amazes me most is the thought of chelating for over two

years <br>

and still pulling large amounts of metals. When does it stop? Or <br>

maybe the better question is when does it start?<br>

<br>

Oh, hell, I don't care if he dumps solid steel as long as he gets <br>

better. <br>

<br>

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and encouragement. This is one <br>

of the times where, despite being here for a few years, I feel like <br>

a 'newbie'.<br>

<br>

Should I be concerned about current lead exposure? I can't think of <br>

anything in our environment that hasn't been there for several years <br>

already.<br>

<br>

Pam<br>

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