Re: Klebsiella/Septra ~ any natural way to keep gut bacteria down?

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

My son has candida repeatedly. I treat it succesfylly , but in a few months I

have to start again. I read somewhere, that as long as the child has a heavy

metal toxicity, gutproblems keep coming back. So I did a hairtest at Doctor's

Data. You need someone to help you explaining the test, 'cause the test only

shows recent exposure to mercury. Andy Cutler wrote more about it, maybe it's a

good idea when you read some more on internet about this subject..

Nicoline

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> As my 9yo son hopscotches down the line of new bacteria's - Klebsiella, a

normal bacteria of the gut, seems to be way out of line. From what I

understand, this may happen when Clostridia gets treated. For our boy, this

fits.

>

> After battling yeast, for years, losing many battles but winning the war on it

lately, bad bacteria's have come to take its place.

>

> Regardless of how many pro-biotics I give our little guy - the bad bacteria

seems to stay put. At first it was Clostridia, which after many months of first,

Vancomycin, then OLE, we seem to have that under control. NOW it is Klebsiella

that has taken over. Doc prescribed Septra to address it. Despite our dislike

of antibiotics, we did the septra because the child's behavior and diarrhea got

so bad so fast. The septra helped, tremendously. Now he is off of it and we

are all to aware that it will probably come right back or some other bad

bacteria will.

>

> ANY suggestions as what to do supplementation wise? How do we finally get the

gut balanced enought to keep these bad guys in check?

>

> THANKS!

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nicoline.

Oh yeah, my boy is heavy metal poisoned. We have been on a DAN! protocol for

chelating for six years now. He has chelated transdermally, orally and IV with

DMPS, EDTA. Pulls always show one or more of the metals in the dangerous

ranges.

Yeast issues have been with him since he was 16 months old. The bad bacterias

have only been around for the last two years.

Our kiddo has been SCD for four years and now is GF/CF. Among a plethora of

treatments, supplements and therapies, we have done hard chamber 100% oxygen for

80 dives, secretin, 40 hours of ABA since he was 2years old. While he has

improved tremendously, he still has a long way to go.

The bacteria's are our biggest issue these days which I am sure are due to the

metals that are still trapped in his body.

> >

> >

> > As my 9yo son hopscotches down the line of new bacteria's - Klebsiella, a

normal bacteria of the gut, seems to be way out of line. From what I

understand, this may happen when Clostridia gets treated. For our boy, this

fits.

> >

> > After battling yeast, for years, losing many battles but winning the war on

it lately, bad bacteria's have come to take its place.

> >

> > Regardless of how many pro-biotics I give our little guy - the bad bacteria

seems to stay put. At first it was Clostridia, which after many months of first,

Vancomycin, then OLE, we seem to have that under control. NOW it is Klebsiella

that has taken over. Doc prescribed Septra to address it. Despite our dislike

of antibiotics, we did the septra because the child's behavior and diarrhea got

so bad so fast. The septra helped, tremendously. Now he is off of it and we

are all to aware that it will probably come right back or some other bad

bacteria will.

> >

> > ANY suggestions as what to do supplementation wise? How do we finally get

the gut balanced enought to keep these bad guys in check?

> >

> > THANKS!

> > Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

Did you hear about the chealtion protocol of Andy Cutler? I am reading his books

now, and am considering of using his method: a low dose of DMSA and ALA. The

last mentioned is the only one able to get the mercury out of the brain. There's

a lot of information about it on internet.

Nicoline

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From: kimdabney <kimdabney@...>

Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:50:54 PM

Subject: Re: Klebsiella/Septra ~ any natural way to keep gut bacteria

down?

Thanks Nicoline.

Oh yeah, my boy is heavy metal poisoned. We have been on a DAN! protocol for

chelating for six years now. He has chelated transdermally, orally and IV with

DMPS, EDTA. Pulls always show one or more of the metals in the dangerous ranges.

Yeast issues have been with him since he was 16 months old. The bad bacterias

have only been around for the last two years.

Our kiddo has been SCD for four years and now is GF/CF. Among a plethora of

treatments, supplements and therapies, we have done hard chamber 100% oxygen for

80 dives, secretin, 40 hours of ABA since he was 2years old. While he has

improved tremendously, he still has a long way to go.

The bacteria's are our biggest issue these days which I am sure are due to the

metals that are still trapped in his body.

> >

> >

> > As my 9yo son hopscotches down the line of new bacteria's - Klebsiella, a

normal bacteria of the gut, seems to be way out of line. From what I understand,

this may happen when Clostridia gets treated. For our boy, this fits.

> >

> > After battling yeast, for years, losing many battles but winning the war on

it lately, bad bacteria's have come to take its place.

> >

> > Regardless of how many pro-biotics I give our little guy - the bad bacteria

seems to stay put. At first it was Clostridia, which after many months of first,

Vancomycin, then OLE, we seem to have that under control. NOW it is Klebsiella

that has taken over. Doc prescribed Septra to address it. Despite our dislike of

antibiotics, we did the septra because the child's behavior and diarrhea got so

bad so fast. The septra helped, tremendously. Now he is off of it and we are all

to aware that it will probably come right back or some other bad bacteria will.

> >

> > ANY suggestions as what to do supplementation wise? How do we finally get

the gut balanced enought to keep these bad guys in check?

> >

> > THANKS!

> > Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, ALA is great stuff. We tried it for a small while but it caused a lot

of other issues for him.

I love to read, like you mentioned, everything that great minds are doing to

help lighten these kiddos toxic loads.

Unfortunately, I am not finding much out there about our current issue of

eliminating this nasty Kleb.

I think you will find some success with the DMSA and ALA. We did!

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I'm curious as to know how the metals get inside our children? I'm new to this

site. Thank you.

Alana

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> Thanks Nicoline.

>

> Oh yeah, my boy is heavy metal poisoned. We have been on a DAN! protocol for

chelating for six years now. He has chelated transdermally, orally and IV with

DMPS, EDTA. Pulls always show one or more of the metals in the dangerous

ranges.

>

>

[Guest guest]

We use a combination of Oil of Oregano and Olive Leaf Extract with

supporting vitamins and enzymes.

Klebsiella/Septra ~ any natural way to keep gut bacteria

down?

As my 9yo son hopscotches down the line of new bacteria’s - Klebsiella, a

normal bacteria of the gut, seems to be way out of line. From what I

understand, this may happen when Clostridia gets treated. For our boy, this

fits.

After battling yeast, for years, losing many battles but winning the war on

it lately, bad bacteria's have come to take its place.

Regardless of how many pro-biotics I give our little guy - the bad bacteria

seems to stay put. At first it was Clostridia, which after many months of

first, Vancomycin, then OLE, we seem to have that under control. NOW it is

Klebsiella that has taken over. Doc prescribed Septra to address it.

Despite our dislike of antibiotics, we did the septra because the child's

behavior and diarrhea got so bad so fast. The septra helped, tremendously.

Now he is off of it and we are all to aware that it will probably come right

back or some other bad bacteria will.

ANY suggestions as what to do supplementation wise? How do we finally get

the gut balanced enought to keep these bad guys in check?

THANKS!

Kim

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[Guest guest]

I have a 4-year-old son with a nearly identical situation. Except, his

klebsiella is better but has been replaced with a different bacteria... But I

know how you are feeling!

I never had a doctor who wanted to treat with antibiotics. We just were hoping

that consistent enzyme use would help the overall digestion. However -- I must

say that I identify with giving the child a ton of probiotics, but in our case

he is also lacking one of the main beneficial strains of bacteria.

He will not take supplements with strong tastes like OOO or OLE -- I'll need to

wait until he can swallow caps or I'd be doing these already! Any

suggestions for these kids? Everything I give him needs to be in liquid or

powder form...

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> We use a combination of Oil of Oregano and Olive Leaf Extract with

> supporting vitamins and enzymes.

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> Klebsiella/Septra ~ any natural way to keep gut bacteria

> down?

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>

>

> As my 9yo son hopscotches down the line of new bacteria's - Klebsiella, a

> normal bacteria of the gut, seems to be way out of line. From what I

> understand, this may happen when Clostridia gets treated. For our boy, this

> fits.

>

> After battling yeast, for years, losing many battles but winning the war on

> it lately, bad bacteria's have come to take its place.

>

> Regardless of how many pro-biotics I give our little guy - the bad bacteria

> seems to stay put. At first it was Clostridia, which after many months of

> first, Vancomycin, then OLE, we seem to have that under control. NOW it is

> Klebsiella that has taken over. Doc prescribed Septra to address it.

> Despite our dislike of antibiotics, we did the septra because the child's

> behavior and diarrhea got so bad so fast. The septra helped, tremendously.

> Now he is off of it and we are all to aware that it will probably come right

> back or some other bad bacteria will.

>

> ANY suggestions as what to do supplementation wise? How do we finally get

> the gut balanced enought to keep these bad guys in check?

>

> THANKS!

> Kim

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[Guest guest]

I am doing both but perhaps not enough. I will up the OoO and the OLE and

see if that gets it.

THANKS!

Kim

[Guest guest]

> I'm curious as to know how the metals get inside our children?

Depending on which metals you are talking about, vaccinations, dental amalgams,

paint, pajamas, dirt, lots of ways. Here is one page of info

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana