Re: dark circles under eyes and houston enzymes

[Guest guest]

my oopinion

whenever a child regresses upon increase of supplements this means

lower the dose ; the child's system is telling you somtehting

I would be extremely careful with High dose Vitamin A; too mauch

Vitamin A can CAUSE problems; I'D GO NATURAL WITH THE COD LIVER OIL

I would seriously reduce the Vitmin A; this could cause dark circles;

VITAMIN C CAN HELP DARK CIRLCES; LIGHTENS THE SKIN NATURALLY; A.

>

> Hi all,

> My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and Zyme

Prime

> for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses

every

> meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal of

all

> three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between meals.

> Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles under

> his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is it

> possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch brands?

>

> We did the high-dose Vit A protocol last Wednesday and Thursday,

which

> kicked up yeast through this weekend, but the horrible circles

started

> Wed morning before the new protocol.

>

> No new foods I can think of....

>

> His stools have always been hit/miss, even on SCD. Usually firm at

> first, then mushy or diarrhea.

>

> His language seems to have improved a bit recently. He's saying, " I

> want mom come this here " and then " mom, come here " and 'help me!'

> when he was pretty much non-verbal months ago.

>

> Any thoughts? Please share as I don't want to dismiss his sudden

> onset of dark circles as something that will pass....

>

> Thank you!!

> Anissa

>

[Guest guest]

Hi A,

The reason I'm confused is that behaviorally, he's not regressing.

He's doing great! But why the dark circles? Could he be allergic to

this brand of enzymes? Maybe I should switch to Enzymatica products?

Anyhow, please share your concerns with high-dose Vit A. It was given

to me by his DAN and it was used only for 2 days. He takes CLO and

2000mg Vit C on a daily basis otherwise.

Thanks,

Anissa

> >

> > Hi all,

> > My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and Zyme

> Prime

> > for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses

> every

> > meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal of

> all

> > three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between meals.

> > Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles under

> > his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is it

> > possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch brands?

> >

> > We did the high-dose Vit A protocol last Wednesday and Thursday,

> which

> > kicked up yeast through this weekend, but the horrible circles

> started

> > Wed morning before the new protocol.

> >

> > No new foods I can think of....

> >

> > His stools have always been hit/miss, even on SCD. Usually firm at

> > first, then mushy or diarrhea.

> >

> > His language seems to have improved a bit recently. He's saying, " I

> > want mom come this here " and then " mom, come here " and 'help me!'

> > when he was pretty much non-verbal months ago.

> >

> > Any thoughts? Please share as I don't want to dismiss his sudden

> > onset of dark circles as something that will pass....

> >

> > Thank you!!

> > Anissa

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if it's not the enzymes at all but a food intolerance? Or

yeast die off? There are so many reasons for dark circles it's hard to

know what the cause is. Could even be parasites. Ruby's come and go

and I think it's food related.

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and Zyme

> > Prime

> > > for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses

> > every

> > > meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal of

> > all

> > > three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between meals.

> > > Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles under

> > > his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is it

> > > possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch brands?

> > >

> > > We did the high-dose Vit A protocol last Wednesday and Thursday,

> > which

> > > kicked up yeast through this weekend, but the horrible circles

> > started

> > > Wed morning before the new protocol.

> > >

> > > No new foods I can think of....

> > >

> > > His stools have always been hit/miss, even on SCD. Usually firm at

> > > first, then mushy or diarrhea.

> > >

> > > His language seems to have improved a bit recently. He's saying, " I

> > > want mom come this here " and then " mom, come here " and 'help me!'

> > > when he was pretty much non-verbal months ago.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts? Please share as I don't want to dismiss his sudden

> > > onset of dark circles as something that will pass....

> > >

> > > Thank you!!

> > > Anissa

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and Zyme Prime

> for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses every

> meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal of all

> three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between meals.

> Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles under

> his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is it

> possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch brands?

Or he just does not need the higher doses.

Is the Zyme Prime the version without papain/bromelain?

Dark circles are commonly caused by food issues. Phenol issues are

the most common, and No-Fenol did not address all phenol foods for my son

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

I am starting to think the circles are from a food sensitivity. I was

hoping to increase the variety of foods with increased enzyme use, but

looks like I'll have to figure out the offending food and remove it first!

My son is using AFP-Peptizyde which does not have bromelain/papain.

I'm not aware that Zyme Prime comes in a similar formulation. Please

let me know if it does.

Thanks again for your help. I have such high hopes for enzyme use and

I don't want to be discouraged when I don't understand what the heck

is going on! I'm grateful for this group!

~Anissa

> > My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and Zyme Prime

> > for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses every

> > meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal of all

> > three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between meals.

> > Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles under

> > his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is it

> > possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch brands?

>

>

> Or he just does not need the higher doses.

>

> Is the Zyme Prime the version without papain/bromelain?

>

> Dark circles are commonly caused by food issues. Phenol issues are

> the most common, and No-Fenol did not address all phenol foods for

my son

>

> http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Dana,

You mentioned that No-Phenol did not address all phenol issues for

your son. Are you using another product instead? Is that working?

My son is GF,CF,SF free for about seven months and continues to have

dark circles under his eyes. (Not to mention we have seen vary

little change in behavior since being the diet.) We are beginning to

think it is a phenol issue, so we just started him on No-Phenol.

In case this does not work for him, I will be looking for

alternatives besides completely removing all phenols from his diet

too. (We already rotate.) With regards to Zyme Prime, you

mentioned the version without papain/bromelain. Is this better?

Thank you,

Lana

> > My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and Zyme

Prime

> > for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses

every

> > meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal

of all

> > three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between

meals.

> > Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles

under

> > his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is it

> > possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch

brands?

>

>

> Or he just does not need the higher doses.

>

> Is the Zyme Prime the version without papain/bromelain?

>

> Dark circles are commonly caused by food issues. Phenol issues are

> the most common, and No-Fenol did not address all phenol foods for

my son

>

> http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> My son is using AFP-Peptizyde which does not have bromelain/papain.

> I'm not aware that Zyme Prime comes in a similar formulation. Please

> let me know if it does.

The SCD version of Zyme Prime does not contain papain/bromelain.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> You mentioned that No-Phenol did not address all phenol issues for

> your son. Are you using another product instead? Is that working?

No-Fenol addressed " natural " phenol issues. For artificials and corn

syrup, I needed to use molybdenum and selenium. For lutein/carotene

conversion [which is another issue with most foods that are high

phenol], I had to do ALA chelation and add vitamin C, zinc, and selenium.

Try adding selenium first.

>>With regards to Zyme Prime, you

> mentioned the version without papain/bromelain. Is this better?

Some kids have problems with papain/bromelain, so try using the

version of Zyme Prime that does not contain those ingredients.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to jump in quick. My dd had circles under her eyes for a

very long time. We addressed phenols, intolerances, etc and threelac

did temporarily make them disappear. On her 7 year check up she was

found to be slightly anemic. When we added iron the dark circles

cleared up.

> > > My son has been taking Houston AFP-Peptizyde, No-Fenol, and

Zyme

> Prime

> > > for about 6 months now, but I've given them to him in 1/3 doses

> every

> > > meal until recently. I've increased the dose to 1 cap per meal

> of all

> > > three, and am working up to 2 caps of AFP-peptizyde between

> meals.

> > > Since last Wednesday morning, he has had HORRIBLE dark circles

> under

> > > his eyes. He's always had some, but he looks really SICK! Is

it

> > > possible he is sensitive to the enzymes and I should switch

> brands?

> >

> >

> > Or he just does not need the higher doses.

> >

> > Is the Zyme Prime the version without papain/bromelain?

> >

> > Dark circles are commonly caused by food issues. Phenol issues

are

> > the most common, and No-Fenol did not address all phenol foods

for

> my son

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

> >

> > Dana

> >

>