Re: Grapeseed Extract Reaction

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Hi! I cant tell you much info on the grapeseed(there are those on

this board that can), but can tell you that any intestinal change,

wether good or bad well cause spectrum/sensory affects. The good side

affects is temporary! Calcium is a stimulant mineral, maybe add some

magnesium, it is the opposite(a calming mineral). One depletes the

other and need to be balanced! Also this time of year is high viral

season. We have seen a direct connection with virus's and these type

of behaiviours with our son. In all my groups, the winter season is a

busy season for issues I believe due to so many viruses floating

around. Jennie<><

>

> Hello,

> Does anyone have experience with grapeseed extract (the anti-

oxidant, not grapefruit seed

> extract)? My son is having a negative reaction to something, and I

think it's the grapeseed

> extract that I started a couple of days ago.

>

> He's in a fog, hyper, silly, weepy, fussy, and irritable. I also

started CoQ10 a few days before

> the grapeseed, but these really negative side behaviors started

after that. The only other

> thing I did was try to give him calcium phosphate between meals a

few days ago, which

> affected his sleep and make him spacey.

>

> It really seems like the grapeseed, but I can't find anything on

adverse reactions to it. Could

> it cause die-off of some kind, or some other problem?

>

> Thanks,

>

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> He's in a fog, hyper, silly, weepy, fussy, and irritable.

Grape seed extract is high phenol, and can tend to increase yeast.

Both phenol issues and yeast issues can have the symptoms you indicate

above

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>>I also started CoQ10 a few days before

> the grapeseed, but these really negative side behaviors started

after that.

Do you give the CoQ10 with fat?

>> The only other

> thing I did was try to give him calcium phosphate between meals a

few days ago, which

> affected his sleep and make him spacey.

Calcium did that to my son also, because he was calcium toxic.

Does this supplement contain magnesium?

Dana

[Guest guest]

I am on the Feingold group, and grape seed is high in phenols, which

can provoke that type of reaction. I give my son No-Fenol enzymes

with any high phenol foods

>

> Hello,

> Does anyone have experience with grapeseed extract (the

anti-oxidant, not grapefruit seed

> extract)? My son is having a negative reaction to something, and I

think it's the grapeseed

> extract that I started a couple of days ago.

>

> He's in a fog, hyper, silly, weepy, fussy, and irritable. I also

started CoQ10 a few days before

> the grapeseed, but these really negative side behaviors started

after that. The only other

> thing I did was try to give him calcium phosphate between meals a

few days ago, which

> affected his sleep and make him spacey.

>

> It really seems like the grapeseed, but I can't find anything on

adverse reactions to it. Could

> it cause die-off of some kind, or some other problem?

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all of your replies. Here's an update: this morning my son woke up

fine again. So

I gave him some more grapeseed extract to see how he'd do, and he's been fine

all day—

pretty clear and not hyper or upset like yesterday. I'm beginning to suspect it

was what

Jennie said—maybe his immune system was fighting off a virus. Who knows. I

could tell it

wasn't a phenol reaction because he didn't have the typical red cheeks and ears

(plus he's

got NAET recently, so he's not reacting to phenols anymore).

I'm curious about some of the things you mentioned, Dana. What kind of fat do

you give

CoQ10 with? Just ordinary dietary fats?

Also, should I be giving magnesium when I supplement calcium? He gets calcium

with every

meal to absorb oxalates, but I'd like to supplement it outside of meals because

his RBC

showed he's low. I give some mag with his B6 in the morning, but maybe I should

give more

with the between-meal calcium (if I get brave enough to try it again).

Thanks for your help!

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I give my son the co-q-10 when I give him CLO or EFA's.

klt9751 <klt9751@...> wrote: Thanks for all of your replies.

Here's an update: this morning my son woke up fine again. So

I gave him some more grapeseed extract to see how he'd do, and he's been fine

all day—

pretty clear and not hyper or upset like yesterday. I'm beginning to suspect it

was what

Jennie said—maybe his immune system was fighting off a virus. Who knows. I could

tell it

wasn't a phenol reaction because he didn't have the typical red cheeks and ears

(plus he's

got NAET recently, so he's not reacting to phenols anymore).

I'm curious about some of the things you mentioned, Dana. What kind of fat do

you give

CoQ10 with? Just ordinary dietary fats?

Also, should I be giving magnesium when I supplement calcium? He gets calcium

with every

meal to absorb oxalates, but I'd like to supplement it outside of meals because

his RBC

showed he's low. I give some mag with his B6 in the morning, but maybe I should

give more

with the between-meal calcium (if I get brave enough to try it again).

Thanks for your help!

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Thanks for the advice. My son doesn't get any of those, or any other oil

supplements right

now, but there's talk of starting some kind of EFA soon. I'll be sure to give

the CoQ10 at

the same time.

Thanks for all of your replies. Here's

an update: this

morning my son woke up fine again. So

> I gave him some more grapeseed extract to see how he'd do, and he's been fine

all day

—

> pretty clear and not hyper or upset like yesterday. I'm beginning to suspect

it was what

> Jennie said—maybe his immune system was fighting off a virus. Who knows. I

could tell

it

> wasn't a phenol reaction because he didn't have the typical red cheeks and

ears (plus

he's

> got NAET recently, so he's not reacting to phenols anymore).

>

> I'm curious about some of the things you mentioned, Dana. What kind of fat do

you give

> CoQ10 with? Just ordinary dietary fats?

>

> Also, should I be giving magnesium when I supplement calcium? He gets calcium

with

every

> meal to absorb oxalates, but I'd like to supplement it outside of meals

because his RBC

> showed he's low. I give some mag with his B6 in the morning, but maybe I

should give

more

> with the between-meal calcium (if I get brave enough to try it again).

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Kit, all forms of grapefruit seed, extract, tincture, the seed

itself (whole, mashed, sliced, pulverized....), anti-oxidant

are highly allergenic if you happen to be an allery prone

individual - I never had a patient allergic only to grapefruit seed.

CoQ10 hypersensitivity is rare. Both can provoke the symptoms

you describe. I would avoid ALL citrus scrupulously for a month, and

then slowly reintroduce, starting with tangerine juice (get all the

white strings out), and see what he tolerates. No more grapefruit

seed anything IMO. Of course, you ought to eliminate the CoQ for 4

days then try it again.

Anyone testing for food allergies the most reliable way (challenge)

needs to find the lenghth of time it takes food to move all the way

from chewing and swallowing to totally gone from the body - usually

3-4 day, but sometimes very much slower. Eat a bowl of blueberries and

watch for the black or dark stools, and see how long it takes for the

color to be gone. Do this two or three times a year just to be certain.

von Hilsheimer, Ph.D.

author, Allergy, Toxins, and the LD Child.

Grapeseed Extract Reaction

Hello,

Does anyone have experience with grapeseed extract (the anti-oxidant, not

grapefruit seed

extract)? My son is having a negative reaction to something, and I think

it's the grapeseed

extract that I started a couple of days ago.

He's in a fog, hyper, silly, weepy, fussy, and irritable. I also started

CoQ10 a few days before

the grapeseed, but these really negative side behaviors started after that.

The only other

thing I did was try to give him calcium phosphate between meals a few days

ago, which

affected his sleep and make him spacey.

It really seems like the grapeseed, but I can't find anything on adverse

reactions to it. Could

it cause die-off of some kind, or some other problem?

Thanks,

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> I'm curious about some of the things you mentioned, Dana. What kind

of fat do you give

> CoQ10 with? Just ordinary dietary fats?

You can. I give it with fish oil or peanut butter.

> Also, should I be giving magnesium when I supplement calcium?

Usually. The body needs magnesium [and a few other things] for proper

absorption of calcium.

Dana

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Thanks for all of your help on this! I really appreciate it.