Re: nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share with other Mom's

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I would love to know about the DIR/Floortime approach. Please tell me where I

can get it and how much it is. Thanks,

nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share with other

Mom's

I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be. We

havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer clear.

I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents can

do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on supplements

and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my son. It

is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time. Great

eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE before.He

is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the play

toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I am not

a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It seems

many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help there

children and this really is a successful approach and great add on to

any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any questions

where to get info please just ask.

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I would be glad to. I first went to the websight ( which can seem confusing )

and read everything. It's www.floortime.org There is alot of info on there but

you really have to click on just about everything. I then went to our book store

and got " Engaging Autism " by Stanley Greenspan. It is a big book but dont get

discouraged. I found that after getting some info, I could start slow with my

son. I was glad I started slow because it gave me a chance to get used to being

on the floor and really playing and engaging with him. Even if you dont do it

exactly right, there are huge benefits. I did get frustrated a few times,

because like most Mom's, I wanted to get all the info and understand it

YESTERDAY lol...The only cost to you is educating yourself by reading some books

and you can also get dvd's but thats not neccesary. The book is at the library I

think. Early intervention came back to our house yesterday and the therapist (

who hasn't started one on

one yet ) commented on how well he was doing from there last visit, assesment.

She wanted info on the DIR/loortime also so she could use it with other kids. If

you want to e-mail me at lil-beli@... with your childs age and

developement level I could probably help you figure out somethings to srat with.

The full program states to do it for 20 minutes 8 to 10 times a day, but thats

not necessary either. I do it when my son seems in a playfull mood and use some

of the strategies in our everyday life. I have learned so much about his need

to climb certain developemental ladders and what they are. We expect our child

to do things or want our child to do things ( talk, etc) in a meaningful way but

usually they havn't mastered the steps leading up to that. I love that the goal

is to have your child feel comfortable communicating. Stanley Greenspan has the

best attitude in that, no matter what age, a person with autism never stops

having the capaity to

learn and grow. It doesnt matter what age or level. Can you tell I am so

excited about this program? Sorry this is so long, but hope it's helpful : )

nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share with other

Mom's

I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be. We

havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer clear.

I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents can

do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on supplements

and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my son. It

is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time. Great

eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE before.He

is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the play

toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I am not

a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It seems

many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help there

children and this really is a successful approach and great add on to

any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any questions

where to get info please just ask.

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I belong to this group...

Floortime/

>

> I would love to know about the DIR/Floortime approach. Please tell

me where I can get it and how much it is. Thanks,

>

>

>

> nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share

with other Mom's

>

> I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be.

We

> havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer

clear.

> I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents

can

> do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on

supplements

> and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

> started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my son.

It

> is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time.

Great

> eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE

before.He

> is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the

play

> toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I am

not

> a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It

seems

> many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help

there

> children and this really is a successful approach and great add on

to

> any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any

questions

> where to get info please just ask.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks I am going to join : )

nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share

with other Mom's

>

> I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be.

We

> havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer

clear.

> I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents

can

> do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on

supplements

> and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

> started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my son.

It

> is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time.

Great

> eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE

before.He

> is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the

play

> toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I am

not

> a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It

seems

> many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help

there

> children and this really is a successful approach and great add on

to

> any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any

questions

> where to get info please just ask.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I thought I needed to comment about the two mentioned approaches.

We have used both for different reasons.

My oldest son (severe autism) started early intervention at 13

months because he was not sitting up by himself. We did not know

about the autism because of his delayed developement globally until

he was 3. I also read/watched all the DIR/Floortime videos and

found that all the therapists in early intervention were all on the

floor trying to engage my son very early on and seemed to be

using " Floortime " although they were not even aware they were. I

modeled their techniques at home and found that when I finally read

about floortime it was similar with only a few slight differences

(better expansion and not so prepared work). This technique was

really good at getting my son to engage well although his eye

contact was not improved to his current point(he now engages,

watches, observes, and waits for your reinforcement or response)

without the ABA. Floortime only got him to engage and give the

initial eye contact. It also did not give him any imitation skills

that got him to a functional level. I also found that with using

floortime I had to repeat steps about 500 times before my son

would " get " something. ABA has finally given him imitation skills,

the repetition he needs to be able to learn and he is coming forward

dramatically fast. He also needed a very structured and non

distractive setting to learn. I am amazed at how fast he can learn

using the ABA. He will probably not ever talk articulately, but he

is moving forward way faster than floortime and we were doing

floortime about the same amount of time (25-30hours per week). I

think that the different techniques depend on your child, his level

of functioning, and his way of learning. I only wish that we had

started the ABA with him much earlier.

Our daughter also has autistic tendancies(22 months) and I found her

behavior getting in the way even at 12 months(she would shake her

head no whenever I tried to play any fun interactive game with her

to get her to vocalize. Her babble stopped at 10 months and was

limited to only 2 sounds at that time). We started ABA with her in

July and once we got through the behavior(3 weeks), she made a huge

turnaround. It was then only uphill to the point now that she is

putting 2 words together with only our model. I feel that we

probably do more of a naturalistic ABA/Floortime with her since I

setup the tasks for her more naturally than sitting in a chair like

our older son. The only difference between what we do with her and

floortime is the way we ask her once she is engaged(it is more

routine at first and then becomes more generalized) and we use a lot

more prompts than floortime to keep her responses at an 80% level.

We have only been doing about 15 hours a weeks with her and it is

not always 1 on 1. I think both have good approaches depending on

your child and their needs. Thought I would add my opinion. Hope

this helps someone. Good luck.

-annie

>

> I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be.

We

> havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer

clear.

> I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents

can

> do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on

supplements

> and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

> started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my

son. It

> is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time.

Great

> eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE

before.He

> is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the

play

> toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I

am not

> a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It

seems

> many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help

there

> children and this really is a successful approach and great add on

to

> any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any

questions

> where to get info please just ask.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing. I do respect you opinion and do believe all children are

different. But I do feel that Floortime is slower because the outcome is better.

I do feel using ABA also as an add on is very good and didn't mean to knock it

completely. I feel ABA teaches skills which looks great and excites parents

because there child is doing the things " normal children " do.. But it does

lack bringing the child up through all the developement levels so they do the

skills purposefully and not because it is expected. I dont want my child to be

taught to say " Hi how are you? " when someone comes to the door for example,

and never spontaniously do it because he wants to and feels it. So basically I

am just saying ABA does teach the skills faster but Floortime teaches the child

to understand and do it because they want to. I dont want a robot for a son. I

have spoken to many parents that have had ABA therapy done with there children

and felt that not until

they incoorperated floortime did they see that spark in there childs eye. I

think probably both therapies used together would be great and the ABA

therapists here do not do floortime at all. I also dont feel food should be used

as a motivator. Life does not throw gifts/prizes at you every time you do good

things. Thanks for your opinion and I appreciate all sides and respect your

views.

Re: nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share with other

Mom's

I thought I needed to comment about the two mentioned approaches.

We have used both for different reasons.

My oldest son (severe autism) started early intervention at 13

months because he was not sitting up by himself. We did not know

about the autism because of his delayed developement globally until

he was 3. I also read/watched all the DIR/Floortime videos and

found that all the therapists in early intervention were all on the

floor trying to engage my son very early on and seemed to be

using " Floortime " although they were not even aware they were. I

modeled their techniques at home and found that when I finally read

about floortime it was similar with only a few slight differences

(better expansion and not so prepared work). This technique was

really good at getting my son to engage well although his eye

contact was not improved to his current point(he now engages,

watches, observes, and waits for your reinforcement or response)

without the ABA. Floortime only got him to engage and give the

initial eye contact. It also did not give him any imitation skills

that got him to a functional level. I also found that with using

floortime I had to repeat steps about 500 times before my son

would " get " something. ABA has finally given him imitation skills,

the repetition he needs to be able to learn and he is coming forward

dramatically fast. He also needed a very structured and non

distractive setting to learn. I am amazed at how fast he can learn

using the ABA. He will probably not ever talk articulately, but he

is moving forward way faster than floortime and we were doing

floortime about the same amount of time (25-30hours per week). I

think that the different techniques depend on your child, his level

of functioning, and his way of learning. I only wish that we had

started the ABA with him much earlier.

Our daughter also has autistic tendancies(22 months) and I found her

behavior getting in the way even at 12 months(she would shake her

head no whenever I tried to play any fun interactive game with her

to get her to vocalize. Her babble stopped at 10 months and was

limited to only 2 sounds at that time). We started ABA with her in

July and once we got through the behavior(3 weeks), she made a huge

turnaround. It was then only uphill to the point now that she is

putting 2 words together with only our model. I feel that we

probably do more of a naturalistic ABA/Floortime with her since I

setup the tasks for her more naturally than sitting in a chair like

our older son. The only difference between what we do with her and

floortime is the way we ask her once she is engaged(it is more

routine at first and then becomes more generalized) and we use a lot

more prompts than floortime to keep her responses at an 80% level.

We have only been doing about 15 hours a weeks with her and it is

not always 1 on 1. I think both have good approaches depending on

your child and their needs. Thought I would add my opinion. Hope

this helps someone. Good luck.

-annie

>

> I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be.

We

> havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer

clear.

> I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents

can

> do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on

supplements

> and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

> started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my

son. It

> is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time.

Great

> eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE

before.He

> is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the

play

> toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I

am not

> a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It

seems

> many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help

there

> children and this really is a successful approach and great add on

to

> any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any

questions

> where to get info please just ask.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

thanks,

nothing to do with enzymes but wanted to share

with other Mom's

>

> I've read the posts about how ignorant and cold these Dr's can be.

We

> havn't gotten that far yet and now I know I will probably steer

clear.

> I did want to share some success I have had with a program parents

can

> do on there own at home. I just started my 19/m old son on

supplements

> and enzymes and they seem to really help, by the way. But before I

> started this, I began using the DIR/Floortime approach with my son.

It

> is AMAZING and he has really come so far in just a short time.

Great

> eye contact, using gestures and some words when he had NONE

before.He

> is also much happier and seeks us out( gently pushes) us to the

play

> toom for more play!! He used to turn his back to block us out. I am

not

> a huge fan of ABA in that it only teaches correct behavior. It

seems

> many parents on here have the gusto and drive and passion to help

there

> children and this really is a successful approach and great add on

to

> any of the biomedical therapies your doing. If you have any

questions

> where to get info please just ask.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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