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Have you checked out the archives for this group? When I first joined, I

also checked out the search engines on candida, etc. So much to learn and

varying opinions. I am still learning.

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I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

Thank you,

~

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,

I have given my 7 y.o. epsom salt baths on and off. I think we use

about a quarter cup to a half cup, depending on how much bath water.

He doesn't seem to mind it being in the bath, though we probably have

not done it consistently enough to see a benefit. I do know I saw

another bath salt detox at the health food store. I want to say maybe

alba botanica or abracadbra.

You may want better input from moms who have done it more regularly

than we have. I think I just looked at the suggested amount on the

side of the box. It's like a half gallon milk style container that we

have.

Hope this helps some

>

> I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that

some

> of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

>

> Thank you,

> ~

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Starting simple is highly effective. I think the best thing a parent can do is

really get to

know thier child and what their individual issues may be before starting bio

med.

I love epsom salt baths for myself and my son. They can gently help detoxify,

help with

phenol intolerance and can be very calming.

A brief description:

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfates. The magnesium and the sulfates in the salts

are

absorbed into the body through the skin.

A lot of people are deficient in magnesium and epsom salt baths can help supply

magnesium in a highly available form.

We use epsom salt baths almost daily for my son. In fact, our son is in the bath

now. My

dear husband (who knows better)gave our son a banana, my son started to act

goofy and

hyper and an epsom bath really helps lessen his reaction and can calm him

considerably.

Husbands!!! I sleep in for one morning and my poor boy is a wreck!

Anyway, welcome to the site. Enzymes have really helped my son as well.

Dani

> I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

> of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

>

> Thank you,

> ~

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

> of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

Info at the bottom of this page

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Oh- we do 2 cups salt per bath.

>

> Hi ,

> Starting simple is highly effective. I think the best thing a parent can do

is really get to

> know thier child and what their individual issues may be before starting bio

med.

> I love epsom salt baths for myself and my son. They can gently help detoxify,

help with

> phenol intolerance and can be very calming.

> A brief description:

> Epsom salts are magnesium sulfates. The magnesium and the sulfates in the

salts are

> absorbed into the body through the skin.

> A lot of people are deficient in magnesium and epsom salt baths can help

supply

> magnesium in a highly available form.

> We use epsom salt baths almost daily for my son. In fact, our son is in the

bath now. My

> dear husband (who knows better)gave our son a banana, my son started to act

goofy

and

> hyper and an epsom bath really helps lessen his reaction and can calm him

considerably.

> Husbands!!! I sleep in for one morning and my poor boy is a wreck!

> Anyway, welcome to the site. Enzymes have really helped my son as well.

> Dani

>

> > I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> > PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

> > of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> > was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > ~

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi...

We use 2 cups per bath...it seems to really calm my boys.

Good Luck.

Carla

my first post

I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

Thank you,

~

[Guest guest]

Where do we find the epsom salt (online)? I found epsom salt cream but I don't

think it is as effective, right????

Heleni

rathmanmom <dani@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Starting simple is highly effective. I think the best thing a parent can do is

really get to

know thier child and what their individual issues may be before starting bio

med.

I love epsom salt baths for myself and my son. They can gently help detoxify,

help with

phenol intolerance and can be very calming.

A brief description:

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfates. The magnesium and the sulfates in the salts

are

absorbed into the body through the skin.

A lot of people are deficient in magnesium and epsom salt baths can help supply

magnesium in a highly available form.

We use epsom salt baths almost daily for my son. In fact, our son is in the bath

now. My

dear husband (who knows better)gave our son a banana, my son started to act

goofy and

hyper and an epsom bath really helps lessen his reaction and can calm him

considerably.

Husbands!!! I sleep in for one morning and my poor boy is a wreck!

Anyway, welcome to the site. Enzymes have really helped my son as well.

Dani

> I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

> of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

>

> Thank you,

> ~

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I have never used the cream. I purchase the Epsom Salts at the grocery store in

the first aide row.

Good Luck.

Re: Re: my first post

Where do we find the epsom salt (online)? I found epsom salt cream but I don't

think it is as effective, right????

Heleni

rathmanmom <dani@...<mailto:dani@...>> wrote:

Hi ,

Starting simple is highly effective. I think the best thing a parent can do is

really get to

know thier child and what their individual issues may be before starting bio

med.

I love epsom salt baths for myself and my son. They can gently help detoxify,

help with

phenol intolerance and can be very calming.

A brief description:

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfates. The magnesium and the sulfates in the

salts are

absorbed into the body through the skin.

A lot of people are deficient in magnesium and epsom salt baths can help

supply

magnesium in a highly available form.

We use epsom salt baths almost daily for my son. In fact, our son is in the

bath now. My

dear husband (who knows better)gave our son a banana, my son started to act

goofy and

hyper and an epsom bath really helps lessen his reaction and can calm him

considerably.

Husbands!!! I sleep in for one morning and my poor boy is a wreck!

Anyway, welcome to the site. Enzymes have really helped my son as well.

Dani

> I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

> of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

>

> Thank you,

> ~

>

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I pick mine up at Walmart. BTW, if you have an allergy to sulfa meds, does

that matter when bathing in Epson salt?

Tammy

Re: Re: my first post

Where do we find the epsom salt (online)? I found epsom salt cream but I

don't think it is as effective, right????

Heleni

rathmanmom <danidaniphoto (DOT) <mailto:dani%40daniphoto.com> com> wrote:

Hi ,

Starting simple is highly effective. I think the best thing a parent can do

is really get to

know thier child and what their individual issues may be before starting bio

med.

I love epsom salt baths for myself and my son. They can gently help

detoxify, help with

phenol intolerance and can be very calming.

A brief description:

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfates. The magnesium and the sulfates in the

salts are

absorbed into the body through the skin.

A lot of people are deficient in magnesium and epsom salt baths can help

supply

magnesium in a highly available form.

We use epsom salt baths almost daily for my son. In fact, our son is in the

bath now. My

dear husband (who knows better)gave our son a banana, my son started to act

goofy and

hyper and an epsom bath really helps lessen his reaction and can calm him

considerably.

Husbands!!! I sleep in for one morning and my poor boy is a wreck!

Anyway, welcome to the site. Enzymes have really helped my son as well.

Dani

> I've read all of your posts but I haven't started any enzymes for my

> PDD ADHD 7 year old son. I wanted to start simple and I see that some

> of you give your children epson salt baths. What does this do? If I

> was to do it how much should I put in a full tub?

>

> Thank you,

> ~

>

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Hi Tammy (and others with Phenol and Epsom salts questions,

I have been seriously " allergic " to sulphur drugs since I was a child

and I recently dove deep into researching the transulfuration pathway.

There is a great paper in the files section of this group. In

the subdirectory Related Topics and Supplements, called Sulfur and

PST. I highly recommend you print it out and read it a couple of times

over. I wish I knew who wrote it!

It's a fantastic introduction to the phenolsulphotransferase enzyme

and its function (or lack thereof) in our kids. It certainly opened my

eyes and I was able to make the connections from my son's ASD to my

family history of sulphur processing issues, addiction to artificial

colours/flavours/MSG, cravings for high phenol foods etc.

My son also had multiple chemical sensitivity, which he has almost

recovered from now with help of information I first read in the

article. It started the whole process rolling in my education

phenolsulphotransferase and other biochemical processes.

Basically how it should work is you eat a sulphur food (eggs,

broccoli, garlic etc) and it gets turned into sulphite (bad chemical!)

as an intermediary before being processed into sulphate (good

chemical!). The process is handled by the PST enzyme with help from

molybdenum and a couple of other essential elements. All fine and

dandy, if you have enough PST enzymes, enough of the essential

elements and not too many phenols taking up the time of the busy PST

enzymes.

If you have too many sulphur and phenol foods going in, not enough PST

enzymes to process them (which you can't take as a supplement by the

way – it's a biochemical enzyme, not a digestive one), in addition to

not enough of the right essential elements to support the chemical

reaction and throw heavy metal toxicity + chlorine from

drinking/bath/pool water on top of that – well, you have a major

traffic jam at the PST enzyme " toll booth " and no way to clear the

back log. Phenol overload and sulphite toxicity are the result of that.

Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) absorbed transdermally is a GREAT way

to get the end product sulphate into the system without having to go

through the processing.

Low phenol, low sulphur diet is the best thing for reducing the

traffic pile up. Supplement with molybdenum and the other essential

elements if they are low to speed up the processing of those toll

booth workers. Get chlorine out of every drop of water that goes near

your kid because it's toxic to this process. Actually it's toxic to

all living cells and biochemical processes, but it's particularly bad

for poor overworked PST guys who never get a break.

That's just my simple way of understanding and explaining it all. Read

the paper for the full story.

I have my son in a 2cup Epsom salts bath per day (then I get in

afterwards!), low sulphur and phenol diet. No-Phenol 3x per day,

supplement the essential elements that test low and de chlorinate as

much as I can.

Hope that helps!

– mother to 4 year old son: recovered from ASD, multiple

chemical sensitivities, eczema and 1/2 dozen other related conditions.

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about the quality of the epsom salts in grocery or

discount stores. I was buying them from Whole Foods in the states with

the blurb " lab tested, quality assured " on the carton and didn't think

much else about it.

When I was planning my son's three month " detox trip " to australia I

found that the sourses there were mostly from china and seriously

contaminted with toxic metals. Only one company (AustralChem) produced

a product from clean local resourses and lab tested every batch.

Unfortunatly the company closed last month, but the remaining suplies

were bought by the sydney biomed group (Yea!) so we are good for the

moment.

Once I head back to the states next month I'm going to be VERY careful

about where I buy epsom salts. I want to be sure I'm not putting the

junk in my kid that I've worked so hard to get OUT over the last

couple of years. It's a possibility that the distributors in china are

supplying the USA as well, but I don't know.

Anyone have an angle on product purity tests for epsom salts in the USA?

>

> I have never used the cream. I purchase the Epsom Salts at the

grocery store in the first aide row.

>

> Good Luck.

[Guest guest]

>

> Where do we find the epsom salt (online)? I found epsom salt cream

but I don't think it is as effective, right????

Cream can be as effective as baths for certain children. It depends

on the child.

Dana

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Hello,

 

Welcome to the group and posting. To be able to have an easier conversation, please sign your posts, so we can respond to a name, makes the whole process more personal.

 

I agree with Dyann, that you should get another opinion and one from a doc that does this work frequently and has a proven track record. Some of the things you said gives me pause, as to this doc's methods and experience.

 

It sounds as though you have been diagnosised with Flatback, correct? Who are you currently seeing and where are you located?

 

If you truly have Flatback, getting your rod out isn't your problem, it's the loss of Lordosis, and maybe a host of other problems due to wear and tear either above or below your fusion mass. This doc telling you he can see your spine better once it's gone, really doesn't sit right, people get diagnosised and revision planned despite the rod being there. Generally the rod itself unless it's traveled, isn't painful.

 

Having only ones rod removed doesn't fix Flatback. If the rod is removed, and  if your fusion mass is intact, that fused curve won't get bigger probably than it is now . People can and do curve above or below their fusion mass, or if their fusion mass is cracked the curve can progress. In this, it's more about restoring Lordosis, and repairing other issues if you have them, such as stenosis, DDD, and arthritis.

You need surgery to restore Lordosis, it can't come back on it's own unfortunately.

 

Many members have their revisions staged, which means, they do a piece of the surgery on one day, and come back at a later date and complete it. I had mine in one day, about 12 surgical hours. Many docs prefer to stage the surgery cause that amount of time under, blood loss, and time in surgery for the doc take a toll on all concerned.

 

Your doc " Seeing if you pain is gone once the rod is out " , isn't staging of a revision but a seperate surgery, and then another surgery to do revision work. Some of us have had our Harrington's out, and many still have a part of theirs still inplace, they just hang the revision hardware from where they cut the rod off. I had mine out, but many still have a piece of theirs.

 

Please let us know where you are, and we can send some ideas for someone to see for second or third opinions. Also you can consult the " Scoliosis Research Society " site, they have a doc locator by state and even city, look for " aging spine " in the doc's description.

 

Know many of us have to travel to get to a qualified doc, that does this surgery often and has a proven track record. This is a serious surgery and requires a great deal of expertice, and not every ortho, even spine guys, are proffient at revision.

 

I know all this is tough and hard to wrap your head around, but read everything you can get your hands on, this site is full of info in the FILES section, after research then your can ask good pointed questions of proposed surgeons. This isn't an emergency in most cases, so you have time to seek opinions and learn, and pick the best qualified doc for you, and to prepare yourself.

 

We are here to help, and let us know when you have appointments, we can put them on the group calendar, and see how your process goes.

 

Tons of us have been or are where you are right now, boy I sure remember seeing doc's, and having a feeling in the pit of my stomach that he either wasn't my doc, or when I found mine, knowing it. Thats where doing research and knowing the condition comes into place, so you'll know when someone is snowing you, or is a pro at this. Believe me plenty of doc's will say this is out of their comfort level, good don't let them touch you, but also don't let a doc touch you thats willing to give it a go, you don't want to be any doc's first stab at doing a revision for Flatback. This is pretty doggoned specialized surgery, and you need a proven doc. Can't stress that enough.

 

Again welcome, and we look forward to getting to know you better!

 

Colorado Springs

 

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Dyann Diamond <dyanndiamond@...> wrote:

 

Sounds like you need a second opinion form someone whose performed numerous revision surgeries on folks like us.-Dyann

> From: campbettyfanny <campbetty@...>> Subject: [ ] My first post>

> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 2:54 PM > Hello, I had a double curve and at 17> had a long Harrington rod put in. I'm now 50 and my lower> back pain is always bad. My Dr says I should have 2> surgeries...one to take the rod out and maybe a second one

> to fix what is causing the pain. He says he can better> determine what is causing the pain when the rod is gone and> we see where we are at with the pain, as well as he can see> my spine better.  Question 1) Will my curve get worse,

> will I lose correction, when the rod is gone at all (if even> a little)? 2)Can a normal curve develop all on its own in my> lower back without that special flatback wedge ostomey> procedure? 3) Is there an advantage to making this 2

> surgeries, not one? Any guidance or experience is welcome.> > > > ------------------------------------ > > scoliosis veterans * flatback sufferers * revision> candidates