Re: Friday Sept 7th, Montel Dying to serve Anthrax Vaccine injuries

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Robin Nemeth writes:

I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf War Syndrome, and anthrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website:

To determine whether anthrax vaccine caused GWS, a study was performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of symptoms of GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of people who had antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups. Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of GWS.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I agree with Robin's conclusion that because the same percentage of people who had antibodies exists in people who complain of GWS symptoms as in people who don't, does not "rule out" anthrax as a cause for GWS.

However, I am not surprised by anything originating in Dr. Offitt's Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Dr. Offitt's long professional relationship with the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has greatly diminished the Hospital's scientific credibility when the subject has anything to do with vaccines. Unfortunately, not only is this the "best they have to offer", but, they do so without any apology for it.

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I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf War Syndrome, and antrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website:

http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736

Does the anthrax vaccine cause Gulf-War Syndrome?A long-lasting disease that included muscle pain, fatigue and headaches was significantly associated with deployment of military personnel to the Gulf War. Some suggested that Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) was caused by the anthrax vaccine. To determine whether anthrax vaccine caused GWS, a study was performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of symptoms of GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of people who had antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups. Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of GWS.

Huh?? I'm no scientist. But for the life of me, I don't understand how it follows that because the same percentage of people who had antibodies exists in people who complain of GWS symptoms as in people who don't, that this means that the anthrax vaccine doesn't appear to be the cause of GWS.

Kind of makes one wonder, if this is the best defense they can come up with...

Robin Nemeth

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" Portions of this Web page are excerpted from Vaccines: What You

Should Know, 3rd edition, by PAUL A. OFFIT and Louis M. Bell, Wiley, 2003 "

http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736

Now I can't imagine why this conclusion was made with prOffit

involved with the study.

Casper

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> I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf War

> Syndrome, and antrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from the

> Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website:

>

> http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736

> <http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736>

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> Does the anthrax vaccine cause Gulf-War Syndrome?

> A long-lasting disease that included muscle pain, fatigue and headaches

> was significantly associated with deployment of military personnel to

> the Gulf War. Some suggested that Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) was caused by

> the anthrax vaccine. To determine whether anthrax vaccine caused GWS, a

> study was performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of

> symptoms of GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of people who

> had antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups.

> Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of GWS.

>

>

> Huh?? I'm no scientist. But for the life of me, I don't understand how

> it follows that because the same percentage of people who had antibodies

> exists in people who complain of GWS symptoms as in people who don't,

> that this means that the anthrax vaccine doesn't appear to be the cause

> of GWS.

>

> Kind of makes one wonder, if this is the best defense they can come up

> with...

>

> Robin Nemeth

>

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They should have been looking for antibodies to squalene. Pam Asa believes that squalene was used as an adjuvant in some lots of experimental anthrax vaccine, which was given to some soldiers, despite the military denying this. It's the reaction to squalene that can cause autoimmune problems. Aasa http://www.avip2001.net/OfficialDocuments_files/DrAsa.htm Rmoffi@... wrote: Robin Nemeth writes: I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf War Syndrome, and anthrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website: To determine whether anthrax vaccine caused GWS, a study was performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of symptoms of GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of people who had antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups. Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of GWS.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with Robin's conclusion that because the same percentage of people who had antibodies exists in people who complain of GWS symptoms as in people who don't, does not "rule out" anthrax as a cause for GWS. However, I am not surprised by anything originating in Dr. Offitt's Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Dr. Offitt's long professional relationship with the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has greatly diminished the Hospital's

scientific credibility when the subject has anything to do with vaccines. Unfortunately, not only is this the "best they have to offer", but, they do so without any apology for it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By the way, in New York area, the Montel Show is on at 11:00 and again at 1:00 P.M. The Montel show about anthrax vaccine and military airs at 1:00 PM. Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.

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---Does anyone know what exact test to perform to check for the

squelene antibodies ?????? thanks eI

n EOHarm , Aasa <penas7ar@...> wrote:

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> They should have been looking for antibodies to squalene. Pam Asa

believes that squalene was used as an adjuvant in some lots of

experimental anthrax vaccine, which was given to some soldiers,

despite the military denying this. It's the reaction to squalene

that can cause autoimmune problems. Aasa

> http://www.avip2001.net/OfficialDocuments_files/DrAsa.htm

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> Rmoffi@... wrote:

> Robin Nemeth writes:

>

>

> I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf

War Syndrome, and anthrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from

the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website:

>

> To determine whether anthrax vaccine caused GWS, a study was

performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of symptoms of

GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of people who had

antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups.

Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of

GWS.

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> I agree with Robin's conclusion that because the same percentage

of people who had antibodies exists in people who complain of GWS

symptoms as in people who don't, does not " rule out " anthrax as a

cause for GWS.

>

> However, I am not surprised by anything originating in Dr.

Offitt's Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Dr. Offitt's long

professional relationship with the Children's Hospital of

Philadelphia has greatly diminished the Hospital's scientific

credibility when the subject has anything to do with vaccines.

Unfortunately, not only is this the " best they have to offer " , but,

they do so without any apology for it.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

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> By the way, in New York area, the Montel Show is on at 11:00 and

again at 1:00 P.M.

>

> The Montel show about anthrax vaccine and military airs at 1:00

PM.

>

>

>

>

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Offit's article is total rubbish. Seriously, folks, do your research and dig up all you can about Pam Asa's work. Then, you'll have something to work with. Looking for anthrax antibodies in the blood as an answer to GWS is as stupid as looking for mercury/thimerosal in the blood for ASD. The GWS symptoms were more likely caused by the adjuvants in the vaccines given to soldiers. That means, the soldiers should be tested for levels of possible ingredients in the adjuvants in their vaccines, even squalene (also squalane), even though the usage of these adjuvants has been denied by the US military. If you have the time or inclination, get hold of Matsumoto's book "Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers--And Why GI's Are Only The First Victims. Most of this info is spelled out there in detail. Aasa http://www.vaccine-a.com/searchingforserenity111

<searchingforserenity111@...> wrote: "Portions of this Web page are excerpted from Vaccines: What YouShould Know, 3rd edition, by PAUL A. OFFIT and Louis M. Bell, Wiley, 2003"http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736Now I can't imagine why this conclusion was made with prOffitinvolved with the study.Casper>> > > I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf War> Syndrome, and antrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from the> Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website:> > http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736> <http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75736>> > Does the anthrax vaccine cause Gulf-War Syndrome?> A long-lasting disease that included muscle pain, fatigue and headaches> was significantly associated with deployment of military personnel to> the Gulf War. Some suggested that Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) was caused by> the anthrax vaccine. To determine whether anthrax

vaccine caused GWS, a> study was performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of> symptoms of GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of people who> had antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups.> Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of GWS.> > > Huh?? I'm no scientist. But for the life of me, I don't understand how> it follows that because the same percentage of people who had antibodies> exists in people who complain of GWS symptoms as in people who don't,> that this means that the anthrax vaccine doesn't appear to be the cause> of GWS.> > Kind of makes one wonder, if this is the best defense they can come up> with...> > Robin Nemeth>

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I don't have an easy answer for you, but perhaps this link can give you more info: http://www.avip2001.net/OfficialDocuments_files/Asa_squalene.pdf Aasabasiu2002 <edithkucinska@...> wrote: ---Does anyone know what exact test to perform to check for the squelene antibodies ?????? thanks eIn EOHarm , Aasa <penas7ar@...>

wrote:>> They should have been looking for antibodies to squalene. Pam Asa believes that squalene was used as an adjuvant in some lots of experimental anthrax vaccine, which was given to some soldiers, despite the military denying this. It's the reaction to squalene that can cause autoimmune problems. Aasa> http://www.avip2001.net/OfficialDocuments_files/DrAsa.htm> > > Rmoffi@... wrote:> Robin Nemeth writes:> > > I spent about ten or fifteen minutes with Google looking up Gulf War Syndrome, and anthrax vaccinations, and I came across this, from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia website:> > To determine whether anthrax vaccine caused GWS, a study was performed. Blood was taken from people who complained of symptoms of GWS and from those who did not. The percentage of

people who had antibodies to anthrax was not different between the two groups. Therefore, the anthrax vaccine does not appear to be the cause of GWS.> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> I agree with Robin's conclusion that because the same percentage of people who had antibodies exists in people who complain of GWS symptoms as in people who don't, does not "rule out" anthrax as a cause for GWS.> > However, I am not surprised by anything originating in Dr. Offitt's Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. Dr. Offitt's long professional relationship with the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia has greatly diminished the Hospital's scientific credibility when the subject has anything to do with vaccines. Unfortunately, not only is this the

"best they have to offer", but, they do so without any apology for it.> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> By the way, in New York area, the Montel Show is on at 11:00 and again at 1:00 P.M. > > The Montel show about anthrax vaccine and military airs at 1:00 PM. > > > > > ---------------------------------> Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com.>