Re: Digest Number 975

[Guest guest]

hi wendy,

=== Are you saying that even after 123 days on formula 560 she was still

very ill? ===

no, i was trying to explain the kind of shape she was in before she

started.

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debbie s. - dlsherman@...

[Guest guest]

Hi fellow PWCs:

This is the first time I've posted to this board although I've been reading

it for months. I'm intrigued by the idea of treating CFIDS symptoms of

fatigue, weakness, depression, and post exertion crash, with Methadone. I

have been taking Ultram for 3 months now on a daily basis and have found

quite by accident that it helps my fatigue, mood, and helps me avoid post

exertion crash. It was originally perscribed as a non-narcotic pain reliever

with minimal potential for addiction. It has worked much the way joey

describes that the methadone works. Pain is not one of my main complaints

and it is helping my most debilitating symptoms listed above. Howerver,

having said that, I am a recovering addict, and Ultram is physically and

psychilogically addictive. I've heard horror stories about people who've

been on large doses for years, and have gone through hell trying to get off

of this supposedly " minimally addictive " drug. For now, I'm considering it a

tradeoff, for me having been severely disabled by CFIDS for 9 years, I've

finally found something that works. The recovering addict side of me feels

guilty that the drug that is working to give me a partially improved quality

of life back, happens to be an addictive substance that I will have to detox

from eventually.

Has anyone had experience with Ultram and it improving fatigue, avoiding

crashes, and muscle weakness?

thanks,

Grdnangel

[Guest guest]

I had a drug abuse problem long ago and have used ultram. it did nothing

for me except

give me anxiety when I stopped using it. currently I am trying to get my

doc to perscribe

methadone but she is reluctant at this time. I'm working on persuading

her. I have major pain

problems and have used vicidone in the past for almost 3 yrs. I built up

tolerance and it no longer

works at all. I'm currently using stadol nasal spray which is perfect

in the am when I am the worst.

its a narcotic and is addictive, the relief lasts about 2-3 hrs.

erik

Grdnangel@... wrote:

>

> Hi fellow PWCs:

> This is the first time I've posted to this board although I've been reading

> it for months. I'm intrigued by the idea of treating CFIDS symptoms of

> fatigue, weakness, depression, and post exertion crash, with Methadone. I

> have been taking Ultram for 3 months now on a daily basis and have found

> quite by accident that it helps my fatigue, mood, and helps me avoid post

> exertion crash. It was originally perscribed as a non-narcotic pain reliever

> with minimal potential for addiction. It has worked much the way joey

> describes that the methadone works. Pain is not one of my main complaints

> and it is helping my most debilitating symptoms listed above. Howerver,

> having said that, I am a recovering addict, and Ultram is physically and

> psychilogically addictive. I've heard horror stories about people who've

> been on large doses for years, and have gone through hell trying to get off

> of this supposedly " minimally addictive " drug. For now, I'm considering it a

> tradeoff, for me having been severely disabled by CFIDS for 9 years, I've

> finally found something that works. The recovering addict side of me feels

> guilty that the drug that is working to give me a partially improved quality

> of life back, happens to be an addictive substance that I will have to detox

> from eventually.

> Has anyone had experience with Ultram and it improving fatigue, avoiding

> crashes, and muscle weakness?

> thanks,

> Grdnangel

>

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi, (forgot who again - oops),

>I tested positive for auto antibodies to single stranded DNA, but negative

>to the double stranded DNA. Does anyone know what this means. I have

>heard that it is lupus only if positive to double stranded.

My understanding is that lupus can result from almost any autoantibody that

targets something in the cell nucleus. That would include dsDNA, ssDNA,

centromeres, etc. Also specific kinds of RNA - (these antibodies were

immortalized and are still used as probes in research) - that are only found

in the nucleus.

Jerry

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[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

>I have been wondering if anyone knows about red blood cells (low)

>concerning CFS? ALso, about low blood volume? I am trying to figure out

>the difference and if they pertain to me. Lately, I have been getting back

>blood test that say low RBC, low HCT, and low HGB. I also have one that

>says Low MCHC. My doctor never says anything about them but I have a

>feeling it is indicating anemia or something. Is there a way to increase

>RBC? I hear that some CFS doctor including Dr. Simpson(don't know if this

>guys has a website or not) talks about treating low RBC's with either EPO,

>Procrit, or Epogen?

The research I have heard about indicates that usually PWCs have their blood

tests in the normal range (anemia would be a rule-out for initial CFS dx

altho it can come up later). Typically PWCs have low blood volume - a state

that leads to a lack of total red cells and low total O2 delivery capacity

even though concentrations are normal.

RBC is red blood cell concentration - number per volume, not total number

HCT is hematocrit - a measure of hemoglobin concentration

HGB is hemoglobin concentration

MCHC is mean (average) corpuscular hemoglobin concentration - the average

amount of Hb in each red cell

There is Epogen, which is erythropoeitin, a red-cell growth factor, which is

on the market as a Rx drug. It will result in higher red cell concentrations

(at an energy cost), but will not result in higher blood volume. It is

useful for treating anemia, but is typically used to treat cancer patients

undergoing chemo (whose bone marrow is suppressed).

Jerry

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[Guest guest]

We take an old fashion approach: supply the body with massive volumes of the basic ingrediants for

red blood cells - for us this is simple:

Lots of [organic - pure] peanut butter and B12

Ken Lassesen 2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (also Netmeeting with Video)

Is there a way to increase >RBC? I hear that some CFS doctor including Dr. Simpson(don't know if this >guys has a website or not) talks about treating low RBC's with either EPO, >Procrit, or Epogen?

[Guest guest]

I founf this fascinating as my dentist has trained with both Klinghardt and

Omura. I have CFS and his testing with Omura's methods confirm my dcotor's

testing with EAV. I am ladden with copper.

Phil

Message: 1

Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:10:49 -0500

From: " SaraLou Pedigo " <slpedigo@...>

Subject: What about Klinghardt?

Mercola sent out the following article and at the botton, ads for classes

with Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt. Any comments?

SaraLou

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Metal Toxicity

by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, Ph.D.

In the late phase of the Roman Empire, it was considered a privilege of the

reigning aristocracy to drink out of lead cups and many of the water lines

in the city of Rome were made out of lead pipes. It took several hundred

years before the physicians of the time established the link between mental

illness -- affecting mostly the aristocracy -- and the contamination of the

drinking water with lead.

In the 1700s, the use of mercury for the treatment of both acute and chronic

infections gained favor and again, it took decades before the neuro-toxic

and immuno-suppressive effects of mercury were well documented within the

medical community.

In the time of Mozart, who died of mercury toxicity during a course of

treatment for syphilis, any pathologist in Vienna was familiar with the

severe grayish discoloration of organs in those who died from mercury

toxicity and other organ-related destructive changes caused by mercury.

In the case of mercury, the therapeutic dilemma is most clear. Mercury can

be used to treat infections, but -- not unlike chemotherapy -- also causes a

different type of illness and may kill the patient.

The same is true for most metals; small doses may have a therapeutic effect

for a short term, life saving direction, but may also cause their own

illness.

Most metals have a very narrow therapeutic margin before their neuro-toxic

(and in some cases carcinogenic effect), outweigh the benefits. Toxic metals

may be fungicidal and bactericidal, maybe even virucidal, but many foreign

invaders have the ability to adapt over time to a toxic metal environment in

a way that stuns scientists and certainly outpaces the ability of the cells

of a higher organism -- like ours -- to adapt in a similar way.

In the long run, the situation looks different. Toxic metals harm the cells

of the body whereas the invading microorganisms can often thrive in a heavy

metal environment. Research by Ludwig, Voll and others in Germany and by

Omura and myself here in the US, show that microorganisms tend to set up

their housekeeping in those body compartments that have the highest

pollution with toxic metals.

The body's own immune cells are incapacitated in those areas whereas the

microorganisms multiply and thrive in an undisturbed way. The teeth,

jawbone, Peyers patches in the gutwall, the ground-system (connective

tissue) and the autonomic ganglia are common sites of metal storage and the

place where microorganisms thrive. Furthermore, those bodily areas are also

vasoconstricted and hypoperfused by blood, nutrients and oxygen, which

foster the growth of anaerobic germs, fungi and viruses.

The list of symptoms of mercury toxicity alone, published by DAMS (Dental

Amalgam Support Group) includes virtually all illnesses known to humankind.

Chronic fatigue, depression and joint pains are the most common on the list.

To keep it simple, mercury alone can mimic or cause any illness currently

known or at least contribute to it.

Modern medicine has taken a giant leap in the past few years through the

discovery and use of the PCR test (polymerase chain reaction). Virtually any

illness seems to be caused or contributed to by a chronic infection. A study

performed by the VA Administration (published in JADA, April 1998) on 10,000

US veterans, showed that most coronary heart disease really started as an

endothelial infection and, in most cases was caused by microorganisms from

the mouth.

Another study showed that close to 70% of all TMJ syndromes in women are

caused or contributed to by chlamydia trachomatis. Childhood diabetes is

often caused by either a cytomegalovirus or influenza virus infection.

I suggest diagnosing and treating toxic metal residues in the body along

with the appropriate treatment of the microorganisms. As long as

compartmentalized toxic metals are present in the body, microorganisms have

a fortress that cannot be conquered by antibiotics, Enderlein remedies,

ozone therapy, UV light therapy and others.

To diagnose metal deposits in the different body compartments on a living

patient is not easy. Most " scientific " tests are based on grinding up tissue

and then examining it with a microscope, spectroscopy or other

laboratory-based procedures.

The most elegant, suitable and easy to learn system is Dr. Yoshiaki Omura's

resonance phenomenon between identical substances. Both his bi-digital

O-ring test or ART (autonomic response testing) are extensions of a regular

physical exam that can be done without any instruments. It is a very

accurate diagnostic tool and makes it possible to not only diagnose where in

the body which metal is stored, but also helps to predict which metal

detoxifying agent is most suitable to remove the toxic metal from that

particular body region.

The metals found most commonly are:

mercury

lead

aluminum

cadmium

Among the detoxifying agents most commonly used are DMPS, DMSA, Captomer,

D-Penicillamine, I.V. vitamin C, I. V. Gluthathione, Pleo-Chelate,

DL-Methionine (Redoxal), branched chain amino acids, Chlorella Pyreneidosa,

Chitosan, activated charcoal, cilantro and yellow dock.

I have developed non-biochemical approaches and include electromobilization

(using the Electro-Bloc), mercury vapor lamp mobilization and others.

The approach to treating illness in a way that acknowledges those

observations has to include the following:

Diagnosing the site of toxic metal compartmentalization

Diagnosing the exact type of metal

Determining the most appropriate and least toxic metal removal agent

Determining other appropriate synergistic methods and agents (i.e., kidney

drainage remedies, blood protective agents -- garlic or vitamin E, agents

that increase fecal absorption and excretion of mobilized Hg, exercise,

lymphatic drainage, etc.)

Diagnosing the secondary infection

Determining an appropriate antibiotic regimen (medical antibiotics,

antifungals, antivirals, Enderlein remedies, ozone therapy, etc.)

Monitoring the patient carefully form visit to visit to respond quickly to

untoward effects most often caused by plugged up exit routes.

With this approach, many patients that were chronically ill and did not

respond to other approaches will improve or get well.

However, the thoughts expressed thus far do not answer one important

question.

Why do patients that are exposed to mercury, deposit the toxin in various

areas of their body?

Some deposit the mercury in their hypothalamus (and develop multiple hormone

problems), or in their limbic system (depression). Others deposit it in the

adrenals (fatigue), or in the long bones (osteoporosis, leukemia). Some in

the pelvis (interstitial cystitis), in the autonomic and sensory ganglia

(chronic pain syndromes); some in the connective tissue (scleroderma,

lupus), or in the cranial nerves (tinnitus, cataracts, TMJ problems, loss of

smell), or in the muscles (fibromyalgia).

As you would assume, multiple causes can be identified.

Past physical trauma (such as closed head injury) will make the brain

susceptible to becoming a storage site for lead, aluminum and mercury.

Food allergies often cause a low-grade encephalitis or joint inflammation,

setting up those areas to become targets for toxic deposits.

Geopathic stress -- Significant numbers of patients were found sleeping on

underground water lines or too close to electrical equipment. Metals

concentrate in the body regions most compromised.

Scars and other foci can create abnormal electrical signals that can alter

the function of the ANS (autonomic nervous system). The abnormal impulses

often cause areas of vasoconstriction and hypoperfusion, which again become

metal storage sites.

Structural abnormalities -- TMJ problems and cranio-sacral dysfunctions

often are responsible for impairment of blood flow and lymphatic drainage in

affected areas.

Biochemical deficiencies -- If the patient has a chronic zinc deficiency,

the prostate, which has a large turnover of zinc, starts to incorporate

other 2-valent metals (such as Hg++, Pb++).

Environmental toxicity (solvents, pesticides, wood preservatives, etc.) has

a synergistic effect with most toxic metals. Metals will often accumulate in

body parts that have been chemically injured at a prior time.

Unresolved psycho-emotional trauma and unresolved problems in the family

system.

This last cause -- unresolved psycho-emotional trauma -- is by far the most

common factor determining where which metal will be stored in the body and

which infectious agent will thrive in what area of the body. This issue has

been underestimated by most, due to a lack of appropriate, quick and precise

therapeutic interventions.

I have developed a type of biofeedback psychotherapy called

psychoneurobiology (APN). The core of this approach is the dialogue with the

subconscious mind. Any type of ART technique (muscle testing, EAV, brainwave

biofeedback, etc.) may be used to obtain answers and engage in the dialogue.

The technique is aimed at uncovering any unresolved past traumatic event and

processing the material in a way that is healing to both the patient and

their family. The material is covered in the APN I and II handouts and in

the video sets from the APN Seminars.

Patients who responded poorly or were unresponsive to prior treatment with

appropriately selected Enderlein remedies and detox agents, responded

dramatically by treating the patient first with APN, by unloading emotional

material, correcting limiting beliefs and creating an opportunity for

healing between living and dead family members.

In fact, every parameter of their biochemistry, including bio-terrain

measurements like tissue and blood pH, osmolality, conductivity but also

including hormone levels, mineral levels, etc. move in a direction toward

normal after successful APN treatments. Results are often permanent.

The disease model that is emerging from these observations looks as follows:

The symptom is that which is visible or apparent and usually the reason the

patient comes to us. Underneath or within it, we find most often a chronic

infection. Underneath the infection, we find the altered milieu -- mostly

the presence of toxic metals. Underneath that, the reason why it is there

(other than the obvious necessary exposure), the selection of location, the

choice of metal -- are all created and guided by the subconscious mind and

determined by the type, severity and date of unresolved psycho-emotional

trauma or material.

Explore Volume 10, 2000

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http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/10/metal_toxicity.htm

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:

This is a good summary of the general issues one needs to be concerned about

in metal toxicity. For the health care practitioners in the audience I

strongly recommend attending Dr. Klinghardt's courses to understand the

scientific and practical methods one can use in removing toxic metals such

as mercury from the body.

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Muscle strength and the autonomic regulation of the muscle spindle

Central regulation of the ANS

Autonomic arousal and muscle tone

Heart Rate Variability (HRV) and thermography to objectify the ART exam

The standard neurological exam: upper and lower extremity, cranial nerves

The standard orthopedic exam (neck, low back and major joints)

The ANS exam: Arm length testing, muscle testing, VAS (vascular autonomic

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Practice, practice, practice and demonstrations

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Blocked regulation - when nothing works: biochemical, autonomic and mental

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Neurogenic switching: the most common roadblock to healing

Induction phenomena between practitioner and client (transference and

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The ART body scan: an extension of the physical exam

Practice, practice, practice - and demonstrations

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Making the correct diagnosis

Heavy metal toxicity: what metal, where, which detox agent

Food allergies: quick and easy scan

Dental problems: incompatible material, infection or toxicity?

Geopathic stress: an important co-factor in cancer. Is it the underground

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Date: March 16-18, 2001

It will be VERY important to attend this course if you want to go to the

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You can view the other courses this year by clicking here.

Time: Friday, 1-6 p.m., 7:30-10 p.m., Saturday, 9 a.m.-6 p.m. Sunday, 8:30

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All registrations postmarked March 2 will receive discount:

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How To Register

You can mail a check for this course to my office at

1443 W. Schaumburg

Schaumburg, IL 60194

If you want to pay by credit card you will be able to do that but we will

need to charge you a 3% service charge to cover our costs. On line credit

card registration will be available at the end of February.

Any questions please contact Mike by e-mail

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Location: Seattle Marriott (close to Seattle Airport), SeaTac, WA

Accommodations: Seattle Marriott Reservations: 206-241-2000. The exclusive

hotel for seminar participants. Airport shuttle service is complimentary.

A.R.T. is a further development of " Neuralkinesiology " , developed by

D.Klinghardt,MD and L. ND, DC over 10 years ago. It also applies new

findings from neurobiology, resonance physics, psychology and from Dr.

Klinghardt's own research affiliates both in Europe and North America.

Several scientific studies published in peer reviewed journals in Germany

have validated this method.

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[Guest guest]

Catching up.....Hi Everyone!! Does anyone have any special plans for

the summer?

Hi Monnie...welcome!!! I'm a hashimoto girl too!

Mine is inactive....as well i have candida, heart problems, rheumatoid

arthritis, hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue, .low immunity,high acidity, gerd,

etc....and other stuff......half the time i forget what i have because

I do not dweel on it..and i i keep it all at bay....with my diet and supplementation

program..the only medication that i take is eltroxin. i was short on time

yesterday..so i rode my bike the 4 miles...it was shorter time was but

harder on the legs than walking and quite the cardio workout. I decided...

walking is better for me...i used to ride my bike 18 miles a day...but

i've got to build up to more over time... over 40 years...lol

((((((hugs))))))))) Terri and Anne ...hope

things are going better!

Ling.... <As for Bunbun... She must have barked

herself hoarse because she came back and had a sore throat for 2 days!>..............poor

bunbun...!

What is "rgo brace" ?....an rgo brace...is an reciprocated

gait orthotic?something like that...it means she'll use a walker with it...it

goes from her hips to toe tip....plastic molded brace with metal bars on

the sides that lock in place to hold her upright ...the metal bars unlock

so she can sit while wearing it....the brace itself works pretty cool...when

she takes a step with the left side the right will follow with a step....which

is awesome for tessa because her right side is paralyzed...so we are looking

forward to that...we go back to toronto july 26...to get it fitted properly...she's

excied about it too. we got her a kitten last week...Rexy...so it's the

new highlight of the house!

Great quote Monnie!

Hi ..how are you doing?

Barbara...Hi..we are all fine...my sons graduation

was beautiful.....they had a nice reception after ...and then the kids

had a dance..i took lots of pics so i'll show some when i get them developed.

It's nice to have ball over before the weather gets tooo hot isnt it...it

was really hot yesterday...we all slept in the basement last night....starting

out watching t.v. and one by one all feel asleep....even Tessa.

< glucosamine>...most take months to notice a difference but this

is a newly patented brand .....designed specifically to work in days...it's

called procosamine. i get it through mail order.

Also, Barbara......Tessa has spina bifida too...are

alot of your health problems caused by that?

Well..the kids have an assembly at school..i'm going to check it out...last

day of school...boo hoo....lol...now here comes the bored kids!!!

ttfn Love, Sheena

p.s. How are you Melinda? ? You're pretty quiet?

Are things ok?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheena!

"Ling.... <As for Bunbun... She must have barked herself hoarse because she came back and had a sore throat for 2 days!>..............poor bunbun...!"

She was...hehe, but now she has regained her sexy voice and has barked crazily again ever since! sigh, this is my dog...

"What is "rgo brace" ?....an rgo brace...is an reciprocated gait orthotic?something like that...it means she'll use a walker with it...it goes from her hips to toe tip....plastic molded brace with metal bars on the sides that lock in place to hold her upright ...the metal bars unlock so she can sit while wearing it....the brace itself works pretty cool...when she takes a step with the left side the right will follow with a step....which is awesome for tessa because her right side is paralyzed...so we are looking forward to that...we go back to toronto july 26...to get it fitted properly...she's excied about it too. we got her a kitten last week...Rexy...so it's the new highlight of the house!"

Thanks for explaining.... The brace does sound very useful. Please keep us updated, ok?

Ling

[Guest guest]

Yes, I will be in SF,California Monday and Tuesday of this week and hope to see both Doug Haney and Diane(ToxicMoldSurvivors) Monday afternoon or evening. I visit the toxic dump in Pittsburg, Calif. Tuesday morning at 10 AM with a group of attorneys.....it is just a few minutes East of Oakland. The hotel will be somewhere in that area.....but I do not know yet. I will call.

Doug I need to review your two new manuscripts and your file on the mold poisoning case I will help you with as an expert witness.

Wednesday, I will be in LA on a poisoning case, and next week in Tenn.

and NYC.

Diane and Doug, thank you and God Bless You for all you do on ToxicMoldSurvivors, ToxTalk and Sickbuildings.

DR. RICHARD L. LIPSEY

PROFESSOR AND TOXICOLOGIST

UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA

FLORIDA COASTAL SCHOOL OF LAW

DR. R. LIPSEY WEBSITE(www.richardlipsey.com)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/29/04 3:16:17 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> Unearthing the Truth About Psychiatry is the first and only ongoing

> television program exposing the abuses of psychiatry in its role as a key

> social and

> political tool for the manipulation and control of the minds of the world

> for

> the purpose of furthering the interests of the corporate/ pharmaceutical/

> military/industrial/plutocratic complex of the " Scull and Bones " Bush

> regime--the

>

Do you have an e-mail address for Rita? I want to contact her. All of these

issues were addressed in my book Blind Reason. None of these psychiatric

drugs were ever about curing anything, it's all about control of the masses.

Blind Reason

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/29/04 3:16:17 AM Mountain Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

> Unearthing the Truth About Psychiatry is the first and only ongoing

> television program exposing the abuses of psychiatry in its role as a key

> social and

> political tool for the manipulation and control of the minds of the world

> for

> the purpose of furthering the interests of the corporate/ pharmaceutical/

> military/industrial/plutocratic complex of the " Scull and Bones " Bush

> regime--the

>

Do you have an e-mail address for Rita? I want to contact her. All of these

issues were addressed in my book Blind Reason. None of these psychiatric

drugs were ever about curing anything, it's all about control of the masses.

Blind Reason

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kit

..Message: 1

Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:19:53 -0000

From: " kitcurtin " <kitcurtin@...>

Subject: Re: tongue analysis

The Chinese view of the sclera was based on the 12 meridians and the

yin yang aspect of each meridian. The Chinese saw the lines in the

sclera reflection of principles of acupuncture. THus they interpreted

imbalance in the meridian energy registers in the sclera. The sclera

was used as a met along with tongue diagnoses and pulse diagnoses. A

certain type of line in the liver zone would reveal or confirm " heat

in the liver. " A wavy line to the spleen zone would confirm " dampness

in the spleen. " "

http://www.naturadvantage.com/sclerology.php

Kit

[Guest guest]

You can get the Spanish Exchange lists through the ADA (diabetes association) but I believe they are about $10 a booklet. Or, you can go onto a phamaceutical website such as Lilly, you should be able to send you some for free. Good Luck. wrote: There are 3 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest:1. Fwd: looking for Exchange lists in SpanishFrom: m hurtado 2. Re: Fwd: looking for Exchange lists in SpanishFrom: MacKechnie 3. Re: Fwd: looking for Exchange lists in SpanishFrom: jgzaragoza@...________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006

08:25:00 -0800 (PST)From: m hurtado Subject: Fwd: looking for Exchange lists in Spanishm hurtado wrote: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:24:17 -0800 (PST)From: m hurtado Subject: looking for Exchange lists in SpanishDear group[,--looking for Exchange lists in Spanish-- any websites or resources?Thank you,Magnolia---------------------------------Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.---------------------------------Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.[This message contained attachments]________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:21:32 -0800 (PST)From: MacKechnie

Subject: Re: Fwd: looking for Exchange lists in SpanishThe ADA sells color booklets in spanish and english. They are very useful and a good way to brush up on my Spanish!m hurtado wrote: m hurtado wrote: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:24:17 -0800 (PST)From: m hurtado Subject: looking for Exchange lists in SpanishDear group[,--looking for Exchange lists in Spanish-- any websites or resources?Thank you,Magnolia---------------------------------Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.---------------------------------Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.