Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Hi everyone, Those of you who are giving probiotics how much are you giving in a day? I am currently giving two capsules (one each of GI flora and Lactobacillus). I have two more to add to it as per doctor's recommendation one of which is Therabiotic complete and the other is Russian Choice Immune. I have yet to add Zinc and Vitamin C to his supplement intake (since I am introducing them gradually). B vitamins she will be prescribing during next visit. Do you think adding two more probiotics and the vitamin C would lead to diarrhea conditions?? Any idea...At present he is through one week of nystatin...three more weeks to go..Initial few days he had BM daily but again he is going 1 in 2 days. I wonder why. Thanks, Sudha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 the probiotics and vitamin C should not lead to diahrrea unless the vitamin c was really high. If probiotics were going to make diahrrea that would happend when he begins them. But it would level out as his intestines populated with good flora. I am unsure why she suggested so many kinds though. We only use one that has multiple strains in the billions. We give it once a day. Twice if I see yeast. Yeast usually causes the bm's to get irregular for us. That is when we increase the probiotics which might be why the doc is adding more kinds. Although the nystatin should be taking care of the yeast. Vitamin C should be fine. He needs this! zinc too. > > Hi everyone, > > Those of you who are giving probiotics how much are you giving in a > day? I am currently giving two capsules (one each of GI flora and > Lactobacillus). I have two more to add to it as per doctor's > recommendation one of which is Therabiotic complete and the other is > Russian Choice Immune. I have yet to add Zinc and Vitamin C to his > supplement intake (since I am introducing them gradually). B vitamins > she will be prescribing during next visit. Do you think adding two > more probiotics and the vitamin C would lead to diarrhea conditions?? > Any idea...At present he is through one week of nystatin...three more > weeks to go..Initial few days he had BM daily but again he is going 1 > in 2 days. I wonder why. > > Thanks, > > Sudha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Is he drinking plenty of filtered water? What's his diet like? S S <p>Hi everyone,<br> <br> Those of you who are giving probiotics how much are you giving in a <br> day? I am currently giving two capsules (one each of GI flora and <br> Lactobacillus)<wbr>. I have two more to add to it as per doctor's <br> recommendation one of which is Therabiotic complete and the other is <br> Russian Choice Immune. I have yet to add Zinc and Vitamin C to his <br> supplement intake (since I am introducing them gradually). B vitamins <br> she will be prescribing during next visit. Do you think adding two <br> more probiotics and the vitamin C would lead to diarrhea conditions?? <br> Any idea...At present he is through one week of nystatin...three more <br> weeks to go..Initial few days he had BM daily but again he is going 1 <br> in 2 days. I wonder why.<br> <br> Thanks,<br> <br> Sudha<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I took ThreeLac when I was nursing. I figured the baby needed it too. If you see any signs die-off in yourself or the baby, just slow down and take a little less each day. I only took 1 ThreeLac packet per day -- and it still reversed all my candida symptoms in a matter of days/weeks (days for some symptoms, weeks for others). Ann Marie On Mar 25, 2008, at 11:45 PM, Dani & Doug Forbess wrote: > I just received the Three Lac and am thinking of taking it soon. > However, I'm still nursing a one year old and worried about the > effects on him. Any ideas on this? I have had thrush on my tongue > for a while now. Basically, since my second son has been born (1 > yr) I've had a ton of yeast problems. I think that the second > pregnancy threw my body into disarray. I'm trying to get back on > track even with a WAP diet, but still struggling with candida. I > guess I've been worried about how everything will effect him and how > i will be able to properly care for a 3 year old and 1 year old > while the die off is happening. I would love to hear some advice on > this, particularly with respect to the nursing. > > Dani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 > > > I just received the Three Lac and am thinking of taking it soon. > > However, I'm still nursing a one year old and worried about the > > effects on him. Any ideas on this? I have had thrush on my tongue > > for a while now. Basically, since my second son has been born (1 > > yr) I've had a ton of yeast problems. I think that the second > > pregnancy threw my body into disarray. I'm trying to get back on > > track even with a WAP diet, but still struggling with candida. I > > guess I've been worried about how everything will effect him and how > > i will be able to properly care for a 3 year old and 1 year old > > while the die off is happening. I would love to hear some advice on > > this, particularly with respect to the nursing. > > > > Dani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 > > > I just received the Three Lac and am thinking of taking it soon. > > However, I'm still nursing a one year old and worried about the > > effects on him. Any ideas on this? I have had thrush on my tongue > > for a while now. Basically, since my second son has been born (1 > > yr) I've had a ton of yeast problems. I think that the second > > pregnancy threw my body into disarray. I'm trying to get back on > > track even with a WAP diet, but still struggling with candida. I > > guess I've been worried about how everything will effect him and how > > i will be able to properly care for a 3 year old and 1 year old > > while the die off is happening. I would love to hear some advice on > > this, particularly with respect to the nursing. > > > > Dani > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Yes, absolutely I think it is safe. It will help you and your baby. On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:32 PM, mildura6 wrote: > >> Hi Ann Marie! > > Do yo think it is safe to use Threelac when pregnant. I am pregnant > and have a ASD child, being worried of course about my next baby. I > did an electroacupuncture test according to which I have lots of > candida in the intestine and genital tract. So I am wondering what i > can do to reverse this state, apart from reducing sugar consuptiona > dn trying to apply bed principles' > Thanks > Marina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 > >In my recent phone consult with Dr. Natasha, she said she would actually advise remaining on full dose for 6 months in total Gidday all, While I understand that it may take a long time to heal, why you have to keep taking probee supps long term when you are taking ones that suppossedly colonize? Best wishes for your kiddie's speedy recovery. Jagrati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 While I understand that it may take a long time to heal, why you have to keep taking probee supps long term when you are taking ones that suppossedly colonize? Best wishes for your kiddie's speedy recovery. Jagrati---------> Everything I've read says that probiotics can't recolonize the intestines. They can set up conditions so that the regular bacteria can recolonize so maybe that's what McBride means. Apparently, from what I've read, even bacteria that's isolated from humans loses it's ability to attach permanently to the intestinal wall once it's grown in a lab on media. The only bacteria that can colonize are ones fresh from a person with a healthy gut. That would be the fecal implants. http://www.cdd.com.au/pdf/toyingmotions.pdf The other thing I've read is that our gut bacteria gets fairly set in our youth. These are studies that look at variations in gut bacteria and how little they change over time. I'm not sure how much we can actually change using probiotics that's permanent.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora"Not all the species in the gut have been identified[2][3] because some cannot be cultured,[7][3][11] so DNA isolation and identification is difficult.[12] Populations of species vary widely among different individuals but stay fairly constant within an individual over time.[2]. An effort to better describe the microflora of the gut and other body locations has been initiated; see Human microbiome project."Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Lynn, This has been my understanding too, that bacteria that's isolated from humans loses it's ability to attach permanently to the intestinal wall, but your thought that they may set up conditions where the beleaguered normal flora can recolonize sounds on target. Though I must say I don’t ever remember this being mentioned or discussed on the many sites about probiotics I‘ve perused. Thanks for the journal reference I hadn’t seen that yet. -- Pellicer @... From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynn Razaitis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Probiotics question ---------> Everything I've read says that probiotics can't recolonize the intestines. They can set up conditions so that the regular bacteria can recolonize so maybe that's what McBride means. Apparently, from what I've read, even bacteria that's isolated from humans loses it's ability to attach permanently to the intestinal wall once it's grown in a lab on media. The only bacteria that can colonize are ones fresh from a person with a healthy gut. That would be the fecal implants. http://www.cdd.com.au/pdf/toyingmotions.pdf The other thing I've read is that our gut bacteria gets fairly set in our youth. These are studies that look at variations in gut bacteria and how little they change over time. I'm not sure how much we can actually change using probiotics that's permanent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora " Not all the species in the gut have been identified[2][3] because some cannot be cultured,[7][3][11] so DNA isolation and identification is difficult.[12] Populations of species vary widely among different individuals but stay fairly constant within an individual over time.[2]. An effort to better describe the microflora of the gut and other body locations has been initiated; see Human microbiome project. " Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 > flora can recolonize sounds on target. Though I must say I don't ever > remember this being mentioned or discussed on the many sites about > probiotics I've perused. Thanks for the journal reference I hadn't seen > that yet. > -------->, I can't recall specifically where I read this or it might have just come from my head. A really good book on probiotics is " Bacteria for Breakfast " by Karpa. http://www.bacteriaforbreakfast.com/ Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Lynn, I’m reading Karpa’s book right now. One of the interesting things I’m trying to figure out now is the disparate recommendations on prebiotics and healing the gut flora. From what I can tell Karpa thinks they’re helpful, but they’re SCD illegal. On the candida side I know Bee Wilder http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/index.php is against them but Duncan Crow is all for them (at least Inulin) http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html both of them seem to have support groups and good success from what I can tell. It makes me think we don’t have all the variables, and people self select into the recommendations that they find by trial and error work for them, just as is true with all the wonderful detective work going on with this groups members. It would be very nice though if those variables were better known and could be ascertained other than by trial and error (which usually involves uncomfortable symptoms). Lynn, do you know of anyone else other than the Australian group doing work with fecal implants? , Pellicer @... From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynn Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Probiotics question > flora can recolonize sounds on target. Though I must say I don't ever > remember this being mentioned or discussed on the many sites about > probiotics I've perused. Thanks for the journal reference I hadn't seen > that yet. > -------->, I can't recall specifically where I read this or it might have just come from my head. A really good book on probiotics is " Bacteria for Breakfast " by Karpa. http://www.bacteriaforbreakfast.com/ Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 " Populations of species vary widely among different individuals but stay fairly constant within an individual over time.[ " They don't say whether this is with or without trying very hard to change it? Take care, Alice - HSing mom to Alice (w/DS) born Thanksgiving Day 1995 :-) Hopewell Junction, NY http://www.frontiernet.net/~castella/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hi mary,I know what you're saying on the prebiotics. I've found that FOS doesn't not work well for me..I bloat with it so it activates something. I've not tried inulin straight but am fine when I eat jicama or j. arthichokes. I think there are doctors using fecal implants in Canada but don't have names. I've come across Canadian research on it. I bet there's also US doctors but they sure don't let thier names out. Karpa is where I heard about the clinic in Australia. I think if I had a life threatening gut problem I'd be on plane with hubby pronto for that clinic.Lynn Pellicer <marypellicer@...> wrote: Lynn, I’m reading Karpa’s book right now. One of the interesting things I’m trying to figure out now is the disparate recommendations on prebiotics and healing the gut flora. From what I can tell Karpa thinks they’re helpful, but they’re SCD illegal. On the candida side I know Bee Wilder http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/index.php is against them but Duncan Crow is all for them (at least Inulin) http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html both of them seem to have support groups and good success from what I can tell. It makes me think we don’t have all the variables, and people self select into the recommendations that they find by trial and error work for them, just as is true with all the wonderful detective work going on with this groups members. It would be very nice though if those variables were better known and could be ascertained other than by trial and error (which usually involves uncomfortable symptoms). Lynn, do you know of anyone else other than the Australian group doing work with fecal implants? , Pellicer HeartHealing (DOT) net From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynn Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: [ ] Re: Probiotics question > flora can recolonize sounds on target. Though I must say I don't ever > remember this being mentioned or discussed on the many sites about > probiotics I've perused. Thanks for the journal reference I hadn't seen > that yet. > -------->, I can't recall specifically where I read this or it might have just come from my head. A really good book on probiotics is "Bacteria for Breakfast" by Karpa. http://www.bacteriaforbreakfast.com/ Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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