TD DMSA side effects of 5 year old - don't want to give up chelation but...

July 14, 2007

Hello everyone,

I wanted to ask another people's opinion about the following.

We resumed chelation with TD DMSA 3 weeks ago - every four hours, TD

DMSA alone, with all minerals supplemented, at 50 mg per dose given.

We started the round Firday after school (at about 4 pm) and things

were fine....up until the next day when my son, 5 yo, 40 lbs, would

scream way more than ususal, would be very frustrated and obviously

uncomfortable. I stopped the round Sat pm. I figured I could repeat

the round the following weekend with a lower dose - I decreased it to

25 mg per dose, yet the side effects were equally unbearable for my

son. I am thinking maybe drug intolerance, since the amount given was

so low and the TD form is not believed by many to be as well absorbed

as the oral form? Any thoughts on this problem?

We did use TD DMSA about a year ago when I chelated my son with the

help of this group - and saw some nice gains with it, despite the TD

form. I don't recall bad side effects then. However, after about 5

rounds we stopped because we started seeing a new DAN and wanted to

get some testing done before we would continue, for safety reasons.

At that time we also did NAET for DMSA, but the treatment may have

worn off by now... do you think this may be an intolerance rather than

caused by yeast being kicked up? Or, is it possible that yeast can be

so bad at even such low amounts?

Thanks for you help -

July 14, 2007

My son does this with yeast. Also have you considered the oral dmsa.

The dosing is so much more steady and controllable. It might

elminate any of these issues. Also, often times there are other

things added to the transdermal mixture that your child might be

reacting to like glutathione. Check to see what it's compounded

with. My son is 42 pounds and 4 years and takes 12.5 mg dmsa orally.

If you saw gains before, that means the dmsa would work, but maybe

not as transdermal this time. But yes, yeast can cause this even if

the yeast is not gone crazy yet.

TD is not as well absorbed as oral, yes, but what this means is that

the dosing he is receiving when it's applied is not steady nor the

same every time you put it on. These fluctuations might be too much

for him. It would make him react this way if he was not absorbing it

consistently. I am not sure anyone really does, all that I have read

points to the dosing being inconsistent with transdermal due to the

inablility to predict steady absorption rates. It changes by person,

by place applied, by metabolism..just too many variables with TD. I

know some kids seem to do ok with that, but not too many.

I would not give up! Just try a round or two with oral dmsa. The low

dose would be 6mg but you can go up to 12.5mg or so. 1/8mg-1/2mg per

pound of body weight. Doing the every four hours day and night for

three days. See how he does with that. And make sure to treat yeast,

in fact increasing the yeast protocol during a round.

Hope this helps!

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I wanted to ask another people's opinion about the following.

>

> We resumed chelation with TD DMSA 3 weeks ago - every four hours,

TD

> DMSA alone, with all minerals supplemented, at 50 mg per dose

given.

> We started the round Firday after school (at about 4 pm) and

things

> were fine....up until the next day when my son, 5 yo, 40 lbs,

would

> scream way more than ususal, would be very frustrated and

obviously

> uncomfortable. I stopped the round Sat pm. I figured I could

repeat

> the round the following weekend with a lower dose - I decreased it

to

> 25 mg per dose, yet the side effects were equally unbearable for

my

> son. I am thinking maybe drug intolerance, since the amount given

was

> so low and the TD form is not believed by many to be as well

absorbed

> as the oral form? Any thoughts on this problem?

>

> We did use TD DMSA about a year ago when I chelated my son with

the

> help of this group - and saw some nice gains with it, despite the

TD

> form. I don't recall bad side effects then. However, after about

5

> rounds we stopped because we started seeing a new DAN and wanted

to

> get some testing done before we would continue, for safety

reasons.

> At that time we also did NAET for DMSA, but the treatment may have

> worn off by now... do you think this may be an intolerance rather

than

> caused by yeast being kicked up? Or, is it possible that yeast can

be

> so bad at even such low amounts?

>

> Thanks for you help -

>

July 14, 2007

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I wanted to ask another people's opinion about the following.

>

> We resumed chelation with TD DMSA 3 weeks ago - every four hours, TD

> DMSA alone, with all minerals supplemented, at 50 mg per dose given.

> We started the round Firday after school (at about 4 pm) and things

> were fine....up until the next day when my son, 5 yo, 40 lbs, would

> scream way more than ususal, would be very frustrated and obviously

> uncomfortable. I stopped the round Sat pm. I figured I could repeat

> the round the following weekend with a lower dose

- I decreased it to

> 25 mg per dose, yet the side effects were equally unbearable for my

> son. I am thinking maybe drug intolerance, since the amount given was

> so low and the TD form is not believed by many to be as well absorbed

> as the oral form?

There could be some additive in the TD form that is not tolerated,

like possibly glutathione.

Any thoughts on this problem?

>

> We did use TD DMSA about a year ago when I chelated my son with the

> help of this group - and saw some nice gains with it, despite the TD

> form. I don't recall bad side effects then.

Were you using the same product and the same dose?

25 mg per dose TD seems high to me for a 40 lb person considering that

orally 1/8 mg/lb would work out to 5 mg per dose.

I would consider using oral chelators. They are so much easier to

work with.

What supplements are you using? Be sure to check the supplement file.

Inadequate antioxidants and Mg, Zn can lead to uncomfortable chelation.

J

However, after about 5

> rounds we stopped because we started seeing a new DAN and wanted to

> get some testing done before we would continue, for safety reasons.

> At that time we also did NAET for DMSA, but the treatment may have

> worn off by now... do you think this may be an intolerance rather than

> caused by yeast being kicked up? Or, is it possible that yeast can be

> so bad at even such low amounts?

>

> Thanks for you help -

>

July 14, 2007

Thanks !

The problem is that the TD I am using is so dense that I am only

giving 0.1 ml of the stuff, containing the 25 mg! I can only try to

go down to maybe 12.5 mg by giving him half of this already very

tiny amount of cream, hoping to be as accurate as I can possibly be!

I guess I could try that for now.

Re. oral form, my son did oral DMSA about 2 yeasr ago (wrong

protocol too) but his gut was a mess. He got sick all the time. I

thought the TD would help us eliminate the gut being affected that

badly...

I guess I could try the oral form again but honestly, I am very

concerned....

so 5 mg would be probably a good dose to start? Has anyone seen side

effects with 5 mg, with the oral form?

Re. additives in the TD, I will check with the pahrmacy and maybe to

NAET for the cream....

Thanks again!

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I wanted to ask another people's opinion about the following.

> >

> > We resumed chelation with TD DMSA 3 weeks ago - every four

hours, TD

> > DMSA alone, with all minerals supplemented, at 50 mg per dose

given.

> > We started the round Firday after school (at about 4 pm) and

things

> > were fine....up until the next day when my son, 5 yo, 40 lbs,

would

> > scream way more than ususal, would be very frustrated and

obviously

> > uncomfortable. I stopped the round Sat pm. I figured I could

repeat

> > the round the following weekend with a lower dose

>

> - I decreased it to

> > 25 mg per dose, yet the side effects were equally unbearable for

my

> > son. I am thinking maybe drug intolerance, since the amount

given was

> > so low and the TD form is not believed by many to be as well

absorbed

> > as the oral form?

>

> There could be some additive in the TD form that is not tolerated,

> like possibly glutathione.

>

> Any thoughts on this problem?

> >

> > We did use TD DMSA about a year ago when I chelated my son with

the

> > help of this group - and saw some nice gains with it, despite

the TD

> > form. I don't recall bad side effects then.

>

> Were you using the same product and the same dose?

>

> 25 mg per dose TD seems high to me for a 40 lb person considering

that

> orally 1/8 mg/lb would work out to 5 mg per dose.

>

> I would consider using oral chelators. They are so much easier to

> work with.

>

> What supplements are you using? Be sure to check the supplement

file.

> Inadequate antioxidants and Mg, Zn can lead to uncomfortable

chelation.

>

> J

>

> However, after about 5

> > rounds we stopped because we started seeing a new DAN and wanted

to

> > get some testing done before we would continue, for safety

reasons.

> > At that time we also did NAET for DMSA, but the treatment may

have

> > worn off by now... do you think this may be an intolerance

rather than

> > caused by yeast being kicked up? Or, is it possible that yeast

can be

> > so bad at even such low amounts?

> >

> > Thanks for you help -

> >

>

July 14, 2007

Thanks Jan! Your arguments/explanation make good sense. I will buy

the oral form and try again....will let you know how it goes. Also,

thanks for the encouragement. I really don't want to throw in the

towel yet knowing all the mercury exposure my son had during

pregnancy.........but he is just so very sensitive to everything!

Thanks again,

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I wanted to ask another people's opinion about the following.

> >

> > We resumed chelation with TD DMSA 3 weeks ago - every four

hours,

> TD

> > DMSA alone, with all minerals supplemented, at 50 mg per dose

> given.

> > We started the round Firday after school (at about 4 pm) and

> things

> > were fine....up until the next day when my son, 5 yo, 40 lbs,

> would

> > scream way more than ususal, would be very frustrated and

> obviously

> > uncomfortable. I stopped the round Sat pm. I figured I could

> repeat

> > the round the following weekend with a lower dose - I decreased

it

> to

> > 25 mg per dose, yet the side effects were equally unbearable for

> my

> > son. I am thinking maybe drug intolerance, since the amount

given

> was

> > so low and the TD form is not believed by many to be as well

> absorbed

> > as the oral form? Any thoughts on this problem?

> >

> > We did use TD DMSA about a year ago when I chelated my son with

> the

> > help of this group - and saw some nice gains with it, despite

the

> TD

> > form. I don't recall bad side effects then. However, after

about

> 5

> > rounds we stopped because we started seeing a new DAN and wanted

> to

> > get some testing done before we would continue, for safety

> reasons.

> > At that time we also did NAET for DMSA, but the treatment may

have

> > worn off by now... do you think this may be an intolerance

rather

> than

> > caused by yeast being kicked up? Or, is it possible that yeast

can

> be

> > so bad at even such low amounts?

> >

> > Thanks for you help -

> >

>

July 14, 2007

> Re. oral form, my son did oral DMSA about 2 yeasr ago (wrong

> protocol too) but his gut was a mess. He got sick all the time. I

> thought the TD would help us eliminate the gut being affected that

> badly...

It's the wrong protocol and high doses (redistribution) that is hard

on the gut. Using TD won't help that issue (unless it helps by

lowering the amount of drug that actually gets in, but it sounds like

your son is getting too much by the TD route).

See the neutrophil file and the diet file in the files section for

some ideas to help with gut problems.

J

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I wanted to ask another people's opinion about the following.

> > >

> > > We resumed chelation with TD DMSA 3 weeks ago - every four

> hours, TD

> > > DMSA alone, with all minerals supplemented, at 50 mg per dose

> given.

> > > We started the round Firday after school (at about 4 pm) and

> things

> > > were fine....up until the next day when my son, 5 yo, 40 lbs,

> would

> > > scream way more than ususal, would be very frustrated and

> obviously

> > > uncomfortable. I stopped the round Sat pm. I figured I could

> repeat

> > > the round the following weekend with a lower dose

> >

> > - I decreased it to

> > > 25 mg per dose, yet the side effects were equally unbearable for

> my

> > > son. I am thinking maybe drug intolerance, since the amount

> given was

> > > so low and the TD form is not believed by many to be as well

> absorbed

> > > as the oral form?

> >

> > There could be some additive in the TD form that is not tolerated,

> > like possibly glutathione.

> >

> > Any thoughts on this problem?

> > >

> > > We did use TD DMSA about a year ago when I chelated my son with

> the

> > > help of this group - and saw some nice gains with it, despite

> the TD

> > > form. I don't recall bad side effects then.

> >

> > Were you using the same product and the same dose?

> >

> > 25 mg per dose TD seems high to me for a 40 lb person considering

> that

> > orally 1/8 mg/lb would work out to 5 mg per dose.

> >

> > I would consider using oral chelators. They are so much easier to

> > work with.

> >

> > What supplements are you using? Be sure to check the supplement

> file.

> > Inadequate antioxidants and Mg, Zn can lead to uncomfortable

> chelation.

> >

> > J

> >

> > However, after about 5

> > > rounds we stopped because we started seeing a new DAN and wanted

> to

> > > get some testing done before we would continue, for safety

> reasons.

> > > At that time we also did NAET for DMSA, but the treatment may

> have

> > > worn off by now... do you think this may be an intolerance

> rather than

> > > caused by yeast being kicked up? Or, is it possible that yeast

> can be

> > > so bad at even such low amounts?

> > >

> > > Thanks for you help -

> > >

> >

>

July 15, 2007

Hi ! nice to see you " back " . Sorry you are having this difficulty. I

second what Jan has said, try the oral which is much easier to keep in the

system in a more consistent basis.

Yes, we saw improvements from the beginning with just 5 mgs of Dmsa so using

small amounts does have benefits, even just 5 mgs.

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