Re: Stimming and Regressing - Pls help

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You said he is on all the supps.

The high dose suppositories were dangerous. And could be part of the

problem. No chelator should be dosed like this.

Is he still on yeast protocol? If so what protocol, how often etc.

It is possible that it's too soon to use ALA for him. or that the

dose needs to be a heck of a lot lower. What dose? Is it given every

three hours? Try a lower dose at 2 hours. Or stop altogether and do

more dmsa rounds with Andy's protocol.

Copper would not cause these problems. Did he have high copper on

hair testing? Is he on molybdenum and zinc? This would help balance

copper.

The improper dmsa chelation done previously can have implications

that are not always apparent immediately. What homeopathics stuff

are you using? We needs all the details of everything he is on and

how much etc, to pinpoint a suspected problem. At this time I would

hold back the ALA until it's figured out and continue using proper

protocol for the dmsa. Many people need a lot of rounds on dmsa

alone before they can do ala.

>

> Hi All,

>

> I am very puzzled by what is going on with my son. He is close to

4

> years and we are in our 15th round of DMSA/ALA (6th round of ALA

and

> 15 rounds of DMSA) using AC protocol. We are at 1/3mg per pound

of

> body weight dosage.

> He has started this verbal and visual stim which is nonstop after

i

> added ALA. After lot of eliminations of what could be going on ,

i

> think it started when i started ALA. I have done yeast protocol

> ranging from mild to severe and i dont think its yeast.

We did the

> blood work for liver function & minerals and everything came out

> normal (i was thinking maybe copper coz of ALA).

Before starting AC

> protocol , he was on DMSA suppositories --huge does. He was

lethargic

> on that but nothing like this..

>

> I saw him in school today and couldnt help crying. He was lost ,

> stimming all the time(visual - having his fingers close to eyes

and

> moving it, verbal stim -- goes lululu all the time) totally

unaware

> and looked so wierd. He was never like this. He looks more

austistic

> now then ever before, doesnt use any language. I am very scared

now.

> I just dont know what am missing. I have all supplements in place

> according to Andy list , homeopathic drainage , yeast protocol ,

> liver support , antioxidants, diet etc.

>

> Should i stop everything for sometime ? I am totally scared and

> paranoid now.

>

> Thanks for the input . Pls give me some feedback.

> Kavitha

>

[Guest guest]

Kavitha,

My comments are interspersed.

> I am very puzzled by what is going on with my son. He is close to 4

> years and we are in our 15th round of DMSA/ALA (6th round of ALA

and

> 15 rounds of DMSA) using AC protocol. We are at 1/3mg per pound of

> body weight dosage.

Do you mean 1/3 mg of each ALA and DMSA? This would be too much for

my son, and he has done 60 rounds of chelation.

> He has started this verbal and visual stim which is nonstop after i

> added ALA. After lot of eliminations of what could be going on , i

> think it started when i started ALA. I have done yeast protocol

> ranging from mild to severe and i dont think its yeast. We did the

> blood work for liver function & minerals and everything came out

> normal (i was thinking maybe copper coz of ALA). Before starting

AC

> protocol , he was on DMSA suppositories --huge does. He was

lethargic

> on that but nothing like this..

>

> I saw him in school today and couldnt help crying. He was lost ,

> stimming all the time(visual - having his fingers close to eyes and

> moving it, verbal stim -- goes lululu all the time) totally

unaware

> and looked so wierd. He was never like this. He looks more

austistic

> now then ever before, doesnt use any language.

Does he look like this at home too, or just at school?

I am very scared now.

> I just dont know what am missing. I have all supplements in place

> according to Andy list , homeopathic drainage , yeast protocol ,

> liver support , antioxidants, diet etc.

I would consider stopping the ALA and continuing with the DMSA. Or

as you suggested, another option might be to stop chelation for a few

weeks and try to deal with any yeast there may be and getting

minerals back to optimal levels. See if discontinuing the DMSA/ALA

does anything good.

I would also consider that it may have nothing to do with the

chelation. In my son's case, I overlooked some of his problems

because I was kind of attributing them to the stall phase of

chelation. Sometimes things just happen at the same time by

coincidence. In my son's case, it was adrenal fatigue that was

causing him to stim more.

I hope you find your answers soon.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The DMSA supps were stopped 5 months back. He was fine after that

with just DMSA using AC protocol for about 8 rounds. I think only

after ALA am seeing the issues.

He is on a rotation yeast protocol . I give a mild protocol everyday

and a intense one during and after chelation. I rotate GSE, SF722,

caprylic Acid and i also have lots of probiotics in place.

He is on 12mg of ALA and 12 mg of DMSA every 3 hours during day and 4

at night. I am thinking of stopping ALA for now and trying later. He

weighs about 33 lbs. Is it too much ? I started at 7mg and ramped

up.

He is on molybdenum and zinc and his recent blood work confirmed that

all the mineral levels are in green . His calcium was in 16th

percentile a little low. Zinc was good 45th percentile.

I use Homeopathic drainage for Kidney and liver drainage. This is

from a very good holistic pediatrician i go to (where i do bioset)

and it has helped him a lot with chelation .

I think i will stop ALA for now .

Anita, to answer your question on how he is in home, he is much

better, good eye contact but still stims in not engaged. In school he

stims all the time since he doesnt care to be engaged. I think the

stim happens whenever he has nothing to do (which is most of the

time ..lol)

Thanks,

Kavitha

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I am very puzzled by what is going on with my son. He is close to

> 4

> > years and we are in our 15th round of DMSA/ALA (6th round of ALA

> and

> > 15 rounds of DMSA) using AC protocol. We are at 1/3mg per pound

> of

> > body weight dosage.

> > He has started this verbal and visual stim which is nonstop after

> i

> > added ALA. After lot of eliminations of what could be going on ,

> i

> > think it started when i started ALA. I have done yeast protocol

> > ranging from mild to severe and i dont think its yeast.

> We did the

> > blood work for liver function & minerals and everything came out

> > normal (i was thinking maybe copper coz of ALA).

> Before starting AC

> > protocol , he was on DMSA suppositories --huge does. He was

> lethargic

> > on that but nothing like this..

> >

> > I saw him in school today and couldnt help crying. He was lost ,

> > stimming all the time(visual - having his fingers close to eyes

> and

> > moving it, verbal stim -- goes lululu all the time) totally

> unaware

> > and looked so wierd. He was never like this. He looks more

> austistic

> > now then ever before, doesnt use any language. I am very scared

> now.

> > I just dont know what am missing. I have all supplements in

place

> > according to Andy list , homeopathic drainage , yeast protocol ,

> > liver support , antioxidants, diet etc.

> >

> > Should i stop everything for sometime ? I am totally scared and

> > paranoid now.

> >

> > Thanks for the input . Pls give me some feedback.

> > Kavitha

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kavitha,

I give a mild protocol everyday

> and a intense one during and after chelation. I rotate GSE, SF722,

> caprylic Acid and i also have lots of probiotics in place.

You may want to reconsider rotating antifungals. Andy has spoken

about how rotating them frequently is a good way to allow the yeast

to build up resistance.

>

> He is on 12mg of ALA and 12 mg of DMSA every 3 hours during day and

4

> at night. I am thinking of stopping ALA for now and trying later.

He

> weighs about 33 lbs. Is it too much ? I started at 7mg and ramped

> up.

This would be too much for my son. I chelate myself, and after about

8 rounds I realized that I was feeling hit pretty hard by my dose,

which was only 25 mg of ALA. I also wasn't doing a very good job

with my supplements too, which is stupid, but to put things in

perspective, I weigh almost 5 times as much as your son and am taking

approximately the same amount of chelator, and I have a hard time

believing I am as toxic as our kids. If our kids can't speak, it is

hard to say how they would communicate feeling lousy, but I would

think stimming would be one of them.

> Anita, to answer your question on how he is in home, he is much

> better, good eye contact but still stims in not engaged. In school

he

> stims all the time since he doesnt care to be engaged. I think the

> stim happens whenever he has nothing to do (which is most of the

> time ..lol)

:-)! Well, this may be a clue that the stimming is a way of dealing

with stress, in which case reducing the stress of chelation by

reducing the dose and/or taking a break for a bit seems like a good

strategy.

Anita

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I am very puzzled by what is going on with my son. He is close to

> > 4

> > > years and we are in our 15th round of DMSA/ALA (6th round of ALA

> > and

> > > 15 rounds of DMSA) using AC protocol. We are at 1/3mg per pound

> > of

> > > body weight dosage.

> > > He has started this verbal and visual stim which is nonstop after

> > i

> > > added ALA. After lot of eliminations of what could be going on ,

> > i

> > > think it started when i started ALA. I have done yeast protocol

> > > ranging from mild to severe and i dont think its yeast.

> > We did the

> > > blood work for liver function & minerals and everything came out

> > > normal (i was thinking maybe copper coz of ALA).

> > Before starting AC

> > > protocol , he was on DMSA suppositories --huge does. He was

> > lethargic

> > > on that but nothing like this..

> > >

> > > I saw him in school today and couldnt help crying. He was lost ,

> > > stimming all the time(visual - having his fingers close to eyes

> > and

> > > moving it, verbal stim -- goes lululu all the time) totally

> > unaware

> > > and looked so wierd. He was never like this. He looks more

> > austistic

> > > now then ever before, doesnt use any language. I am very scared

> > now.

> > > I just dont know what am missing. I have all supplements in

> place

> > > according to Andy list , homeopathic drainage , yeast protocol ,

> > > liver support , antioxidants, diet etc.

> > >

> > > Should i stop everything for sometime ? I am totally scared and

> > > paranoid now.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the input . Pls give me some feedback.

> > > Kavitha

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I saw him in school today and couldnt help crying. He was lost ,

> stimming all the time(visual - having his fingers close to eyes and

> moving it, verbal stim -- goes lululu all the time)

For my son, this meant a lot of different things, one of which was

yeast. What products and doses were you using for your " severe yeast

protocol " ? For example, there was a time during ALA chelation when I

had to give my son more than 50 drops of GSE per day, just to keep the

yeast somewhat under control.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

I use Candidase enzyme in somewhat empty stomach followed by the

yeast-aid either GSE or MCT oil(caprylic) or SF722 (castor bean oil)

atleast 2x a day . When i mean agressive, i use maybe 5 drops of

GSE per dosage, 2 tabs of sf 722, 11/2 spoons of MCT oil which is

something like 4-5 gms of caprylic acid per dose (one of them

depending on the agent am rotating) . Usually my son's yeasty

symptoms are gas, giggly-silly , red ring around anus and night

waking. None of this has happenend in a while which is why i

thought no yeast . I guess i have to re-visit my protocol or atleast

my term " severe protocol " ...lol . The stool test also came out

negative (for whatever its worth.. am sick of that test not showing

up anything)

As of now, am going to give him a break and start yeast protocol /

gut healing and then re-ramp again. Do you think its virus stirred

up coz of chelation causing the visual stims.. i read that visual

stims are mostly virus-related ?

Thanks,

Kavitha

> > I saw him in school today and couldnt help crying. He was lost ,

> > stimming all the time(visual - having his fingers close to eyes

and

> > moving it, verbal stim -- goes lululu all the time)

>

>

> For my son, this meant a lot of different things, one of which was

> yeast. What products and doses were you using for your " severe

yeast

> protocol " ? For example, there was a time during ALA chelation

when I

> had to give my son more than 50 drops of GSE per day, just to keep

the

> yeast somewhat under control.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> As of now, am going to give him a break and start yeast protocol /

> gut healing and then re-ramp again. Do you think its virus stirred

> up coz of chelation causing the visual stims.. i read that visual

> stims are mostly virus-related ?

For my son, visuals were caused by several things, primarily viruses,

yeast, and B vitamin deficiency. More info here

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

Dana