Re: Need Help with older child, emotional problems

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> My almost 12 year old is off the wall lately. No matter what supps

> she is on, no matter what we try. She is moody, beligerant, slipping

> in grades, mouthy, depressed, negative, very touchy, sensitive to

> noise, touch.

Sound sensitivity, for my son, meant yeast overgrowth.

>>She always gets an increase

> in these mood type problems after a round.

This would be an indicator of yeast overgrowth or mineral deficiency

[or toxicity].

Any supplement that she no longer needs, can cause the problems you

indicate. I will give you some specific additional comments below.

> 8,000 IU Vit A

If she has reached toxicity, additional vitamin A can cause the

problems you indicate.

> 400 IU Vit E

Same as above comment.

> chromium 200 mcg per meal (she says this makes her sick, but she has

> hypoglycemic symptoms)

If you give it after the meal and it still makes her sick, for my #1

that meant he no longer needed the supplement.

> molybdenum 200mcg a day

This is a high dose.

> Vit K 100mcg

My son only needed this dose for about a week, then I had to drop it.

> Calcium 500mg

My son was calcium toxic.

> flaxseed-she doesnt take this everday though

> Primrose oil-500mg

These caused major problems once my son no longer needed them.

> She's supposed to take b50 2-3x a day, but she forgets it.

When my son needed this, not giving it would cause problems.

Dana

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My daughter is nine years old she has similar problems

But I started using MB12 nasal spray and it really calms her down

I found out it works the hard way this past week she has been having meltdowns

hitting punching and kicking the teacher's aides in her class. Today I had

renewed her

presciption and made sure she got her nasal spray before she went to school.

the teacher mentioned that she was just fine today. So ya it works !

Hope this helps

paul

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

> My almost 12 year old is off the wall lately. No matter what supps

> she is on, no matter what we try. She is moody, beligerant, slipping

> in grades, mouthy, depressed, negative, very touchy, sensitive to

> noise, touch.

Sound sensitivity, for my son, meant yeast overgrowth.

>>She always gets an increase

> in these mood type problems after a round.

This would be an indicator of yeast overgrowth or mineral deficiency

[or toxicity].

Any supplement that she no longer needs, can cause the problems you

indicate. I will give you some specific additional comments below.

> 8,000 IU Vit A

If she has reached toxicity, additional vitamin A can cause the

problems you indicate.

> 400 IU Vit E

Same as above comment.

> chromium 200 mcg per meal (she says this makes her sick, but she has

> hypoglycemic symptoms)

If you give it after the meal and it still makes her sick, for my #1

that meant he no longer needed the supplement.

> molybdenum 200mcg a day

This is a high dose.

> Vit K 100mcg

My son only needed this dose for about a week, then I had to drop it.

> Calcium 500mg

My son was calcium toxic.

> flaxseed-she doesnt take this everday though

> Primrose oil-500mg

These caused major problems once my son no longer needed them.

> She's supposed to take b50 2-3x a day, but she forgets it.

When my son needed this, not giving it would cause problems.

Dana

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What's her diet like?

S S

My almost 12 year old is off the wall lately. No matter what supps

she is on, no matter what we try. She is moody, beligerant, slipping

in grades, mouthy, depressed, negative, very touchy, sensitive to

noise, touch. Talking about how she hates herself and everything

else. She is impossible to live with lately.

I know she feels bad, no matter what we do, nothing helps. We talk

all the time about it, and what might help. Or what might be making

her feel that way. It's not school, this doesn't seem to be external.

She doesn't know why she is feeling like this.

The moods have been a constant problem, that was getting better for

a bit but now its getting worse. To the point I fear that she might

have to be medicated. Which I absolutely am against.

She is Hg toxic. She has had 11 rounds. She always gets an increase

in these mood type problems after a round. I know it's metals.

I just don't know what I am missing to help alleviate some of it

while we work on healing. I am sure somewhere I know the answer, but

I am so stressed that I can't think straight lately.

She is on:

adrenal cortex extract 1-2caps

8,000 IU Vit A

400 IU Vit E

1500-2000 mg of C

400-600mg Mag

50mg Zinc

probiotic

Yeast Aid

chromium 200 mcg per meal (she says this makes her sick, but she has

hypoglycemic symptoms)

molybdenum 200mcg a day

Vit K 100mcg

Calcium 500mg

flaxseed-she doesnt take this everday though

melatonin-1mg

Primrose oil-500mg

She's supposed to take b50 2-3x a day, but she forgets it.

High Vitamin Cod liver oil: 8,000 IU A, and 400 Vit D plus other

efa's

Just this past week I gave her lithium 5mg, but only once every

other day. Sometimes this snaps her out of this, but not so far this

time.

She has always had problems like this since she was like 8. It was

lifting when we began chelation and up until lately was manageable.

She also has PMS symptoms (her hair copper was normal, but I suspect

with PMS otherwise, she shows signs of estrogen dominance also)

Her last round was ala only, and it seems like she has gone even

more downhill since then. We did not use the dmsa because she has

demineralization of her teeth. Which we are trying to correct via

Weston Price. All her previous rounds were dmsa alone or dmsa/ala

which she tolerate with minor symptoms.

I just don't know what to do with this kid. She is suffering. I know

we have to do more chelation and on a faster pace. With school, we

have not been able to do it as much as we should. This summer I plan

to do a round every week on her. She hates rounds though, because

she gets depressed and moodier.

Oh sorry, more vital info..She is 120 pounds. We use 12.5mg of dmsa

or ala or both on 3-4 hour protocol, three days on. (Andy's way or

no way)

I appreciate if any of the long timers here could give this a

whirl...

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One needs to use folic or folinic acid along with B12.

S S

My daughter is nine years old she has similar problems

But I started using MB12 nasal spray and it really calms her down

I found out it works the hard way this past week she has been having meltdowns

hitting punching and kicking the teacher's aides in her class. Today I had

renewed her

presciption and made sure she got her nasal spray before she went to school.

the teacher mentioned that she was just fine today. So ya it works !

Hope this helps

paul

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Just to add a few more thoughts:

I have heard that for some people, sound sensitivity is caused by a

magnesium deficiency.

For ME, when I begin " forgetting " to take a particular supplement (or

medication), it often means I don't need it anymore or don't need as much of

it. Of course, being overwhelmed and sick can also cause one to fail to do

things. But if it were my child, I would wonder if the things she " forgets "

to take are something she no longer needs or if they contain an ingredient

she reacts badly to. I would start observing her for indicators as to how

she is reacting.

For me, when I was chelating, if I became mercury toxic (headache, nausea)

from taking a chelator, a warm bath and some guafenisen helped to relieve

the symptoms of toxicity. Since I still have a whole lot of different

metals in my mouth, I still take extra guafenisen when I get the type of

sinus headache that I associate with metals leaking from the dental work in

my mouth. I usually take half a pill and if that doesn't resolve it, I take

the other half. If that doesn't resolve it, I take more after that. I have

had to take as much as 3 pills on a very bad day. They are 400mg each.

Most days, for my respiratory problems, I take half a pill for " maintenance "

(that is 200 mg).

In my household, when I or my kids are sick, we take additional adrenal

support. I also take additional coconut oil at that time because it helps

support the thyroid. When the body is under stress, the adrenals run on

high. When they get exhausted, it starts affecting the thyroid. Since I am

recovering from a lifetime of illness, I routinely do both adrenal support

and coconut oil and I increase the amount when there is some crisis. I have

also had good results with eating yams or sweet potatoes and with taking

wild yam capsules as a supplement. Yam provides adrenal support without

drug side effects and is one of the ingredients in the adrenal support

product I take.

Really bad hypoglycemia can cause some of the stuff you have described. I

suffered from it for many years. Hypoglycemia will put the adrenals into

high gear and will give you a rush of adrenaline, which will put you on

edge. If you don't know it is a physiological reaction to low blood sugar

and if it is something that happens constantly, living with chronic low

blood sugar will begin to make you paranoid. It can seriously interfere

with sleep -- and I find that good sleep is a really big deal -- it can

cause nightmares, itchy skin, and probably (though I can't swear to it)

noise sensitivity and touch sensitivity from being primed on adrenaline.

When this goes on a LOT, it uses up the body's emergency supply of stored

sugar and it becomes a constant state of physical crisis which promotes a

constant state of emotional crisis. It takes a long time to fix this once

this happens.

Although my genetic disorder is supposed to cause " pancreatic insufficiency "

in most folks who have it and I am supposed to require digestive enzymes for

the rest of my life, I have managed to reverse that by taking sea salt,

glyconutrients, and coconut oil and making dietary changes. I no longer

require digestive enzymes and I am no longer severely vulnerable to

hypoglycemia. During crisis periods when my gut gets out of whack, I also

find the following helpful: eating lettuce every day (or several days a

week), eating organic yogurt once or twice a day, and limiting or

eliminating any foods which contain or promote yeast.

For me, any menstrual problems are a side effect of my body trying to purge

something. In fact, I have had periods start apparently in reaction to my

need to purge something. I used to have bad PMS and bad cramps with my

periods. Most of my menstrual problems went away many years ago from making

dietary changes. In recent years, with resolving my serious health

problems, my periods are no longer anemic and the only real symptoms I have

is that I am more emotionally vulnerable the first day of my period and I am

tired the first day of my period and sometimes the day before as well. I

have heard that a lot of toxins are estrogen mimics. I have heard that

bleach is a big offender in that regard and so are perfumes -- including any

perfumes in any cleaning products. I think that also applies to pesticides

but I am not sure. I never have bleach in my house and have removed most

commercial cleaning products from my life. We go through tons of peroxide.

It biodegrades into oxygen and water.

Depression can be a sign of problems with certain brain chemicals. I want

to say tryptophan and seratonin but I am not sure if I am remembering that

correctly. Certain foods can boost seratonin levels in the brain and

seratonin is often a problem for ASD kids. I am thinking tryptophan in

foods becomes seratonin in the body. If anyone remembers this stuff better

than I do, please help clarify. Thanks.

HTH,

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I forgot to add that this child is NT. Other than being neurotic

lately.

I thank everyone for their suggestions. We will try pulling the

Molybdenum. 200 micrograms is well below the amount per weight but

who knows..maybe she can't tolerate it now. She is deficient in the

minerals we are giving.

The b vites she needs for the pms, she forgets because she would

have to get them out of the bottle rather than her vitamin caddy. We

can't leave them in the caddy because of humidity, they get mushy.

Perhaps I need to pull everything and slowly start over. She was

tolerating all the supplements before the last round. But as I

said, this problem keeps coming back, maybe it is a part of moving

metals. I just need to find something calming to get her through it.

I may try raising the adrenal support. Who knows...but thank you

everyone.

Her diet is pretty good. Not calcium toxic. All her supps are

probably lower than the recomended for her weight.

>

> Just to add a few more thoughts:

>

> I have heard that for some people, sound sensitivity is caused by a

> magnesium deficiency.

>

> For ME, when I begin " forgetting " to take a particular supplement

(or

> medication), it often means I don't need it anymore or don't need

as much of

> it. Of course, being overwhelmed and sick can also cause one to

fail to do

> things. But if it were my child, I would wonder if the things

she " forgets "

> to take are something she no longer needs or if they contain an

ingredient

> she reacts badly to. I would start observing her for indicators

as to how

> she is reacting.

>

> For me, when I was chelating, if I became mercury toxic (headache,

nausea)

> from taking a chelator, a warm bath and some guafenisen helped to

relieve

> the symptoms of toxicity. Since I still have a whole lot of

different

> metals in my mouth, I still take extra guafenisen when I get the

type of

> sinus headache that I associate with metals leaking from the

dental work in

> my mouth. I usually take half a pill and if that doesn't resolve

it, I take

> the other half. If that doesn't resolve it, I take more after

that. I have

> had to take as much as 3 pills on a very bad day. They are 400mg

each.

> Most days, for my respiratory problems, I take half a pill

for " maintenance "

> (that is 200 mg).

>

> In my household, when I or my kids are sick, we take additional

adrenal

> support. I also take additional coconut oil at that time because

it helps

> support the thyroid. When the body is under stress, the adrenals

run on

> high. When they get exhausted, it starts affecting the thyroid.

Since I am

> recovering from a lifetime of illness, I routinely do both adrenal

support

> and coconut oil and I increase the amount when there is some

crisis. I have

> also had good results with eating yams or sweet potatoes and with

taking

> wild yam capsules as a supplement. Yam provides adrenal support

without

> drug side effects and is one of the ingredients in the adrenal

support

> product I take.

>

> Really bad hypoglycemia can cause some of the stuff you have

described. I

> suffered from it for many years. Hypoglycemia will put the

adrenals into

> high gear and will give you a rush of adrenaline, which will put

you on

> edge. If you don't know it is a physiological reaction to low

blood sugar

> and if it is something that happens constantly, living with

chronic low

> blood sugar will begin to make you paranoid. It can seriously

interfere

> with sleep -- and I find that good sleep is a really big deal --

it can

> cause nightmares, itchy skin, and probably (though I can't swear

to it)

> noise sensitivity and touch sensitivity from being primed on

adrenaline.

> When this goes on a LOT, it uses up the body's emergency supply of

stored

> sugar and it becomes a constant state of physical crisis which

promotes a

> constant state of emotional crisis. It takes a long time to fix

this once

> this happens.

>

> Although my genetic disorder is supposed to cause " pancreatic

insufficiency "

> in most folks who have it and I am supposed to require digestive

enzymes for

> the rest of my life, I have managed to reverse that by taking sea

salt,

> glyconutrients, and coconut oil and making dietary changes. I no

longer

> require digestive enzymes and I am no longer severely vulnerable to

> hypoglycemia. During crisis periods when my gut gets out of

whack, I also

> find the following helpful: eating lettuce every day (or several

days a

> week), eating organic yogurt once or twice a day, and limiting or

> eliminating any foods which contain or promote yeast.

>

> For me, any menstrual problems are a side effect of my body trying

to purge

> something. In fact, I have had periods start apparently in

reaction to my

> need to purge something. I used to have bad PMS and bad cramps

with my

> periods. Most of my menstrual problems went away many years ago

from making

> dietary changes. In recent years, with resolving my serious health

> problems, my periods are no longer anemic and the only real

symptoms I have

> is that I am more emotionally vulnerable the first day of my

period and I am

> tired the first day of my period and sometimes the day before as

well. I

> have heard that a lot of toxins are estrogen mimics. I have heard

that

> bleach is a big offender in that regard and so are perfumes --

including any

> perfumes in any cleaning products. I think that also applies to

pesticides

> but I am not sure. I never have bleach in my house and have

removed most

> commercial cleaning products from my life. We go through tons of

peroxide.

> It biodegrades into oxygen and water.

>

> Depression can be a sign of problems with certain brain

chemicals. I want

> to say tryptophan and seratonin but I am not sure if I am

remembering that

> correctly. Certain foods can boost seratonin levels in the brain

and

> seratonin is often a problem for ASD kids. I am thinking

tryptophan in

> foods becomes seratonin in the body. If anyone remembers this

stuff better

> than I do, please help clarify. Thanks.

>

> HTH,

>

> --

> Michele -- Webmaster of Health Gazelle

>

> talithamichele@...

> http://www.atraceofme.com

> http://www.healthgazelle.org

>

>

> " There is freedom within. There is freedom without. Try to catch

the deluge

> in a paper cup. "

> -- Crowded House

>

>

>

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It's not too bad. She ocassionally cheats with a sweet. But no soda,

no sugar subs, no sugar (just xylitol), mostly all natural. no milk.

The only food she seems to have problems with is milk. And she has

been off that for a couple years.

I do find some correlation with some of her mood swings in relation

to low blood sugar. But not all, often times she has eaten but she

is still depressed and thinking negatively. Still reactive.

I am wondering if maybe adrenal support alone is not enough, maybe

she needs some thyroid help? Or more adrenal. I wish I had more

definitive testing but we don't.

>

> My almost 12 year old is off the wall lately. No

matter what supps

> she is on, no matter what we try. She is moody, beligerant,

slipping

> in grades, mouthy, depressed, negative, very touchy, sensitive to

> noise, touch. Talking about how she hates herself and everything

> else. She is impossible to live with lately.

> I know she feels bad, no matter what we do, nothing helps. We talk

> all the time about it, and what might help. Or what might be

making

> her feel that way. It's not school, this doesn't seem to be

external.

> She doesn't know why she is feeling like this.

> The moods have been a constant problem, that was getting better

for

> a bit but now its getting worse. To the point I fear that she

might

> have to be medicated. Which I absolutely am against.

> She is Hg toxic. She has had 11 rounds. She always gets an

increase

> in these mood type problems after a round. I know it's metals.

> I just don't know what I am missing to help alleviate some of it

> while we work on healing. I am sure somewhere I know the answer,

but

> I am so stressed that I can't think straight lately.

> She is on:

> adrenal cortex extract 1-2caps

> 8,000 IU Vit A

> 400 IU Vit E

> 1500-2000 mg of C

> 400-600mg Mag

> 50mg Zinc

> probiotic

> Yeast Aid

> chromium 200 mcg per meal (she says this makes her sick, but she

has

> hypoglycemic symptoms)

> molybdenum 200mcg a day

> Vit K 100mcg

> Calcium 500mg

> flaxseed-she doesnt take this everday though

> melatonin-1mg

> Primrose oil-500mg

> She's supposed to take b50 2-3x a day, but she forgets it.

> High Vitamin Cod liver oil: 8,000 IU A, and 400 Vit D plus other

> efa's

>

> Just this past week I gave her lithium 5mg, but only once every

> other day. Sometimes this snaps her out of this, but not so far

this

> time.

>

> She has always had problems like this since she was like 8. It was

> lifting when we began chelation and up until lately was manageable.

> She also has PMS symptoms (her hair copper was normal, but I

suspect

> with PMS otherwise, she shows signs of estrogen dominance also)

>

> Her last round was ala only, and it seems like she has gone even

> more downhill since then. We did not use the dmsa because she has

> demineralization of her teeth. Which we are trying to correct via

> Weston Price. All her previous rounds were dmsa alone or dmsa/ala

> which she tolerate with minor symptoms.

> I just don't know what to do with this kid. She is suffering. I

know

> we have to do more chelation and on a faster pace. With school, we

> have not been able to do it as much as we should. This summer I

plan

> to do a round every week on her. She hates rounds though, because

> she gets depressed and moodier.

> Oh sorry, more vital info..She is 120 pounds. We use 12.5mg of

dmsa

> or ala or both on 3-4 hour protocol, three days on. (Andy's way or

> no way)

> I appreciate if any of the long timers here could give this a

> whirl...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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>

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What about carbs?

S S

It's not too bad. She ocassionally cheats with a sweet. But no soda,

no sugar subs, no sugar (just xylitol), mostly all natural. no milk.

The only food she seems to have problems with is milk. And she has

been off that for a couple years.

I do find some correlation with some of her mood swings in relation

to low blood sugar. But not all, often times she has eaten but she

is still depressed and thinking negatively. Still reactive.

I am wondering if maybe adrenal support alone is not enough, maybe

she needs some thyroid help? Or more adrenal. I wish I had more

definitive testing but we don't.

>

> My almost 12 year old is off the wall lately. No

matter what supps

> she is on, no matter what we try. She is moody, beligerant,

slipping

> in grades, mouthy, depressed, negative, very touchy, sensitive to

> noise, touch. Talking about how she hates herself and everything

> else. She is impossible to live with lately.

> I know she feels bad, no matter what we do, nothing helps. We talk

> all the time about it, and what might help. Or what might be

making

> her feel that way. It's not school, this doesn't seem to be

external.

> She doesn't know why she is feeling like this.

> The moods have been a constant problem, that was getting better

for

> a bit but now its getting worse. To the point I fear that she

might

> have to be medicated. Which I absolutely am against.

> She is Hg toxic. She has had 11 rounds. She always gets an

increase

> in these mood type problems after a round. I know it's metals.

> I just don't know what I am missing to help alleviate some of it

> while we work on healing. I am sure somewhere I know the answer,

but

> I am so stressed that I can't think straight lately.

> She is on:

> adrenal cortex extract 1-2caps

> 8,000 IU Vit A

> 400 IU Vit E

> 1500-2000 mg of C

> 400-600mg Mag

> 50mg Zinc

> probiotic

> Yeast Aid

> chromium 200 mcg per meal (she says this makes her sick, but she

has

> hypoglycemic symptoms)

> molybdenum 200mcg a day

> Vit K 100mcg

> Calcium 500mg

> flaxseed-she doesnt take this everday though

> melatonin-1mg

> Primrose oil-500mg

> She's supposed to take b50 2-3x a day, but she forgets it.

> High Vitamin Cod liver oil: 8,000 IU A, and 400 Vit D plus other

> efa's

>

> Just this past week I gave her lithium 5mg, but only once every

> other day. Sometimes this snaps her out of this, but not so far

this

> time.

>

> She has always had problems like this since she was like 8. It was

> lifting when we began chelation and up until lately was manageable.

> She also has PMS symptoms (her hair copper was normal, but I

suspect

> with PMS otherwise, she shows signs of estrogen dominance also)

>

> Her last round was ala only, and it seems like she has gone even

> more downhill since then. We did not use the dmsa because she has

> demineralization of her teeth. Which we are trying to correct via

> Weston Price. All her previous rounds were dmsa alone or dmsa/ala

> which she tolerate with minor symptoms.

> I just don't know what to do with this kid. She is suffering. I

know

> we have to do more chelation and on a faster pace. With school, we

> have not been able to do it as much as we should. This summer I

plan

> to do a round every week on her. She hates rounds though, because

> she gets depressed and moodier.

> Oh sorry, more vital info..She is 120 pounds. We use 12.5mg of

dmsa

> or ala or both on 3-4 hour protocol, three days on. (Andy's way or

> no way)

> I appreciate if any of the long timers here could give this a

> whirl...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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