Re:HBOT uneven results, timing, chelation plus hbot question

[Guest guest]

We had the same experience of getting better and then it faded away. The

first day a big bump, the second a lesser bump, and some of what was there

evening of day one less so, by the third treatment you could hardly tell there

was

an improvement, and that's how it went to the end of our hbot hard chamnber

1.5 atm 100% oxygen sessions (40). We tried once a day the first 2wks,

including sat, then when effects faded the doctor claimed it was not enough so

we

upped it to twice a day, to match others who have claimed twice a day is the

most

effective timing. The last 2 wks was all twice a day and NO improvements

(so much money wasted). We held on to subtle improvements like subtle

squeezing in hugs instead of limp arms from her, and very faint empathy (I

bumped my

head and she said " ow " once - perhaps a first), two spontaneous 3 word

sentences during week two (still at once a day) but no new sentence creation the

rest

of our treatment nor after (she just kept using these two sentences). No

carry over effect of improvement when stopping as usually claimed.

We are starting to think that supplementation matters - additional

antioxidants given that day and after session, for example. We are now trying

to force

a gap between sessions - we took a 3 wk break and will see if we get a bump.

If we do we will take another break and test that. A 2 week break we took

a few weeks ago yielded no bump in function on day 1. We are going to see

if a bump each time will add up to more than a bump on day one followed by

weeks of pointless treatments. Has anyone else tried to space the treatment

(bucking the usual recommendation by hbot doctors)?

Does anyone know why chelation is said to be enhanced by hbot?

[Guest guest]

> Does anyone know why chelation is said to be enhanced by hbot?

Perhaps to sell more HBOT treatments?

I know of no reason this should be so.

Andy

[Guest guest]

I thought I remembered some clinics doing hbot for autism would

follow the hbot session with a glutathione\Vitamin C IV push,

something to do with oxidative stress in the brain follwing the hbot.

>

> We had the same experience of getting better and then it faded

away. The

> first day a big bump, the second a lesser bump, and some of what

was there

> evening of day one less so, by the third treatment you could

hardly tell there was

> an improvement, and that's how it went to the end of our hbot hard

chamnber

> 1.5 atm 100% oxygen sessions (40). We tried once a day the first

2wks,

> including sat, then when effects faded the doctor claimed it was

not enough so we

> upped it to twice a day, to match others who have claimed twice a

day is the most

> effective timing. The last 2 wks was all twice a day and NO

improvements

> (so much money wasted). We held on to subtle improvements like

subtle

> squeezing in hugs instead of limp arms from her, and very faint

empathy (I bumped my

> head and she said " ow " once - perhaps a first), two spontaneous 3

word

> sentences during week two (still at once a day) but no new

sentence creation the rest

> of our treatment nor after (she just kept using these two

sentences). No

> carry over effect of improvement when stopping as usually

claimed.

>

> We are starting to think that supplementation matters - additional

> antioxidants given that day and after session, for example. We

are now trying to force

> a gap between sessions - we took a 3 wk break and will see if we

get a bump.

> If we do we will take another break and test that. A 2 week

break we took

> a few weeks ago yielded no bump in function on day 1. We are

going to see

> if a bump each time will add up to more than a bump on day one

followed by

> weeks of pointless treatments. Has anyone else tried to space

the treatment

> (bucking the usual recommendation by hbot doctors)?

>

> Does anyone know why chelation is said to be enhanced by hbot?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Another Hbot question.

Are those seeing the greatest improvements doing chelation during Hbot

treatments?

Thanks,

[ ] Re:HBOT uneven results, timing, chelation plus hbot

question

We had the same experience of getting better and then it faded away. The

first day a big bump, the second a lesser bump, and some of what was there

evening of day one less so, by the third treatment you could hardly tell there

was

an improvement, and that's how it went to the end of our hbot hard chamnber

1.5 atm 100% oxygen sessions (40). We tried once a day the first 2wks,

including sat, then when effects faded the doctor claimed it was not enough so

we

upped it to twice a day, to match others who have claimed twice a day is the

most

effective timing. The last 2 wks was all twice a day and NO improvements

(so much money wasted). We held on to subtle improvements like subtle

squeezing in hugs instead of limp arms from her, and very faint empathy (I

bumped my

head and she said " ow " once - perhaps a first), two spontaneous 3 word

sentences during week two (still at once a day) but no new sentence creation

the rest

of our treatment nor after (she just kept using these two sentences). No

carry over effect of improvement when stopping as usually claimed.

We are starting to think that supplementation matters - additional

antioxidants given that day and after session, for example. We are now trying

to force

a gap between sessions - we took a 3 wk break and will see if we get a bump.

If we do we will take another break and test that. A 2 week break we took

a few weeks ago yielded no bump in function on day 1. We are going to see

if a bump each time will add up to more than a bump on day one followed by

weeks of pointless treatments. Has anyone else tried to space the treatment

(bucking the usual recommendation by hbot doctors)?

Does anyone know why chelation is said to be enhanced by hbot?

[Guest guest]

So much being said regarding HBOT. I wanted to share my experience.

After my son was diagnosed with ASD in Nov. 2005 at age 4 (almost 5), we

started vitamin & MB12 treatment in Dec. 2004 and saw no changes. In Feb. 2006,

we did 40 HBOT dives at 100% O2, 1.5 ATA.

Results were mixed. He lost whatever little language he had. On the other

hand, constipation issues disappeared after 5 dives. He had a few colds and

fevers and seemed more alert and affectionate.

Bottom line:

HBOT is a great tool but should be used after chelation and detox. I beleive

the metals moved around but did not come out when using HBOT.

My guess is that after 2 years of chelation, use a mild HBOT chamber. HBOT is

the only tool that I know of that will awaken dormant brain cells. Dr. Buckley

is big on HBOT. Feel free to read about HBOT here:

http://www.hypertc.com/testimonials/2005_September_Newsletter_email.pdf

Sawyer <sawyerfamily@...> wrote:

Another Hbot question.

Are those seeing the greatest improvements doing chelation during Hbot

treatments?

Thanks,

[ ] Re:HBOT uneven results, timing, chelation plus hbot

question

We had the same experience of getting better and then it faded away. The

first day a big bump, the second a lesser bump, and some of what was there

evening of day one less so, by the third treatment you could hardly tell there

was

an improvement, and that's how it went to the end of our hbot hard chamnber

1.5 atm 100% oxygen sessions (40). We tried once a day the first 2wks,

including sat, then when effects faded the doctor claimed it was not enough so

we

upped it to twice a day, to match others who have claimed twice a day is the

most

effective timing. The last 2 wks was all twice a day and NO improvements

(so much money wasted). We held on to subtle improvements like subtle

squeezing in hugs instead of limp arms from her, and very faint empathy (I

bumped my

head and she said " ow " once - perhaps a first), two spontaneous 3 word

sentences during week two (still at once a day) but no new sentence creation the

rest

of our treatment nor after (she just kept using these two sentences). No

carry over effect of improvement when stopping as usually claimed.

We are starting to think that supplementation matters - additional

antioxidants given that day and after session, for example. We are now trying to

force

a gap between sessions - we took a 3 wk break and will see if we get a bump.

If we do we will take another break and test that. A 2 week break we took

a few weeks ago yielded no bump in function on day 1. We are going to see

if a bump each time will add up to more than a bump on day one followed by

weeks of pointless treatments. Has anyone else tried to space the treatment

(bucking the usual recommendation by hbot doctors)?

Does anyone know why chelation is said to be enhanced by hbot?

[Guest guest]

The people who are HBOT specialists say that there is no such thing

as the " oxidative stress " non-HBOT specialists keep alluding too. My

son had plenty of supplementation during HBOT, one HUGE dump of

metals (I chelated during HBOT) and was generally as happy as a clam,

sleeping well and playing at the park, etc. If his body was under

more stress (other than getting the hood on to him (it was unapparent

to me).

Anita

>

> I thought I remembered some clinics doing hbot for autism would

> follow the hbot session with a glutathione\Vitamin C IV push,

> something to do with oxidative stress in the brain follwing the

hbot.

>

>> >

> > We are starting to think that supplementation matters -

additional

> > antioxidants given that day and after session, for example.

[Guest guest]

That may very well be true but even the hBOT experts don't know

EXACLTY what is going on in an autistic brain during a session.

Every kid is different. A mom wrote on here awhile ago that hBOT

induced seizures and she can no longer chelate her child.

> >

> > I thought I remembered some clinics doing hbot for autism would

> > follow the hbot session with a glutathione\Vitamin C IV push,

> > something to do with oxidative stress in the brain follwing the

> hbot.

> >

> >> >

> > > We are starting to think that supplementation matters -

> additional

> > > antioxidants given that day and after session, for example.

>

[Guest guest]

That may very well be true but even the hBOT experts don't know

EXACLTY what is going on in an autistic brain during a session.

Every kid is different. A mom wrote on here awhile ago that hBOT

induced seizures and she can no longer chelate her child.

> >

> > I thought I remembered some clinics doing hbot for autism would

> > follow the hbot session with a glutathione\-Vitamin C IV push,

> > something to do with oxidative stress in the brain follwing the

> hbot.

> >

> >> >

> > > We are starting to think that supplementation matters -

> additional

> > > antioxidants given that day and after session, for example.

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> That may very well be true but even the hBOT experts don't know

> EXACLTY what is going on in an autistic brain during a session.

> Every kid is different. A mom wrote on here awhile ago that hBOT

> induced seizures and she can no longer chelate her child.

>

>

I remembered that when I was researching, and it was an important

point to me, because my son was (maybe still is) having some sort of

seizure activity for a while. When I spoke to the HBOT specialists

(I'm avoiding the use of expert on purpose, because there's a big

difference between knowing the science of the HBOT and understanding

what it's actually doing to our kids) about this I was told many

times that HBOT is actually used to reduce seizures. I also spoke

extensively to a mom of a seizure kid who had more during HBOT. She

was told that she quit too soon (after 40) to make a difference.

Easy advice to give when it's not your kid.

I pointed out the oxidative stress counterargument not because I know

if it's right or not, but because I wouldn't want a parent blaming

any lack of HBOT success on their not giving Vit E or Vit C during

the process. Most of the success stories I read (and saw) didn't

mention anything about supping (unless you count pepsi). It may play

a role for some kids, that's for sure, but I suspect for kids like my

son (who was supped) there's something going on that no one really

knows about.

Anita