Re: DMSA plus ALA - please help me understand

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In a message dated 20/02/2007 21:22:29 GMT Standard Time,

carol.robertson@... writes:

Why won't my son'e doctor (Dr Usman) suggest DMSA and ALA together?

>>I don't think she would have a problem with it if you said thats what you

wanted to do.

Mandi in UK

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Carol,

Most doctors don't recommend the ALA. I'm not sure why. I'm afraid

it is safe to assume that pretty much all of our kids have mercury in

their brain and it needs to come out with something that crosses the

BBB.

I don't think parents should be afraid to introduce the ALA on their

own once they are familiar with Andy's protocol and cautions. ALA

does many good things as well as chelating out toxic chemicals. I

too use DMSA for my son because of lead issues, but I use a larger

amount of ALA as well for the reasons I mention above.

Your comment on the dark circles is out of my experience. I've heard

of the opposite though. I hope someone has a suggestion for you, but

I would dare to say that it might be a good sign :-)

Anita

>

> I am hopeful that a few of you might be able to clear up some

> confusion I am having.

>

> I started chelating my 6 year old son with DMSA this last weekend,

> (25 mgs, 3 days on 11 days off).

>

> Today I was looking at many of the older Andy postings and I am

> confused.

>

> My son has lead and mercury, I am assuming primarily from vacines,

> since I am not aware of any other large exposure.

>

> Why won't my son'e doctor (Dr Usman) suggest DMSA and ALA together?

>

> It seems from everything that I have read that ALA and DMSA

together

> from the start is a better approach then just DMSA alone.

>

> Or is it wrong to assume that my son has mercury in his brain as

well

> as his tissue?

>

> Can someone please explain what the advantage is to doing DSMA

alone?

>

> Also, a side note, my son has aways had dark circles under his

eyes.

> I noticed while I was giving hhim ther DMSA the circles went away.

> Any ideas why?

>

> Thanks in advance for your help.

>

> C. on

>

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Comments interspersed.

S S

<p>I am hopeful that a few of you might be able to clear up some

<br>

confusion I am having.<br>

<br>

I started chelating my 6 year old son with DMSA this last weekend, <br>

(25 mgs, 3 days on 11 days off).<br>

<br>

Today I was looking at many of the older Andy postings and I am <br>

confused.<br>

<br>

My son has lead and mercury, I am assuming primarily from vacines, <br>

since I am not aware of any other large exposure.<br>

*Lead is not in vaccines (as far as we know!) It's probably from lead paint,

lead plumbing, fallout from leaded gas in the soil, etc.

<br>

Why won't my son'e doctor (Dr Usman) suggest DMSA and ALA together?<br>

*Is the DMSA OTC or by prescription? Some docs tend not to recommend ALA

because it's readily available OTC and therefore no profit for them. Many

doctors don't realize that DMSA is also available without a prescription or

assume that most parents don't know that. Some like to start one thing at a

time to see how the individual tolerates it and to watch for side

effects/progress and be able to know what to attribute it to (science is taught

looking at a single variable at a time). When was your child's most recent new

exposure (vaccine, or other)?

<br>

It seems from everything that I have read that ALA and DMSA together <br>

from the start is a better approach then just DMSA alone. <br>

<br>

*It's ok to start with DMSA and add ALA later, but you'll eventually need it to

get the mercury out of his brain.

Or is it wrong to assume that my son has mercury in his brain as well <br>

as his tissue?<br>

*Did you do a hairtest and apply counting rules? If not, how did you or the doc

determine your son has mercury and lead issues?

<br>

Can someone please explain what the advantage is to doing DSMA alone?<br>

<br>

*For you and your son or for the doctor?

Also, a side note, my son has aways had dark circles under his eyes. <br>

I noticed while I was giving hhim ther DMSA the circles went away. <br>

Any ideas why?<br>

<br>

Thanks in advance for your help.<br>

<br>

C. on<br>

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Thanks for responding to my post.

Over the last two plus years, we have had hair tests, feces tests as

well as a recent Porphyrins test. The latest being the Porphyrins

which showed low to moderate levels of Mercury and a lesser maount of

lead.

The DMSA was a percription, she did mention ALA during our last

consultation however did not percribe it, I am not sure why.

I do not think that Dr Usman would suggest a protocal for fiancial

gain, I do believe that she has the best interests of her patient at

heart.

I want to do whatever is going to get the best results and still be

as safe as possible. I bought Andy's book, it is a lot to grasp.

Regards,

C Roberson

> <p>I am hopeful that a few of you might be able to

clear up some <br>

> confusion I am having.<br>

> <br>

> I started chelating my 6 year old son with DMSA this last weekend,

<br>

> (25 mgs, 3 days on 11 days off).<br>

> <br>

> Today I was looking at many of the older Andy postings and I am <br>

> confused.<br>

> <br>

> My son has lead and mercury, I am assuming primarily from vacines,

<br>

> since I am not aware of any other large exposure.<br>

>

> *Lead is not in vaccines (as far as we know!) It's probably from

lead paint, lead plumbing, fallout from leaded gas in the soil, etc.

>

> <br>

> Why won't my son'e doctor (Dr Usman) suggest DMSA and ALA together?

<br>

>

> *Is the DMSA OTC or by prescription? Some docs tend not to

recommend ALA because it's readily available OTC and therefore no

profit for them. Many doctors don't realize that DMSA is also

available without a prescription or assume that most parents don't

know that. Some like to start one thing at a time to see how the

individual tolerates it and to watch for side effects/progress and be

able to know what to attribute it to (science is taught looking at a

single variable at a time). When was your child's most recent new

exposure (vaccine, or other)?

>

> <br>

> It seems from everything that I have read that ALA and DMSA

together <br>

> from the start is a better approach then just DMSA alone. <br>

> <br>

>

> *It's ok to start with DMSA and add ALA later, but you'll

eventually need it to get the mercury out of his brain.

>

> Or is it wrong to assume that my son has mercury in his brain as

well <br>

> as his tissue?<br>

>

> *Did you do a hairtest and apply counting rules? If not, how did

you or the doc determine your son has mercury and lead issues?

>

> <br>

> Can someone please explain what the advantage is to doing DSMA

alone?<br>

> <br>

>

> *For you and your son or for the doctor?

>

> Also, a side note, my son has aways had dark circles under his

eyes. <br>

> I noticed while I was giving hhim ther DMSA the circles went away.

<br>

> Any ideas why?<br>

> <br>

> Thanks in advance for your help.<br>

> <br>

> C. on<br>

>

>

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There was a bit in the last DAN! concensus paper about ALA (see ARI

website to dwonload a copy). Basically, it's considered a supplement

to be wary of, as it can really stir up yeast infections.

Secondly, there is a concern that ALA could transport mercury from

the body into the brain. So some doctors suggest you reduce the body

burden with DMSA/DMPS before introducing ALA.

I've not introduced it yet, due to my son's persistant yeast issues.

As we get these under control, I'm planning to start over teh coming

month or so.

Hope this helps.

Liam

> > <p>I am hopeful that a few of you might be able to

> clear up some <br>

> > confusion I am having.<br>

> > <br>

> > I started chelating my 6 year old son with DMSA this last

weekend,

> <br>

> > (25 mgs, 3 days on 11 days off).<br>

> > <br>

> > Today I was looking at many of the older Andy postings and I am

<br>

> > confused.<br>

> > <br>

> > My son has lead and mercury, I am assuming primarily from

vacines,

> <br>

> > since I am not aware of any other large exposure.<br>

> >

> > *Lead is not in vaccines (as far as we know!) It's probably

from

> lead paint, lead plumbing, fallout from leaded gas in the soil,

etc.

> >

> > <br>

> > Why won't my son'e doctor (Dr Usman) suggest DMSA and ALA

together?

> <br>

> >

> > *Is the DMSA OTC or by prescription? Some docs tend not to

> recommend ALA because it's readily available OTC and therefore no

> profit for them. Many doctors don't realize that DMSA is also

> available without a prescription or assume that most parents don't

> know that. Some like to start one thing at a time to see how the

> individual tolerates it and to watch for side effects/progress and

be

> able to know what to attribute it to (science is taught looking at

a

> single variable at a time). When was your child's most recent new

> exposure (vaccine, or other)?

> >

> > <br>

> > It seems from everything that I have read that ALA and DMSA

> together <br>

> > from the start is a better approach then just DMSA alone. <br>

> > <br>

> >

> > *It's ok to start with DMSA and add ALA later, but you'll

> eventually need it to get the mercury out of his brain.

> >

> > Or is it wrong to assume that my son has mercury in his brain as

> well <br>

> > as his tissue?<br>

> >

> > *Did you do a hairtest and apply counting rules? If not, how

did

> you or the doc determine your son has mercury and lead issues?

> >

> > <br>

> > Can someone please explain what the advantage is to doing DSMA

> alone?<br>

> > <br>

> >

> > *For you and your son or for the doctor?

> >

> > Also, a side note, my son has aways had dark circles under his

> eyes. <br>

> > I noticed while I was giving hhim ther DMSA the circles went

away.

> <br>

> > Any ideas why?<br>

> > <br>

> > Thanks in advance for your help.<br>

> > <br>

> > C. on<br>

> >

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

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Comments interspersed.

S S

<p>There was a bit in the last DAN! concensus paper about ALA (see

ARI <br>

website to dwonload a copy). Basically, it's considered a supplement <br>

to be wary of, as it can really stir up yeast infections.<br>

<br>

*The mercury does that.

Secondly, there is a concern that ALA could transport mercury from <br>

the body into the brain. So some doctors suggest you reduce the body <br>

burden with DMSA/DMPS before introducing ALA.<br>

*Hence Andy's low, slow, frequent dosing.

<br>

I've not introduced it yet, due to my son's persistant yeast issues. <br>

As we get these under control, I'm planning to start over teh coming <br>

month or so.<br>

<br>

Hope this helps.<br>

<br>

Liam<br>

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>

> There was a bit in the last DAN! concensus paper about ALA (see ARI

> website to dwonload a copy). Basically, it's considered a supplement

> to be wary of, as it can really stir up yeast infections.

Different view, here at autism treatment. ALA is *necessary* to get Hg

from the brain. So while you have to wait three months after an Hg

exposure to use it, it's not optional. Andy calls it " the workhorse " .

>

> Secondly, there is a concern that ALA could transport mercury from

> the body into the brain. So some doctors suggest you reduce the body

> burden with DMSA/DMPS before introducing ALA.

Not necessary unless there's been a recent exposure.

>

> I've not introduced it yet, due to my son's persistant yeast issues.

> As we get these under control, I'm planning to start over teh coming

> month or so.

In the experience of many, yeast is uncontrollable until some of the

Hg is chelated out. The Hg is *causing the yeast. You may have to take

breaks from chelating if yeast gets really out of control. But the

only to get it all the way under control is to chelate.

Nell

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> My son has lead and mercury, I am assuming primarily from vacines,

> since I am not aware of any other large exposure.

Lead is not from vaccinations, find sources of exposure here

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> Why won't my son'e doctor (Dr Usman) suggest DMSA and ALA together?

Have you asked her?

You can buy ALA without a prescription, so you can add it any time you

want.

> Can someone please explain what the advantage is to doing DSMA alone?

Many people recommend using DMSA alone first, to remove the mercury

from the body before addressing the mercury in the brain.

Dana