Re: Please help with Thyroid/metabolic panel test results

[Guest guest]

Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you just scream? The T3

total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy. It is only the Free T3 that

measures the exact thyroid hormone that deals with brain development. Your dr

will probably deny that, ours tried to, after he tried to deny that the

reference ranges from the lab were not correct.

Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for hypothyroidism, the Free T4

looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours had a low TSH of 1.1 and a

nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was just a quart low at 3.3 and this is

after plenty of protein and supplementation with selenium and iodine.

Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as just a little bit of

Armour here took care of a whole host of problems and it just continued to get

better and better with treatment. And if you just went by her TSH she would not

have treated, at all.

[ ] Please help with Thyroid/metabolic panel test

results

My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid test

came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw that

they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the report

today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3. Before I

call her back on this I would like to know what is the significance

of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts from

you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not completely

satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a sheer toture

session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both arms, then

having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out), it was

horrible.

T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following elements

were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the significance

of these?

Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

Thanks for any help.

Sheresa

[Guest guest]

>

> My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid test

> came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw that

> they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the report

> today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

Sheresa,

I'm not a thyroid labs expert so I'm no help with that but I can

really commiserate with that lab crap! The last time I took n in

for a big draw, the lab lost all of it and wouldn't admit we'd ever

been there. Three times I have asked for free T3 and free T4 for

myself, I see the doc write it, the lab doesn't do it. I also had

blood drawn for a plasma cysteine test that somehow came back " lab

error " .

It's not that I'm dealing with one lab that stinks, it's multiple

labs! Anyway, feeling for you...

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you just

scream?

Right now I'd like to do more than scream. This all comes on the

same day that I find out our insurance is now rejecting her speech

claims on the basis of no medical necessity. Sure, this same

insurance company paid her speech claims all of last year only to

come back now and say that those were all paid in error. My

goodness, is there no justice at all for these kids!!

The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy. It is only the

Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone that deals with brain

development. Your dr will probably deny that, ours tried to, after he

tried to deny that the reference ranges from the lab were not correct.

>

So how did you get him to come around? Find a different doctor? Is

a specialist more appropriate to deal with this than a regular ped?

I've put in a call about this, but I'm not sure what good it will do

considering that she told me over the phone that the test was fine.

> Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for hypothyroidism,

Where does this information come from so I can bring this up too?

I plan to continue pursuing this as I just have this gut feeling that

she does have low thyroid and could benefit from treatment.

Thanks so much for your help, .

Sheresa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Sheresa,

>

> I'm not a thyroid labs expert so I'm no help with that but I can

> really commiserate with that lab crap! The last time I took n

in

> for a big draw, the lab lost all of it and wouldn't admit we'd ever

> been there. Three times I have asked for free T3 and free T4 for

> myself, I see the doc write it, the lab doesn't do it. I also had

> blood drawn for a plasma cysteine test that somehow came back " lab

> error " .

>

> It's not that I'm dealing with one lab that stinks, it's multiple

> labs! Anyway, feeling for you...

>

> Nell

>

Well it just further demonstrates the sad state of affairs we deal

with in this country regarding healthcare. What a sham and utterly

ridiculous!! Sorry to be so negative but I've really just had it

today.

Sheresa

[Guest guest]

Sheresa,

I agree with . TSH over 2.0 would send me straight to

Armour. I know you can order it from offshore somewhere. I did it

once when I couldn't get our Dr. on board with respect to the amount

we needed. I looked for my source the other night for someone else

but couldn't find it. I will look again. It really wasn't that

expensive, especially if you buy the higher dose stuff and split the

pills yourself. Andy says that full replacement for my son when we

started was 1-1.25 grains. He was 3.5 years old then, though we

seemed to need more than what Andy called for.

Anyway, this is one of those things where I would go offshore if you

can't get your doc to do what you need him/her to do. Just my .02.

Anne

>

> Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you just

scream? The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy. It is

only the Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone that deals

with brain development. Your dr will probably deny that, ours tried

to, after he tried to deny that the reference ranges from the lab

were not correct.

>

> Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for hypothyroidism, the

Free T4 looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours had a low

TSH of 1.1 and a nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was just a

quart low at 3.3 and this is after plenty of protein and

supplementation with selenium and iodine.

>

> Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as just a

little bit of Armour here took care of a whole host of problems and

it just continued to get better and better with treatment. And if you

just went by her TSH she would not have treated, at all.

>

>

> [ ] Please help with Thyroid/metabolic

panel test results

>

>

> My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid

test

> came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw that

> they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the

report

> today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

Before I

> call her back on this I would like to know what is the

significance

> of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts from

> you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

completely

> satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a sheer

toture

> session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both arms,

then

> having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out), it was

> horrible.

>

> T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

>

> T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

>

> TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

>

> Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

>

> She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

elements

> were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

significance

> of these?

>

> Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

>

> Thanks for any help.

>

> Sheresa

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ann - yes I would appreciate having that information if you

can find it, just in case I can't get help thru the doctor. I'm

feeling more and more certain that she does need thyroid support,

based on everything that I have already read. I'm going to do some

googling tonight on Free T3, but both you and state that TSH

over 2 indicates a need for Armour. What is the source of this

information? Maybe if I could show that to her she would agree to a

trial of Armour, given our test results and my daughters symptoms.

Sheresa

> >

> > Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you just

> scream? The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy. It is

> only the Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone that deals

> with brain development. Your dr will probably deny that, ours tried

> to, after he tried to deny that the reference ranges from the lab

> were not correct.

> >

> > Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for hypothyroidism,

the

> Free T4 looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours had a low

> TSH of 1.1 and a nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was just a

> quart low at 3.3 and this is after plenty of protein and

> supplementation with selenium and iodine.

> >

> > Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as just a

> little bit of Armour here took care of a whole host of problems and

> it just continued to get better and better with treatment. And if

you

> just went by her TSH she would not have treated, at all.

> >

> >

> > [ ] Please help with Thyroid/metabolic

> panel test results

> >

> >

> > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid

> test

> > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw

that

> > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the

> report

> > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

> Before I

> > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> significance

> > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts

from

> > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> completely

> > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a sheer

> toture

> > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both

arms,

> then

> > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out), it

was

> > horrible.

> >

> > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> >

> > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> >

> > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> >

> > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> >

> > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> elements

> > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> significance

> > of these?

> >

> > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> >

> > Thanks for any help.

> >

> > Sheresa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I probably got the TSH information from the naturalthyroidhormone

group, or www.stopthethyroidmadness.com. Not sure. I do know one

mom here in Indiana who said that her doc routinely Rxs Armour for

when TSH is that high.

As for the offshore supply, I will look again. I know it is here

somewhere.

Anne

> > >

> > > Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you just

> > scream? The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy. It

is

> > only the Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone that

deals

> > with brain development. Your dr will probably deny that, ours

tried

> > to, after he tried to deny that the reference ranges from the lab

> > were not correct.

> > >

> > > Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for hypothyroidism,

> the

> > Free T4 looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours had a

low

> > TSH of 1.1 and a nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was just a

> > quart low at 3.3 and this is after plenty of protein and

> > supplementation with selenium and iodine.

> > >

> > > Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as just

a

> > little bit of Armour here took care of a whole host of problems

and

> > it just continued to get better and better with treatment. And if

> you

> > just went by her TSH she would not have treated, at all.

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] Please help with Thyroid/metabolic

> > panel test results

> > >

> > >

> > > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid

> > test

> > > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw

> that

> > > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the

> > report

> > > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

> > Before I

> > > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> > significance

> > > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts

> from

> > > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> > completely

> > > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a

sheer

> > toture

> > > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both

> arms,

> > then

> > > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out), it

> was

> > > horrible.

> > >

> > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > >

> > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > >

> > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > >

> > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> > elements

> > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > significance

> > > of these?

> > >

> > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help.

> > >

> > > Sheresa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, I said that the TSH being over 2 is " suspicious " and I might be

conservative, but I would be hesitant to give the Armour without getting the

Free T3 numbers as the start up for the Armour is no picnic and if I hadn't have

been absolutely sure she needed it, I would have given up.

My advice is to find someone to get this done...you will anyway as the amount

you give has to be monitored as you go along anyway.

[ ] Please help with Thyroid/metabolic

> panel test results

> >

> >

> > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid

> test

> > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw

that

> > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the

> report

> > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

> Before I

> > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> significance

> > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts

from

> > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> completely

> > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a sheer

> toture

> > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both

arms,

> then

> > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out), it

was

> > horrible.

> >

> > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> >

> > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> >

> > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> >

> > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> >

> > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> elements

> > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> significance

> > of these?

> >

> > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> >

> > Thanks for any help.

> >

> > Sheresa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree with that you should get the Free T3 test done. That

said, I suspect that your daughter will do well with some Armour,

however little that may be. I reacted so strongly to your post

because Armour has had a very big impact here and is a very important

intervention for those who need it (me included, though I haven't

gotten myself an Rx yet). I do believe that Andy says it is better

for kids to be a bit hyper than hypo.

Anne

> > >

> > > Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you

just

> > scream? The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy. It

is

> > only the Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone that

deals

> > with brain development. Your dr will probably deny that, ours

tried

> > to, after he tried to deny that the reference ranges from the

lab

> > were not correct.

> > >

> > > Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for

hypothyroidism,

> the

> > Free T4 looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours had a

low

> > TSH of 1.1 and a nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was just

a

> > quart low at 3.3 and this is after plenty of protein and

> > supplementation with selenium and iodine.

> > >

> > > Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as

just a

> > little bit of Armour here took care of a whole host of problems

and

> > it just continued to get better and better with treatment. And

if

> you

> > just went by her TSH she would not have treated, at all.

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] Please help with Thyroid/metabolic

> > panel test results

> > >

> > >

> > > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her thyroid

> > test

> > > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the draw

> that

> > > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up the

> > report

> > > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

> > Before I

> > > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> > significance

> > > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts

> from

> > > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> > completely

> > > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a

sheer

> > toture

> > > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both

> arms,

> > then

> > > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out), it

> was

> > > horrible.

> > >

> > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > >

> > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > >

> > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > >

> > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> > elements

> > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > significance

> > > of these?

> > >

> > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help.

> > >

> > > Sheresa

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh I fully intend on getting the free T3 done, but after doing a lot

more reading on many sites this evening I too am very suspicious of

the 2.9 TSH, along with all of her symptoms. Thanks to you both,

Anne and for all of your help. I really appreciate it.

Sheresa

> > > >

> > > > Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't you

> just

> > > scream? The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says Andy.

It

> is

> > > only the Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone that

> deals

> > > with brain development. Your dr will probably deny that, ours

> tried

> > > to, after he tried to deny that the reference ranges from the

> lab

> > > were not correct.

> > > >

> > > > Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for

> hypothyroidism,

> > the

> > > Free T4 looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours had

a

> low

> > > TSH of 1.1 and a nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was

just

> a

> > > quart low at 3.3 and this is after plenty of protein and

> > > supplementation with selenium and iodine.

> > > >

> > > > Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as

> just a

> > > little bit of Armour here took care of a whole host of

problems

> and

> > > it just continued to get better and better with treatment.

And

> if

> > you

> > > just went by her TSH she would not have treated, at all.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ ] Please help with

Thyroid/metabolic

> > > panel test results

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her

thyroid

> > > test

> > > > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the

draw

> > that

> > > > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up

the

> > > report

> > > > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

> > > Before I

> > > > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> > > significance

> > > > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts

> > from

> > > > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> > > completely

> > > > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a

> sheer

> > > toture

> > > > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both

> > arms,

> > > then

> > > > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out),

it

> > was

> > > > horrible.

> > > >

> > > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > > >

> > > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > > >

> > > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > > >

> > > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> > > elements

> > > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > > significance

> > > > of these?

> > > >

> > > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any help.

> > > >

> > > > Sheresa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No problem, Sheresa and research is good. We never asked, but what kind of

symptoms is she having?

[ ] Please help with

Thyroid/metabolic

> > > panel test results

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her

thyroid

> > > test

> > > > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the

draw

> > that

> > > > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up

the

> > > report

> > > > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total T3.

> > > Before I

> > > > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> > > significance

> > > > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any thoughts

> > from

> > > > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> > > completely

> > > > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a

> sheer

> > > toture

> > > > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in both

> > arms,

> > > then

> > > > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out),

it

> > was

> > > > horrible.

> > > >

> > > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > > >

> > > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > > >

> > > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > > >

> > > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> > > elements

> > > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > > significance

> > > > of these?

> > > >

> > > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any help.

> > > >

> > > > Sheresa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Cold hand/feet, slightly low body temperature (always 97ish), low

energy, low strength, difficulty with concentration (despite acute

knowledge of what she is trying to concentrate on), never sweats -

even on a hot muggy day, weepy at times for no reason, can't poop

without magnesium/prune juice. Her body size is totally average for

her age, but she doesn't eat much at all. She also wakes up

virtually every night at 1 or 2 am and many times cannot get back to

sleep for hours (restless tossing). The ACE has helped somewhat with

the sleep but not completely.

Sheresa

> > > > >

> > > > > Aww, sorry, Sheresa same thing happened here, couldn't

you

> > just

> > > > scream? The T3 total and T-3 Uptake mean nothing, says

Andy.

> It

> > is

> > > > only the Free T3 that measures the exact thyroid hormone

that

> > deals

> > > > with brain development. Your dr will probably deny that,

ours

> > tried

> > > > to, after he tried to deny that the reference ranges from

the

> > lab

> > > > were not correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Her TSH is high, anything over 2 is suspect for

> > hypothyroidism,

> > > the

> > > > Free T4 looks good but you really need that Free T3. Ours

had

> a

> > low

> > > > TSH of 1.1 and a nice Free T4 of 1.4, but her Free T3 was

> just

> > a

> > > > quart low at 3.3 and this is after plenty of protein and

> > > > supplementation with selenium and iodine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Some people/drs will only look at the TSH, big mistake as

> > just a

> > > > little bit of Armour here took care of a whole host of

> problems

> > and

> > > > it just continued to get better and better with treatment.

> And

> > if

> > > you

> > > > just went by her TSH she would not have treated, at all.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [ ] Please help with

> Thyroid/metabolic

> > > > panel test results

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her

> thyroid

> > > > test

> > > > > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the

> draw

> > > that

> > > > > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up

> the

> > > > report

> > > > > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total

T3.

> > > > Before I

> > > > > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> > > > significance

> > > > > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any

thoughts

> > > from

> > > > > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> > > > completely

> > > > > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a

> > sheer

> > > > toture

> > > > > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in

both

> > > arms,

> > > > then

> > > > > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out),

> it

> > > was

> > > > > horrible.

> > > > >

> > > > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > > > >

> > > > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > > > >

> > > > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > > > >

> > > > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The

following

> > > > elements

> > > > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > > > significance

> > > > > of these?

> > > > >

> > > > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any help.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheresa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

> T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

>

> T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

>

> TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

>

> Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

From what I remember when my son was tested is that the ref. ranges

vary a lot depending on the child age. How old is your child?

Your pediatrician needs to find out the ref. ranges and not based his

dx on the lab ranges.

If you go again to have free T3 done, I suggest you also check

iodine. Actually, I cannot remember, iodine might even be urine, not

blood. My son's thyroid symptoms were caused by a lack of iodine.

Once I changed our table salt, his symtoms really improved.

> She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

elements

> were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

significance

> of these?

>

> Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

is her globulin low? this relates to the immune system.

[Guest guest]

might be right, there are no antibodies reported here and increasing

selenium and iodine might help raise the Free T3 if low and lower the TSH to

acceptable ranges. I would give it a couple of months, though, and then move on

to Armour.

We had tried the extra supplements for about 6 months before our testing to no

avail.

[ ] Re: Please help with Thyroid/metabolic panel test

results

> T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

>

> T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

>

> TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

>

> Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

From what I remember when my son was tested is that the ref. ranges

vary a lot depending on the child age. How old is your child?

Your pediatrician needs to find out the ref. ranges and not based his

dx on the lab ranges.

If you go again to have free T3 done, I suggest you also check

iodine. Actually, I cannot remember, iodine might even be urine, not

blood. My son's thyroid symptoms were caused by a lack of iodine.

Once I changed our table salt, his symtoms really improved.

> She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

elements

> were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

significance

> of these?

>

> Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

is her globulin low? this relates to the immune system.

[Guest guest]

Yes sound hypothyroid to me. We had cold hands/feet from birth, low body temps,

concentration issues and horrible appetite....all resolved with Armour.

[ ] Please help with

> Thyroid/metabolic

> > > > panel test results

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My daughters doctor called last night saying that her

> thyroid

> > > > test

> > > > > came back normal. She had assured me at the time of the

> draw

> > > that

> > > > > they always test free T3, free T4, TSH. When I picked up

> the

> > > > report

> > > > > today I find that there is NO FREE T3 on it, just total

T3.

> > > > Before I

> > > > > call her back on this I would like to know what is the

> > > > significance

> > > > > of the free T3? The results are as follows and any

thoughts

> > > from

> > > > > you thyroid experts out there would be welcome. I'm not

> > > > completely

> > > > > satisfied with the test, and am furious because it was a

> > sheer

> > > > toture

> > > > > session for my daughter (endless digging for blood in

both

> > > arms,

> > > > then

> > > > > having to resort to hand vein just to get the blood out),

> it

> > > was

> > > > > horrible.

> > > > >

> > > > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > > > >

> > > > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > > > >

> > > > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > > > >

> > > > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > > > >

> > > > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The

following

> > > > elements

> > > > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > > > significance

> > > > > of these?

> > > > >

> > > > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any help.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheresa

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for your reply. My daughter is 5. I have spent the morning

pouring over all this and her doc was very cooperative at getting the

free T3, I think she expected it to be included in the first run, but

not sure if she recognizes the significance of it. So I think she is

basically willing to be on board with all of this, but my next

potential obstacle will be finding the correct ref ranges. Does

anyone know where to get the correct ref range info for children for

the free T3, free T4, TSH?

As for the iodine and selenium, she gets both of these on a daily

basis for the past year or so. 50 mcg iodine (which may be too low)

and app 80 mcg selenium.

Sheresa

> > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> >

> > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> >

> > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> >

> > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

>

> From what I remember when my son was tested is that the ref. ranges

> vary a lot depending on the child age. How old is your child?

> Your pediatrician needs to find out the ref. ranges and not based

his

> dx on the lab ranges.

>

> If you go again to have free T3 done, I suggest you also check

> iodine. Actually, I cannot remember, iodine might even be urine,

not

> blood. My son's thyroid symptoms were caused by a lack of iodine.

> Once I changed our table salt, his symtoms really improved.

>

> > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> elements

> > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> significance

> > of these?

> >

> > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

>

> is her globulin low? this relates to the immune system.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.labcorp.com/pdf/Pediatric_Reference_Ranges_Endocrinology_09

81.pdf

Don't forget the 81.pdf part that didn't make it on the top line.

Anne

> > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > >

> > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > >

> > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > >

> > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> >

> > From what I remember when my son was tested is that the ref.

ranges

> > vary a lot depending on the child age. How old is your child?

> > Your pediatrician needs to find out the ref. ranges and not based

> his

> > dx on the lab ranges.

> >

> > If you go again to have free T3 done, I suggest you also check

> > iodine. Actually, I cannot remember, iodine might even be urine,

> not

> > blood. My son's thyroid symptoms were caused by a lack of iodine.

> > Once I changed our table salt, his symtoms really improved.

> >

> > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> > elements

> > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > significance

> > > of these?

> > >

> > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> >

> > is her globulin low? this relates to the immune system.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this Anne -

Interesting that the ranges listed here for TSH still appear to be

pretty high compared to a lot of talk out there about 2.0 and 3.0

being suspicous. Even at the stopthethyroidmadness site on the

childrens forum it is mentioned over and over that anything over 2 is

suspicous. I guess I'll just wait for the T3 results and go from

there.

Sheresa

> > > > T3, TOTAL 128 - (Ref range 127-221)

> > > > T-3 Uptake 31 - (Ref range 22-35)

> > > > T-4, Free 1.5 - (Ref range .9 - 1.6)

> > > >

> > > > T-4 (Thyroxine) TOTAL 10 - (Ref range 4.5 - 12.5)

> > > > Free T4 Index (T7) 3.1 - (Ref range 1.4 - 3.8)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.9 - (Ref range .70 - 6.40)

> > > >

> > > > Antibodies <20 - (Ref range <20)

> > >

> > > From what I remember when my son was tested is that the ref.

> ranges

> > > vary a lot depending on the child age. How old is your child?

> > > Your pediatrician needs to find out the ref. ranges and not

based

> > his

> > > dx on the lab ranges.

> > >

> > > If you go again to have free T3 done, I suggest you also check

> > > iodine. Actually, I cannot remember, iodine might even be

urine,

> > not

> > > blood. My son's thyroid symptoms were caused by a lack of

iodine.

> > > Once I changed our table salt, his symtoms really improved.

> > >

> > > > She also ran a comprehensive metabolic panel. The following

> > > elements

> > > > were out of range and I'm wondering if anyone knows the

> > > significance

> > > > of these?

> > > >

> > > > Creatinine .4 - (Ref range .5 - 1.2)

> > > > Bun/Creatinine Ratio 43 - (Ref range 6 - 25)

> > > > Albumin/Globulin Ratio 2.2 - (Ref range .8 - 2.0)

> > >

> > > is her globulin low? this relates to the immune system.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Does

> anyone know where to get the correct ref range info for children for

> the free T3, free T4, TSH?

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(Andy's rec's for free T3 and free T4)

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(pediatric ranges - may or may not be right for the lab you used)

W.