Re: chelating lead without DMSA

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Calcium EDTA chelates lead. There are choices of oral, IV, and suppository.

Yasko's Bone RNA can help to push out lead and cadmium, as these two metal

toxins usually deposit on the bone.

Limin

[ ] chelating lead without DMSA

Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

thanks, Kelle

[Guest guest]

In his Hair Test book Andy says that EDTA works well for lead; dose every 8

hours. ALA, he says, is of unknown effectiveness.

Dean

[ ] chelating lead without DMSA

Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

thanks, Kelle

[Guest guest]

Andy also says in Hair Test Interpretation (p. 246) that EDTA

should not be used with mercury toxic people under any

circumstances. He has also said this repeatedly in archives.

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> In his Hair Test book Andy says that EDTA works well for lead; dose

every 8

> hours. ALA, he says, is of unknown effectiveness.

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> Dean

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> Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

> increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

> I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

> anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

> thanks, Kelle

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[Guest guest]

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> In his Hair Test book Andy says that EDTA works well for lead; dose

every 8

> hours.

He also says that EDTA is contraindicated for mercury poisoning, so

it's best to chelate the mercury out before using EDTA.

J

ALA, he says, is of unknown effectiveness.

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> Dean

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> Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

> increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

> I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

> anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

> thanks, Kelle

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[Guest guest]

Andy has said that EDTA is contraindicated for mercury toxic folks.

What about DMPS?

S S

Re: chelating lead without DMSA

Posted by: " Dean " dmo25@... mouscher

Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:08 am (PST)

In his Hair Test book Andy says that EDTA works well for lead; dose every 8

hours. ALA, he says, is of unknown effectiveness.

Dean

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-Intolerant in what way? Often times we see people have issues with

dmsa due to dosing problems. How much did you try, how often, and what

problems did you notice? Many times, people see side effects from

untreated yeast too.

-- In , " screamingatpigeons "

<screamingatpigeons@...> wrote:

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> Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

> increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

> I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

> anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

> thanks, Kelle

>

[Guest guest]

I have MCS and to be honest, I could not tell you with any accuracy if

it was the DMSA I was reacting to or the metals it stirred. I became

very hysterical and my lower back was burning, which was calmed by

alkalising but my previous very good kidney energy became very weak

according to the acupuncturist and has not returned to its previous

strength, six months later and after taking homeopathic appropriate

for kidneys. I followed my naturopaths and doctors advice that DMSA is

soluble in water and took it that way, having diluted the 100mg and

taken the equivalent of 5mg twice. I am aware of the issues of the way

I took it but want an alternative to trying it again, if there is one.

I am failing at controlling yeast, which only flared when starting

chelation with ALA as I have never had (or noticed, maybe) a problem

there before.I am taking Nizoral and have tried Neem, GSE, Undecyn,

Candex and Nilstat and am taking a week off to get things " moving "

again. Any suggestions there would be appreciated, too.

thanks,

Kelle

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> -Intolerant in what way? Often times we see people have issues with

> dmsa due to dosing problems. How much did you try, how often, and what

> problems did you notice? Many times, people see side effects from

> untreated yeast too.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, so get mercury out with ALA then do EDTA?

I have been trying to get hold of some DMPS but my doctors say it

isn't available orally (Australia) and only want to inject it. I have

asked for a script but they keep shaking their heads at me (in more

ways than one!)

Can you get it without a script anywhere else out there?

thanks,

Kelle

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> Andy has said that EDTA is contraindicated for mercury toxic folks.

> What about DMPS?

> S S

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

> increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

> I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

> anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

Every once in a while, someone posts here that they used only ALA, and

tests showed their child was dumping lead. So altho it might not be

as good a chelator of lead as DMSA is, it is probably at least

somewhat effective.

Dana

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> I am failing at controlling yeast, which only flared when starting

> chelation with ALA as I have never had (or noticed, maybe) a problem

> there before.I am taking Nizoral and have tried Neem, GSE, Undecyn,

> Candex and Nilstat and am taking a week off to get things " moving "

> again. Any suggestions there would be appreciated, too.

Try taking a lot of daily biotin. Start with maybe 5mg and work up

from there. Also, Candidase taken together with GSE was effective at

my house.

Dana

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I am sorry to hear of your experience. This may in part be due to

dosing. Usually dmsa is taken ever four hours, but you need to have

proper supplements in place to support your body. The symptoms you

speak of do sound like the side effects we saw with my daughter when

she first began dmsa. After a few rounds and tweaking her

supplements we don't see this. Low back burning or pain is common

when you first begin to move metals, this is not kidneys like we

think. Andy does describe this in his book. Check Andy's supplement

list for chelation and see what to take. Milk thistle is essential

to help your liver also.

As for yeast, most anyone with metals has it, and they may or may

not be aware of it. It is very difficult to control, and will come

and go during chelation. At times we have it very controlled, but

other times...it goes crazy and we have to really attack it. As we

have gotten on in chelation, it has become easier to manage.

We do use GSE and keep increasing it until we see the yeast under

control. Yeast Aid also works. We also use high powered probiotics

and lots of them. You do have to watch what you eat..no sugar, limit

starches to complex carbs like whole grains only. No juices. In

essence it's finding what works for you. You could try Candidase too.

Script antifungals are fine too, but diflucan can be rough on the

liver...others are out there though. Some use nystatin powder, you

get it from the compounding pharmacy.

You do not need to dilute the dmsa in water, you can take it in a

capsule. Just dividing out the dose you need and putting it into an

empty capsule. I am not sure what supplements you are on, but likely

this may be the reason for your reaction, or the lack of supplements.

Unfortunatly dmsa is the most effective for Lead. EDTA is not

usually an option if you also have mercury. My suggestion would be

to get on the supplements listed by Andy. Along with yeast control

(take that before, during a round) then try a very low dose of dmsa

on the three day protocol. (taken every four hours..sooner if it

helps alleviate symptoms) The supplements help the side effects of

the metals stirring up. Were you also on ALA at the same time? I

find that ALA was the real culprit of inducing mental anxiety

symptoms in my daughter. What we had to do, was wait and do about 10

rounds of just dmsa, before adding in the ALA. It works fine for her

now. She cannot do ALA alone, or we see the symptoms again.

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> > -Intolerant in what way? Often times we see people have issues

with

> > dmsa due to dosing problems. How much did you try, how often,

and what

> > problems did you notice? Many times, people see side effects

from

> > untreated yeast too.

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Not in the US either. We do have oral dmps here but you need a

script. Not sure if you can order it with a script from overseas and

ship it to where you live or not. Your right to avoid the injected

part..bad news there.

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> > Andy has said that EDTA is contraindicated for mercury toxic

folks.

> > What about DMPS?

> > S S

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi folk, I am using 2 hourly dosings of ALA in increasing dose

> increments each round and all is going well, except for the yeast but

> I read that ALA doesn't chelate lead. I am intolerant of DMSA so does

> anyone know what to use to get the lead out?

> thanks, Kelle

>

It is unknown whether ALA clears lead or not, so I think it would be unwise to

assume it

does.

DMPS is well known NOT to clear lead to any clinically significant extent.

EDTA isn't appropriate as a mecury chelator, but if you have been chelating with

ALA for a

year or more you could use some EDTA every couple of months for the next 3-5

years to

get rid of the lead with probably not much risk. Use it by mouth every 8 hours,

you can

buy it as a nutritional supplement. Get an EDTA only formula, not one with

garlic, etc. in

it.

When taking the EDTA a lot of people get nausea if they start on the full dose,

so start with

smaller amounts and work up to a full capsule (500 mg) then stick with 500-1000

mg by

mouth every 8 hours for a week.

Do note that the mad yammering about chelators binding trace minerals is NOT

TRUE of

the thiol chelators, but IS true for EDTA so make sure you do take your zinc but

away from

the EDTA.

Consistent long term use is more important than doing a lot of EDTA over a short

period.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Oral DMPS is available as a compounded prescription. You can get a script

through the DAN doctors

who include this treatment in their protocol. Ours does..Dr. Cave.

Okay, so get mercury out with ALA then do EDTA?

I have been trying to get hold of some DMPS but my doctors say it

isn't available orally (Australia) and only want to inject it. I have

asked for a script but they keep shaking their heads at me (in more

ways than one!)

Can you get it without a script anywhere else out there?

thanks,