Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 > I assumed the products and doses were given to you by a doctor or > other medical professional. And that this professional recommended > that you get them compounded. And many of the products and doses >did not make sense to me, so it was *amusing*. Not really, as many of us know, doctors aren't the most helpful people in these matters. I did a little research on the minimum dosage of these and divided by 4 to be given 4 times a day so I wouldn't have to split them. >I can go thru them item by > item, but apparently that is not what you want. Don't mix up things, I want all the help I can get. If you can be so patient and nice as to do so after my cranky post, I'd be INCREDIBLY grateful. > I will do as you ask, and choose to no longer reply to your messages, > altho I can't promise I will be 100% successful. But my intent is not > to upset people, so I will do my best. Thank YOU for your patience. Again, you misunderstood me, I wasn't asking you not to reply to any of my posts, I just said that when a message annoys or irritates you, you can choose not to reply. I said that because I thought you were annoyed at what *I* said. I want to apologize for that cranky message. I totally misunderstood you. I thought you were aiming that comment directly to me. 100% my mistake. I was already fragile and feeling like shit over the fact that I could not make sense of the whole supplements thing and their price being astronomical that I took what you said personally when there was NO reason to do so. I am *deeply* sorry. > Please choose not to read my messages, in case I make a mistake and > accidentally reply to you. I assume you are also here to help your > child, and I definitely do not want to discourage that at all. It is > what recovered mine. Not my child, my brother. But in the practical scenario, that doesn't make any difference. I will definately not stop reading your posts as they are always very helpful. I apologize again for my previous message and hope you understand. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 > Not really, as many of us know, doctors aren't the most helpful people > in these matters. I did a little research on the minimum dosage of > these and divided by 4 to be given 4 times a day so I wouldn't have to > split them. In the US, compounding requires a prescription, which would require a doctor. Since you said you had already had some compounded, I assumed you had a doctor who wrote the rx. I will assume that the doses you wrote are 1/4 of the daily amount you will be giving. d-alpha tocopheryl: 70 mg Vitamin E. 30 IU is USRDA. I don't know how to convert mg into IU, but vitamin E is fat soluble, so I would not give more than 2x the USRDA without a good reason. Most is made from soy, so be careful if your child has issues with soy. Folinic acid: 200 mcg This is a reasonable dose for most kids. My son required a LOT more. Does tend to increase yeast, like all the Bs here except biotin, so watch for that. My son needed carnitine for proper absorption of all the B vitamins. Sodium ascorbate: 1190 mg Vitamin C? If so, it seems like a reasonable dose to start. My son needed a LOT more. He also needed carnitine for proper absorption. If it is helping eliminate viruses, it can cause yeast overgrowth, so watch for that. Most is made from corn, so if your child has corn issues, you might need to find a corn-free version, like TwinLabs Allergy C. Beta-carotene: 85 mg My son had massive problems with this, because his body did not convert carotenes. Once I corrected that problem, I did have to supplement it. I don't remember the dose, but if your child converts carotenes, this is probably an okay dose. Most children need to take vitamin A from a straight source, tho, not carotene. Biotin: 100 mcg USRDA is 300mcg, so this would be a minimal adequate dose. It works well for yeast control at my house, so for a while my son was on a much higher dose. Calcium (chelated): 175 mg This is okay so long as he is not calcium toxic [like my son was]. If he is deficient, you might want to increase it. It needs magnesium for proper absorption, sometimes also vitamins D and K. Cianocobalamin: 30 mcg Better to use methylcobalamin, it is better absorbed. This is more than USRDA, which is 6mcg, but most kids need a LOT more, like 1000 mcg or more. Needs folic acid for proper absorption. My son also needed it with carnitine. Pyridoxine chlorhydrate: 5 mg Vitamin B6. 5mg would be a reasonable dose to start, USRDA is 2mg. Many kids need a lot higher doses, but lower is good to start. Usually best to give it with magnesium, to avoid peripheral neuropathy, a symptom of B6 toxicity. It tends to deplete B2, my son developed severe B2 deficiency when taking B6 without a lot of supplemental B2. Cholecalciferol: 6,30 mcg Vitamin D. USRDA is 400 IU. I don't know how to convert mcg into IU. I would not take more than 200% USRDA without a good reason. I believe you live near the equator, so you may not need to supplement at all. Vitamin D gives me a massive headache if I take it in the summertime. Chromium (chelated): 20 mcg I have limited knowledge of minerals, because my son was mineral toxic. However, I did supplement this one for a week or so, with good results. After a week, he no longer needed it. USDA is approx 100mcg Phosphorus (chelated): 50 mg USRDA is 1000mg per day. Otherwise I have no experience, my son was mineral toxic. Licopen: 5 mg This is a carotenoid, which my son did not tolerate for many years, see comment above. Magnesium (chelated): 296 mg You may have to increase this dose to cover the other things you are giving that pull magnesium for proper absorption. Watch for signs of magnesium deficiency, like constipation and muscle cramps. Manganese (chelated): 0,6 mg 2mg is USRDA. It is a mineral, so I have little experience, except I once gave some to my #4, and it caused massive coughing spells, which is one symptom of manganese toxicity, so watch for that. Molybdenum (chelated): 250 mcg 70mcg is USRDA. I gave my son 100mcg for a while. Giving 200mcg caused problems. He was mineral toxic in most minerals tho, altho this one I was able to supplement for a few weeks. I would not give more than 200mcg per day without a good reason. Niacinamide: 20 mg 20mg is USRDA. Giving more B vitamins is usually good, but niacin can cause " flush " if you give too much. Not a fun experience, so use no-flush niacin if possible. Watch for flush, it is a redness of the skin, accompanied by a feeling of being burned. Nitrato de tiamina: 5 mg Vitamin B1? This is based on my rusty spanish from high school. My son needed a LOT of B1. USRDA is approx 3mg. This dose appears okay, altho might need to give more. Potassium (chelated): 40 mg This is one of the minerals I had to supplement. In US, you can't buy it in larger doses than 99mg per tablet [which is only 3% of USRDA], because too much can cause heart failure. I have taken as much as 4-5 tablets per day. Your dose multiplied by 4 appears to be okay. Riboflavin: 5 mg Vitamin B2. USRDA is approx 2.5mg. Your dose appears okay unless the B6 causes deficiency. Look for cracks in the corners of the mouth, and under the toes where the toes join the foot. Zinc (chelated): 19 mg USRDA is 15mg per day. Most autistic kids need more, altho your 80mg per day might be on the high side. How much does your child weigh? I don't see selenium on your list, which was one of the minerals I had to supplement. It caused nice improvements for my son. I also don't see vitamin B5. Any reason you are avoiding that? > Again, you misunderstood me, I wasn't asking you not to reply to any > of my posts, I just said that when a message annoys or irritates you, > you can choose not to reply. I ignore most messages that annoy or irritate me. I don't see any point in wasting my time on that sort of message. I replied to your message, to let you know that the types/doses seemed odd at times, and that my son never did well on any multi. I always recommend adding in new supplements one at a time, so you can determine what helps and what causes problems. You mentioned that you already had these ingredients compounded. How is your child doing with it? Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Thanks SO much for your reply. My brother weighs about 119 lbs (he's 17), those doses were roughly calculated based on that. Regarding magnesium, what would be a good dose for him, considering that apparently magnesium is gonna have to do a lot of work in aiding the absorption of other nutrients? What's the best form of this mineral? I recently heard a friend of my mom says wonders about magnesium chloride. What's your opinion? > > Not really, as many of us know, doctors aren't the most helpful people > > in these matters. I did a little research on the minimum dosage of > > these and divided by 4 to be given 4 times a day so I wouldn't have to > > split them. > > > In the US, compounding requires a prescription, which would require a > doctor. Since you said you had already had some compounded, I assumed > you had a doctor who wrote the rx. > > I will assume that the doses you wrote are 1/4 of the daily amount you > will be giving. > > > d-alpha tocopheryl: 70 mg > > > Vitamin E. 30 IU is USRDA. I don't know how to convert mg into IU, > but vitamin E is fat soluble, so I would not give more than 2x the > USRDA without a good reason. Most is made from soy, so be careful if > your child has issues with soy. > > > Folinic acid: 200 mcg > > > This is a reasonable dose for most kids. My son required a LOT more. > Does tend to increase yeast, like all the Bs here except biotin, so > watch for that. My son needed carnitine for proper absorption of all > the B vitamins. > > > Sodium ascorbate: 1190 mg > > > Vitamin C? If so, it seems like a reasonable dose to start. My son > needed a LOT more. He also needed carnitine for proper absorption. > If it is helping eliminate viruses, it can cause yeast overgrowth, so > watch for that. Most is made from corn, so if your child has corn > issues, you might need to find a corn-free version, like TwinLabs > Allergy C. > > > Beta-carotene: 85 mg > > > My son had massive problems with this, because his body did not > convert carotenes. Once I corrected that problem, I did have to > supplement it. I don't remember the dose, but if your child converts > carotenes, this is probably an okay dose. Most children need to take > vitamin A from a straight source, tho, not carotene. > > > Biotin: 100 mcg > > > USRDA is 300mcg, so this would be a minimal adequate dose. It works > well for yeast control at my house, so for a while my son was on a > much higher dose. > > > Calcium (chelated): 175 mg > > > This is okay so long as he is not calcium toxic [like my son was]. If > he is deficient, you might want to increase it. It needs magnesium > for proper absorption, sometimes also vitamins D and K. > > > Cianocobalamin: 30 mcg > > > Better to use methylcobalamin, it is better absorbed. This is more > than USRDA, which is 6mcg, but most kids need a LOT more, like 1000 > mcg or more. Needs folic acid for proper absorption. My son also > needed it with carnitine. > > > Pyridoxine chlorhydrate: 5 mg > > > Vitamin B6. 5mg would be a reasonable dose to start, USRDA is 2mg. > Many kids need a lot higher doses, but lower is good to start. > Usually best to give it with magnesium, to avoid peripheral > neuropathy, a symptom of B6 toxicity. It tends to deplete B2, my son > developed severe B2 deficiency when taking B6 without a lot of > supplemental B2. > > > Cholecalciferol: 6,30 mcg > > > Vitamin D. USRDA is 400 IU. I don't know how to convert mcg into IU. > I would not take more than 200% USRDA without a good reason. I > believe you live near the equator, so you may not need to supplement > at all. Vitamin D gives me a massive headache if I take it in the > summertime. > > > Chromium (chelated): 20 mcg > > > I have limited knowledge of minerals, because my son was mineral > toxic. However, I did supplement this one for a week or so, with good > results. After a week, he no longer needed it. USDA is approx 100mcg > > > Phosphorus (chelated): 50 mg > > > USRDA is 1000mg per day. Otherwise I have no experience, my son was > mineral toxic. > > > Licopen: 5 mg > > > This is a carotenoid, which my son did not tolerate for many years, > see comment above. > > > Magnesium (chelated): 296 mg > > > You may have to increase this dose to cover the other things you are > giving that pull magnesium for proper absorption. Watch for signs of > magnesium deficiency, like constipation and muscle cramps. > > > Manganese (chelated): 0,6 mg > > > 2mg is USRDA. It is a mineral, so I have little experience, except I > once gave some to my #4, and it caused massive coughing spells, which > is one symptom of manganese toxicity, so watch for that. > > > Molybdenum (chelated): 250 mcg > > > 70mcg is USRDA. I gave my son 100mcg for a while. Giving 200mcg > caused problems. He was mineral toxic in most minerals tho, altho > this one I was able to supplement for a few weeks. I would not give > more than 200mcg per day without a good reason. > > > Niacinamide: 20 mg > > > 20mg is USRDA. Giving more B vitamins is usually good, but niacin can > cause " flush " if you give too much. Not a fun experience, so use > no-flush niacin if possible. Watch for flush, it is a redness of the > skin, accompanied by a feeling of being burned. > > > Nitrato de tiamina: 5 mg > > Vitamin B1? This is based on my rusty spanish from high school. My > son needed a LOT of B1. USRDA is approx 3mg. This dose appears okay, > altho might need to give more. > > > Potassium (chelated): 40 mg > > > This is one of the minerals I had to supplement. In US, you can't buy > it in larger doses than 99mg per tablet [which is only 3% of USRDA], > because too much can cause heart failure. I have taken as much as 4-5 > tablets per day. Your dose multiplied by 4 appears to be okay. > > > Riboflavin: 5 mg > > > Vitamin B2. USRDA is approx 2.5mg. Your dose appears okay unless the > B6 causes deficiency. Look for cracks in the corners of the mouth, > and under the toes where the toes join the foot. > > > Zinc (chelated): 19 mg > > > USRDA is 15mg per day. Most autistic kids need more, altho your 80mg > per day might be on the high side. How much does your child weigh? > > I don't see selenium on your list, which was one of the minerals I had > to supplement. It caused nice improvements for my son. > > I also don't see vitamin B5. Any reason you are avoiding that? > > > > Again, you misunderstood me, I wasn't asking you not to reply to any > > of my posts, I just said that when a message annoys or irritates you, > > you can choose not to reply. > > > I ignore most messages that annoy or irritate me. I don't see any > point in wasting my time on that sort of message. I replied to your > message, to let you know that the types/doses seemed odd at times, and > that my son never did well on any multi. I always recommend adding in > new supplements one at a time, so you can determine what helps and > what causes problems. You mentioned that you already had these > ingredients compounded. How is your child doing with it? > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Ah yes, another question, what about carnitine (in the form of acetyl-l-carnitine)? 500mg? Too much? Too little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 > Thanks SO much for your reply. > My brother weighs about 119 lbs (he's 17), those doses were roughly > calculated based on that. > Regarding magnesium, what would be a good dose for him, considering > that apparently magnesium is gonna have to do a lot of work in aiding > the absorption of other nutrients? What's the best form of this > mineral? I recently heard a friend of my mom says wonders about > magnesium chloride. What's your opinion? My kids needed more than 1000mg per day for a while. Just increase it slowly until you notice diarrhea, then back down. USRDA is 400mg. I use oxide, but some people indicate that form is not the best. It works fine at my house tho. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 > > Ah yes, another question, what about carnitine (in the form of > acetyl-l-carnitine)? 500mg? Too much? Too little? Should be fine for most purposes and most people. My son needed a lot more than 500mg, but most people do fine with 500-1000mg. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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