Re: failing counting rules

[Guest guest]

Hi , you are right, I used the wrong terminology. I meant she MET 2 of

the counting rules. I'm sitting here reeling in guilt. Why didn't I chelate

earlier. Yes, she is older and they didn't have some of the protocols then

that they have now which made me hesitate so many years ago, but I should have

looked again sooner. I feel guilty for giving her the shots...I feel guilty

for not chelating earlier. This sucks!

So....once we get back these results do we still say our children are

autistic or mercury poisoned when people ask???

Kristi in Alabama

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[Guest guest]

No, I don't think you are putting this together correctly...or I am not

understanding you correctly.

You only need to MEET ONE of the counting rules (meaning your hair test matches

the rule, for example 4 or more in the red is the rule and you have 4). Failing

to meet a counting rule (for example, 4 or more in the red is the rule and you

only have 1 in the red) would mean that there is " likely " not a problem (and I

use the word likely as some people with mercury toxicity don't always meet the

rules and you have to look more objectively at the person and the test results).

If I am understanding you correctly, I think you are saying she actually MEETS 2

counting rules? IF that is what you mean, then yes, she is likely suffering from

mercury toxicity. There is no need to worry about meeting or not meeting any of

the other rules. You only need to meet ONE rule, even if you happen to meet more

than that.

If that doesn't clear things up, post your hair test results and we'll help you.

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From: Boopercat@...

ok, I'm reading Andy's book. I THINK my daughter has failed 2 of the

counting rules. Do I understand this to mean that she had deranged mineral

transport...failing 2 but not 4 of the rules? Also, does deranged mineral

transport

mean mercury poisoned? Am I putting this all together correctly?

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[Guest guest]

What happened to your daughter and how is important, but what is more important

is what you do about it now. Take comfort in knowing you are in a great spot to

get some really phenomenal help with chelating, so when you are ready to learn,

check the files and ask questions. There are wonderful people who consistently

contribute to this board who have a plethora of good info to share.

And yes, I do tell people my daughter has mercury poisoning, not autism. I find

it disingeniune to her not to say what it is really wrong with her. After all

she has been through, the least I can do is be honest to her and for her. It

was awkward at first, and sure, I still get raised eyebrows, but it doesn't

change the reality of what she actually has just because it's more comfortable

for others, you know? And more often than not, I get a lot of great

conversations going...

-------------- Original message --------------

From: Boopercat@...

Hi , you are right, I used the wrong terminology. I meant she MET 2 of

the counting rules. I'm sitting here reeling in guilt. Why didn't I chelate

earlier. Yes, she is older and they didn't have some of the protocols then

that they have now which made me hesitate so many years ago, but I should have

looked again sooner. I feel guilty for giving her the shots...I feel guilty

for not chelating earlier. This sucks!

So....once we get back these results do we still say our children are

autistic or mercury poisoned when people ask???

Kristi in Alabama

**************************************

See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

Kristi,

How old is your dd? Mine was born in the thimersosl decade- '90s, and

we just started IV chelation. I felt sooo guilty when we started

biomed. When she was younger, we did a different detox protocol with

a homeopathic physician. Back then I was scared to do chemical

chelation, I was hearing so many conflicting things about it and she

was so young. I didn't think she had gut problems, so I didn't do

gfcf either. The prevailing mentality then was that if the child

didn't recover by age 5, it wouldn't happen. Now DAN has so many more

options, chelation wise, there is more known and there are more

treatments available outside of chelation. I beat myself up with

guilt for a couple months, but after going to the DAN! clinic a few

times, I noticed that there were alot of older kids, teens and even

adults who were doing biomed. There is great hope now and there are

older children who are recovering or improving significantly. Don't

give up. If you need a net friend with an older child and some guilt

baggage, feel free to email me.

[Guest guest]

Why IV instead of the safer oral chelation?

S S

Kristi,

How old is your dd? Mine was born in the thimersosl decade- '90s, and

we just started IV chelation. I felt sooo guilty when we started

biomed. When she was younger, we did a different detox protocol with

a homeopathic physician. Back then I was scared to do chemical

chelation, I was hearing so many conflicting things about it and she

was so young. I didn't think she had gut problems, so I didn't do

gfcf either. The prevailing mentality then was that if the child

didn't recover by age 5, it wouldn't happen. Now DAN has so many more

options, chelation wise, there is more known and there are more

treatments available outside of chelation. I beat myself up with

guilt for a couple months, but after going to the DAN! clinic a few

times, I noticed that there were alot of older kids, teens and even

adults who were doing biomed. There is great hope now and there are

older children who are recovering or improving significantly. Don't

give up. If you need a net friend with an older child and some guilt

baggage, feel free to email me.

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I went back and forth between oral, rectal and IV. We were working

with two different DAN's. One wanted to do IV, and the other wanted

to do suppositories. So I asked a third, Dr. McCandless, I am on a

group with her, and she said with older children it is better

to go with IV because it is more efficient and that with older

children we need to be more aggressive. She is also chelating her 14

year old granddaughter with IV. I considered oral, it is definately

cheaper and more well known, but all I heard from parents was that it

made yeast horrible and unmanageable.

I did though attend a lecture by Jim , I believe, yesterday at

AutismOne. He just completed a DMSA chelation study and found that

one round of DMSA can normalize glutathione levels for up to two

months. But benefits of 7 rounds compared to 1 round were only

slightly higher. So it is something to consider in the future, but

we are going to do IV's for awhile and see how it goes.

>

>

> Why IV instead of the safer oral chelation?

> S S

[Guest guest]

Moving the mercury is what causes increased yeast. Is the IV chelation done on

an inpatient basis in order to dose on the half-life of the chelator? Being

" aggressive " with chelation is what causes redistribution. Please read the FAQs

of this list.

S S

I went back and forth between oral, rectal and IV. We were working

with two different DAN's. One wanted to do IV, and the other wanted

to do suppositories. So I asked a third, Dr. McCandless, I am on a

group with her, and she said with older children it is better

to go with IV because it is more efficient and that with older

children we need to be more aggressive. She is also chelating her 14

year old granddaughter with IV. I considered oral, it is definately

cheaper and more well known, but all I heard from parents was that it

made yeast horrible and unmanageable.

I did though attend a lecture by Jim , I believe, yesterday at

AutismOne. He just completed a DMSA chelation study and found that

one round of DMSA can normalize glutathione levels for up to two

months. But benefits of 7 rounds compared to 1 round were only

slightly higher. So it is something to consider in the future, but

we are going to do IV's for awhile and see how it goes.

>

>

> Why IV instead of the safer oral chelation?

> S S

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> I did though attend a lecture by Jim , I believe, yesterday at

> AutismOne. He just completed a DMSA chelation study and found that

> one round of DMSA can normalize glutathione levels for up to two

> months. But benefits of 7 rounds compared to 1 round were only

> slightly higher.

I wanted to scream during that lecture. For one thing, since DMSA is really good

at getting

out lead, and lead comes out of the bones slowly, there is no way that a small

number of

rounds is going to take care of the problem. I know he said that possibly the

kids could

benefit from longer treatment, but JEEZ there is no way 1 freaking round of DMSA

is going

to be all that's necessary to chelate a lead- or Hg-toxic person. Or even close.

I thought

implying that was deeply irresponsible and demonstrated colossal cluelessness.

Another thing I wanted to point out to him is that if the study measurements

depend on

observations of people other than family members, the result is going to be

skewed with

such a short time-line. With n (and I suspect this happens for most of us?)

he showed

improvements at home long before they were strong enough to make it into his

public

behavior. For example, he got to be expressive in his face and vocal tone at

home, pretty

much all the time, but at school or anyplace not home, he was still doing that

mask-face

and talking with a flat tone. So *I iknew he was masking amazing progess, but a

tester

wouldn't have seen anything.

And another thing! advised against using ALA. @@

ANyway, I'm not Jim 's biggest fan.

Nell