Re: Mercury chelation Leaky gut HELP!!!!

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[ ] Mercury chelation Leaky gut HELP!!!!

Hey all,

I'm new to this board, so I'll make my story as brief and concise as

possible. I'm a 24 yr. old male, and I'm desperately searching for

help from people familiar with my problem. Here it goes.

Basically i was on DMPS and DMSA (orally) for a while which turned

my tongue yellow. Before I started the first round of DMPS, I was

already having to avoid gluten because of a pretty big allergy to it

which was causing a leaky gut already.

Now, was it smart for my doc to put me on the DMPS and DMSA before

my gut was healed?

The reason I ask is because my leaky gut still hasn't healed up and

it's been almost 2 years now since i cut out gluten. The last round

of DMSA took me into Dec. of '06.

Now, one doc said that she thought the DMPS and DMSA dumped mercury

into my gut, further damaging my intestinal lining. Now, first

question, is can this happen? second, will my gut be able to heal

if there's mercury in there? or will i have to get the mercury out

before it can heal?

I'm going crazy, because most docs shrug their shoulders when i

mention DMPS and DMSA saying they don't know much about it, or that

they don't think it messed me up. But my God, how could it not of?

My tongue didn't turn yellow until i took it, and my gut just won't

heal.

As for diet I eat extremely healthy, and i have been tested for

candida via stool and blood, both came back negative.

Now, if it is mercury in my gut, what's the best way to get it out?

I don't want to use chelation agents again like DMPS, DMSA, EDTA,

etc. So is there anything natural? I heard chlorella, N-acytl

cysteine, etc., worked well at removing gut mercury, but is that

true?

Any info/help would be extremely appreciated. I just want to fix my

stomach. It's even gotten to the point of getting allergic to

vitamins. I really don't know what to do or who to talk to. How

can i fix this?

Thanks and sorry for posting in this forum even though it's not

directly related to autism. I'm just lost as to who would know

about this subject.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey all,

>

> I'm new to this board, so I'll make my story as brief and concise as

> possible. I'm a 24 yr. old male, and I'm desperately searching for

> help from people familiar with my problem. Here it goes.

>

> Basically i was on DMPS and DMSA (orally) for a while which turned

> my tongue yellow. Before I started the first round of DMPS, I was

> already having to avoid gluten because of a pretty big allergy to it

> which was causing a leaky gut already.

Have you removed amalgams? That is step one - no chelators should

be used if you have any dental amalgams (silver fillings).

What doses did you take and how frequently? The doses prescribed

were likely too high and given too infrequently. Appropriate starting

dose is about 12.5 mg for most adults. DMSA should be given every

4 hours or more often, including at night. DMPS should be given

every 8 hours or more often, including at night. At some point

you will need to use ALA every 3 hours or more often, including

at night.

Again, none of these should be used with amalgams.

Even with low, frequent dosing, dysbiosis is common when metals are

moving through the gut. High doses of probiotics and various dietary

restrictions can be very helpful.

> Now, was it smart for my doc to put me on the DMPS and DMSA before

> my gut was healed?

Did the doctor ever give glutamine to help heal your leaky gut?

> The reason I ask is because my leaky gut still hasn't healed up and

> it's been almost 2 years now since i cut out gluten. The last round

> of DMSA took me into Dec. of '06.

Cutting out gluten is not enough - you probably need high doses of

good probiotics, dietary restrictions beyond gluten, glutamine, and

perhaps other treatments.

> Now, one doc said that she thought the DMPS and DMSA dumped mercury

> into my gut, further damaging my intestinal lining. Now, first

> question, is can this happen? second, will my gut be able to heal

> if there's mercury in there? or will i have to get the mercury out

> before it can heal?

You can improve the situation a lot before the mercury is out.

> I'm going crazy, because most docs shrug their shoulders when i

> mention DMPS and DMSA saying they don't know much about it, or that

> they don't think it messed me up. But my God, how could it not of?

> My tongue didn't turn yellow until i took it, and my gut just won't

> heal.

It is not the DMPS or DMSA, it is the metals that cause the dysbiosis.

> As for diet I eat extremely healthy, and i have been tested for

> candida via stool and blood, both came back negative.

Negative results are possible even if you have candida in your

body. You can also have other pathogens such as bacteria and

parasites.

> Now, if it is mercury in my gut, what's the best way to get it out?

> I don't want to use chelation agents again like DMPS, DMSA, EDTA,

> etc. So is there anything natural? I heard chlorella, N-acytl

> cysteine, etc., worked well at removing gut mercury, but is that

> true?

DMPS, DMSA, and ALA are the only effective means to remove metals

from your body. Chlorella can hurt you and is not a chelator.

NAC can make some people feel better and some people feel worse -

either way it is not a chelator.

> Any info/help would be extremely appreciated. I just want to fix my

> stomach. It's even gotten to the point of getting allergic to

> vitamins. I really don't know what to do or who to talk to. How

> can i fix this?

You need to get proper treatment. You probably do have allergies

to many foods and supplements after two years with a leaky gut.

NAET or Bioset can help with allergies.

A very good starting point for you is this book:

http://www.noamalgam.com

The adult chelation groups are also helpful:

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation

> Thanks and sorry for posting in this forum even though it's not

> directly related to autism. I'm just lost as to who would know

> about this subject.

Many of us (chelating adults) find this group very helpful. You

are in a good place. The adult chelation groups will be very

helpful resource as well.

--

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you so much for responding, I can't tell you how much this means to me.

As for fillings, i have none, they believe the high levels of mercury were

from the large amounts of canned Tuna i ate growing up. almost every day i had

it.

as for the dosage, the DMPS was 150mg capsules taken 3x a day for 3 days, then

11 days off. The DMSA was i believe roughly the same mg and it was also 3x a

day for 3 days, then 11 days off. I was never told about the every 4 or 8 hours

even at night protocol. Where did that come from? Why didn't my doc know that?

As for the leaky gut, the doc never game me L-glutamine because she said it

would heal on its own just by cutting gluten out. Then shortly after she put me

on the chelating drugs. Until this past May, i wasn't taking L-glutamine, but

started due to my worries I still had mercury in my gut, which was causing the

increasing food allergies. So now I take roughly 4g of L-glutamine, split 2g in

morning and 2g in evening. I have no idea if that's even enough?

And for probiotics, what's a good brand? Natren? because that's what i've

been taking, but i'm concerned with taking things too long as I seem to develop

sensitivities to them.

I actually started seeing someone who does NAET and BIOSET, not sure if it's

working but I hope so.

You mentioned at some point I need to take ALA. When should i consider doing

this? also, does ALA pull metal out of the intestines? What about saunas?

Because I really just want to clear this mercury out of my stomach and heal it

all up.

Hope to hear from you soon, and thanks again for taking the time. I'll check

out those links you gave me.

<sage@...> wrote:

>

> Hey all,

>

> I'm new to this board, so I'll make my story as brief and concise as

> possible. I'm a 24 yr. old male, and I'm desperately searching for

> help from people familiar with my problem. Here it goes.

>

> Basically i was on DMPS and DMSA (orally) for a while which turned

> my tongue yellow. Before I started the first round of DMPS, I was

> already having to avoid gluten because of a pretty big allergy to it

> which was causing a leaky gut already.

Have you removed amalgams? That is step one - no chelators should

be used if you have any dental amalgams (silver fillings).

What doses did you take and how frequently? The doses prescribed

were likely too high and given too infrequently. Appropriate starting

dose is about 12.5 mg for most adults. DMSA should be given every

4 hours or more often, including at night. DMPS should be given

every 8 hours or more often, including at night. At some point

you will need to use ALA every 3 hours or more often, including

at night.

Again, none of these should be used with amalgams.

Even with low, frequent dosing, dysbiosis is common when metals are

moving through the gut. High doses of probiotics and various dietary

restrictions can be very helpful.

> Now, was it smart for my doc to put me on the DMPS and DMSA before

> my gut was healed?

Did the doctor ever give glutamine to help heal your leaky gut?

> The reason I ask is because my leaky gut still hasn't healed up and

> it's been almost 2 years now since i cut out gluten. The last round

> of DMSA took me into Dec. of '06.

Cutting out gluten is not enough - you probably need high doses of

good probiotics, dietary restrictions beyond gluten, glutamine, and

perhaps other treatments.

> Now, one doc said that she thought the DMPS and DMSA dumped mercury

> into my gut, further damaging my intestinal lining. Now, first

> question, is can this happen? second, will my gut be able to heal

> if there's mercury in there? or will i have to get the mercury out

> before it can heal?

You can improve the situation a lot before the mercury is out.

> I'm going crazy, because most docs shrug their shoulders when i

> mention DMPS and DMSA saying they don't know much about it, or that

> they don't think it messed me up. But my God, how could it not of?

> My tongue didn't turn yellow until i took it, and my gut just won't

> heal.

It is not the DMPS or DMSA, it is the metals that cause the dysbiosis.

> As for diet I eat extremely healthy, and i have been tested for

> candida via stool and blood, both came back negative.

Negative results are possible even if you have candida in your

body. You can also have other pathogens such as bacteria and

parasites.

> Now, if it is mercury in my gut, what's the best way to get it out?

> I don't want to use chelation agents again like DMPS, DMSA, EDTA,

> etc. So is there anything natural? I heard chlorella, N-acytl

> cysteine, etc., worked well at removing gut mercury, but is that

> true?

DMPS, DMSA, and ALA are the only effective means to remove metals

from your body. Chlorella can hurt you and is not a chelator.

NAC can make some people feel better and some people feel worse -

either way it is not a chelator.

> Any info/help would be extremely appreciated. I just want to fix my

> stomach. It's even gotten to the point of getting allergic to

> vitamins. I really don't know what to do or who to talk to. How

> can i fix this?

You need to get proper treatment. You probably do have allergies

to many foods and supplements after two years with a leaky gut.

NAET or Bioset can help with allergies.

A very good starting point for you is this book:

http://www.noamalgam.com

The adult chelation groups are also helpful:

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation

> Thanks and sorry for posting in this forum even though it's not

> directly related to autism. I'm just lost as to who would know

> about this subject.

Many of us (chelating adults) find this group very helpful. You

are in a good place. The adult chelation groups will be very

helpful resource as well.

--

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Thank you so much for responding, I can't tell you how much this

means to me.

>

> As for fillings, i have none, they believe the high levels of

mercury were from the large amounts of canned Tuna i ate growing up.

almost every day i had it.

>

> as for the dosage, the DMPS was 150mg capsules taken 3x a day for

3 days, then 11 days off. The DMSA was i believe roughly the same mg

and it was also 3x a day for 3 days, then 11 days off.

I was never told about the every 4 or 8 hours even at night

protocol. Where did that come from? Why didn't my doc know that?

>

Taking DMSA at 4 h intervals and DMPS at 8 h intervals is taking the

dose at the half life of the drug. This is an important concept in

pharmacology that doctors, apparently, are not usually aware of. In

the case of chelation it is extremely important because taking the

chelator at the half life will maintain blood levels of drug fairly

consistent and prevent the chelators from dropping a whole bunch of

metals in places where they weren't before (redistribution).

What has happened is that the DMSA and DMPS have deposited metals in

new places in your body. The only way to get the metals out is to

take the chelators properly.

> As for the leaky gut, the doc never game me L-glutamine because

she said it would heal on its own just by cutting gluten out. Then

shortly after she put me on the chelating drugs. Until this past May,

i wasn't taking L-glutamine, but started due to my worries I still had

mercury in my gut, which was causing the increasing food allergies.

So now I take roughly 4g of L-glutamine, split 2g in morning and 2g in

evening. I have no idea if that's even enough?

>

Not enough

> And for probiotics, what's a good brand? Natren? because that's

what i've been taking, but i'm concerned with taking things too long

as I seem to develop sensitivities to them.

>

Some have mentioned custom probiotics as a good brand. I found 'good'

probiotics too expensive. I am making my own with goat's milk yogurt

(nut milks can be used for casein sensitive people).

> I actually started seeing someone who does NAET and BIOSET, not

sure if it's working but I hope so.

>

> You mentioned at some point I need to take ALA. When should i

consider doing this? also, does ALA pull metal out of the intestines?

You can try low doses (like 5-15 mg every 3 h) of ALA after you do

some reading and understand how to chelate properly.

I think that the best for you would be to try chelation with DMPS,

5-15 mg every 6-8 h. Because DMPS can be taken at a relatively long

interval you can get a better sleep while chelating and therefore go

for longer rounds. Many people report chelation with DMPS is easier

on the gut.

Be sure to read this book:

http://www.noamalgam.com/

and go to this group:

frequent-dose-chelation/

and read through the files and links sections.

J

> What about saunas? Because I really just want to clear this

mercury out of my stomach and heal it all up.

>

Saunas are helpful (just do regular dry sauna) but they don't take the

place of proper chelation.

J

> Hope to hear from you soon, and thanks again for taking the time.

I'll check out those links you gave me.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the help.

I'm curious as for the redistribution of Mercury in my body, how does it

affect the intestinal lining in my gut, ie leaky gut? Does it just line the

intestines and deny the growth of new villi (not sure if i spelled that right)

or something?

And as for the L-glutamine, how many grams is safe and effective to take?

Does it matter if one eats a lot of protein from poultry?

And as for ALA, I was reading and noticed it said it can redeposit mercury as

well because it is a weak binder. Is that true? And are you avoiding that

downfall of it by taking it every 3 hours?

I have so many questions buzzing in my head right now I'll have to leave it

for that. I'm getting more answers now than I have at countless doctors visits.

Thanks again

P.S. I signed up for the other group, and I also am curious how I can make

probiotics from nut milk.. I never heard of that before.

<lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Thank you so much for responding, I can't tell you how much this

means to me.

>

> As for fillings, i have none, they believe the high levels of

mercury were from the large amounts of canned Tuna i ate growing up.

almost every day i had it.

>

> as for the dosage, the DMPS was 150mg capsules taken 3x a day for

3 days, then 11 days off. The DMSA was i believe roughly the same mg

and it was also 3x a day for 3 days, then 11 days off.

I was never told about the every 4 or 8 hours even at night

protocol. Where did that come from? Why didn't my doc know that?

>

Taking DMSA at 4 h intervals and DMPS at 8 h intervals is taking the

dose at the half life of the drug. This is an important concept in

pharmacology that doctors, apparently, are not usually aware of. In

the case of chelation it is extremely important because taking the

chelator at the half life will maintain blood levels of drug fairly

consistent and prevent the chelators from dropping a whole bunch of

metals in places where they weren't before (redistribution).

What has happened is that the DMSA and DMPS have deposited metals in

new places in your body. The only way to get the metals out is to

take the chelators properly.

> As for the leaky gut, the doc never game me L-glutamine because

she said it would heal on its own just by cutting gluten out. Then

shortly after she put me on the chelating drugs. Until this past May,

i wasn't taking L-glutamine, but started due to my worries I still had

mercury in my gut, which was causing the increasing food allergies.

So now I take roughly 4g of L-glutamine, split 2g in morning and 2g in

evening. I have no idea if that's even enough?

>

Not enough

> And for probiotics, what's a good brand? Natren? because that's

what i've been taking, but i'm concerned with taking things too long

as I seem to develop sensitivities to them.

>

Some have mentioned custom probiotics as a good brand. I found 'good'

probiotics too expensive. I am making my own with goat's milk yogurt

(nut milks can be used for casein sensitive people).

> I actually started seeing someone who does NAET and BIOSET, not

sure if it's working but I hope so.

>

> You mentioned at some point I need to take ALA. When should i

consider doing this? also, does ALA pull metal out of the intestines?

You can try low doses (like 5-15 mg every 3 h) of ALA after you do

some reading and understand how to chelate properly.

I think that the best for you would be to try chelation with DMPS,

5-15 mg every 6-8 h. Because DMPS can be taken at a relatively long

interval you can get a better sleep while chelating and therefore go

for longer rounds. Many people report chelation with DMPS is easier

on the gut.

Be sure to read this book:

http://www.noamalgam.com/

and go to this group:

frequent-dose-chelation/

and read through the files and links sections.

J

> What about saunas? Because I really just want to clear this

mercury out of my stomach and heal it all up.

>

Saunas are helpful (just do regular dry sauna) but they don't take the

place of proper chelation.

J

> Hope to hear from you soon, and thanks again for taking the time.

I'll check out those links you gave me.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, you can avoid this by taking it every three hours. Most people do

three-day cycles with either four days or eleven days off in between. During

that time, you need to supplement, supplement, supplement! Also while you are

chelating, you need to supplement and drink lots of water. Most people doing

the DMSA/ALA combo do three hours during the day and four hours at night (since

your metabolism slows down and you can get more sleep.) However, I have heard of

some people who need to take the ALA every two to three hours, because they

metabolize it so fast.

Expect to feel tired the day after chelating. Also, use yeast-killers and

probiotics throughout a cycle, not together, please!

High-dose Vit C is helpful for feeling better.

Remember minerals, especially zinc.

Barb

Re: [ ] Re: Mercury chelation Leaky gut HELP!!!!

,

Thanks for the help.

I'm curious as for the redistribution of Mercury in my body, how does it

affect the intestinal lining in my gut, ie leaky gut? Does it just line the

intestines and deny the growth of new villi (not sure if i spelled that right)

or something?

And as for the L-glutamine, how many grams is safe and effective to take? Does

it matter if one eats a lot of protein from poultry?

And as for ALA, I was reading and noticed it said it can redeposit mercury as

well because it is a weak binder. Is that true? And are you avoiding that

downfall of it by taking it every 3 hours?

I have so many questions buzzing in my head right now I'll have to leave it

for that. I'm getting more answers now than I have at countless doctors visits.

Thanks again

P.S. I signed up for the other group, and I also am curious how I can make

probiotics from nut milk.. I never heard of that before.

<lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Thank you so much for responding, I can't tell you how much this

means to me.

>

> As for fillings, i have none, they believe the high levels of

mercury were from the large amounts of canned Tuna i ate growing up.

almost every day i had it.

>

> as for the dosage, the DMPS was 150mg capsules taken 3x a day for

3 days, then 11 days off. The DMSA was i believe roughly the same mg

and it was also 3x a day for 3 days, then 11 days off.

I was never told about the every 4 or 8 hours even at night

protocol. Where did that come from? Why didn't my doc know that?

>

Taking DMSA at 4 h intervals and DMPS at 8 h intervals is taking the

dose at the half life of the drug. This is an important concept in

pharmacology that doctors, apparently, are not usually aware of. In

the case of chelation it is extremely important because taking the

chelator at the half life will maintain blood levels of drug fairly

consistent and prevent the chelators from dropping a whole bunch of

metals in places where they weren't before (redistribution).

What has happened is that the DMSA and DMPS have deposited metals in

new places in your body. The only way to get the metals out is to

take the chelators properly.

> As for the leaky gut, the doc never game me L-glutamine because

she said it would heal on its own just by cutting gluten out. Then

shortly after she put me on the chelating drugs. Until this past May,

i wasn't taking L-glutamine, but started due to my worries I still had

mercury in my gut, which was causing the increasing food allergies.

So now I take roughly 4g of L-glutamine, split 2g in morning and 2g in

evening. I have no idea if that's even enough?

>

Not enough

> And for probiotics, what's a good brand? Natren? because that's

what i've been taking, but i'm concerned with taking things too long

as I seem to develop sensitivities to them.

>

Some have mentioned custom probiotics as a good brand. I found 'good'

probiotics too expensive. I am making my own with goat's milk yogurt

(nut milks can be used for casein sensitive people).

> I actually started seeing someone who does NAET and BIOSET, not

sure if it's working but I hope so.

>

> You mentioned at some point I need to take ALA. When should i

consider doing this? also, does ALA pull metal out of the intestines?

You can try low doses (like 5-15 mg every 3 h) of ALA after you do

some reading and understand how to chelate properly.

I think that the best for you would be to try chelation with DMPS,

5-15 mg every 6-8 h. Because DMPS can be taken at a relatively long

interval you can get a better sleep while chelating and therefore go

for longer rounds. Many people report chelation with DMPS is easier

on the gut.

Be sure to read this book:

http://www.noamalgam.com/

and go to this group:

frequent-dose-chelation/

and read through the files and links sections.

J

> What about saunas? Because I really just want to clear this

mercury out of my stomach and heal it all up.

>

Saunas are helpful (just do regular dry sauna) but they don't take the

place of proper chelation.

J

> Hope to hear from you soon, and thanks again for taking the time.

I'll check out those links you gave me.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Now, was it smart for my doc to put me on the DMPS and DMSA before

> my gut was healed?

Many times, the gut can't heal until the metals are removed.

> The reason I ask is because my leaky gut still hasn't healed up and

> it's been almost 2 years now since i cut out gluten. The last round

> of DMSA took me into Dec. of '06.

Are you celiac, or just gluten intolerant? I know of a few celiac

individuals who lost their celiac dx at the end of chelation, but it

did take all the way to the end.

My son tolerated no foods. It took ALA chelation plus several

supplements, including digestive enzymes and B vitamins, before he

lost his food issues.

> My tongue didn't turn yellow until i took it, and my gut just won't

> heal.

Is it white, like thrush? That would be a sign of yeast, and yeast

overgrowth can definitely contribute to leaky/damaged gut

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> As for diet I eat extremely healthy, and i have been tested for

> candida via stool and blood, both came back negative.

What about other strains of yeast?

> Now, if it is mercury in my gut, what's the best way to get it out?

> I don't want to use chelation agents again like DMPS, DMSA, EDTA,

> etc. So is there anything natural?

I used ALA for all four of my kids, and now myself.

> Any info/help would be extremely appreciated. I just want to fix my

> stomach. It's even gotten to the point of getting allergic to

> vitamins. I really don't know what to do or who to talk to. How

> can i fix this?

I would start first by trying digestive enzymes. I used HNI at my

house, with very good results

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Thank you so much for responding, I can't tell you how much this

means to me.

>

> As for fillings, i have none, they believe the high levels of

mercury were from the large amounts of canned Tuna i ate growing up.

almost every day i had it.

This will do it. Vaccines and environmental exposure also contribute.

> as for the dosage, the DMPS was 150mg capsules taken 3x a day for

3 days, then 11 days off. The DMSA was i believe roughly the same mg

and it was also 3x a day for 3 days, then 11 days off. I was never

told about the every 4 or 8 hours even at night protocol. Where did

that come from? Why didn't my doc know that?

I won't repeat 's answer about dosing at the half-life, since

she put it across well. I will add that some doctors have actually

heard of this, but they still recommend 8 hour dosing - they just

don't believe it is necessary. I would say they have not been toxic

themselves and don't know what it feels like. Sorry you had to go

through this before you found this group.

> As for the leaky gut, the doc never game me L-glutamine because

she said it would heal on its own just by cutting gluten out. Then

shortly after she put me on the chelating drugs. Until this past May,

i wasn't taking L-glutamine, but started due to my worries I still had

mercury in my gut, which was causing the increasing food allergies.

So now I take roughly 4g of L-glutamine, split 2g in morning and 2g in

evening. I have no idea if that's even enough?

I don't know the dosage. Have you noticed any improvement at all?

You may need other things like more careful diet, good probiotics

and perhaps other treatments. It is really hard to avoid gluten

unless you have good information on how to do that - try

http://www.celiac.com).

> And for probiotics, what's a good brand? Natren? because that's

what i've been taking, but i'm concerned with taking things too long

as I seem to develop sensitivities to them.

I have used Natren, but it is expensive to take enough of it to

do anything. I need at least 75 billion organisms per day to do

any good. Some other brands to consider are Klaire and Custom

Probiotics. You can find other recommendations in archives.

I haven't tried the SCD yogurt, but this may be a good bet if

you tolerate dairy.

> I actually started seeing someone who does NAET and BIOSET, not

sure if it's working but I hope so.

It can take awhile to get real improvement depending on how many

things you are allergic to and what you treat first, etc. I could

see something was happening during the first few treatments, so

I stuck with it.

> You mentioned at some point I need to take ALA. When should i

consider doing this? also, does ALA pull metal out of the intestines?

What about saunas? Because I really just want to clear this mercury

out of my stomach and heal it all up.

ALA will remove mercury from the brain and from the deeper tissues

of the body. It crosses cell membranes and DMSA and DMPS can't do

that. Regular sauna can help if you tolerate the heat and sweat

well - avoid FIR sauna.

Your gut symptoms will improve with the right treatment. What kind

of symptoms are you having? I have had gastritis in addition to

dysbiosis problems. Gastritis is a different thing and needs

different treatment.

--

> Hope to hear from you soon, and thanks again for taking the time.

I'll check out those links you gave me.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> It's very difficult to say whether my intestines have improved at

all because I've never really had gastrointestinal pain or bloating,

discomfort etc., during this whole process. It's always been silent,

like something (mercury) or something else is in their damaging my gut

and I don't know it until more food allergies develop later on, and I

get delayed food reactions like pins and needles, weird chills, etc.

Really goofy weird symptoms that go away when I have more food allergy

tests and cut out those foods.. It's what's been going on for a while.

And finally I had a leaky gut test done and it showed i had one. The

lactulose/mannitol test.

Those symptoms don't sound like allergies to me - more like mercury

symptoms or pathogen-related (yeast, parasites, etc). Do the foods

you eliminated happen to be high carb foods (grains, starchy veggies,

sugars, fruits)?

> As for avoiding gluten I believe I have done a good job of that,

seeing as I did a lot of research on where it is, and I eat NO

processed foods at all, and avoid anything close to containing or

being contaminated with gluten.

Sounds like you are doing well. Do you avoid buying foods from bulk

bins (which can be cross-contaminated with gluten)? Do you know that

the adhesive on mailing envelopes has gluten in it? Some OTC and Rx

medicines have gluten. I'm sure there are other things I am not

thinking of.

Some people are more sensitive than others and will have problems

with these things - you may or not be that sensitive.

> Now, regarding ALA (and I'm going to buy that book everyone's been

talking about.) I presume that when you say it pulls mercury out of

deep tissue, that would be my intestines too correct? Also, would

that alone help my gut out and remove the mercury from my body? And

is it safer or less potent on the gut than DMPS and DMSA?

Yes, ALA would remove mercury from your intestines, so it will help

your gut if mercury is the problem. It takes time, though, so you

can't expect immediate recovery. Many people find it helpful to use

DMSA or DMPS along with ALA - this can help to reduce symptoms and

increases excretion of mercury.

DMSA, DMPS, and ALA are all " potent " in the sense that they are true

chelators (unlike a lot of products that are marketed as chelators or

as heavy metal detox products, but which are neither safe nor

effective).

Potent is good - you have to use something that will actually carry

the mercury out of your body. Chelators will do that and they only

cause unmanageable symptoms when used improperly.

Proper use means keeping the dose low (so you don't pull more mercury

than your body can handle) and taking doses at the half-life (so that

mercury is not " dropped " each time a dose wears off).

> Regarding my gut, i noticed yesterday I ate a lot of bananas, and

my tongue was NEON, and i mean NEON yellow today. I thought it was

the sugar, but other times when I eat a lot of dates my tongue doesn't

turn that color.. Just a thought. But what I really wanted to say was

that when i first started the diet, i ate no more than 1 fruit a day

I don't know about you, but I cannot eat one fruit per day without

causing problems with my gut. At times when I am doing well, I can

do this once for a special occasion, but I cannot do it every day or

the problem snowballs again.

Maybe you will find a way to eat fruit - the SCD diet allows fruit

and some people do well on it.

for a LONG time, and i still had the colored tongue and the allergies

kept getting worse. So what I'm thinking is that the Mercury is

what's causing the discolored tongue, and NOT something like candida?

Is that possible or does the tongue definitely point to some sort of

infection. I also should say when I had my stool test done my good

bacteria was pretty low, and the e.coli one , and some other bacteria

the lab considered neutral was also high. I had no detectable BAD

bacteria.. what does this indicate?

Trust me, the yellow or white tongue is due to pathogens growing

on it.

You definitely need to build up your good bacteria - very important.

No detectable bad bacteria (or yeast) is not conclusive. The tests

are not perfect and sometimes these things don't culture well.

One reason can be you were already eating a pretty careful diet.

When I eat a careful diet, these tests show no pathogens in my

gut. If I eat fruit for a few days beforehand, pathogens show up.

It's as if the pathogens go into hiding if there is no sugar around

to feed them, but they come out when sugar (or gluten or whatever)

is available.

> Finally, (wow my post is long sorry about that), is the amalgam

book worth it? Does it explain how to detox mercury?

Yes, it is of great value. It explains how mercury affects your

body, how to diagnose the problem, what you can do to deal with the

symptoms, and how to chelate safely. There is no substitute. It

will be the best $35 you ever spent. No one else understands mercury

toxicity like Andy does. This is THE book.

> Also, do certain chinese herbs help remove mercury? are they

safe? do they too have a half life where they can possibly

redistribute mercury?

No - there are no chinese herbs that chelate mercury. Sometimes

remedies like this can stir up mercury, though, causing symptoms

and making your problems worse.

> Lastly, as far as normal saunas go, why go that route versus the

infrared sauna which i take is what you mean by FIR sauan? Because

I've read how great infrared saunas are, but I only have access to

normal ones anyway. I should mention i did the suana once before and

for a few days after i felt like i had a touch of the flu (achey) and

some other stuff. What was this feeling from?

Some have had bad reactions to FIR saunas. Andy says it has to do

with the FIR heaters not heating the body evenly, which causes

problems. There is more discussion of this in archives.

Feeling poorly after the sauna could be related to adrenal problems,

which you certainly have. This makes it harder for your body to

recover from the heat and harder to re-balance the electrolytes

lost through sweating. If you don't sweat well, that could have

something to do with it, too.

> Okay, I think that's it.. haha.. sorry for such a ong winded post

but these questions have been building up in my head for a lonnnnggg

time with no one to ask.

No problem. I hope some of this helps. It takes time to put it

all together and start getting better, but you are on the right

track.

By the way, did I give you this link? I don't think so. If you

haven't come across this site yet, it's a great place to start

reading until you get Andy's book:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

--

> Thanks again everybody,

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

As for the food allergies its hard to say, because basically anything i eat in

excess i get allergic to. From nuts, to nightshades, to citrus fruits, to

squash, etc. So maybe it is a little of both causing the symptoms? Some of my

symptoms actually stopped last time i cut out my vitamin supplements, seems like

those were even starting to bother me.

As for ALA, is it unsafe to take it by itself if I didn't want to take DMPS

and DMSA again? Does anything help the ALA excrete the mercury besides those

two drugs?

Regarding chinese herbs, is it good to get on some of those to kill the

fungus/bacteria in my gut? I know a very good herbalist in the LA area who has

helped my family many times, but the last time i was put on the herbs i ate a

ton of fruit so i really couldn't say if it helped or not. But is it a good

idea to try and kill the bad guys before going on any chelating agents again???

Lastly the adrenals you mentioned.. I had fatigued adrenals a while ago shown

through a blood test. Does mercury affect adrenals? Also, is the best way to

nourish fatigued ones eating salt? That's what I thought I heard.

Anyhow, thanks for the info

<sage@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> It's very difficult to say whether my intestines have improved at

all because I've never really had gastrointestinal pain or bloating,

discomfort etc., during this whole process. It's always been silent,

like something (mercury) or something else is in their damaging my gut

and I don't know it until more food allergies develop later on, and I

get delayed food reactions like pins and needles, weird chills, etc.

Really goofy weird symptoms that go away when I have more food allergy

tests and cut out those foods.. It's what's been going on for a while.

And finally I had a leaky gut test done and it showed i had one. The

lactulose/mannitol test.

Those symptoms don't sound like allergies to me - more like mercury

symptoms or pathogen-related (yeast, parasites, etc). Do the foods

you eliminated happen to be high carb foods (grains, starchy veggies,

sugars, fruits)?

> As for avoiding gluten I believe I have done a good job of that,

seeing as I did a lot of research on where it is, and I eat NO

processed foods at all, and avoid anything close to containing or

being contaminated with gluten.

Sounds like you are doing well. Do you avoid buying foods from bulk

bins (which can be cross-contaminated with gluten)? Do you know that

the adhesive on mailing envelopes has gluten in it? Some OTC and Rx

medicines have gluten. I'm sure there are other things I am not

thinking of.

Some people are more sensitive than others and will have problems

with these things - you may or not be that sensitive.

> Now, regarding ALA (and I'm going to buy that book everyone's been

talking about.) I presume that when you say it pulls mercury out of

deep tissue, that would be my intestines too correct? Also, would

that alone help my gut out and remove the mercury from my body? And

is it safer or less potent on the gut than DMPS and DMSA?

Yes, ALA would remove mercury from your intestines, so it will help

your gut if mercury is the problem. It takes time, though, so you

can't expect immediate recovery. Many people find it helpful to use

DMSA or DMPS along with ALA - this can help to reduce symptoms and

increases excretion of mercury.

DMSA, DMPS, and ALA are all " potent " in the sense that they are true

chelators (unlike a lot of products that are marketed as chelators or

as heavy metal detox products, but which are neither safe nor

effective).

Potent is good - you have to use something that will actually carry

the mercury out of your body. Chelators will do that and they only

cause unmanageable symptoms when used improperly.

Proper use means keeping the dose low (so you don't pull more mercury

than your body can handle) and taking doses at the half-life (so that

mercury is not " dropped " each time a dose wears off).

> Regarding my gut, i noticed yesterday I ate a lot of bananas, and

my tongue was NEON, and i mean NEON yellow today. I thought it was

the sugar, but other times when I eat a lot of dates my tongue doesn't

turn that color.. Just a thought. But what I really wanted to say was

that when i first started the diet, i ate no more than 1 fruit a day

I don't know about you, but I cannot eat one fruit per day without

causing problems with my gut. At times when I am doing well, I can

do this once for a special occasion, but I cannot do it every day or

the problem snowballs again.

Maybe you will find a way to eat fruit - the SCD diet allows fruit

and some people do well on it.

for a LONG time, and i still had the colored tongue and the allergies

kept getting worse. So what I'm thinking is that the Mercury is

what's causing the discolored tongue, and NOT something like candida?

Is that possible or does the tongue definitely point to some sort of

infection. I also should say when I had my stool test done my good

bacteria was pretty low, and the e.coli one , and some other bacteria

the lab considered neutral was also high. I had no detectable BAD

bacteria.. what does this indicate?

Trust me, the yellow or white tongue is due to pathogens growing

on it.

You definitely need to build up your good bacteria - very important.

No detectable bad bacteria (or yeast) is not conclusive. The tests

are not perfect and sometimes these things don't culture well.

One reason can be you were already eating a pretty careful diet.

When I eat a careful diet, these tests show no pathogens in my

gut. If I eat fruit for a few days beforehand, pathogens show up.

It's as if the pathogens go into hiding if there is no sugar around

to feed them, but they come out when sugar (or gluten or whatever)

is available.

> Finally, (wow my post is long sorry about that), is the amalgam

book worth it? Does it explain how to detox mercury?

Yes, it is of great value. It explains how mercury affects your

body, how to diagnose the problem, what you can do to deal with the

symptoms, and how to chelate safely. There is no substitute. It

will be the best $35 you ever spent. No one else understands mercury

toxicity like Andy does. This is THE book.

> Also, do certain chinese herbs help remove mercury? are they

safe? do they too have a half life where they can possibly

redistribute mercury?

No - there are no chinese herbs that chelate mercury. Sometimes

remedies like this can stir up mercury, though, causing symptoms

and making your problems worse.

> Lastly, as far as normal saunas go, why go that route versus the

infrared sauna which i take is what you mean by FIR sauan? Because

I've read how great infrared saunas are, but I only have access to

normal ones anyway. I should mention i did the suana once before and

for a few days after i felt like i had a touch of the flu (achey) and

some other stuff. What was this feeling from?

Some have had bad reactions to FIR saunas. Andy says it has to do

with the FIR heaters not heating the body evenly, which causes

problems. There is more discussion of this in archives.

Feeling poorly after the sauna could be related to adrenal problems,

which you certainly have. This makes it harder for your body to

recover from the heat and harder to re-balance the electrolytes

lost through sweating. If you don't sweat well, that could have

something to do with it, too.

> Okay, I think that's it.. haha.. sorry for such a ong winded post

but these questions have been building up in my head for a lonnnnggg

time with no one to ask.

No problem. I hope some of this helps. It takes time to put it

all together and start getting better, but you are on the right

track.

By the way, did I give you this link? I don't think so. If you

haven't come across this site yet, it's a great place to start

reading until you get Andy's book:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

--

> Thanks again everybody,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> As for the food allergies its hard to say, because basically

anything i eat in excess i get allergic to. From nuts, to

nightshades, to citrus fruits, to squash, etc. So maybe it is a

little of both causing the symptoms? Some of my symptoms actually

stopped last time i cut out my vitamin supplements, seems like those

were even starting to bother me.

I would bet some of both is going on, but the leaky gut is the

biggest concern. I just looked up the product I used, called

Glutagenics (made by Metagenics). It has 3.5 grams of glutamine

per teaspoon. I took 3 teaspoons per day. I found it really

helpful. Not sure if you want to use this product, but I would

try working up your dose of glutamine a bit more and see if that

helps. Licorice is also good for healing, so you could try that

as well.

> As for ALA, is it unsafe to take it by itself if I didn't want to

take DMPS and DMSA again? Does anything help the ALA excrete the

mercury besides those two drugs?

Some people do chelate with ALA alone. It will work by itself.

DMPS/DMSA are not required.

Adding the DMPS or DMSA has been found to help reduce symptoms

for some people, but not everyone needs this. For me, the ALA

causes lots of symptoms so I have taken DMSA or DMPS in addition

to ALA. Some people do just fine with ALA by itself - in fact,

some people feel really great on it. It's certainly worth a try.

> Regarding chinese herbs, is it good to get on some of those to

kill the fungus/bacteria in my gut? I know a very good herbalist in

the LA area who has helped my family many times, but the last time i

was put on the herbs i ate a ton of fruit so i really couldn't say if

it helped or not. But is it a good idea to try and kill the bad guys

before going on any chelating agents again???

I have used chinese herbs for various symptoms. They can be very

helpful for things like hormone balance and immune support, in my

experience. Just be a bit careful. I have had mixed experiences,

a couple of acupuncturists who gave me things that made me worse.

In general, when you try something new (whether it is herbs or

a supplement), introduce just that one thing at a low dose and

work up slowly to be sure you don't have a problem with it. I guess

you may have learned that already

Don't let anyone give you chlorella or cilantro or a lot of high

sulfur " green drinks " .

> Lastly the adrenals you mentioned.. I had fatigued adrenals a

while ago shown through a blood test. Does mercury affect adrenals?

Also, is the best way to nourish fatigued ones eating salt? That's

what I thought I heard.

Mercury can affect the adrenal glands themselves or the hypothalamus

and pituitary which control adrenal function. Andy has a section in

the book on adrenal insufficiency. He talks about other hormone

issues as well (thyroid, testosterone, etc).

Salt can be really helpful if your aldosterone is low, or generally

if your electrolyte balance is out of whack with low sodium. I have

found it very helpful, though I take a mixture of electrolyes (salt,

magnesium, potassium). Licorice can also help if aldosterone is low

(and it will help your gut).

You probably need more than salt. What blood test did you have?

Did you ever have a saliva test for cortisol? Most people need

either herbs and/or glandulars to support their adrenals, or Rx

hormone support such as hydrocortisone or cortef. This can be

very helpful with your gut problems. Cortisol is essential for

healing and also supports immune function. It may be the missing

piece you need to heal your gut.

--

> Anyhow, thanks for the info

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'll look into that metagenics product. That's 10.5 grams of L-glutamine a

day, which is what i've read is what people should take to heal leaky gut...

I'll definitely up my dosing.

I think part of me is scared to try ALA because I don't want to make my

situatino worse. Right now, I can still function, work out, etc., and what I'm

wondering is, will ALA change that? Will I feel lousy where I can't exercise or

work? That's my biggest concern. If I can still feel like I do now with minor

symptoms, I'd want to do it.

Also, as far as the DMPS and DMSA I took, do you think it at least worked a

little bit as far as lessoning the mercury in my body??? Taking care of at

least some of the problem? I'm hoping it did because then I don't have as much

mercury to remove as before.

What kind of symptoms does on experience while on ALA that you speak of as

lessoning when you take DMSA and DMPS?

For chinese herbs I'm going back down to see this doc soon, to get some more

herbs to kill whatever is living in my gut. Last time I took them I didn't cut

out all the fruit like I should have.. i need to be a lot more strict with that

this time.. It's just i need that kind of food for energy.

For the adrenals I had a cortisol blood test and some other things like

testosterone and all that which was all low... I took some supps a while back,

and everything got better, though I still suspect my adrenals get tired on me a

lot.. Like when I get really nervous or an adrenaline rush (normally the fight

or flight kind) my left side gets weak/shaky feeling. Otherwise though I can

still exercise pretty hard and I don't feel that bad so I'm guessing there sort

of fatigued. But in the book that you said I should get does it address what to

do for the adrenal fatigue? like foods that are good for it, etc.

The saliva test I had was inconclusive, showing sky high levels of cortisol so

they did the blood test a couple times showing low normal levels.

Anywayz, I think that's all i have.

PS. I forgot. speaking of gut bugs, I noticed when I eat sweet potatoes

sometimes I pass gass A LOT. And sometimes when I take probiotics the gas

increasing. Does this mean it's eating the complex carbs in there?

Also, for food allergies, I use to rotate foods every 4 days, but I didn't pay

attention to food families. Now, I switched to rotating food families every 4

days. Will this provide even more protection of getting new food allergies to

specific foods? Because I noticed when I didn't pay attention to this before, i

would get allergic to a whole family because I was having different food

everyday, but from the same family.

<sage@...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> As for the food allergies its hard to say, because basically

anything i eat in excess i get allergic to. From nuts, to

nightshades, to citrus fruits, to squash, etc. So maybe it is a

little of both causing the symptoms? Some of my symptoms actually

stopped last time i cut out my vitamin supplements, seems like those

were even starting to bother me.

I would bet some of both is going on, but the leaky gut is the

biggest concern. I just looked up the product I used, called

Glutagenics (made by Metagenics). It has 3.5 grams of glutamine

per teaspoon. I took 3 teaspoons per day. I found it really

helpful. Not sure if you want to use this product, but I would

try working up your dose of glutamine a bit more and see if that

helps. Licorice is also good for healing, so you could try that

as well.

> As for ALA, is it unsafe to take it by itself if I didn't want to

take DMPS and DMSA again? Does anything help the ALA excrete the

mercury besides those two drugs?

Some people do chelate with ALA alone. It will work by itself.

DMPS/DMSA are not required.

Adding the DMPS or DMSA has been found to help reduce symptoms

for some people, but not everyone needs this. For me, the ALA

causes lots of symptoms so I have taken DMSA or DMPS in addition

to ALA. Some people do just fine with ALA by itself - in fact,

some people feel really great on it. It's certainly worth a try.

> Regarding chinese herbs, is it good to get on some of those to

kill the fungus/bacteria in my gut? I know a very good herbalist in

the LA area who has helped my family many times, but the last time i

was put on the herbs i ate a ton of fruit so i really couldn't say if

it helped or not. But is it a good idea to try and kill the bad guys

before going on any chelating agents again???

I have used chinese herbs for various symptoms. They can be very

helpful for things like hormone balance and immune support, in my

experience. Just be a bit careful. I have had mixed experiences,

a couple of acupuncturists who gave me things that made me worse.

In general, when you try something new (whether it is herbs or

a supplement), introduce just that one thing at a low dose and

work up slowly to be sure you don't have a problem with it. I guess

you may have learned that already

Don't let anyone give you chlorella or cilantro or a lot of high

sulfur " green drinks " .

> Lastly the adrenals you mentioned.. I had fatigued adrenals a

while ago shown through a blood test. Does mercury affect adrenals?

Also, is the best way to nourish fatigued ones eating salt? That's

what I thought I heard.

Mercury can affect the adrenal glands themselves or the hypothalamus

and pituitary which control adrenal function. Andy has a section in

the book on adrenal insufficiency. He talks about other hormone

issues as well (thyroid, testosterone, etc).

Salt can be really helpful if your aldosterone is low, or generally

if your electrolyte balance is out of whack with low sodium. I have

found it very helpful, though I take a mixture of electrolyes (salt,

magnesium, potassium). Licorice can also help if aldosterone is low

(and it will help your gut).

You probably need more than salt. What blood test did you have?

Did you ever have a saliva test for cortisol? Most people need

either herbs and/or glandulars to support their adrenals, or Rx

hormone support such as hydrocortisone or cortef. This can be

very helpful with your gut problems. Cortisol is essential for

healing and also supports immune function. It may be the missing

piece you need to heal your gut.

--

> Anyhow, thanks for the info

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry for the delayed reply...

> >

> > ,

> >

> > As for the food allergies its hard to say, because basically

> anything i eat in excess i get allergic to. From nuts, to

> nightshades, to citrus fruits, to squash, etc. So maybe it is a

> little of both causing the symptoms? Some of my symptoms actually

> stopped last time i cut out my vitamin supplements, seems like those

> were even starting to bother me.

>

> I would bet some of both is going on, but the leaky gut is the

> biggest concern. I just looked up the product I used, called

> Glutagenics (made by Metagenics). It has 3.5 grams of glutamine

> per teaspoon. I took 3 teaspoons per day. I found it really

> helpful. Not sure if you want to use this product, but I would

> try working up your dose of glutamine a bit more and see if that

> helps. Licorice is also good for healing, so you could try that

> as well.

>

> > As for ALA, is it unsafe to take it by itself if I didn't want to

> take DMPS and DMSA again? Does anything help the ALA excrete the

> mercury besides those two drugs?

>

> Some people do chelate with ALA alone. It will work by itself.

> DMPS/DMSA are not required.

>

> Adding the DMPS or DMSA has been found to help reduce symptoms

> for some people, but not everyone needs this. For me, the ALA

> causes lots of symptoms so I have taken DMSA or DMPS in addition

> to ALA. Some people do just fine with ALA by itself - in fact,

> some people feel really great on it. It's certainly worth a try.

>

> > Regarding chinese herbs, is it good to get on some of those to

> kill the fungus/bacteria in my gut? I know a very good herbalist in

> the LA area who has helped my family many times, but the last time i

> was put on the herbs i ate a ton of fruit so i really couldn't say if

> it helped or not. But is it a good idea to try and kill the bad guys

> before going on any chelating agents again???

>

> I have used chinese herbs for various symptoms. They can be very

> helpful for things like hormone balance and immune support, in my

> experience. Just be a bit careful. I have had mixed experiences,

> a couple of acupuncturists who gave me things that made me worse.

> In general, when you try something new (whether it is herbs or

> a supplement), introduce just that one thing at a low dose and

> work up slowly to be sure you don't have a problem with it. I guess

> you may have learned that already

>

> Don't let anyone give you chlorella or cilantro or a lot of high

> sulfur " green drinks " .

>

> > Lastly the adrenals you mentioned.. I had fatigued adrenals a

> while ago shown through a blood test. Does mercury affect adrenals?

> Also, is the best way to nourish fatigued ones eating salt? That's

> what I thought I heard.

>

> Mercury can affect the adrenal glands themselves or the hypothalamus

> and pituitary which control adrenal function. Andy has a section in

> the book on adrenal insufficiency. He talks about other hormone

> issues as well (thyroid, testosterone, etc).

>

> Salt can be really helpful if your aldosterone is low, or generally

> if your electrolyte balance is out of whack with low sodium. I have

> found it very helpful, though I take a mixture of electrolyes (salt,

> magnesium, potassium). Licorice can also help if aldosterone is low

> (and it will help your gut).

>

> You probably need more than salt. What blood test did you have?

> Did you ever have a saliva test for cortisol? Most people need

> either herbs and/or glandulars to support their adrenals, or Rx

> hormone support such as hydrocortisone or cortef. This can be

> very helpful with your gut problems. Cortisol is essential for

> healing and also supports immune function. It may be the missing

> piece you need to heal your gut.

>

> --

>

> > Anyhow, thanks for the info

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>