Re: Need help/who knows about safe root canal products?

April 6, 2007

For future reference, from what I understand BioCalex is more biocompatible than

Gutta Percha.

S S

I just recently received a retreat on a root canal. Originally the

root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the silver

points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He replaced

it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it is from

a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and per what

they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does have

barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not sure

what that means.

I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product is safe

for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he had heard

it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta Percha

products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their product. I

have another root canal which is in good shape and did not require a

retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it most likely

has Gutta Percha in it as well.

Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

Thanks a ton!!

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April 6, 2007

Gutta percha is contaminated with a heavy metal, not sure which one

maybe cadmium, the colorant you refer too. BioCalex is supposed to

be better, if you chose to have this done.

But in essence, as we have discussed before on this board, root

canals are bad for you. A dead tooth gives off toxic bacteria that

in dangerous to your immune system and body. These have been

associated with cancers and breast cancers.

You can probably chelate with the root canals in. But most people do

not fine a full recovery from amalgam poisoning without removing the

root canals at some point. But yes, Cadmium is what I was told was

in the gutta percha.

>

> I just recently received a retreat on a root canal.

Originally the

> root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the

silver

> points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He

replaced

> it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it is

from

> a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and per

what

> they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does have

> barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not sure

> what that means.

> I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product is

safe

> for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he had

heard

> it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta Percha

> products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their product.

I

> have another root canal which is in good shape and did not require

a

> retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it most

likely

> has Gutta Percha in it as well.

> Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

>

> Thanks a ton!!

>

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> >

> > I just recently received a retreat on a root canal.

> Originally the

> > root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the

> silver

> > points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He

> replaced

> > it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it is

> from

> > a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and per

> what

> > they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does have

> > barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not sure

> > what that means.

> > I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product is

> safe

> > for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he had

> heard

> > it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta Percha

> > products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their product.

> I

> > have another root canal which is in good shape and did not require

> a

> > retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it most

> likely

> > has Gutta Percha in it as well.

> > Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

> >

> > Thanks a ton!!

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

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April 6, 2007

I read it in " It's All in Your Head " By Hal Huggins

Read this book. It will pretty much sums up what you need to know.

Colorant is usually cadmium or mercury in the dental industry. They

use the same stuff to color dentures and retainers.

You don't need a bridge. You can get a metal free partial. My

bilogical dentist makes these. Most dentist offer metal free

partials. It's removable and does not require filing down healthy

teeth. It's also easier on the immune system.

An acceptable filler for cavities are composites that don't contain

Bisphenol A's. Most good biological dentist will test to be sure you

are not sensitive the new composite materials.

I would probably not chelate with ALA if I were unsure of what was

in my root canal. But you could use dmsa. Are you sure they removed

the mercury put in the tip of the root canal. They don't use silver

it's mercury amalgam. Also the amount of metals in the gutta percha

might be very minute and not make much difference in the scheme of

chelation. They just say that if you are trying to recover from

amalgam poisoning, that removing the root canals is key for immune

recovery. And to be sure there is NO mercury amalgam in your mouth.

People often chelate while wearing braces, which can pull a bit of

nickel out of the braces, but not much more exposure than eating

from stainless steel. This I wouldn't do myself though.

I am not sure I would waste time educating a dentist. It is often

easier to find one who is already aware of these things. Unless this

one is VERY open minded and open to accepting that what he was

taught in dental school is wrong.

Go to IAOMT.org

> > >

> > > I just recently received a retreat on a root

canal.

> > Originally the

> > > root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the

> > silver

> > > points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He

> > replaced

> > > it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it

is

> > from

> > > a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and

per

> > what

> > > they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does

have

> > > barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not

sure

> > > what that means.

> > > I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product

is

> > safe

> > > for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he

had

> > heard

> > > it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta

Percha

> > > products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their

product.

> > I

> > > have another root canal which is in good shape and did not

require

> > a

> > > retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it

most

> > likely

> > > has Gutta Percha in it as well.

> > > Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

> > >

> > > Thanks a ton!!

> > >

> > > _______________________________________________

> > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > > The most personalized portal on the Web!

> > >

> >

>

April 6, 2007

Andy has said gutta percha is okay if placed properly:

adult-metal-chelation/message/25620

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> >

> > I just recently received a retreat on a root canal.

> Originally the

> > root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the

> silver

> > points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He

> replaced

> > it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it is

> from

> > a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and per

> what

> > they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does have

> > barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not sure

> > what that means.

> > I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product is

> safe

> > for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he had

> heard

> > it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta Percha

> > products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their product.

> I

> > have another root canal which is in good shape and did not require

> a

> > retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it most

> likely

> > has Gutta Percha in it as well.

> > Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

> >

> > Thanks a ton!!

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > The most personalized portal on the Web!

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April 6, 2007

No offense, but I think Andy's a little off on this one. NO root canal is ok

for the immune system....not even Biocalex (been there, done that).

<sage@...> wrote: Andy has said gutta percha is okay if

placed properly:

adult-metal-chelation/message/25620

--

> >

> > I just recently received a retreat on a root canal.

> Originally the

> > root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the

> silver

> > points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He

> replaced

> > it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it is

> from

> > a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and per

> what

> > they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does have

> > barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not sure

> > what that means.

> > I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product is

> safe

> > for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he had

> heard

> > it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta Percha

> > products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their product.

> I

> > have another root canal which is in good shape and did not require

> a

> > retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it most

> likely

> > has Gutta Percha in it as well.

> > Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

> >

> > Thanks a ton!!

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

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April 7, 2007

So, if root canals are that bad for you then what's the alternative?

on 4/7/07 1:47 AM, at

wrote:

> No offense, but I think Andy's a little off on this one. NO root canal is ok

> for the immune system....not even Biocalex (been there, done that).

>

> <sage@...> wrote: Andy has said gutta percha is okay

> if placed properly:

>

> adult-metal-chelation/message/25620

>

> --

>

>>

>> Gutta percha is contaminated with a heavy metal, not sure which one

>> maybe cadmium, the colorant you refer too. BioCalex is supposed to

>> be better, if you chose to have this done.

>> But in essence, as we have discussed before on this board, root

>> canals are bad for you. A dead tooth gives off toxic bacteria that

>> in dangerous to your immune system and body. These have been

>> associated with cancers and breast cancers.

>>

>> You can probably chelate with the root canals in. But most people do

>> not fine a full recovery from amalgam poisoning without removing the

>> root canals at some point. But yes, Cadmium is what I was told was

>> in the gutta percha.

April 7, 2007

I agree. My understanding from my research is, it's not the

material that the filling/root canal post is made of. It's the

bacteria that buildsup in the pocket in the jaw. A lot of my

research was from the people on Curezone and Dr. Hulda . I've

just finished replacing all my fillings (13) and now am planning on

removing the root canal. I don't want to do it, but I'm tired of

being tired. Removing the root canal by a dentist who's will to

cleaning out the pocket is important.

> > >

> > > I just recently received a retreat on a root canal.

> > Originally the

> > > root canal had silver points in it. The endodonist removed the

> > silver

> > > points and there was a spec of amalgam which he removed. He

> > replaced

> > > it with a product called Gutta Percha which as I understand it

is

> > from

> > > a rubber tree plant. I saw the MSDS sheet on the product and

per

> > what

> > > they have to report it does not appear to have metals it does

have

> > > barium sulfate and something called colorants. Which I am not

sure

> > > what that means.

> > > I am wanting to chelate so I wanted to make sure this product

is

> > safe

> > > for chelation. Another environmental dentist told me that he

had

> > heard

> > > it might have cadnium. I called the mfr. of two differ Gutta

Percha

> > > products and it appears that neither had cadnium in their

product.

> > I

> > > have another root canal which is in good shape and did not

require

> > a

> > > retreat. There does not seem to be an amalgam in it but it

most

> > likely

> > > has Gutta Percha in it as well.

> > > Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

> > >

> > > Thanks a ton!!

> > >

> > > _______________________________________________

> > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> > > The most personalized portal on the Web!

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> >

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April 7, 2007

what was the filling material for root canals prior to gutta percha?

I had a root canal done in 2001... I don´t know which material was

used to fill it with. I do see a little darker area in the root canal

tooth, but I don´t think it´s an amalgam residue because amalgams

weren´t placed in this tooth.

I guess I should ask my dentist...

April 7, 2007

Is gutta percha a thin cone that the dentist inserts inside your tooth

and then ``melts´´ it?

April 7, 2007

I don't know anything about gutta percha, but my root canal was done

with a metal rod and later capped which had a metal underside. You're

right to check with the dentist for the type of material used.

>

> what was the filling material for root canals prior to gutta percha?

> I had a root canal done in 2001... I don´t know which material was

> used to fill it with. I do see a little darker area in the root canal

> tooth, but I don´t think it´s an amalgam residue because amalgams

> weren´t placed in this tooth.

> I guess I should ask my dentist...

>

April 7, 2007

(apologies in advance if this shows up twice - but my first post is

taking forever to show up and I was under the impression that this

group was not moderated)

I have seen a lot of the sites that publish info regarding root canals

and anaerobic bacteria proliferating in the tubules of the teeth and

how toxic this situation is. In theory, it sounds like something

plausible.

But then I start to wonder about difficulties with this line of

thinking, like how it is that the bacteria can live in a mostly

enclosed place, when normally we would think that living so close to

their own metabolic wastes/endotoxins would inherently limit their

growth. And if they are actually spreading out in the local area, why

aren't they coming into contact with blood and the immune system in

general?

And then I further wonder how these things are mostly diagnosed by

imaging bone with ultrasound, which is normally only considered to be

useful in penetrating soft tissues.

Can anyone direct me to any good literature on this matter, that

doesn't expect that the theory should be persuasive by itself or that

can address the theoretical difficulties?

I literally cannot find anything empirical - all the stuff I read is

theoretical or anecdotal (which is not useless by any means, but it

also doesn't help me understand how much placebo effect is influencing

things and also doesn't correct for the fact that people who feel

strongly that a procedure especially worked for them, or especially

didn't work for them are the ones most likely to seek out venues

online to discuss them etc.).

Any help received with gratitude,

Patti

April 7, 2007

The " rod " is a post and probably either stainless steel (which contains 5%

nickel) or titanium (which also contains 5% nickel).

S S

I don't know anything about gutta percha, but my root canal was done

with a metal rod and later capped which had a metal underside. You're

right to check with the dentist for the type of material used.

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April 7, 2007

It was common in the past to put a little bit of amalgam in the tip of the root

canal as part of the root canal process.

S S

what was the filling material for root canals prior to gutta percha?

I had a root canal done in 2001... I don´t know which material was

used to fill it with. I do see a little darker area in the root canal

tooth, but I don´t think it´s an amalgam residue because amalgams

weren´t placed in this tooth.

I guess I should ask my dentist...

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