Re: Pink tinged urine and soreness

[Guest guest]

I would get checked for a UTI, or just try some unsweetened

cranberry juice (or cranberry capsules) and see if that helps.

--

>

> I was doing DMSA only for a while... then I tried an ALA only round

8/4, but

> I messed up the timing so I only got a few doses in before I had to

abort.

> The first thing I noticed with the ALA was that not only did my

urine smell

> different, it was pink tinged and urination hurt a little. After

the last

> dose, the pink tinge went away so I had just figured it was the mercury

> coming out.

>

> This time I did a full DMSA+ALA round, from the 27th to the 29th.

The first

> few doses I had the pink tinge to my urine again, but then it went

away. I

> finished that round a little on the dehydrated side, despite

drinking tons

> of water and eating lots of salt - so I've spent the last week

getting my

> fluids back up to par. Now here's the catch: I haven't taken any more

> chelation agents since the 29th, but since I got rehydrated, the

pink tinge

> to the urine is back and my bladder feels like it does when I'm

chelating

> (which is kinda like its really full, but it only has a little bit

in it)

> and I have a mild soreness on urination.

>

> Is it possible I still have some chelation agents in my system even

though I

> stopped taking them on the 29th?

>

> I don't mind the pink urine so much, but the soreness on urination

and the

> feeling like my bladder is about to explode even when it only has a

drop in

> it is killing me! Any ideas on how to fix these issues?

>

> -Lana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lana,

Speaking as someone who has interstitial cystitis, the first thing I

would do is get a urinalysis which will tell you if there are red

and/or white blood cells present in your urine. If there are red

blood cells, it is possible that chelation or something else, is

irritating your bladder, but there may not be any infection. If

there are white blood cells present, then I would have a urine

culture done being sure to collect the specimen by clean catch

method. My cystitis will flare with certain foods, supps, and most

especially probiotics. Depending on what a urinalysis shows, you

may wish to find a copy of the book, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH

CYSTITIS. I believe the author's name is Larian Gilespie, MD. who

is a female urologist. The book has a great deal of info. on female

urinary tract problems and I found the info. very helpful. One

thing you may wish to avoid if your problem is cystitis and not an

infection, is cranberry juice because it will inflame your bladder

tissues even further. Dr. Gilespie? explains the whys of this in

her book.

Gladioli

>

> I was doing DMSA only for a while... then I tried an ALA only

round 8/4, but

> I messed up the timing so I only got a few doses in before I had

to abort.

> The first thing I noticed with the ALA was that not only did my

urine smell

> different, it was pink tinged and urination hurt a little. After

the last

> dose, the pink tinge went away so I had just figured it was the

mercury

> coming out.

>

> This time I did a full DMSA+ALA round, from the 27th to the 29th.

The first

> few doses I had the pink tinge to my urine again, but then it went

away. I

> finished that round a little on the dehydrated side, despite

drinking tons

> of water and eating lots of salt - so I've spent the last week

getting my

> fluids back up to par. Now here's the catch: I haven't taken any

more

> chelation agents since the 29th, but since I got rehydrated, the

pink tinge

> to the urine is back and my bladder feels like it does when I'm

chelating

> (which is kinda like its really full, but it only has a little bit

in it)

> and I have a mild soreness on urination.

>

> Is it possible I still have some chelation agents in my system

even though I

> stopped taking them on the 29th?

>

> I don't mind the pink urine so much, but the soreness on urination

and the

> feeling like my bladder is about to explode even when it only has

a drop in

> it is killing me! Any ideas on how to fix these issues?

>

> -Lana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with getting checked...and I would hit the cranberry pills

and olive leaf extract...and if you have it some virastop... I am not

sure why but it sure sounds as if there is a latent bug in there...I

can do this when I get dehydrated...so I just take cranberry pills

and olive leaf all the time....keeps everything in check...easier

that way....lol...much less painful. I take 2000 mg cranberry and

1000 mg olive leaf everyday and when I get a start of a UTI...I

double and triple that and add in 3 or 4 virastops also add extra C,

that helps to..

just what I do

Ronni

> I would get checked for a UTI, or just try some unsweetened

> cranberry juice (or cranberry capsules) and see if that helps.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I was doing DMSA only for a while... then I tried an ALA only

round

> 8/4, but

> > I messed up the timing so I only got a few doses in before I had

to

> abort.

> > The first thing I noticed with the ALA was that not only did my

> urine smell

> > different, it was pink tinged and urination hurt a little. After

> the last

> > dose, the pink tinge went away so I had just figured it was the

mercury

> > coming out.

> >

> > This time I did a full DMSA+ALA round, from the 27th to the 29th.

> The first

> > few doses I had the pink tinge to my urine again, but then it went

> away. I

> > finished that round a little on the dehydrated side, despite

> drinking tons

> > of water and eating lots of salt - so I've spent the last week

> getting my

> > fluids back up to par. Now here's the catch: I haven't taken any

more

> > chelation agents since the 29th, but since I got rehydrated, the

> pink tinge

> > to the urine is back and my bladder feels like it does when I'm

> chelating

> > (which is kinda like its really full, but it only has a little bit

> in it)

> > and I have a mild soreness on urination.

> >

> > Is it possible I still have some chelation agents in my system

even

> though I

> > stopped taking them on the 29th?

> >

> > I don't mind the pink urine so much, but the soreness on urination

> and the

> > feeling like my bladder is about to explode even when it only has

a

> drop in

> > it is killing me! Any ideas on how to fix these issues?

> >

> > -Lana

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm, interesting...

I do have endometriosis... or rather, had endometriosis. Pretty much

everything was removed using laproscopy, except for one part which they took

a knife to: my bladder. I thought I had made it clear I wanted LASER

surgery, but apparently the endometriomas were so nested in my bladder the

doc decided he'd skin it. Yes, you heard that right, my bladder was skinned

- as far as I'm concerned, totally against my consent (boy was I mad when I

woke up), but there's about jack-diddly I can do about it now. Is this

going to cause a problem with chelation? (Andy?)

The IC site mentions glomerulations - pinpoint bleeding in the bladder

wall. I can imagine this would look a lot like endometriomas - do

glomerulations ever occur on the outside of the bladder?

And there's one thing I've always wondered since finding out about the

mercury thing - can mercury leak from the bladder into the abdominal

cavity? I know endometriosis and mercury can be linked, but I've never

understood why the endometriomas were so concentrated on the outside of my

bladder - the only thing I can think of is all the mercury that is hanging

out in my bladder waiting to be released.

I did notice that the last few rounds with ALA included felt like they were

pulling more mercury through the urine - with the DMSA I tend to pull with

stool. After suggested a possible UTI, it dawned on me I didn't

have nearly as bad a time with intestinal yeast this time around - has

anyone here seen urinary infections flare instead? I'd imagine if I was

pulling mostly through urine that the mercury would kill off all my good

flora down there...

Regarding the cranberry juice, I typically use D-Mannose instead which is a

special sugar derived from cranberries. Would this cause an issue with IC?

I've been craving the D-Mannose the last few weeks, but it is so expensive I

didn't want to buy it without a real reason to - it didn't dawn on me the

reason I was craving it was that I might have a UTI...

I'd love to get a urinalysis, but I have no insurance right now. Any idea

how much one costs? I'd just call the lab and ask but the last time I did

that they told me a test cost $10 when it really cost $100, so I'm hoping to

get a more realistic " estimate " (such as one directly off of someone's

bill).

Thanks a million!

-Lana

On 9/5/07, gladioli66 <gladioli66@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Lana,

> Speaking as someone who has interstitial cystitis, the first thing I

> would do is get a urinalysis which will tell you if there are red

> and/or white blood cells present in your urine. If there are red

> blood cells, it is possible that chelation or something else, is

> irritating your bladder, but there may not be any infection. If

> there are white blood cells present, then I would have a urine

> culture done being sure to collect the specimen by clean catch

> method. My cystitis will flare with certain foods, supps, and most

> especially probiotics. Depending on what a urinalysis shows, you

> may wish to find a copy of the book, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH

> CYSTITIS. I believe the author's name is Larian Gilespie, MD. who

> is a female urologist. The book has a great deal of info. on female

> urinary tract problems and I found the info. very helpful. One

> thing you may wish to avoid if your problem is cystitis and not an

> infection, is cranberry juice because it will inflame your bladder

> tissues even further. Dr. Gilespie? explains the whys of this in

> her book.

>

> Gladioli

>

[Guest guest]

ALA only round was 60 mg, every 3 hours until I botched it. DMSA+ALA was

50mg/60mg, started at every 3h but ended up at every 2-2.5h since that's

when I seemed to start getting redistribution symptoms. I had no real

side-effects through the round (outside of the pink pee/irritation that went

away after the first few doses), but have been thinking of halving the ALA

for next time around. I've been good with the DMSA at 50mg for some time

now, so I doubt that's what is causing the issue.

I did definately feel like I got a better pull using the ALA, so I'm a

little bummed that I seem to be having a bit of an issue with it - although

having 6 fillings go bad in my mouth, I probably had a lot of mercury in my

brain that wasn't being pulled with the DMSA! That of course didn't dawn on

me until just now...

My only yeast protocol is biotin as needed, but that doesn't seem to be

helping the bladder thing so I stopped it. I was just thinking of taking

another, so maybe I'll try that. If it doesn't work I'll be picking up some

D-Mannose tomorrow.

Thanks!

-Lana

On 9/5/07, Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote:

>

>

> What dose and dosing schedule are you using? What's your yeast protocol?

> S S

>

[Guest guest]

>>pink tinge

> to the urine is back and my bladder feels like it does when I'm

chelating

> (which is kinda like its really full, but it only has a little bit

in it)

> and I have a mild soreness on urination.

For me, this means UTI, which I gave myself a few times before I

realized I no longer needed yeast control. Are you taking

anti-fungals? Try removing them, drink cranberry juice, see if that

helps.

> feeling like my bladder is about to explode even when it only has a

drop in

> it is killing me!

Yep, this is definitely UTI for me. And GSE caused it once I no

longer needed yeast control.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> For me, this means UTI, which I gave myself a few times before I

> realized I no longer needed yeast control. Are you taking

> anti-fungals? Try removing them, drink cranberry juice, see if that

> helps.

>

No, no antifungals, I don't believe in them. Same goes for antibiotics.

I'm gonna add in D-Mannose tomorrow, it is a special sugar extracted from

cranberries. I mentioned in another post I've been craving it all week - I

guess its about time I learn that my body really does know what it needs!

GSE caused it once I no longer needed yeast control.

>

Wow, really? Do you know if biotin could cause it if I no longer needed

yeast control? I wasn't taking it regularly - only when I felt yeasty.

Oh, and is B1 (thiamin) one of the yeast-promoting supplements? I've been

using more of that this round - the ALA seems to deplete me of it pretty

rapidly.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

If you know how to use homeopathics, cantharis is the universal remedy for uti,

and bladder issues. You can buy it direct at a healthfood store or use a

naturopath. It will cost eight dollars.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lana,

Yikes. Your surgical experience sounds horrible. You may have

something else going on besides infection or cystitis. Regarding

the urinalyis: One of the local independent labs here in Ohio

allows patients to request labwork themselves if it is not being run

through your insurance. You must pay up front, but they give you a

discounted rate because they don't have to deal with insurance

company. They quote prices up front as well. Try looking in your

local phone book yellow pages for a lab not connected to a hospital

and see what you find. To be honest, I found only one lab who

offers this service and at a discounted rate.

Gladioli

>

> Hmmmm, interesting...

>

> I do have endometriosis... or rather, had endometriosis. Pretty

much

> everything was removed using laproscopy, except for one part which

they took

> a knife to: my bladder. I thought I had made it clear I wanted

LASER

> surgery, but apparently the endometriomas were so nested in my

bladder the

> doc decided he'd skin it. Yes, you heard that right, my bladder

was skinned

> - as far as I'm concerned, totally against my consent (boy was I

mad when I

> woke up), but there's about jack-diddly I can do about it now. Is

this

> going to cause a problem with chelation? (Andy?)

>

> The IC site mentions glomerulations - pinpoint bleeding in the

bladder

> wall. I can imagine this would look a lot like endometriomas - do

> glomerulations ever occur on the outside of the bladder?

>

> And there's one thing I've always wondered since finding out about

the

> mercury thing - can mercury leak from the bladder into the

abdominal

> cavity? I know endometriosis and mercury can be linked, but I've

never

> understood why the endometriomas were so concentrated on the

outside of my

> bladder - the only thing I can think of is all the mercury that is

hanging

> out in my bladder waiting to be released.

>

> I did notice that the last few rounds with ALA included felt like

they were

> pulling more mercury through the urine - with the DMSA I tend to

pull with

> stool. After suggested a possible UTI, it dawned on me

I didn't

> have nearly as bad a time with intestinal yeast this time around -

has

> anyone here seen urinary infections flare instead? I'd imagine if

I was

> pulling mostly through urine that the mercury would kill off all

my good

> flora down there...

>

> Regarding the cranberry juice, I typically use D-Mannose instead

which is a

> special sugar derived from cranberries. Would this cause an issue

with IC?

> I've been craving the D-Mannose the last few weeks, but it is so

expensive I

> didn't want to buy it without a real reason to - it didn't dawn on

me the

> reason I was craving it was that I might have a UTI...

>

> I'd love to get a urinalysis, but I have no insurance right now.

Any idea

> how much one costs? I'd just call the lab and ask but the last

time I did

> that they told me a test cost $10 when it really cost $100, so I'm

hoping to

> get a more realistic " estimate " (such as one directly off of

someone's

> bill).

>

> Thanks a million!

>

[Guest guest]

I woke up this morning with full on bladder, ureter and one sided kidney

pain, which is *exactly* what happened last time when I had a UTI. I

grabbed the D-Mannose this morning when the HFS opened and I'm once again

impressed at how well it works - I'm taking 2 scoops every 2 hours or so (in

addition to a scoop or two dissolved in my water) and as long as I remember

to take it on time I have very little pain and the frequency of my urination

reduces significantly (although not completely). Last time it took me about

half a container to be back to normal, so I'm hoping I'll get similar

results this time.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions, it would never have dawned on me that

I was in the early stages of developing a UTI. I now know better for next

time - I'll probably take D-Mannose alongside the rounds that feel like

they're pulling through the urine.

-Lana

[Guest guest]

> I'm gonna add in D-Mannose tomorrow, it is a special sugar extracted

from

> cranberries. I mentioned in another post I've been craving it all

week - I

> guess its about time I learn that my body really does know what it

needs!

>

> GSE caused it once I no longer needed yeast control.

My son, at first, craved things that made him spacy. After several

years of biomedical, he started avoiding the spacy things and he

craved the things his body needed.

> Wow, really? Do you know if biotin could cause it if I no longer needed

> yeast control? I wasn't taking it regularly - only when I felt yeasty.

All I can really comment is that once I no longer needed biotin,

taking it gave me a headache. Same with other yeast remedies.

> Oh, and is B1 (thiamin) one of the yeast-promoting supplements?

Not sure. Most Bs [except biotin] tended to increase yeast at my

house, but I don't remember B1 specifically.

Dana