Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 In a message dated 24/06/2006 11:36:27 GMT Daylight Time, lucinda@... writes: We are under Dr Heard but he hasnt mentioned NCD - if anyone can explain what it is if they have time would be grateful. L x >>>I suspect the only/first person he has heard about NCD from is me and at the time I spoke to him we had only been using for a few days - with gains - but not long enough at the time for me to be sure that it was NCD that was doing it. I will update him when I update the list. He stays very much DAN! protocol so I doubt will recommend it until it becomes 'mainstream' DAN! which I am sure it will do in time. This is good site with lots of links for information http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/ HTH Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 In a message dated 24/06/2006 11:36:27 GMT Daylight Time, lucinda@... writes: We are under Dr Heard but he hasnt mentioned NCD - if anyone can explain what it is if they have time would be grateful. L x >>>I suspect the only/first person he has heard about NCD from is me and at the time I spoke to him we had only been using for a few days - with gains - but not long enough at the time for me to be sure that it was NCD that was doing it. I will update him when I update the list. He stays very much DAN! protocol so I doubt will recommend it until it becomes 'mainstream' DAN! which I am sure it will do in time. This is good site with lots of links for information http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/ HTH Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 In a message dated 24/06/2006 19:04:52 GMT Daylight Time, simondavis@... writes: mentioned it a couple of weeks back to Dr H – he said didn’t know much about it – although seemed safe enough and would be happy to work with me on it if I chose. I’ve been on 4 days so far will let you know! >>>Ah well done Elaine - he won't just think its me thats mad then LOL, I can;t wait for him to SEE the difference in Sam, the Osteopath was jaw hanging after not seing him for a while *BIG WINK* Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 In a message dated 24/06/2006 19:04:52 GMT Daylight Time, simondavis@... writes: mentioned it a couple of weeks back to Dr H – he said didn’t know much about it – although seemed safe enough and would be happy to work with me on it if I chose. I’ve been on 4 days so far will let you know! >>>Ah well done Elaine - he won't just think its me thats mad then LOL, I can;t wait for him to SEE the difference in Sam, the Osteopath was jaw hanging after not seing him for a while *BIG WINK* Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 I mentioned it a couple of weeks back to Dr H – he said didn’t know much about it – although seemed safe enough and would be happy to work with me on it if I chose. I’ve been on 4 days so far will let you know! Elaine Re: What is NCD? In a message dated 24/06/2006 11:36:27 GMT Daylight Time, lucinda@... writes: We are under Dr Heard but he hasnt mentioned NCD - if anyone can explain what it is if they have time would be grateful. L x >>>I suspect the only/first person he has heard about NCD from is me and at the time I spoke to him we had only been using for a few days - with gains - but not long enough at the time for me to be sure that it was NCD that was doing it. I will update him when I update the list. He stays very much DAN! protocol so I doubt will recommend it until it becomes 'mainstream' DAN! which I am sure it will do in time. This is good site with lots of links for information http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/ HTH Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 I mentioned it a couple of weeks back to Dr H – he said didn’t know much about it – although seemed safe enough and would be happy to work with me on it if I chose. I’ve been on 4 days so far will let you know! Elaine Re: What is NCD? In a message dated 24/06/2006 11:36:27 GMT Daylight Time, lucinda@... writes: We are under Dr Heard but he hasnt mentioned NCD - if anyone can explain what it is if they have time would be grateful. L x >>>I suspect the only/first person he has heard about NCD from is me and at the time I spoke to him we had only been using for a few days - with gains - but not long enough at the time for me to be sure that it was NCD that was doing it. I will update him when I update the list. He stays very much DAN! protocol so I doubt will recommend it until it becomes 'mainstream' DAN! which I am sure it will do in time. This is good site with lots of links for information http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/ HTH Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out mercury, other heavy metal poisoning, and toxins without removing the nutrients that the body needs. It is safe enough for babies. I learned about this product from (e-mail _eph3twenty@..._ (mailto:eph3twenty@...) ) . Please contact her for more information and in order to get it if you decide you wish to use it. Debby Rabold ('s mom .... age 25, autistic, falsely convicted, sentenced to 14 - 28 years in prison. Please pray for 's release.) In a message dated 3/2/2007 10:53:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, surbilly@... writes: Hello, I am just wondering what NCD is. I have heard of a product called natural cellular defense..is this the same thing? Could someone tell me where to get it..exactly what it is etc? Thanks! Carol W. --- Farley <_chris_farley@chris_farle_ (mailto:chris_farley@...) > wrote: > I agree with the NCD being great stuff. I have seen > miraculous changes in my grandson in the past 4 > months and he is now speaking in sentences, more eye > contact and better receptive and expressive language > all together. I don't know what it doesn't do in > regard to chelation but our toxicity text shows lead > is coming out along with Mercury and other stuff and > since that is the only thing we are using other than > Brain Child vitamins something is doing some good. > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Abigail Floe > Autism Mercury > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:50 PM > Subject: [ ] NCD and " symptom relief " > > > I can vouch that in our case, at least, the NCD > Zeolites made changes that went well beyond > improving symptoms. We got a BIG boost in language, > and language that was colloquial and appropriate, > too. It was terrifically exciting! We're off it for > the moment to deal with other issues, but it'll be > back asap. You may be right that it's not chelating, > but it's doing something significant for many > people. Just my 2 cents! > Abigail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.Ask your <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hello, I am just wondering what NCD is. I have heard of a product called natural cellular defense..is this the same thing? Could someone tell me where to get it..exactly what it is etc? Thanks! Carol W. --- Farley <chris_farley@...> wrote: > I agree with the NCD being great stuff. I have seen > miraculous changes in my grandson in the past 4 > months and he is now speaking in sentences, more eye > contact and better receptive and expressive language > all together. I don't know what it doesn't do in > regard to chelation but our toxicity text shows lead > is coming out along with Mercury and other stuff and > since that is the only thing we are using other than > Brain Child vitamins something is doing some good. > > Chris > > > [ ] NCD and " symptom relief " > > > I can vouch that in our case, at least, the NCD > Zeolites made changes that went well beyond > improving symptoms. We got a BIG boost in language, > and language that was colloquial and appropriate, > too. It was terrifically exciting! We're off it for > the moment to deal with other issues, but it'll be > back asap. You may be right that it's not chelating, > but it's doing something significant for many > people. Just my 2 cents! > Abigail > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 So, then either confirm or rule out your distrust by learning about NCD. Get the facts. Why sit in the dark? In a message dated 3/3/2007 7:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lanellici@... writes: > > > Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, > non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out mercury, I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. Nell <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > > > Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, > non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out mercury, I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: lanellici I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. <<<If we can only comment on what we have tried we better all just find something else to do. Who has tried everything? Do I need to try IV's to know they might not be a good idea? I hate to think I have to experiement with everything before I can say what I think. Again, these are Discussion boards if you don't like someone's opinion..don't listen to it. That's why I love those insurance/cave man ads where they spoof all the people who are sooooo easily offended. I get offended. So What? Me being offended doesn't stop anyone from having an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 In a message dated 03/03/2007 18:24:59 GMT Standard Time, chris_farley@... writes: If there is something MORE out there I want to find it and not leave my head stuck in the sand and keep the blinders on so I will never hear of anything else that might be helpful. " I believe in the freedom of choice and I choose not to dictate the road that other people choose to follow but embrace their differences and learn from them. If they have noticed a pebble of knowledge that I might have missed along the way I want to hear about it. I am intelligent enough to form my own hypothesis about whatever value it might have without criticizing them for their opinion or offering me their pebble of hope. " >>Great post - most of the people that diss Zeoliotes haven't used them.......... Keep on trucking Grandma you are doing a great job! Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lanellici > > I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But > I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and > " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. > > <<<If we can only comment on what we have tried we better all just find something else to do. Who has tried everything? I didn't put that well. What I meant was, there are enough people whose opinions I respect who are seeing positive things with NCD that I'm unwilling to dismiss it. I don't trust the manufacturer's hype (which was my main point there) but I think it's entirely possible that it does something nobody understands yet. As for experience, yes, I feel a lot better recommending Andy's protocol because of how great it has been for n and me. The long list of good experiences from listmates matters too. My understanding of biochemistry is so thin that I just cannot take firm opinions on any of it -- I have to rely on Andy and a few others, and on the empirical evidence we compile here every day. > Again, these are Discussion boards if you don't like someone's opinion..don't listen to it. That's why I love those insurance/cave man ads where they spoof all the people who are sooooo easily offended. I get offended. So What? Me being offended doesn't stop anyone from having an opinion. Your opinion doesn't offend me. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 > > > So, then either confirm or rule out your distrust by learning about NCD. Get > the facts. Why sit in the dark? This doesn't help your case. I'm sure it's true that since the vaccine disaster I am way oversensitive to the combination of marketing, products intended to improve health, and financial interest. But I am. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 And I yours, Nell :-). I did say many people found it very helpful for their kids, but was that enough for the NCD people who rushed in here, NO you have to say what they say...that it's a chelator to satisfy them. And one even misquoted Andy....they really don't want me to pull up his posts on NCD, he was way not as nice as I was...but I will if they keep insisting. And why when Andy says this stuff do they not challenge him? Andy says NCD is not a chelator, Boyd Hayley says its not a chelator. Dr. Neubrander did a study and found no metals excreted. The only people saying it is a chelator are the people selling it. I said before....I'm pulling for it to be a chelator....even at this stage to know that you never, ever have to get up at night again would be so heavenly I could scarcely imagine it. [ ] Re: What is NCD? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lanellici > > I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But > I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and > " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. > > <<<If we can only comment on what we have tried we better all just find something else to do. Who has tried everything? I didn't put that well. What I meant was, there are enough people whose opinions I respect who are seeing positive things with NCD that I'm unwilling to dismiss it. I don't trust the manufacturer's hype (which was my main point there) but I think it's entirely possible that it does something nobody understands yet. As for experience, yes, I feel a lot better recommending Andy's protocol because of how great it has been for n and me. The long list of good experiences from listmates matters too. My understanding of biochemistry is so thin that I just cannot take firm opinions on any of it -- I have to rely on Andy and a few others, and on the empirical evidence we compile here every day. > Again, these are Discussion boards if you don't like someone's opinion..don't listen to it. That's why I love those insurance/cave man ads where they spoof all the people who are sooooo easily offended. I get offended. So What? Me being offended doesn't stop anyone from having an opinion. Your opinion doesn't offend me. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I don't understand the hostility that revolves around anything that is not DMSA oriented on this site. I thought the name of the group was not Autism-DMSA. I know the people on the NCD group use both and do not discredit DMSA's or Andy's protocol as being very important to them. The do not openly attack other peoples ideas when they differ from their own. As a matter of fact if my grandson keeps improving and gaining more and more language because of the NCD I don't care what they call it or if it is a chelator at all. I only said it is doing SOMETHING good because we have not tried anything else yet so we cannot attribute the improvements to anything more than the NCD and vitamin supplementation. I am waiting for all of our baseline urinalysis and GAR reports to come back before I form my own opinions about whether or not I want to include the DMSA in our personal protocol. I know DMSA is the only thing proven for removing metals and is fairly safe. There is not a reason I would not consider using it in the future. In fact, our DAN recommends a blend of Andy's DMSA chelation and Yasko supplements and does not recognize the NCD at all. NCD is helping my grandson and that is all I can say. If it is not a chelator, I don't know what its properties are to make it remove metals and improve speech and language because our DD reports and French Lab urinary toxicity reports clearly show that something is pulling metals. If it is not the NCD, I certainly want to try to figure out what it is and get more of it! I do not sell NCD to anyone else, but purchased a distributorship just to buy it cheaper for ourselves. We all agree Andy has a great protocol and that is the one our new DAN is recommending and that I will most likely use in the next few months. I just think all can peacefully co-exist and if NCD does not work according to some who have not tried it then just ignore those posts that have mention of NCD and remember that this is America and we all don't have to think exactly the same way you do or fit in the same mold. We can use both products if we think it is in the best interest of our children. In other words if it's not hurting you why get so inflamed with anger about someone else's ideas? The NCD people do not start spouting fire and brimstone when somebody mentions DMSA on that site! It does not have to be one or the other. The DMSA purists are welcome on the NCD group. All views are appreciated. Some people are Yasko purists, then there are the DMSA purists but mostly I think the NCD users in general subscribe to a little of all of the above. If they use Andy's DMSA protocols just like you do with the same rounds schedule and same dosages exactly but choose to include other supplements and we all agree that NCD is a supplement, then why criticize them so heatedly? I don't think I have ever read a post from an NCD user that was so openly critical of your beliefs. If there is something MORE out there I want to find it and not leave my head stuck in the sand and keep the blinders on so I will never hear of anything else that might be helpful. " I believe in the freedom of choice and I choose not to dictate the road that other people choose to follow but embrace their differences and learn from them. If they have noticed a pebble of knowledge that I might have missed along the way I want to hear about it. I am intelligent enough to form my own hypothesis about whatever value it might have without criticizing them for their opinion or offering me their pebble of hope. " Chris " Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them -- and then, the opportunity to choose. " - C. Mills- [ ] Re: What is NCD? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lanellici > > I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But > I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and > " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. > > <<<If we can only comment on what we have tried we better all just find something else to do. Who has tried everything? I didn't put that well. What I meant was, there are enough people whose opinions I respect who are seeing positive things with NCD that I'm unwilling to dismiss it. I don't trust the manufacturer's hype (which was my main point there) but I think it's entirely possible that it does something nobody understands yet. As for experience, yes, I feel a lot better recommending Andy's protocol because of how great it has been for n and me. The long list of good experiences from listmates matters too. My understanding of biochemistry is so thin that I just cannot take firm opinions on any of it -- I have to rely on Andy and a few others, and on the empirical evidence we compile here every day. > Again, these are Discussion boards if you don't like someone's opinion..don't listen to it. That's why I love those insurance/cave man ads where they spoof all the people who are sooooo easily offended. I get offended. So What? Me being offended doesn't stop anyone from having an opinion. Your opinion doesn't offend me. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 My confusion with this is that Boyd Haley looked closely at it and said he does not see how it can be a chelator - but he also said that it should not be harmful. However, I tried it on my son - starting 3-4 drops, 2x per day, and he had a bad regression that took months to get him back. So I don't think its as safe as some say it is. It really scared me because at the point that I tried it, he was almost recovered. BTW, my son did amazing well on Andy's DMSA protocol with no regression. My 2 cents FWIW. Lori Knowles General Manager (and mother of , age 8 recovered) New Beginnings Nutritionals <http://www.nbnus.com/> www.nbnus.com < /message/197131;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYm kwa28yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjE2MTYEbXNnSWQDMT k3MTMxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNzI5MDgxNzk-> Re: What is NCD? Posted by: " Rabold92@... " <mailto:Rabold92@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20is%20NCD%3F> Rabold92@... Fri Mar 2, 2007 8:09 pm (PST) Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out mercury, other heavy metal poisoning, and toxins without removing the nutrients that the body needs. It is safe enough for babies. I learned about this product from (e-mail <mailto:_eph3twenty%40aol.com> _eph3twenty@..._ (mailto: <mailto:eph3twenty%40aol.com> eph3twenty@...) ) . Please contact her for more information and in order to get it if you decide you wish to use it. Debby Rabold ('s mom .... age 25, autistic, falsely convicted, sentenced to 14 - 28 years in prison. Please pray for 's release.) Lori Knowles General Manager New Beginnings Nutritionals 11805 W 77th St. Lenexa, KS 66214 Phone: (913) 754-0458 Fax: (913) 248-7609 Email: lknowles@... URL: http://www.nbnus.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Knowles My confusion with this is that Boyd Haley looked closely at it and said he does not see how it can be a chelator - but he also said that it should not be harmful. However, I tried it on my son - starting 3-4 drops, 2x per day, and he had a bad regression that took months to get him back. So I don't think its as safe as some say it is. It really scared me because at the point that I tried it, he was almost recovered. BTW, my son did amazing well on Andy's DMSA protocol with no regression. <<<Sorry to hear this Lori, I remember reading about another child, mother's name Sue on abmd who reported her child (age 8) lost all his language on NCD, although most reports have been positive. Glad things are back to normal. My 2 cents FWIW. Lori Knowles General Manager (and mother of , age 8 recovered) New Beginnings Nutritionals <http://www.nbnus.com/> www.nbnus.com < /message/197131;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYm kwa28yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjE2MTYEbXNnSWQDMT k3MTMxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNzI5MDgxNzk-> Re: What is NCD? Posted by: " Rabold92@... " <mailto:Rabold92@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20is%20NCD%3F> Rabold92@... Fri Mar 2, 2007 8:09 pm (PST) Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out mercury, other heavy metal poisoning, and toxins without removing the nutrients that the body needs. It is safe enough for babies. I learned about this product from (e-mail <mailto:_eph3twenty%40aol.com> _eph3twenty@..._ (mailto: <mailto:eph3twenty%40aol.com> eph3twenty@...) ) . Please contact her for more information and in order to get it if you decide you wish to use it. Debby Rabold ('s mom .... age 25, autistic, falsely convicted, sentenced to 14 - 28 years in prison. Please pray for 's release.) Lori Knowles General Manager New Beginnings Nutritionals 11805 W 77th St. Lenexa, KS 66214 Phone: (913) 754-0458 Fax: (913) 248-7609 Email: lknowles@... URL: http://www.nbnus.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Lori, I'm glad you got him back too. that must have been scary for all of you. I remember when my son first started talking on ALA in 99. He soared only to regress, not from the ALA but from gut issues. I've heard 2 other parents have had this issue and they found out it was bacteria and yeast. Once they addressed that they did well. If I remember, doesn't moving metals and attacking viruses cause this issue? 3-4 drops 2x a day seems like alot to me to start with although some kids handle much higher doses. FWIW, I had to have my son on just 1 drop a day for months and then add one drop every other week or so. I believe the liver life is helping him some as I don't think he handles detoxing too quickly. At least not by himself and I was certain he was going to recover on ALA alone. He must have been totally poisoned as 2 kids died from just one lot of the DPT he had. I think some of his pathways are still blocked and I'm working with Homeopathy to try and help more. so frustrating how all our kids are different. > >> > <<<Sorry to hear this Lori, I remember reading about another child, mother's name Sue on abmd who reported her child (age 8) lost all his language on NCD, although most reports have been positive. > > Glad things are back to normal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Hi, and Everyone I just wanted to jump in here and comment on this thread because it's theme is " skepticism " and I'm the quintessential skeptic. I don't know if anyone read my other post (that appeared 3 or 4 times! lol ¡V NOT my fault!), but in it I stated that I started becoming mercury toxic as a young child, becoming absent-minded in my teens, chronically ill by 20 and finally disabled for 15 years now (I¡¦m 49). I have a lot of conditions which I used to attribute to lack of proper sleep, nutrition and exercise UNTIL, in 1987 it was brought to my attention that I could have an actual medical condition. It started me on a treacherous, painful and long journey, going from doctor to doctor, diagnosis to diagnosis, and treatment to treatment. I spent thousands and thousands of dollars on supplements and whatever else I was told my body needed, only to result in bankruptcy and no positive change in my health. This includes a 6-week stint at the Environmental Health Center in Dallas too. I¡¦ve done it all as far as treatments, including the IV chelation (I was VERY HIGHLY mercury toxic and believe I still am). Absolutely NOthing EVER helped me, no positive change! With each new and negative experience, my skeptical wall rose higher and higher, brick by brick. At a certain point, I basically gave up actively pursuing anything, but never completely gave up hope. I figured once I had some money (yeah, right! lol), I¡¦d be able to afford to do all the things I need to do to get well. Two years ago, my cousin told me about products (not NCD) she was selling. The first thing that turned me off was the multi-level marketing (turns out it¡¦s often necessary to market that way with anything that isn¡¦t a drug!), and the second thing was the company¡¦s claims. I told her to leave me alone about it, I didn¡¦t want to hear it and that, being broke, I wasn¡¦t going to drain my already empty pocketbook with empty promises or my already depleted well of patience and perseverance. All I know is, thank GOD she loves me and didn¡¦t give up on me. A month later she called again (I also found out later that she had spoken to my mother, crying about me not being willing to try the stuff), telling me of all the improvements my other relatives were seeing. It opened my mind enough to at least want to learn about it, but nothing more. Once I DID learn about the science, I knew I had to find a way to take the stuff. My cousin even offered to pay for it for awhile! She just wanted me well. Not expecting to even experience a slight change of any kind for many months, after only one month of detoxing (and my liver tests showed it was major detox of SOMEthing), I had a rise in my health. I was able to walk around again, moving freely (I have fibromyalgia too), was no longer out of breath climbing stairs, my stamina increased dramatically, it was wonderful! I regained about 10 years as far as the pain level was concerned. My cholesterol, triglycerides, everything came into healthy ranges and I hadn¡¦t even changed my horrible eating habits, nor lost a pound (I was 262 at the time). I take the minimal amounts and saw these results. What I didn¡¦t see improvement in was my brain fog or Multiple Chemical Sensitivities, the MCS being the most critical as far as keeping me from being able to work. I figured, once again, when I can afford to take large quantities of the stuff, I¡¦ll see more improvement. Only about a week ago, I decided to start reading all the posts on these three mercury-related sites. I was about to consider Andy Cutler¡¦s protocol, then read a post by Sharon on NCD and that her brain fog lifted (among other things). Anyway, after looking into it, I contacted her about it. We had a very enjoyable two-hour conversation, and she sounds as honest and credible as me (and that¡¦s a lot! lol), so with the knowledge I gained, all my past experiences, and the confidence from what Sharon told me, I had just as good a shot at seeing improvement as she did. I decided I¡¦m giving NCD a try. What harm could it do me? I see what a month¡¦s supply does, and if I want to stop ¡V I stop! I know it¡¦s worth a try and I won¡¦t be out a small fortune. I had learned from my one positive experience with my cousin¡¦s products that I couldn¡¦t continue to keep my skeptical door shut so tightly, because it becomes more limiting than protective. I¡¦m not saying we shouldn¡¦t be cautious and wary, but there¡¦s a difference between being cautious and overly skeptical. Do your research, do whatever you have to to make an informed and intelligent decision, but don¡¦t make your initial reaction of ¡§NO!¡¨ be your last because you could pass up the opportunities that deserved a ¡§look-see¡¨ and could be a key piece to your health puzzle. What I have the most trouble understanding is how so many people willingly spend a lot of money on so many things (IF they have money, and even if they don¡¦t!) like car leases, fancy this and fancy that, vacations, dinners out and lots of other things, but have a harder time doing it for things that are infinitely more important. I know I don¡¦t actively try to sell anything for that very reason ¡V it¡¦s frustrating and exasperating. The biggest point I¡¦m trying to make with this VERY long post (I¡¦m so sorry!) is that we all need to realize and accept the fact that there is no ONE doctor that can help you, it¡¦s usually several, and no ONE cure, no panacea! Search wisely, but keep searching! Although there are countless scam artists and bogus companies with bogus products, there ARE a few that are legitimate! Not EVERYone is trying to make money and the reason I know this is because I¡¦m one of them. When I tell people about something, my first and most important motivation is to help people. Odds are, I¡¦m not the ONLY person distributing products who has integrity and the correct motivation, which is why I contacted Sharon. After speaking with her, I have confidence in HER integrity and a feeling I¡¦m going to be VERY thankful I did, though, as always, I¡¦m trying not to let my hopes go too high (and I WILL let you people know what the results are). I think I¡¦ve made it pretty clear that I¡¦ve lost faith in many things, especially the medical community, but never faith in God. (You know that Sting song: If I Ever Lose My Faith In You? Well, that¡¦s my theme song! ¡V talk about skepticism!) Anyway, it is because of my faith that, through 30 years of illness and all the difficulties that come with being disabled, I¡¦ve never lost hope or the strength to push on. I know Who to rely on ƒº : Donna P.S. Just so you know how strongly I feel about this ¡V I had typed this whole post out, then clicked ¡§Rich Text Editor¡¨ AFTER I wrote it! The whole thing disappeared and it was almost as long as this rewrite was. You BET I wanted to speak about this! (And if you¡¦re interested in learning about glyconutrients, please email me.) > > I don't understand the hostility that revolves around anything that is not DMSA oriented on this site. I thought the name of the group was not Autism-DMSA. I know the people on the NCD group use both and do not discredit DMSA's or Andy's protocol as being very important to them. The do not openly attack other peoples ideas when they differ from their own. > > As a matter of fact if my grandson keeps improving and gaining more and more language because of the NCD I don't care what they call it or if it is a chelator at all. I only said it is doing SOMETHING good because we have not tried anything else yet so we cannot attribute the improvements to anything more than the NCD and vitamin supplementation. > > I am waiting for all of our baseline urinalysis and GAR reports to come back before I form my own opinions about whether or not I want to include the DMSA in our personal protocol. I know DMSA is the only thing proven for removing metals and is fairly safe. There is not a reason I would not consider using it in the future. In fact, our DAN recommends a blend of Andy's DMSA chelation and Yasko supplements and does not recognize the NCD at all. > > NCD is helping my grandson and that is all I can say. If it is not a chelator, I don't know what its properties are to make it remove metals and improve speech and language because our DD reports and French Lab urinary toxicity reports clearly show that something is pulling metals. If it is not the NCD, I certainly want to try to figure out what it is and get more of it! > > I do not sell NCD to anyone else, but purchased a distributorship just to buy it cheaper for ourselves. We all agree Andy has a great protocol and that is the one our new DAN is recommending and that I will most likely use in the next few months. I just think all can peacefully co-exist and if NCD does not work according to some who have not tried it then just ignore those posts that have mention of NCD and remember that this is America and we all don't have to think exactly the same way you do or fit in the same mold. We can use both products if we think it is in the best interest of our children. In other words if it's not hurting you why get so inflamed with anger about someone else's ideas? The NCD people do not start spouting fire and brimstone when somebody mentions DMSA on that site! It does not have to be one or the other. The DMSA purists are welcome on the NCD group. All views are appreciated. > > Some people are Yasko purists, then there are the DMSA purists but mostly I think the NCD users in general subscribe to a little of all of the above. If they use Andy's DMSA protocols just like you do with the same rounds schedule and same dosages exactly but choose to include other supplements and we all agree that NCD is a supplement, then why criticize them so heatedly? I don't think I have ever read a post from an NCD user that was so openly critical of your beliefs. > > If there is something MORE out there I want to find it and not leave my head stuck in the sand and keep the blinders on so I will never hear of anything else that might be helpful. " I believe in the freedom of choice and I choose not to dictate the road that other people choose to follow but embrace their differences and learn from them. If they have noticed a pebble of knowledge that I might have missed along the way I want to hear about it. I am intelligent enough to form my own hypothesis about whatever value it might have without criticizing them for their opinion or offering me their pebble of hope. " > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Lori, this made me so sad to hear your son regressed. See, that's the trouble with ANYthing you can take, including the drugs we're prescribed ALL the time by doctors (the deaths keep rising!) or something as seemingly innocuous as a vitamin or herb. Of course, there's also the possibility that whatever happened with your son also may not be solely attributable to the NCD; it could be a combination of things OR theres' something ab HIS body that didn't do well in a positive way. Also, which I'm sure everyone's pretty well aware of on a board like this -- sometimes there's the " getting worse before getting better " aspect of things, especially with something that is directly related to detox -- that's what detox is. You know your son, you know how long you gave it to him, and I know that, as a mother, to see your son regress would have to be an extremely difficult thing to do. I only hope you find the answers you need! : Donna > > My confusion with this is that Boyd Haley looked closely at it and said he > does not see how it can be a chelator - but he also said that it should not > be harmful. > > > > However, I tried it on my son - starting 3-4 drops, 2x per day, and he had a > bad regression that took months to get him back. So I don't think its as > safe as some say it is. It really scared me because at the point that I > tried it, he was almost recovered. BTW, my son did amazing well on > Andy's DMSA protocol with no regression. > > > > My 2 cents FWIW. > > > > Lori Knowles > > General Manager (and mother of , age 8 recovered) > > New Beginnings Nutritionals > > <http://www.nbnus.com/> www.nbnus.com > > > > > <Autism- Mercury/message/197131;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYm > kwa28yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjE2MTYEbXNn SWQDMT > k3MTMxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNzI5MDgxNzk-> Re: What is NCD? > > Posted by: " Rabold92@... " > <mailto:Rabold92@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20is%20NCD%3F> > Rabold92@... > > Fri Mar 2, 2007 8:09 pm (PST) > > > Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, > non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out > mercury, > other heavy metal poisoning, and toxins without removing the nutrients that > the body needs. It is safe enough for babies. I learned about this product > from (e-mail <mailto:_eph3twenty%40aol.com> _eph3twenty@..._ > (mailto: <mailto:eph3twenty%40aol.com> eph3twenty@...) ) . Please > contact her for more information and in order to get it if you decide you > wish to use it. > > Debby Rabold ('s mom .... age 25, autistic, falsely convicted, > sentenced to 14 - 28 years in prison. Please pray for 's release.) > > > > > > Lori Knowles > General Manager > New Beginnings Nutritionals > 11805 W 77th St. Lenexa, KS 66214 > Phone: (913) 754-0458 > Fax: (913) 248-7609 > Email: lknowles@... > URL: http://www.nbnus.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Lori, I too am sorry to hear about your son. I don't know who told you to start him at such a high dose, but it seems negligent to me. We started at 1 drop 3 times a day and kept it there for almost 2 weeks before upping it to 2 drops 3 times a day. Our children are so sensitive and if anyone else starts their children on NCD please start low and go slow... Dr. Prociuk has mentioned that if the dose is too high the children will have a " retracing " and the thing to do is lower the dose immediately. We are very excited and happy with what the NCD has done for our 4 year old and if we had started at such a high dose we may be in the same position as you. I truly hope that you find what works for your son. Best regards, Bhushana [ ] Re: What is NCD? Lori, this made me so sad to hear your son regressed. See, that's the trouble with ANYthing you can take, including the drugs we're prescribed ALL the time by doctors (the deaths keep rising!) or something as seemingly innocuous as a vitamin or herb. Of course, there's also the possibility that whatever happened with your son also may not be solely attributable to the NCD; it could be a combination of things OR theres' something ab HIS body that didn't do well in a positive way. Also, which I'm sure everyone's pretty well aware of on a board like this -- sometimes there's the " getting worse before getting better " aspect of things, especially with something that is directly related to detox -- that's what detox is. You know your son, you know how long you gave it to him, and I know that, as a mother, to see your son regress would have to be an extremely difficult thing to do. I only hope you find the answers you need! : Donna > > My confusion with this is that Boyd Haley looked closely at it and said he > does not see how it can be a chelator - but he also said that it should not > be harmful. > > > > However, I tried it on my son - starting 3-4 drops, 2x per day, and he had a > bad regression that took months to get him back. So I don't think its as > safe as some say it is. It really scared me because at the point that I > tried it, he was almost recovered. BTW, my son did amazing well on > Andy's DMSA protocol with no regression. > > > > My 2 cents FWIW. > > > > Lori Knowles > > General Manager (and mother of , age 8 recovered) > > New Beginnings Nutritionals > > <http://www.nbnus.com/> www.nbnus.com > > > > > <Autism- Mercury/message/197131;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYm > kwa28yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjE2MTYEbXNn SWQDMT > k3MTMxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNzI5MDgxNzk-> Re: What is NCD? > > Posted by: " Rabold92@... " > <mailto:Rabold92@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20is%20NCD%3F> > Rabold92@... > > Fri Mar 2, 2007 8:09 pm (PST) > > > Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, > non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out > mercury, > other heavy metal poisoning, and toxins without removing the nutrients that > the body needs. It is safe enough for babies. I learned about this product > from (e-mail <mailto:_eph3twenty%40aol.com> _eph3twenty@..._ > (mailto: <mailto:eph3twenty%40aol.com> eph3twenty@...) ) . Please > contact her for more information and in order to get it if you decide you > wish to use it. > > Debby Rabold ('s mom .... age 25, autistic, falsely convicted, > sentenced to 14 - 28 years in prison. Please pray for 's release.) > > > > > > Lori Knowles > General Manager > New Beginnings Nutritionals > 11805 W 77th St. Lenexa, KS 66214 > Phone: (913) 754-0458 > Fax: (913) 248-7609 > Email: lknowles@... > URL: http://www.nbnus.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I have also had negative w/ NCD, with my son that is sensitive to Methyl groups my best results w/ him have come w/ EDTA, DMSA seems to really feed his yeast. But I agree all are different. My girls did well w/ NDF plus and Yakos Metals I- IV, youngest son still looking for " the " best one > > My confusion with this is that Boyd Haley looked closely at it and said he > does not see how it can be a chelator - but he also said that it should not > be harmful. > > > > However, I tried it on my son - starting 3-4 drops, 2x per day, and he had a > bad regression that took months to get him back. So I don't think its as > safe as some say it is. It really scared me because at the point that I > tried it, he was almost recovered. BTW, my son did amazing well on > Andy's DMSA protocol with no regression. > > > > My 2 cents FWIW. > > > > Lori Knowles > > General Manager (and mother of , age 8 recovered) > > New Beginnings Nutritionals > > <http://www.nbnus.com/> www.nbnus.com > > > > > <Autism- Mercury/message/197131;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYm > kwa28yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxNjgwNwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjE2MTYEbXNn SWQDMT > k3MTMxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzExNzI5MDgxNzk-> Re: What is NCD? > > Posted by: " Rabold92@... " > <mailto:Rabold92@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20is%20NCD%3F> > Rabold92@... > > Fri Mar 2, 2007 8:09 pm (PST) > > > Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, > non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out > mercury, > other heavy metal poisoning, and toxins without removing the nutrients that > the body needs. It is safe enough for babies. I learned about this product > from (e-mail <mailto:_eph3twenty%40aol.com> _eph3twenty@..._ > (mailto: <mailto:eph3twenty%40aol.com> eph3twenty@...) ) . Please > contact her for more information and in order to get it if you decide you > wish to use it. > > Debby Rabold ('s mom .... age 25, autistic, falsely convicted, > sentenced to 14 - 28 years in prison. Please pray for 's release.) > > > > > > Lori Knowles > General Manager > New Beginnings Nutritionals > 11805 W 77th St. Lenexa, KS 66214 > Phone: (913) 754-0458 > Fax: (913) 248-7609 > Email: lknowles@... > URL: http://www.nbnus.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hi Nell, Let me try this again after some sleep. I wasn't jumping on you. I heard this argument...the " if you haven't tried it you shouldn't say anything about it " a couple of weeks ago, can't remember what it was in reference to, and thought it was absurd and illogical then, but got distracted and didn't get to post on it. Sorry if I sounded angry at you, I wasn't and was just incredulous that this would be valid reasoning why people on discussion boards shouldn't offer any reaction/opinion to something they had not tried. [ ] Re: What is NCD? > > > Yes, NCD stands for Natural Cellular Defense. It is an all-natural, > non-toxic, completely safe, very effective chelating agent that chelates out mercury, I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 There are 700 types of zeolites! Some are dangerous and others are beneficial. Boyd hayley did say that NCD is not a chelator until he spoke to Rik Deitsch and got more information. We get a 60 / 40 split on the product and it certainly does move through the entire body. You could join Dr Mark the DDS on the Wednesday night call at 9 pm EST sometime and hear what he says about the effects of NCD in his mercury free dental practice. DR Mark Berkowitz is a member of the same dental association as Boyd. Also anyone could certainly read the patent and the white paper http://www.ishayatechniques.com/Audio%20Waiora/Zeolite-WhitePaperPatent.pdf and discover we are not talking about powdered zeolite. If we were, Dr. Boyd Haleys' old statements would be true. Here is the number for the call on Wednesday nights at 9 pm 641-793-7000 pin 678654# Hope that helps, Bhushana [ ] Re: What is NCD? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lanellici > > I'm not dissing NCD because I haven't tried it. And I may try it. But > I'll tell you that reading descriptions like " completely safe " and > " all-natural " makes me very distrustful. > > <<<If we can only comment on what we have tried we better all just find something else to do. Who has tried everything? I didn't put that well. What I meant was, there are enough people whose opinions I respect who are seeing positive things with NCD that I'm unwilling to dismiss it. I don't trust the manufacturer's hype (which was my main point there) but I think it's entirely possible that it does something nobody understands yet. As for experience, yes, I feel a lot better recommending Andy's protocol because of how great it has been for n and me. The long list of good experiences from listmates matters too. My understanding of biochemistry is so thin that I just cannot take firm opinions on any of it -- I have to rely on Andy and a few others, and on the empirical evidence we compile here every day. > Again, these are Discussion boards if you don't like someone's opinion..don't listen to it. That's why I love those insurance/cave man ads where they spoof all the people who are sooooo easily offended. I get offended. So What? Me being offended doesn't stop anyone from having an opinion. Your opinion doesn't offend me. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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