Re: Deanne/was: chelation thoughts

January 1, 2007

Deanne,

As to the different forms of chelators...I spent a long time, too long some

would say, researching what forms and protocols people were using and what

results they were getting. Without a doubt the oral low/frequent dosing proved

to cause the least amount of problems or redistribution and held the greatest

promise of improvement of all the methods and protocols I have heard of.

I always encourage parents to do their own research so don't take my or anyone

else's word for it. IV is very invasive and has the greatest risk of making the

kids worse. Some of the most horrific stories of regressions I have read about

involved IV therapy...ones where the kid was speaking and articulating clearly

and then couldn't, so that was out for us.

Suppositories also appear invasive and I think can cause other psychological

problems down the line for obvious reasons. We tried to follow the principle as

much as possible of not doing anything to her we would not want done to us, this

includes suppositories for sure.

Td's have proven not to be as effective as the oral forms of chelators for the

majority of the kids. Although td-dmsa appears to be better than td-dmps which

almost did not help any of the kids recover like it was promised. We used it

during a break from oral dmsa and liked it, got reasonably good pulls from it,

but it appears the best chances for recovery is not with the td's.

That leaves oral and the dan! or low/frequent dosing protocol. Dan! uses large

amounts of chelators spaced further out and I did see a fair amount of kids who

did well on this protocol...but also kids who regressed on it. I wished it

wasn't so, it's so much easier. To add to the confusion some kids do well on the

dan! protocol for awhile, and then they all of a sudden..don't. I couldn't see

chancing that ours might be one of the lucky ones and do well with that the

entire way through. The large amounts of chelators suggested also concerned me

and we're glad we didn't use them in high amounts as ours was sensitive to the

small amounts. All the dans! will tell you that 4 hours or 8 hours does NOT make

any difference, but they obviously don't read these boards or pay very good

attention to what the parents are reporting, because I saw a big difference when

I did my little quasi-scientific sampling.

So that just left the oral, low/frequent dosing that is harder, but yields

better results and is certainly safer. Again, see for yourself, but thought it

might be helpful if I outlined how we decided what to use. I wish you well on

your journey.

[ ] chelation thoughts

Thank you everyone for your kind posts to my intro. I have read much

info on the chelation files. Here are some basic questions...

I see that with Andy's protocol the chelator is given every 3 to 4

hours..depending on if ALA is given as well. Here is the obvious

question... would this would be around the clock?? You give this

during the night? I will do whatever it takes to help my sons...but I

just want to be sure I am understanding this right. Any suggestions on

how people are doing this successfully???

My oldest son is currently on a multivitamin powder called ASDplex

from Millenium Nutritionals. This has amino acids, TMG, NAC as well.

Any thoughts on this type of supplement?? We have a very hard time

finding the right supplements..as I am sure many of you have. Any

multivitamin/mineral that people love? I know each child is so different.

Any thoughts on IVIG??? We have taken my son to an immunologist, as I

reasoned that his 'autism' could be partly due to a weekened immune

system. After testing, they have diagnosed him with a primary immune

deficiency called Polysaccharide AB deficiency. He has received four

rounds of IVIG therapy, and after this last round we had a urine tox

screen done. He dumped lots of metals. Much more than with any

chelator we had used up until then. We had tried DM-DMPS for two

months, with giving it every other day. This was how it was

'prescribed' by our DAN doctor. We stopped as that DAN was

overcharging for labs and adding many unnecessary tests. We are just

trying to help our son, and we have found many crooks along the way!

Anyone relate?

So, I am searching to find the most appropriate chelation regimine. I

have also heard of DMSA from Kirkman labs. Is this product at all

comparable?

Thank you for any input. Sounds like you all really are striving to

help your children. I love that...

Deanne

January 2, 2007

I thought the following doctors comments may interest you, many answers in

regards to children with autism and the effect of NCD as a chelator: If you have

any question please ask. Do your due diligence please.

Medical Biography Dr. Prociuk followed by Q and A's

My career as a doctor started off pretty traditionally. I was board certified

Internal Medicine in 1985 and I worked in a teaching hospital initially,

affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania.

I've been an assistant director of an intensive care unit and I was also

involved in Emergency Medicine for a number of years. Limitations of traditional

medicine were very apparent to me from the very beginning of medical school

actually. Fortunately, as I look back, I never really accepted the drug culture

that was carefully molded into us as medical students. I always had an open ear

and an open eye for something else. As I continued to practice as a regular

doctor, my dissatisfaction with traditional methods progressively increased.

I was continually faced with the question, " Doctor, what can you do to help me

get rid of my condition instead of giving me something that just temporarily

relieves the symptoms? "

After years of study, long hours and hard work, I simply didn't have an answer

to those questions. That made me extremely frustrated, and at one point I was

ready to throw in the towel and take up book binding or something for a living.

Right at that time I met an elderly gentleman who was a Doctor and practicing

Homeopathy, and to make a long story short, I took up his offer to practice

Homeopathy. He gave me his practice in 1992. Through the 90s, I practiced very

happily and with a great deal of satisfaction as a classical Homeopath.

During the 90s I encountered lots of kids with various developmental

challenges while on homeopathy and it was clear to me there was a level of

toxicity involved in their condition and more physical methods of treatment were

required. Homeopathy, as many of you may know, is really a form of Energy

Medicine similar to Acupuncture, and that kind of treatment alone, just didn't

seem to cut the mustard. So I attended some conferences that addressed problems

of toxicity in children and learned some of the methods to deal with that,

primarily through nutrition and dietary changes and chelation. I started

implementing those methods in my practice in the 90s and early 2000.

Introduction to NCD

My introduction to NCD came through my partner's mother who was diagnosed with

a very dense uterine cancer in late 2005. To make a long story short, after

about two months on the NCD, there was no clinical evidence that she had any

cancer left. That kind of exposure is an eye popper. You just have to absolutely

stop in your tracks and look at what this product is.

Literally there was nothing in my previous experience that would remotely

resemble that kind of dramatic result. As I studied this very remarkable product

further, I understood it to be a tremendously powerful agent of detoxification

and I immediately recognized that it had wonderful application in the autism

world. Since late and mid December I've been using it with those patients with a

wonderful degree of success and without any of the problems associated with

traditional chelation. Also, a pretty wide range of other problems is very much

helped by NCD in that it removes the toxicity that promotes the establishment of

a wide number of diseases. The last form of traditional chelation that I used

was transdermal DMPS. Sometimes you have to do that for several months before

you really start to see anything, either in terms of the detoxification reaction

or clinical response. Not in every child, but the protocol generally calls for a

prolonged chelation up to two years with multiple testing in between, to make

sure you are not depleting minerals and also from time to time checking liver

function because DMPS does have a low risk of hepatic toxicity.

None of those complications exist with NCD. It doesn't have any depletion

issues. It doesn't have any issues with liver toxicity. Also the propensity for

other chelators to aggravate underlying yeast overgrowth which plagues this

population of patients also doesn't exist with NCD.

NCD actually has fungicidal and fungi static properties of its own. Very

importantly, traditional chelators have a selected target. They are charge

specific, so they will only have an affinity for heavy metals that have the

corresponding charge. That just makes NCD a vastly superior choice in my

opinion. As a clinician I can't really ask for anything any better.

Fundamental change coming

From a broad bird's eye prospective, this product is of such an extraordinary

nature, that I truly believe that it will be a catalyst that will change the

entire paradigm of clinical medicine.

Currently we are locked into a disease classification kind of paradigm. In

fact it's kind of arbitrary and manmade and probably doesn't have much

relationship to the real world. The realities of disease are there are genetic

susceptibilities or predispositions and there are environmental stresses

including physical toxins that we are exposed to. It is the combination of these

susceptibilities and stressors that produce the various conditions that we call

diseases.

The whole paradigm of clinical medicine, I believe, is going to shift more to

understanding, what we can do to remove the stressors, because that will allow

the healing capacity of the body to become liberated to do what it knows how to

do. We have in our hands, a product which is absolutely remarkable in its power

to do that. The opportunity to participate in this whole shift is truly

extraordinary and is certainly something I want to be a part of.

Epidemic of childhood health problems linked to increasingly toxic world

We have the sickest generation of children in this current generation than

ever before in American History. One third of our children, now, approximately

are on some kind of chronic medication. All you have to do as adults is ask

yourself, how many children in your class, when you were in school, in general,

is possibly two in the whole school. Now there are three or four in every class.

The list of diseases goes on and on.

Clearly we are facing an epidemic, not only in the Autism Spectrum, but in the

whole health picture of this generation of children that has taken a marked and

very scary turn for the worse.

Whenever you are faced with that kind of picture it is clearly some kind of

environmental toxicity. The human genetic makeup will never deteriorate that

quickly spontaneously, because if it did, human beings would have been wiped out

eons ago. The question then is what has done this? We are seeing the same

picture in all parts of the country. The statistics are roughly the same, so,

it's something the children are being uniformly exposed to, and in my opinion,

that something is the lunatic vaccine schedule the children are now receiving.

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Notes below have been typed from the December 20 and April 6 conference calls

with Dr. Prociuk, who is working with liquid zeolite and reversing symptoms of

autism and other behavioral disorders in children. Notes taken by Karuna Thal

are not a totally complete transcription but are probably 95% complete. There is

nothing added, and nothing important left out. In this transcript we are

referring only to liquid zeolite, not to a brand name, in order to be in accord

with FDA regulations.

There is also a Question and answer session with Rik Deitsch, biochemist from

December 20, 2006 detailing disease that need to have toxins removed and the

liquid zeolite does that.

Dr. Prociuk, M. D. Conference call April 6, 2006

Hostess & MC: Marcy Littlejohn

Dr. Prociuk

Thank you for the invitation Marcy. I totally appreciate having the

opportunity to speak about these wonderful products. My career started out

pretty normally. I was board certified internal medicine in 1985, and worked in

a teaching hospital initially, affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania.

I've been an assistant director of an intensive care unit, and I also was

involved in emergency medicine for a number of years. The limitations of

traditional medicine were very apparent to me from the very beginning of medical

school. Fortunately, as I look back, I can say I never really trusted the drug

culture that was carefully molded into us as medical students. I always had an

open ear and an open eye for something else.

As I continued to practice as a regular doctor, my dissatisfaction with

traditional methods progressively increased. I was continually faced with the

question, " Doctor, what can you do to help me get rid of my condition, instead

of giving me something that just temporarily relieves the symptoms.

After years of study and long hours of hard work, I simply didn't have an

answer to those questions. That made me extremely frustrated. At one point I was

ready to throw in the towel and take up book binding or something for a living.

At that time I met an elderly gentleman who was a doctor and practicing

homeopath. To make a long story short, I took up his offer to practice

homeopathy. He gave me his practice in 1992. Through the '90s I practiced very

happily and with a great deal of satisfaction as a classical homeopath. During

the '90s I encountered lots of kids with various developmental challenges, and

while homeopathy was very helpful in a lot many of those cases, there were a

good number who only partially responded, and many who didn't respond at all. It

was clear to me that there was a level of toxicity involved in their conditions

for which more physical methods of treatment were required. Homeopathy, as some

of you may know, is a form of energy medicine, similar to acupuncture. That

Autism and behavioral disorders in children type of treatment alone just didn't

seem to cut the mustard.

I attended some conferences that addressed the issue of toxicity in children.

I learned some of the methods to deal with them, primarily through nutrition,

dietary changes and chelation. I started integrating those methods in my

practice in the late '90s and early 2000s. My introduction to liquid zeolite

came through my partner's mother, who was diagnosed with very advanced uterine

cancer in late 2005.

After about 2 months on liquid zeolite, there was no clinical evidence that

she had any cancer left. That's just an eye popper. You just absolutely have to

stop dead in your tracks and look at what this product is. Literally there was

nothing in my previous experience that remotely resembled that kind of dramatic

results. As I studied this very remarkable product further, I understood it to

be a tremendously powerful agent of detoxification, and I recognized that it had

a wonderful application in the autism world. Since mid-December I've been using

it with a wonderful degree of success, and without the problems associated with

traditional chelation. Also, a pretty wide range of other problems are very much

helped by liquid zeolite, in that it removes the toxicity that promotes the

establishment of a wide number of diseases. There is lots more I could say, but

I think I'll open it up for questions.

Marcy

I have a list of questions, and will start with the ones that were sent in

ahead of time. I also have some guests on the line who will ask questions.

Hopefully I can trust the group to mute their lines... at the end we'll open it

up for questions. and I have been working with each other and with a group

of autistic children... We each have some great testimonies. has been

working with somewhere between 30 or 40 kids already... and only 1 didn't show

results in the first couple of months?

Dr. Prociuk

Yes. Traditional methods of chelation - the last form I used was trans-dermal

DMPS. You have to do that for several months before you start to see anything...

either in terms of detox reaction or clinical response. Not in every child but

the protocol generally calls for a long chelation, up to 2 years, with testing

in between to make sure you're not depleting minerals, and also from time to

time checking liver function, because DMPS has a low risk of hepatic toxicity.

None of those complications exist with liquid zeolite. It doesn't have depletion

issues. It doesn't have any liver toxicity. Also the propensity for other

chelators to aggregate yeast overgrowth, which plagues this population of

patients, also doesn't exist with liquid zeolite. Liquid zeolite has fungicidal

and fungi static properties of its own. Very importantly, traditional chelators

have a selected target. They're charge specific and only have an affinity for

metals with a specific charge. Liquid zeolite doesn't have that limitation. It

complexes the full spectrum of heavy metals with equal affinity and that makes

it a vastly superior choice in my opinion... It's the perfect tool. As a

clinician, you really can't ask for anything better.

Marcy

When we see something without any dangerous side effects and virtually

incredible results, it is incredible.

Dr. Prociuk

Some parents have reported a shift in their child within the first day or two.

Others take a little longer. Sometimes the results are very dramatic, sometimes

they're a bit more gradual. With perhaps 2 exceptions I haven't heard a single

parent tell me they haven't had any results at all. That's generally after the

first month when they come back for a follow up.

That was not my experience with DMPS. You have to stay the course and hope...

After 3 or 4 months you have to have patience and encourage patience in the

parents. This is infinitely more satisfying as a clinician to have a product

like this to use-a real delight actually.

Marcy

As a non-clinician the results are delightful for me. You don't have to have a

degree to use this. We are so blessed that moms, dads, aunts, and uncles can

bring this product to the family and know they are safe in doing so.

Dr. Prociuk

The other thing I want to mention is that you have such tremendous control

over the dosage. You can literally start with one drop if you have a very

sensitive kid. Or you can even dilute that one drop and give them less if you

have an extraordinarily sensitive child, and work up slowly. The liquid zeolite

lasts in the body 4 to 7 hours. It's not stored, it's not metabolized. And that

gives you a tremendous amount of control and lack of worry in terms of side

effects, which is a huge advantage.

Marcy

That answers one of our questions beautifully. I didn't even have to state the

question... Do you have an idea what you'd use for a weight scale in working

with children?

Dr. Prociuk

I don't go by weight. I try to get an assessment of a child's sensitivity. A

50 pound child may be able to handle an adult dose very comfortably. On the

other hand, a metabolically child might be able to handle only 2 drops. So in

this particular population, as a rule, I will always start with a low dose-say 2

drops twice a day, and I'll caution the parents to look for detox symptoms.

Slowly work up according to the child's response. For a child, I'd never exceed

10 drops 3x/day, and very often much less is required.

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You gauge how much you give according to what you see. If you run into a detox

kind of situation where there's nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy, increased

hyperactivity, skimming, things like that-I'll skip a dose or two, let the

reaction die down, and resume it at the previous lower dose. I don't believe

that pushing a child through the detoxification phase does anything favorable

for the child or parent... You can go more slowly, give every body a break, and

in the end get the results. It may take a little longer. It's a more comfortable

and easier way to go.

I'm a firm believer that the " one size fits all " simply doesn't click in

clinical medicine. You have to take each person separately and take into account

his or her individual sensitivity and go accordingly.

Question

1 in every 120 kids is diagnosed with autism... Do you see that to be true?

Dr. Prociuk

Clearly we have an epidemic of neuron-developmental disorders, and we have the

sickest generation ever, 1/3 of the children on some kind of chronic medication.

Ask any adult how many of our classmates as kids had asthma. Now it's 3 in every

class. Not only in the autism spectrum, but in the whole health picture. It's

taking a marked, and scary turn for the worst. It's clearly environmental-not

genetic, or humans would have been wiped out eons ago.

We're seeing roughly the same statistics in all part of the country. In my

opinion, it's the lunatic vaccine schedule that children are getting. I believe

it's not just the MMR. There are many factors to be

considered.Thimerosol....putting 80 times the EPA recommended amount into an

infant is not only lunatic but also criminal. There's the biological effect-the

human immune system is designed to deal with one antigen at a time. Vaccines

inject 8 to 10 antigens at one time. When you do that, something is going to

break.

Liquid zeolite appears to be efficacious with a very wide variety of toxins;

including all the toxins associated with vaccines... including... heavy metals,

yeast toxins... that's what makes it such a valuable tool in dealing with this.

Any child would benefit from liquid zeolite just to clean up the garbage.

Marcy

is a doctor. We don't make medical claims. What we are doing is trying

to help your awareness. We're not recruiting here. We are making every effort to

educate people about a clear, concise victory weapon. We want to give clear

information, without making claims...

Comment

My 3 year old has been on liquid zeolite for 3 weeks... He doesn't grind his

teeth at night any more. Why?

Dr. Prociuk

Skimming, slapping, eye movements, pinching, teeth grinding are symptoms of a

central nervous system that is constantly short-circuiting. There was a paper

written comparing symptoms of mercury toxicity to autism- there are about 100

symptoms in each column, and they are remarkably similar. The fact this child is

no longer doing that is evidence that liquid zeolite has removed toxins from

this child, which is a wonderful thing. You can be sure it worked without

stirring up yeast... and causing depletion of essential minerals.

Question

Have any of your patients gotten completely well?

Dr. Prociuk

Kids that have no recognizable symptoms of autism are a definite minority.

Maybe 10% of the kids I've treated have fallen into that category...

Developmental pediatricians, etc. say the diagnosis of autism no longer apply to

that child.... With the majority, there are still ongoing issues of a

developmental nature that require time and patience.With liquid zeolite...I had

one guy whose feet were raw and flaking, they looked like hamburger. They

cleared up after a few weeks on liquid zeolite. People say, " Is it good for

this...? " The degree to which systemic toxicity is causing that situation is the

degree to which it will help. You use it to clean the house. When the house is

clean, the body's ability to heal itself will function that much better.

Question

Does it matter what age the child is?

Dr. Prociuk

In general, the younger the better, the...condition is not that deeply

established...however anybody can respond. You cannot predict how a patient will

respond or not respond. I'm presently treating a 35 year old autistic lady who

had no ability to focus or stay on track whatsoever. After a few weeks on liquid

zeolite, her mother said she read 3 pages of a book without stopping and with

comprehension...The individual's ability to heal should never be pre-judged. Use

the liquid zeolite to clean house. According to that patient's ability to

respond, the response will be there.

Question

Have you have experience with Asbergers' condition?

Dr. Prociuk

I have a number of children with Asbergers' taking liquid zeolite. None of the

parents have reported a great shift. However their social interactions all seem

to be moving in a beneficial direction. Asberger Syndrome is within ASP

spectrum. It's not full-blown autism...

Marcy

Some of the kids have stopped spinning and have stopped wearing helmets...

Dr. Prociuk

We're seeing increased eye contact. The mother who first sees it will tell you

that's not a small thing. Improvement in speech, receptive language, and

expressive language ...increased bowel function across the board. This can have

wide ranging clinical benefits. Whatever's wrong, that child can respond to good

detox regimen.

Question

Last night my autistic 4 year old was kicking his feet in the tub. He looked

at me to see my reaction. We're seeing increased activity. What should we do

with dose?

Dr. Prociuk

I'd adjust dose... it seems like a detox. If there's disruption in the

household, you could skip a dose or 2, or go to a lower dose. The great thing

about this product is you can totally customize a dose. You can give different

doses in morning and evening. You can't do that with other chelation agents.

Question

Please explain basic liquid zeolite mechanism.

Dr. Prociuk

Liquid zeolite is a honeycomb shaped molecule. It has a vast absorptive

surface area. 100 drops contains an absorptive surface area of 80 to 90 square

feet, which is incredible. In one level teaspoon roughly, there is 80 to 90

absorptive square feet of surface area. It is a very strongly negatively charged

molecule. Toxins of all sorts, and certainly heavy metals, are all, without

exception, positively charged. The basic mechanism of action is; there's a

magnetic attraction to toxic build up areas in the body. Toxins are

preferentially bonded to the zeolite because the zeolite contains a much

stronger pull than the tissue to which the toxin is attached. The question of

depletion of essential minerals arises, because you'll say that calcium,

magnesium, zinc, and other essentials are also positively charged. They do have

an affinity for the zeolite molecule, but it's a much lower affinity than heavy

metals because of the shape and size of the essential minerals. It's a molecular

dimension issue more than anything. When in the presence of heavy metals,

whatever essential minerals are bound to the zeolite are easily displaced by the

heavy metals which have a much stronger affinity for the binding sites of the

zeolite. When the molecule reaches electrical neutrality after it has complexed

whatever it's complexing it goes easily out the kidneys or the liver. It is an

extra ordinarily simple mechanism of action and is extra ordinarily effective.

Normal healthy tissue, because it's slightly alkaline and carries a negative

charge will repel the zeolite. This is why it has this extra ordinary safety

profile.

Marcy

A young girl went from spinning stage-no longer rocking and knocking. I talk

about what kids couldn't do that they are doing now. She didn't speak, or

associate with people other than her mother. Within the first few weeks of using

the product-10 drops 3x/day, she started going through the house following

people. The following turned into pantomime and the use imagination, which is

one of the criteria that seems to be missing from our kids...In a little more

than 3 weeks she began conversation. We're very excited about the conversations

that started with " Let me do that. "

Dr. Prociuk

One of the things that will be observed with liquid zeolite is what we call

retracing. Retracing is the transient return of old symptoms. In treating an

autistic kid, parents will sometimes say, " the speech is better, eye contact is

better, receptive speech is better, imaginative play is better...but he's doing

this particular skim which he did a year ago and we haven't seen it for a year. "

What retracing means is that means the cellular memory of that particular

symptom has been retained. Just because it disappeared doesn't mean it's been

resolved, it's still layered over by something else. One of the signs of a deep

healing reaction is retracing. When you start to see old symptoms transiently

re-appear, it means a very deep healing reaction is going on. You can push

through that. A retracing is something you can push through. It's very different

than a detoxification. An acute detoxification reaction-you'll see nausea,

diarrhea, vomiting, sweating, and lethargy... an increased aggravation of the

current symptom picture of what's already going on. That's very different from

retracing. If you do see retracing, stay the course, and almost without

exception that behavior will go away in a few days.

Marcy

Dr. Rau is very familiar with what we're talking about. He has some questions.

Dr. Rau

When you treat the children with liquid zeolite, do you exclusively treat the

children with liquid zeolite, or continue to use other protocol?

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Dr. Prociuk

Do I continue to use other elements of the DAN protocol and dietary

supplementation? The answer is definitely yes. Liquid zeolite is simply the

detoxification end of it. These kids all still need nutritional supplementation

according to their particular metabolic imbalances, and the dietary

modifications, which are appropriate for each child. Those are maintained and

are an essential part of the treatment.

Dr. Rau

When we chelate with other agents-DMPS or EDTA, I follow the metals... do you

have a way to do that with liquid zeolite?

Dr. Prociuk

Yes... I have hair and urine results pending. Some DAM doctors monitor that

very frequently. That's not my practice. I'll have a specimen every 2 or 3

months. I can't tell you the results yet. Clinical results interest me most.

They are very satisfying, and I don't have any doubt that there is a shedding of

heavy metals or whatever toxins are affecting the child.

You may be aware of Dr. Flowers' work at Eno Research & Development lab,

where...he documented heavy mental excretion studies in a group of coal miners,

and also in 2 groups of healthy men. That occurred within a very short time

following liquid zeolite administration. Urinary excretion of heavy metals has

definitely been established already.

Marcy

They did a very thorough test-all results were amazing using high tech stuff

like gas-chromatography-mass spectroscopy as well as hair, urine and saliva

analysis....

Dr. Prociuk

He demonstrated that all the heavy metals were excreted, not just mercury or

lead... Dr. Flower's research showed an increased simultaneous excretion of a

full spectrum of heavy metals. That was very clear and very dramatic.

Dr. Rau

I find a number of children have high very titers of viruses-rubella,

cytomegalovirus...Do you think the detoxification also effects viruses?

Dr. Prociuk

I have one case, which directly pertains to that. A young girl came to me in

December. She had deteriorated dramatically after an MMR booster in August of

2005. Her history was that at the age of her original injury was at about 18

months, after her first MMR, she was devastated, made a complete recovery, and

for some reason and at the age of 5 the lunatic pediatrician gave her another

booster, and she completely fell apart. Heavy metals are hard to assess. Her

urine and hair analysis didn't show metals, but her titer of rubella was many

times higher than normal. It seemed to me pretty clear to me. I think she was

affected by the biologic injury of that vaccine. She had incredible

hyperactivity-she was constantly in motion and babbling away. She simply

wouldn't stop moving for one millisecond. It was truly astonishing. Within about

2 weeks of the liquid zeolite she began to settle down.

She went through a detox. Her detox was abrupt vomiting. She'd be going along

and all of the sudden vomit, and then she was fine. Then she'd vomit some more,

then she'd be fine. That happened about 4 or 5 times over about a one-week

period. After that, there were noticeable improvements in her hyperactivity.

I saw her in follow up last week. Her mother was in the bathroom, and this

child was sitting in my waiting room reading a book. That was 2 months after

being on liquid zeolite, and the change was absolutely extraordinary. I can't

prove it, but that's empiric evidence to me that the liquid zeolite can deal

with the biologic injury of these vaccines as well. Obviously that's a small

number of cases, but nonetheless very dramatic...

Marcy

The most important study is what you do yourself at home. Do your own

study-take the product home and see what it does for you and your family.

We're working with many wonderful doctors who are led to what we have because

of their genuine concern for the children... I have somebody else I'd like to

invite to ask a question. runs a big rehab clinic for spectrum disorders

for kids. Her clinic is called Excel, and she's very interested... in what you

have to say.

What if the child is taking other meds, like seizure medication or something

like that? Would it impact the dosage level of the other meds? The other

question: Looking at the structure of the molecule, they refer to the

honeycomb... if those are carbon molecules, I though that could only bond 4

times, and it seems like there's a bond of 5. What creates the stability of the

structure?

Dr. Prociuk

Regarding medications, I asked this question to the chairman of the scientific

advisory board, Rik Deitsch. He said the 2 drug counter-indications to liquid

zeolite are lithium-a metal, which will be bound by liquid zeolite..., and the

chemotherapy agents carboplatin and cisplatin. Both contain platinum... The

recommendation is that approximately 12 hours before receiving those drugs, and

for 24 hours after, liquid zeolite not be given. All other drugs carry a neutral

or slightly negative charge, and for that reason they have no particular

affinity for the liquid zeolite, so it will not interfere. I've used it with my

adult patients on thyroid and heart medications, and have seen no evidence at

all that it interferes with those drugs... The circulatory life of the liquid

zeolite in the body is 4 to 6 hours. It doesn't store, it doesn't metabolize at

all, and is completely eliminated. There are no long-term issues with liquid

zeolite whatsoever. It's extraordinarily safe.

Regarding the second question, I'm a little out of my league. I'm not a

molecular physicist. Dr. Flowers gave all the molecular info at the conference.

As I understand it, part of the absorptive part of the molecule is the

honeycomb. It's within the honeycomb that this negative charge exists... The 4

carbon square, I'm not sure...

Marcy

I have somebody here who has the answer to that question. My husband Chip has

been working with Rik and may have the answer to that question.

Chip Littlejohn

Zeolite is a mineral, not an organic substance. If you look at the patent, or

if you're just now getting the power point by Dr. Flowers, he has a beautiful

diagram there of the molecules hooked together to each other to form this

labyrinth. It's comprised of silicone, magnesium, and-don't bail out on me with

shock now-aluminum. Remember, it was born in a volcano and it takes a volcano to

break the molecule again. " It's extremely stable. Though aluminum is part of the

molecule the aluminum stays in the molecule, and it will pick up, trap, and

transport free aluminum and other toxic substances out of the body. You go right

down through the chain of heavy metals. It will become clear to you as you read

the material, and especially when you see the honeycomb build in the power point

from Dr. Flowers. I don't know if I dare give out Marcy's email, there are over

500 people on this call, she'd probably get buried.

Dr. Prociuk

What Chip alluded to... You have to heat the molecule to 900 degrees

Fahrenheit at 500 degrees before it will break apart. This makes the molecule

extremely safe and stable... It won't open up within the body and release the

toxins unless you jump into a lava bath yourself...

Marcy

All the pollutants, which are naturally in clinoptilolite, have been removed

from the product before it comes to our people. So ... we're sending it into the

body hungry so it can remove the pollutants...

Is it OK to recommend this product to patients who are not seeing a

homeopathic physician at the same time?

Marcy

I'm not a physician, but the list of children I've helped with product is

growing dramatically. It does not have to be promoted by a physician. It's great

when a physician uses this product...

Dr. Prociuk

I would agree with Marcy. With patients that are essentially stable, you can

recommend liquid zeolite without a physician being involved. Start at a low

dose, and caution the parents to increase it gradually. You've got this

tremendous safety profile going for you. As long as you start low and go slow,

you won't have any difficulty. If I were a parent of an autistic child, I'd have

my child on it, whether my child was seeing a physician or not.

Questions which were emailed in: Question

What dosage would you recommend for a 14 month old with an undiagnosed

neurological problem?

Dr. Prociuk

In terms of dose, I might start as low as 1 drop 3x/day, and slowly work up to

a maximum of maybe 5 drops 3x/day. I treated a lady in her third trimester-I

mentioned this in the call we had last week. In her second trimester she got a

flu vaccine that had 25 mg. of Thimerosol in it. After the vaccine she noticed a

decrease in the number of fetal movements. I put her on 10 drops of liquid

zeolite 3 times a day. She definitely detoxed. She had heat flushes and

reactions going on. Her urine was kind of putrid for a week or so. After that

was all over, the fetal movements definitely increased. I feel confident the

development of that child is on a different trajectory now. In terms of safety

I'm confident enough in the safety profile of this product to have given it to a

pregnant woman without any concern...

Question

We have a girl with Ausberger's... Her current medication is... Shall we try

liquid zeolite?

Dr. Prociuk

Yes, you should try liquid zeolite. I would start with 5 drops, 3x/ and work

up to 10 drops 3 times a day.

Question

Can you address liquid zeolite and its benefits to autism, Candida, and

Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD). Also does liquid zeolite help clean the body

of recreational drugs?

Dr. Prociuk

We've covered autism. I don't have any direct experience with recreational

drugs. The answer to those kinds of questions-to the degree that toxicity to

that substance is an issue, I do believe the liquid zeolite has a role in the

recovery of that patient.

Marcy

I'd like you to describe the process of what won you over to liquid zeolite

and our cause.

Dr. Prociuk

The main catalyst was my partner's mother. As a doctor, to see a stage 3-B,

very advanced, very aggressive uterine cancer resolve-that completely blew my

mind. I'd never encountered anything like that. As I began to look more at the

molecule, speak to the people involved, and understand the quality of the

company and the people involved. I saw this is an opportunity that I couldn't

ignore.

As my involvement has deepened, the level of my satisfaction and delight in

seeing the results and using the product has progressively increased. I think

that this company is fresh, young, vibrant, and the intent of everybody that I'm

in contact with, including the co-owners, the scientific advisory board, my

upline, provides an absolutely unprecedented opportunity to do something really

wonderful.

Marcy

If there's one thing you did not get to say on the call... what do you think

that question would be, and what's the answer?

Dr. Prociuk

From a broad birds' eye perspective, this product is of such an extraordinary

nature, that I truly believe it will be a catalyst that will change the entire

paradigm of clinical medicine. Currently we're locked into a disease

classification kind of paradigm. In fact that's kind of arbitrary and man made

and probably doesn't have much relationship to the real world.

The realities of disease are there and genetic susceptibilities or

predispositions, and there are environmental stresses including physical toxins

that we're exposed to. It's the combination of these susceptibilities and the

environmental stressors that produce the various conditions that we call

diseases.

The whole paradigm of clinical medicine, I believe, is going to shift, more to

understanding what can we do to remove the stressors, because that will allow

the natural capacity of the body to become liberated and do what it knows how to

do.

We have in our hands a product which is absolutely remarkable in its power to

do that. I think that the opportunity to participate in this whole shift is

truly extraordinary. It's certainly something that I want to be part of.

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The following is a transcript from 12/20/2006 Dr Prociuk teleconference about

Natural Cellular Defense (NCD) by Waiora. Everything from autism, arthritis,

chron disease, lyme disease, Multiple sclerosis, autism, bad Hearing, cancer,

allergies, parasites, Hemochromatosis, kidney stones, diabetes, Chronic

Inflamatory Demylinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP) and HIV,

Q: Could early stage use of NCD cause fever blisters on the tongue?

A: Eruptions on the skin, other mucous membranes, increase of body

discharge can all increase as part of the initial detox. Cold sores,

fever blisters - there can be a flare of those. The important thing

is to keep going - it will decrease. You can apply liquid zeolites

topically on those eruptions.

Q: Started 3 times 3 drops, initially good, then crashed. Waited, started

again with 1 stop. Stimming with tongue, black rings under eyes. Should we stick

with it? This is a sensitive child (autism).

A: If you're seeing progress on a minimal dose, keep going. You

don't want to push this child beyond limits. When crashed, the

child's detox was overwhelmed. The important thing is you waited,

started lower, that's exactly what you should have done. Detox

reactions are not harmful, they are readily reversible. I have yet

to see a reaction in an autistic child in whom the regression

lasted any length of time (whereas with regular chelators, the child

can regress and the regression can last months). Good to be cautious

w/sensitive patients.

Q: 65 year old woman, rhinitis, has had 5 operations to remove

polyps. Used herbs, other therapies. But polyps have returned, she's

experiencing difficulty breathing through her nose. Also has eczema.

Can you speak to rhinitis and nasal polyps?

A: Liquid zeolites are not for any one specific medical condition. We

don't advocate zeolites for any condition in particular. That said,

zeolites is a superb detox agent, detoxes a wide variety of toxins.

It has been useful in patients of mine with sinusitis. This case

suggests the person is born with a constitution to be prone to

polyps. Homeopathy might be helpful for this. Could this be viral in

origin? More likely the rhinitis is fungal, and the polyps is an

allergic condition. Be careful with aspirin. If you blocked up with

topical use, then don't use the zeolites topically here. Stick to

systemic use. Use doses in the neighborhood of 40-50 drops a day.

You probably have a high toxic burden. It's impossible to say if the

NCD would prevent the polyps from growing back if you have surgery.

There is a chance they could recur, if you have a propensity, a

predisposition. The decision to use surgery or steroids is up to you.

Q: Is it best to take zeolites in water?

A: You can take it in water, in food, in hot drinks, anything, and

the efficacy is not changed.

Q: Some practitioners are recommending taking vitamin C with

zeolites.

A: I can't think of why this would improve how zeolite works. This

is not going to improve the ability of liquid zeolites to absorb

toxic substances. It works independently.

Q: A friend has estrogen-positive breast cancer. She had surgery. Can

she use liquid zeolites with estrogen-positive cancer? Is it safe to

take zeolites with Tamoxifen?

A: Zeolite is not a treatment for cancer. But zeolite does work as a

powerful detoxifier. It would be appropriate to use zeolites,

doesn't matter if estrogen-positive or estrogen-negative. Rik

Deitsch has spoken before on using zeolites with drugs. Zeolites have

an affinity for positively charge molecules - most drugs are

negatively charged. There should be no affinity to Tamoxifen.

Q: Malignant brain tumor for 23 years. It grows and has to be

clipped down. There is no diagnosis from the clipping. Can liquid

zeolites help?

A: Any abnormal growth in the body is very likely caused or

maintained by toxic accumulation. Dr Sherry , after

extensively researching environmental toxins, has said up to 95% of

all conditions including cancer are the result of poor diet and

toxic accumulation. The fact that it's malignant, I wouldn't be

worried about rapid detox.

Q: What about experiencing dizziness from liquid zeolites?

A: That's probably from dehydration. Zeolite pulls water, you have

to replace it and increase it in fact. Drink more water; see if the

dizziness goes away.

Q: What about skin rashes when taking liquid zeolites? I'm on

maintenance levels of zeolites.

A: That is a discharge, toxins being released through the skin. You

can adjust the doses to even lower. Detox is occurring. You can also

apply the zeolites directly to the eruption.

Q: How do you get a child with autism that won't drink water to

drink with the liquid zeolites?

A: Tough question. Often they get thirstier with zeolites, so maybe

they'll drink. But if you can't get them to drink, you might want to

stay at low doses of zeolites, so the child doesn't dehydrate.

Q: Ear growth, need surgery, risk hearing loss.

A: Try topical application, put zeolites in the ear canal. Also,

take zeolites orally. I wouldn't rush to surgery, try using the

zeolites for a few weeks, a few drops in the ear canal plus take it

orally up to 50 drops a day. Revisit the ear growth in a month; see

if surgery is still recommended.

Q: Having uterine cancer surgery the end of this month. How much

zeolite?

A: 80-100 drops a day = 15 drops 5x a day, with lots and lots of

water. Even after the surgery, continue with the liquid zeolite.

Q: Kidney stones?

A: I've heard of people having excellent results using zeolites with

kidney stones.

Q: If a child has a tendency for cold sores (herpes simplex), and

you get cold symptoms when using NCD, does that mean we'll

definitely get a flare up of cold sores if we start NCD and get cold

symptoms?

A: This could be a part of the initial detox, but continue to use

zeolites. Also you can try applying the zeolites directly on the

eruption. A few of my patients initially had a flare, but later on,

either much-reduced flare or no more flares. Several people have

reported that putting even 1 drop on the eruption completely aborts

the attack. In one case, the cold sore disappeared in 45 minutes!

Q: Lung cancer survivor. Uncertain things appeared on other lung. I

began taking 20 drops 4x, now taking 30 drops 2x. I am drinking lots

of water. I feel like I need potassium, so I take with tomato juice.

A: I recommend spreading that out. It lasts 4-7 hours in the body.

You want to keep it constant in the body. Zeolite does not deplete

potassium. Your body may want potassium for other reasons. Growths

in the lung or elsewhere are very commonly the result of toxins that

accumulate in the body. They cause abnormal growth, that's well

documented.

Q: Can the drops be used directly in the eyes? Any caveats?

A: Yes. Some patients report irritation. I had a compounding pharmacist up the

ph to 7, and that reduced the irritation noticeably. I've had patients use for

conjunctivitis, and they felt zeolites helped.

Q: What kinds of applications are best for topical?

A: Eczema, warts, psoriasis, fungal eruptions, and any skin eruption can

benefit from liquid zeolites. I've had a patient with shingles, and

she applied topically and took orally, and felt zeolites speeded up

the process. Other uses: ears (like ringing in the ear), eye. I know

of one case where a lady prepared a douche with zeolites because of

cancer, and that seemed to resolve the intra-vaginal cancer very

quickly. A year later, that person is cancer-free. Also enemas, small volume,

retain for 20 minutes. Take drops internally at the same time.

Q: I'm aware of mold causing adverse problems. Can you speak to

results people are getting from zeolites?

A: The toxins that mold secretes into the body are very bad.

Fatigue, joint aches and pains, mental fogginess, etc. caused by mold toxins.

In autistic children, chronic yeast is a big problem. Many treatments

(supplements, chelators) aggravate the yeast in these kids. In using the

zeolites, I have yet to see one child have a yeast flare while taking the

zeolites to detoxify. That's a huge success story, at least in my practice. With

traditional chelators you get into a constant yeast battle.

Q: Are people experiencing healing crisis on zeolites?

A: Yes, any detoxification can bring upon a healing crisis. The

toxic burden, as it comes out of the tissues, can overwhelm the

body's ability to excrete it, and cause uncomfortable reactions.

They are not harmful, they are transient. Sensitive people will have

this reaction with zeolites.

Q: Son 3, autism, chelated 50 rounds, but still metal-toxic. Viral protocol 6

months ago. During protocol started having petit mal seizures (momentary lapse

in consciousness). These eventually stopped. Two weeks ago, I started using

liquid zeolites. My son had a seizure. I stopped all supps, seizures went on for

a few days. Son also had large blisters on hand the day of the seizure. The

blister didn't look like a burn blister, I believe it's related to the zeolites.

Also, toes peeled. I'm eager to deal with the viral problems, but the seizures

frighten me.

A: This is a child that is virally affected, as well as heavy metal.

The anti-viral protocol produced seizure(s). If it's seen again with

the NCD, that's a detox reaction. These absence seizures are

unsettling, but not dangerous. Along with the eruptions on hands and

feet, this strongly suggests he's detoxing. There is no nice way to

get these toxins out of these kids. You will see reactions at times

that are upsetting. Sometimes this means you should lower the dose.

But don't stop. Continue the zeolites. I suspect the seizures will

not occur, it's likely to be a transient event, once the toxic

burden drops they'll likely stop. Retracing can occur. If there was

a prior history of seizures, going back through the layers is a

strong indication you're headed in the right direction. Don't be

frightened, discouraged. Continue cautiously. These kids have to be

detoxified.

Q: What about a child that gets aggressive due to copper/zinc

imbalances, and vitamin C?

A: Metallothionein production is off in these kids with copper/zinc

imbalances, usually due to heavy metal toxicity. If this child gets

violent with vitamin C, which suggests the child is very fragile,

very sensitive. Any intervention, including zeolites, there's likely

to be a strong reaction. Use very low doses, very cautiously. Again,

I don't think you need to use vitamin C with zeolites, not sure

where that advice came from. The vitamin C is not a good idea, if

the child gets violent.

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Rik Deitsch 12/20/2006 - teleconference later same night

Questions sent to Marcy Littlejohn - totalwellness@...

The first section is questions that were answered by Marcy Littlejohn.

Q: I have two clients that don't drink water. They consume very little

liquid. They use Natural Cellular Defense.

A: It will be more effective in the presence of water. They will

still see results even if they drink very little liquid. We've seen

some of the kids' urine change - the odor, the amount. After a short

period of time on the product, they started drinking more water,

fluids.

Q: We're going to have allergy testing next week. Should we stop the

NCD during that test?

A: It's not necessary to stop the NCD. Some people find some of

their allergies dissipate with NCD. By the way, no one can be

allergic to NCD.

Q: What about parasites and NCD?

A: One naturopath in CA reports unbelievable success with parasites.

A friend of mine reports the same. She was able to name and count

the parasites as she excreted them.

Q: What about Teflon?

A: Not only does the zeolite cage capture heavy metals (mercury,

lead, cadmium, aluminum), but also some things attach themselves to

the structure. We're finding Teflon attaches itself to the structure.

Q: Does this help dyslexia?

A: There is an affinity to garbage that creates disease. My son had

carbon monoxide poisoning, and we think this is part of why he had

dyslexia. He's doing much better now on zeolites.

This next section is Rik Deitsch, biochemist, answering questions.

8 clinical studies have been completed on NCD. We've continued

working with volatile organic compounds - benzene, dioxin, etc.

We're studying now how the NCD lowers those levels of VOCs.

Q: Can you talk more about Teflon?

A: Teflon breakdown is called C8. The main ingredient of scotch

guard is in our carpeting, etc as a stain resistant product. This is

a potential carcinogen. This stuff is everywhere. We're looking at

C8 and C8 derivatives. They are large compounds that don't fit in

the zeolites, but they can be bound between zeolites cages. Two or

more zeolites cages trap a molecule of C8.

Q: I have Low blood sugar, low blood pressure, Klynefelter's syndrome, Mcs,

Cfs, Fibro, neuropathy, ganglion in my legs, food and drug

allergies, irregular heartbeat, arthritis in by back and neck (neck

was broken) and others. Can't think that great right now! My pH is

really bad too at around 6.2. That was one of the reasons that I

wanted to try the zeolite! How many drops should he start with? Should he be

taking the fiber and the Essential Daily Nutrients as well (he's ordered them

too) or just start with the NCD first? Also, I would like to hear anything

about Multiple Sclerosis, as I've seen references to it but no actual

experiences.

A: You need to detoxify, but with MCS (multiple chemical

sensitivities) you need to go slow, one or two drops, two or three

times a day, with plenty of water. After a week or two, slowly up

the dose to 10-15 drops 2 to 3 times a day. MS is an autoimmune reaction. All

drugs that work for MS are immunosuppression, but they hamper the immune system,

so they're not the answer. NCD is immunomodulatory, it doesn't shut down the

immune system, it makes it work more efficiently. Besides NCD, add fish oil,

creatine citrate. I have a protocol for MS, if you want to contact Marcy

Littlejohn and get it from her.

Q: Any reason to assume NCD would help Lyme disease and Prostate Cancer?

A: This is not an approved drug, cannot be used to cure. That said,

Lyme Disease is caused by bacteria. If you're diagnosed with Lyme,

you need to be on an antibiotic protocol. After that full treatment,

you might have post-Lyme syndrome. You have nerve disorder,

depending on how long before treating. You can use NCD, fish oil,

creatine, all the same things as MS protocol. Healthy Aging Formula

helps with Lyme.

Prostate Cancer - we looked at epithelial cell cancer. There are

several published studies that discuss zeolites with cancer. I'm not

saying to use this instead of a mainstream cancer treatment, but I

am saying use NCD along with conventional therapies. 15 drops 4x day.

Q: What is GRAS status?

A: Generally Recognized As Safe. The FDA labels things as GRAS. The

FDA doesn't oversee dietary supplements, they just label it as safe

or not. The FDA considers NCD safe and nontoxic.

Q: Is the aluminum safe in the NCD zeolites?

A: The aluminum is safe, it forms the backbone of the zeolite cage.

None of the aluminum comes out of the zeolites. When there is free

silica and free aluminum, that's a different story, but in the

manufacturing of the NCD, we have a process where we clean out the

cage, and it ends up with no free aluminum and no free silica. We

measured excretion of heavy metals, baseline then with NCD, and we

measure complete recovery of the aluminum found in NCD plus

additional aluminum that came from the body.

Q: Does NCD remove excess estrogen?

A: Probably not. These hormones are well regulated through the liver

process. The liver doesn't work when we're so toxic, that's when we

end up with extra estrogen. When you take NCD, you clean the liver;

I would expect estrogen to normalize, even though the NCD doesn't

directly remove the estrogens.

Q: Hemochromatosis, has phlebotomy to remove excess iron. Would NCD

help instead?

A: This is a liver disorder; you end up with too much iron. When you

give blood, you lose iron. It goes up again over time. Iron is low

on the affinity scale of zeolites, zeolites doesn't like iron. But,

with such concentration, the zeolites will remove some of the excess

iron. I have anecdotal evidence from two people; they haven't had to

have phlebotomy, or have to have it less, since they started NCD.

Q: 20 year old male, needs to take insulin shots every day. Wants to

know if NCD will help pancreas.

A: I can't tell. Does he have type 1 or type 2 diabetes? The NCD

would be appropriate with type 1, but I can't go into type 2. The

NCD can't hurt, might even help, but you also need to control blood

sugar levels. If you take pure fiber blend 10 minutes before you

eat, you will regulate blood sugar levels.

Q: Using NCD for 2 months. Artificial hips. Collapsing joints. Nerve

damage. Etc I take 20 drops per day. I get Charlie horse in both

legs.

A: Sounds like you're drinking 2 bottles of water a day, sounds like

you need more water. The zeolite works as long as you maintain a

steady dose. Up to 15 drops 3-4 times a day. Or take 3 drops every

hour (we use this with cancer). That might be something you want to

try. NCD won't fix your hip.but it will make a healthier body. You

might try Healthy Aging Formula as inflammatory.

Q: Contraindications for heart attacks? Diabetes?

A: No

Q: Is there any evidence that NCD helps kidney stones? Do they

dissolve?

A: We've seen so much with kidney stones. For a long time, people

recommended removing calcium if you're prone to kidney stones.a few

years back they realized that's exactly opposite! Advice: Drink more

water; Eliminate foods with oxalic acid; take NCD. NCD does let

calcium in and out of the cage. Anecdotal: A guy was in the hospital

with severe kidney pain, they were going to reduce the stone with

ultrasound, and he took 10 drops NCD every couple hours, by the next

morning they couldn't even find the stone. This would be a really

interesting clinical study, I'll find out if we can put something

together. Oxalic acid example: spinach.

Q: Chronic Inflamatory Demylinating Polyneuropathy (CIDP). Get

monthly IV's of $12000 drug. Do you think NCD would benefit?

A: A lot of these demylinating are autoimmune; I don't know this one

specifically.

Q: NCD and HIV?

A: We have lots of testimonials. NCD helped viral loads decrease.

There are two published studies on zeolites and viral loads.

Probably because of the mechanism, viruses are too large to be

trapped by the zeolites, but pieces of the virus take on a charge.

Those pieces fit in the zeolites, and are removed. The virus now is

missing key pieces and can no longer replicate. Example, imagine

trying to start your car without any spark plugs. NCD seems to help

with viral.

Q: Seventeen year old son with Chron's.

A: Make sure he actually has Chron's, there are other similar

diseases with similar symptoms. Chron's is an autoimmune disease.

Most of the symptoms of Chron's are nutritional depletion; the

disease gets worse and worse as you get depleted. NCD should

modulate the immune, and stop the attack on the receptor sites. For

Chron's, NCD for week or two, then add fiber and EDN supplements

too. Also, eat 6-8 smaller meals throughout the day.

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