How many kids are totally healed by chelation?

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Search for my message #200903 responding to mom2mc2004.

Regarding tests that helped determine that chelation was effective,

firstly, the fecal samples originally showed 5 different heavy metals

near the 1st standard deviation and 8 different heavy metals exceeding

the first standard deviation (>68%). Of the latter, two were almost at

the 2nd sd (95%) and one, nickel, was well past the 2nd sd. As we

progressed, several metals would decrease and some would increase, for

example, once nickel significantly decreased, there was a spike in

beryllium, The next sample would show a decrease in beryllium and an

increase in something else. All in all, the chelator bound with the

first thing it ran into and overall, everything was lowering. Blood

and urinalysis would indicate improvement in his body's ability to

function and was the basis for any changes in supplemental protocol.

These were the quantitative tests. The body slowly moved, here and

there, in line within the realm of normal biological function. As his

body began to improve in these abilities, the behavioral therapies

became more effective in teaching him the things most children learn

during their first few years of life. His behavior moved, week by

week toward what one would expect a typical child of his age to be.

It became our task to begin backing off of the micro-analysis of his

every action looking for problems and improvement because his behavior

moved closer and closer to the gray area of what could be considered

within the realm of normal behavior and what was not. Clear at the

extreme, but not at the margin.

-- In , Floyd <fmorgan@...> wrote:

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> Hi,

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> What chelater did you use? What tests did you use to determine that

the chelation was effective? We used TD-DMPS for a year and it wasn't

effective. We have recently switched to ALA.

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> Thanks for the info!

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chelation?

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> I lived on this list from late 2000 thru late 2002. We

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> chelating our son just before his 3rd birthday in June 2001. His

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> chelation lasted 8 months when the doc decided we should give him a

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> little break. After a few months, a fecal test showed that his body

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> continued to reduce the heavy metal load without chelation, so we

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> stopped. During his 8 months of chelation, he showed marked

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> improvement each week. Sometimes cognitive, sometimes speech,

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> sometimes fine motor, etc. He was receiving Discrete trial training

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> throughout. We opted to move him to a typical pre-school with a

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> shadow when he was 4. By the time he reached kindergarten, he had

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> officially graduated from DTT training; the first graduate they ever

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> had! Within a month of kindergarten, his speech therapist said he had

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> nothing to give my son that he did not already have. For the first

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> time since his diagnosis, he required no therapies. My wife and I

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> went to the kindergarten playground each day to help teach him the

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> fine art of playground behavior (initiating play, asking to join in,

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> etc.) as he did not get this during what would have been normal social

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> development. That lasted a few months. He is now a few months away

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> from his 9th birthday and has been considered cured since that time,

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> though we dared not speak it until he first entered 1st grade. He now

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> has many friends, acts very appropriately for a 9 year old and will be

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> testing for entry into the GATE program (an accelerated class for

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> gifted children).

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> Hope I've been able to shed some hope and encouragement to all on the

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> list. I come here from time to time and always find somone asking the

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> question looking for hope. That's why I come back.

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> Kindest regards,

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[Guest guest]

Interesting as Dmsa causes excretion mainly through the kidneys so it would be

urine that could/should have been tested.

Great story, btw, congratulations to you and your boy and your family. Very

hopeful.

[ ] Re: How many kids are totally healed by

chelation?

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> I lived on this list from late 2000 thru late 2002. We

began

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> chelating our son just before his 3rd birthday in June 2001. His

>

> chelation lasted 8 months when the doc decided we should give him a

>

> little break. After a few months, a fecal test showed that his body

>

> continued to reduce the heavy metal load without chelation, so we

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> stopped. During his 8 months of chelation, he showed marked

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> improvement each week. Sometimes cognitive, sometimes speech,

>

> sometimes fine motor, etc. He was receiving Discrete trial training

>

> throughout. We opted to move him to a typical pre-school with a

>

> shadow when he was 4. By the time he reached kindergarten, he had

>

> officially graduated from DTT training; the first graduate they ever

>

> had! Within a month of kindergarten, his speech therapist said he had

>

> nothing to give my son that he did not already have. For the first

>

> time since his diagnosis, he required no therapies. My wife and I

>

> went to the kindergarten playground each day to help teach him the

>

> fine art of playground behavior (initiating play, asking to join in,

>

> etc.) as he did not get this during what would have been normal social

>

> development. That lasted a few months. He is now a few months away

>

> from his 9th birthday and has been considered cured since that time,

>

> though we dared not speak it until he first entered 1st grade. He now

>

> has many friends, acts very appropriately for a 9 year old and will be

>

> testing for entry into the GATE program (an accelerated class for

>

> gifted children).

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> Hope I've been able to shed some hope and encouragement to all on the

>

> list. I come here from time to time and always find somone asking the

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> question looking for hope. That's why I come back.

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> Kindest regards,

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> Jim

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> > > > have had to chelate. I would love to hear about some success

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> > stories.

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> > > > What results are you getting?

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> > > > TIA

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> > > > http://autismshare. com

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My facts may be a little foggy, but I believe it was Dr. Amy Holmes I

heard describing chelation with her son and finding no additional

mercury excreted in the urine when ALA was added. When his feces was

tested, there was a significant increase. At any rate, we were

dealing with 18 different heavy metals, all showing significant

excretion via feces.

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[Guest guest]

Mandi why don't you like EDTA, I know both Dr. Yasko and Dr. Gordon use it and I

am just curious what some people find is a problem with it.

Chris

Re: [ ] Re: How many kids are totally healed by

chelation?

In a message dated 25/04/2007 19:33:13 GMT Standard Time,

jrowley@... writes:

My facts may be a little foggy, but I believe it was Dr. Amy Holmes I

heard describing chelation with her son and finding no additional

mercury excreted in the urine when ALA was added. When his feces was

tested, there was a significant increase. At any rate, we were

dealing with 18 different heavy metals, all showing significant

excretion via feces.

>>>We saw nothing much in the urine after we added ALA but great puls in

fecal, after two times doingthis we dropped the urine altogether. Also always

saw more in fecal when using the TD DMPS which Andy said should not be s but

it

was

Mandi in UK who got to mention Counting Rules and low frequent dosing

protocol at DAN presetnation last weekend and show a fecal metals with huge

dumps

and point out the dose was only 25mg DMSA and 25mg ALA (wink!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 25/04/2007 20:19:14 GMT Standard Time,

chris_farley@... writes:

Mandi why don't you like EDTA, I know both Dr. Yasko and Dr. Gordon use it

and I am just curious what some people find is a problem with it.

>>It pulled minerals big time for us and we didn't see any gains.

Mandi x

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In a message dated 25/04/2007 22:28:40 GMT Standard Time, joshisims@...

writes:

who got to mention Counting Rules and low frequent

>dosing

> protocol at DAN presetnation last weekend and show a fecal metals

>with huge dumps

> and point out the dose was only 25mg DMSA and 25mg ALA (wink!)

WOW. I thought I felt the earth rumble and crack and saw the sky turn

red this weekend, but I had no idea why! Another mystery solved. ;-)

Good work, Mandi! I hope you had a marvellous time.

>>>Tee hee - I did get to have a 1 on 1 with an IV wielding famous DAN and

suggested IV's make catching samples easy peasy and how simple it is to look

so impressive to less experienced parents when all the focus is on expensive

labs and not whats happening to the kids.................and I can match that

with my itty bitty oral doses, he was lost for words - only momentarily of

course, I said you do have to dose more frequently and smiled. Since they seem

to have been doing it for so long, if it was really quicker and more

effective they should be lining up the recovered kids by now.

There are lots of really really committed DAN doctors and I was impressed at

just how many, its a pity the gung ho attititude of a few spoils it. What

scares me the most is the whole biomed movement going down the tubes in the

media if something bad happens again, poor little Tariq was not seen by a DAN

and the mistake was drug error but if we have another tradegy and the doc does

appear on the DAN list and perhaps the think tank and presents at conferences

that will give the media a field day.

The tribute to Bernie Rimland on Saturday night was totally awesome, tears

all around at the end - how quickly all he worked for could be destroyed. The

DAN detox protocol does not (and I am sure will not) include any IV

treatments for chelation.

Mandi the Motor Mouth from whom you should not take lessons on how to win

friends in the bar!

[Guest guest]

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From: Mum231ASD@...

Mandi in UK who got to mention Counting Rules and low frequent dosing

protocol at DAN presetnation last weekend and show a fecal metals with huge

dumps

and point out the dose was only 25mg DMSA and 25mg ALA (wink!)

<<<Clever, clever girl.

[Guest guest]

No you are correct, I forgot about the Ala which is excreted through the feces.

Still great story again.

[ ] Re: How many kids are totally healed by chelation?

My facts may be a little foggy, but I believe it was Dr. Amy Holmes I

heard describing chelation with her son and finding no additional

mercury excreted in the urine when ALA was added. When his feces was

tested, there was a significant increase. At any rate, we were

dealing with 18 different heavy metals, all showing significant

excretion via feces.

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> > > > > I was a bit disapointed in reading the files about how

long some

> >

> > > > people

> >

> > > > > have had to chelate. I would love to hear about some success

> >

> > > stories.

> >

> > > > > What results are you getting?

> >

> > > > > TIA

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> > > > > http://autismshare. com

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[Guest guest]

> Mandi in UK who got to mention Counting Rules and low frequent

>dosing

> protocol at DAN presetnation last weekend and show a fecal metals

>with huge dumps

> and point out the dose was only 25mg DMSA and 25mg ALA (wink!)

WOW. I thought I felt the earth rumble and crack and saw the sky turn

red this weekend, but I had no idea why! Another mystery solved. ;-)

Good work, Mandi! I hope you had a marvellous time.

Rene

[Guest guest]

It's contraindicated for folks with mercury issues.

S S

Mandi why don't you like EDTA, I know both Dr. Yasko and Dr. Gordon

use it and I am just curious what some people find is a problem with it.

Chris

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You may not " win friends at the bar " , but you do on here. I'd love

to see the Doc's face when faced with your comments.

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> In a message dated 25/04/2007 22:28:40 GMT Standard Time,

joshisims@...

> writes:

>

> who got to mention Counting Rules and low frequent

> >dosing

> > protocol at DAN presetnation last weekend and show a fecal

metals

> >with huge dumps

> > and point out the dose was only 25mg DMSA and 25mg ALA (wink!)

>

> WOW. I thought I felt the earth rumble and crack and saw the sky

turn

> red this weekend, but I had no idea why! Another mystery

solved. ;-)

>

> Good work, Mandi! I hope you had a marvellous time.

>

>

>

> >>>Tee hee - I did get to have a 1 on 1 with an IV wielding

famous DAN and

> suggested IV's make catching samples easy peasy and how simple it

is to look

> so impressive to less experienced parents when all the focus is

on expensive

> labs and not whats happening to the kids.................and I

can match that

> with my itty bitty oral doses, he was lost for words - only

momentarily of

> course, I said you do have to dose more frequently and smiled.

Since they seem

> to have been doing it for so long, if it was really quicker and

more

> effective they should be lining up the recovered kids by now.

>

> There are lots of really really committed DAN doctors and I was

impressed at

> just how many, its a pity the gung ho attititude of a few spoils

it. What

> scares me the most is the whole biomed movement going down the

tubes in the

> media if something bad happens again, poor little Tariq was not

seen by a DAN

> and the mistake was drug error but if we have another tradegy and

the doc does

> appear on the DAN list and perhaps the think tank and presents at

conferences

> that will give the media a field day.

>

> The tribute to Bernie Rimland on Saturday night was totally

awesome, tears

> all around at the end - how quickly all he worked for could be

destroyed. The

> DAN detox protocol does not (and I am sure will not) include any

IV

> treatments for chelation.

>

> Mandi the Motor Mouth from whom you should not take lessons on how

to win

> friends in the bar!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Mandi the Motor Mouth from whom you should not take lessons on how to

win

> friends in the bar!

Even more than I admire someone who will buy rounds, I admire someone

who is willing to risk burnt bridges for the sake of what is right ;-)

Proud of you and Sam's poop!

Anita

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