Re: questions about supplements and behavior after chelating

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>

> We just started chelating, or rather restarted, but this time the

> right way. We are using DMSA, 12.5mg every 3 (4 at night) hours for my

> 50 lb. son. First of all, he has gotten very tired during the off

> time and has regressed, gotten " more autistic " in a way. He is very

> quick to emotional and irrational behavior which turns quickly into

> full meltdown accompanied by really red eyebrows and cheeks.

>

> Questions: Should I lower the dosage in response to the behavior?

>

Yes. His behavior indicates that the dose is slightly high. Andy's

protocol usually starts at doses of 1/8 mg/lb and your son has started

at 1/4 mg/lb.

> Also, I am wondering about timing of supplements, like are there any

> that should not be taken together (I'm thinking candex and probiotics

> is a no-no combo), and what should be taken on an empty/full stomach.

>

> And lastly, is there anything that I might be missing that might help

> my boy's mood. He is on Candex, and multi-vites/mins, GF-CF diet,

> some amino acids, omegas, MB-12 sublinguals (the shots made him

> crazy), probiotics.

Possibly extra Zn, Mg, Vit C, Vit E, B vitamins.

Possibly adrenal cortex extract.

Try a MB12 holiday, then raise the dose gradually to see what dose he

can tolerate.

See the supplement file in the files section.

J

His behavior is really effecting his school

> schedule. We have worked hard to get him to a great place with

> school and it's hurting me to see him take a step backward.

>

> Thanks for all your help! We are attempting this without doctors

> this time and at times I feel in control and other times I feel

> overwhelmed. But, what we went through with our former DAN Dr. has

> made me not trust those guys. It's a shame.

>

> Blaire

>

[Guest guest]

In addition to a lower dose, check his supplements against the list

for chelation given by Andy. Is he on all the minerals and vitamins

that he should be?

Does he need adrenal support for the meltdowns? Is he taking enough

vitamin C to support chelation?

Do not give candex and probiotics together. They should be 4 hours

apart or the candex kills the probiotics. we don't see much

difference if full or empty stomach. Just don't give zinc on empty

stomach it makes people naueaus.

Yes, lower the dose and make sure he is getting enough vites and

minerals according to weight by Andy's list. these will help support

his body. Also, just to note..we do see regressions in between

rounds. The key it to minimize it best you can with low dose, but

you may not elminate it entirely. Also, watch the yeast, he may need

more than candex for chelation. Or more of it.

>

> We just started chelating, or rather restarted, but this time the

> right way. We are using DMSA, 12.5mg every 3 (4 at night) hours

for my

> 50 lb. son. First of all, he has gotten very tired during the off

> time and has regressed, gotten " more autistic " in a way. He is very

> quick to emotional and irrational behavior which turns quickly into

> full meltdown accompanied by really red eyebrows and cheeks.

>

> Questions: Should I lower the dosage in response to the behavior?

>

> Also, I am wondering about timing of supplements, like are there

any

> that should not be taken together (I'm thinking candex and

probiotics

> is a no-no combo), and what should be taken on an empty/full

stomach.

>

> And lastly, is there anything that I might be missing that might

help

> my boy's mood. He is on Candex, and multi-vites/mins, GF-CF diet,

> some amino acids, omegas, MB-12 sublinguals (the shots made him

> crazy), probiotics. His behavior is really effecting his school

> schedule. We have worked hard to get him to a great place with

> school and it's hurting me to see him take a step backward.

>

> Thanks for all your help! We are attempting this without doctors

> this time and at times I feel in control and other times I feel

> overwhelmed. But, what we went through with our former DAN Dr. has

> made me not trust those guys. It's a shame.

>

> Blaire

>

[Guest guest]

Try GABA to. Say 100 mg a few times a day.

Andy

> >

> > We just started chelating, or rather restarted, but this time the

> > right way. We are using DMSA, 12.5mg every 3 (4 at night) hours for my

> > 50 lb. son. First of all, he has gotten very tired during the off

> > time and has regressed, gotten " more autistic " in a way. He is very

> > quick to emotional and irrational behavior which turns quickly into

> > full meltdown accompanied by really red eyebrows and cheeks.

> >

> > Questions: Should I lower the dosage in response to the behavior?

> >

>

>

>

> Yes. His behavior indicates that the dose is slightly high. Andy's

> protocol usually starts at doses of 1/8 mg/lb and your son has started

> at 1/4 mg/lb.

>

>

>

>

> > Also, I am wondering about timing of supplements, like are there any

> > that should not be taken together (I'm thinking candex and probiotics

> > is a no-no combo), and what should be taken on an empty/full stomach.

> >

> > And lastly, is there anything that I might be missing that might help

> > my boy's mood. He is on Candex, and multi-vites/mins, GF-CF diet,

> > some amino acids, omegas, MB-12 sublinguals (the shots made him

> > crazy), probiotics.

>

>

>

> Possibly extra Zn, Mg, Vit C, Vit E, B vitamins.

>

> Possibly adrenal cortex extract.

>

> Try a MB12 holiday, then raise the dose gradually to see what dose he

> can tolerate.

>

> See the supplement file in the files section.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

> His behavior is really effecting his school

> > schedule. We have worked hard to get him to a great place with

> > school and it's hurting me to see him take a step backward.

> >

> > Thanks for all your help! We are attempting this without doctors

> > this time and at times I feel in control and other times I feel

> > overwhelmed. But, what we went through with our former DAN Dr. has

> > made me not trust those guys. It's a shame.

> >

> > Blaire

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> quick to emotional and irrational behavior which turns quickly into

> full meltdown accompanied by really red eyebrows and cheeks.

Red cheeks is a common phenol intolerance symptom

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Do you have a good yeast protocol? The other symptoms might be that

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> Questions: Should I lower the dosage in response to the behavior?

I would.

> Also, I am wondering about timing of supplements, like are there any

> that should not be taken together (I'm thinking candex and probiotics

> is a no-no combo), and what should be taken on an empty/full stomach.

Depends on your supplements. List them, and people can give you info.

>>He is on Candex, and multi-vites/mins, GF-CF diet,

> some amino acids, omegas, MB-12 sublinguals (the shots made him

> crazy), probiotics.

My kids required folic acid and carnitine in order to tolerate mB12.

My son had major aggression problems with omegas until I added mito

cocktail.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jan and and all who responded,

It's nice to have a team of " gone-befores " out there.

We were doing 12.5 mg DMSA (I know one of my posts said 25mg, my bad,

tired I suppose) but now I've halfed even that. We had a really bad

day today, the boy is just really quick to overreact majorly. I have

him on all the suggested supps accd to Andy's lists, substituting

sublingual mb-12 for the shots. Jan, what " more " can a person use

for yeast than Candex? I know we used Nystatin before, but as that

is a perscription I'm not sure I can talk the boy's ped into it.

Also, specifically what is good for adrenal support, I think that

this might be a big issue for us all possibly, especially with the

explosive meltdowns. Sometimes we don't even see it coming, adrenal

tax all over the place!

Thanks again!

Blaire

>

> In addition to a lower dose, check his supplements against the list

> for chelation given by Andy. Is he on all the minerals and vitamins

> that he should be?

> Does he need adrenal support for the meltdowns? Is he taking enough

> vitamin C to support chelation?

> Do not give candex and probiotics together. They should be 4 hours

> apart or the candex kills the probiotics. we don't see much

> difference if full or empty stomach. Just don't give zinc on empty

> stomach it makes people naueaus.

> Yes, lower the dose and make sure he is getting enough vites and

> minerals according to weight by Andy's list. these will help

support

> his body. Also, just to note..we do see regressions in between

> rounds. The key it to minimize it best you can with low dose, but

> you may not elminate it entirely. Also, watch the yeast, he may

need

> more than candex for chelation. Or more of it.

>

[Guest guest]

Andy had recomended adrenal cortex glandular for kids with adrenal

issues. We use this product successfully and found it essential to

chelation or my kids behavior was intolerable.

We use grapefruit seed extract for yeast. Some use caprylic acid. I

know there is a file in the files section for yeast treatments.

The nystatin is not good unless it's the powder. The liquid has

aluminum in it.

> >

> > In addition to a lower dose, check his supplements against the list

> > for chelation given by Andy. Is he on all the minerals and vitamins

> > that he should be?

> > Does he need adrenal support for the meltdowns? Is he taking enough

> > vitamin C to support chelation?

> > Do not give candex and probiotics together. They should be 4 hours

> > apart or the candex kills the probiotics. we don't see much

> > difference if full or empty stomach. Just don't give zinc on empty

> > stomach it makes people naueaus.

> > Yes, lower the dose and make sure he is getting enough vites and

> > minerals according to weight by Andy's list. these will help

> support

> > his body. Also, just to note..we do see regressions in between

> > rounds. The key it to minimize it best you can with low dose, but

> > you may not elminate it entirely. Also, watch the yeast, he may

> need

> > more than candex for chelation. Or more of it.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Blaire:

I'm coming into this a bit late so if my response has already been

addressed, please disregard:

Going on a yeast-free diet may help you in your efforts. That would include

removing carbs and sugars also known as the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

The yeast feed on the sugars which in turn create the craving, etc... These

links may help:

www.pecanbread.com

http://www.scdrecipe.com/index.html

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

in MD

[ ] Re: questions about supplements and behavior after

chelating

> Thanks Jan and and all who responded,

>

> It's nice to have a team of " gone-befores " out there.

>

> We were doing 12.5 mg DMSA (I know one of my posts said 25mg, my bad,

> tired I suppose) but now I've halfed even that. We had a really bad

> day today, the boy is just really quick to overreact majorly. I have

> him on all the suggested supps accd to Andy's lists, substituting

> sublingual mb-12 for the shots. Jan, what " more " can a person use

> for yeast than Candex? I know we used Nystatin before, but as that

> is a perscription I'm not sure I can talk the boy's ped into it.

> Also, specifically what is good for adrenal support, I think that

> this might be a big issue for us all possibly, especially with the

> explosive meltdowns. Sometimes we don't even see it coming, adrenal

> tax all over the place!

>

> Thanks again!

> Blaire

>

>

>>

>> In addition to a lower dose, check his supplements against the list

>> for chelation given by Andy. Is he on all the minerals and vitamins

>> that he should be?

>> Does he need adrenal support for the meltdowns? Is he taking enough

>> vitamin C to support chelation?

>> Do not give candex and probiotics together. They should be 4 hours

>> apart or the candex kills the probiotics. we don't see much

>> difference if full or empty stomach. Just don't give zinc on empty

>> stomach it makes people naueaus.

>> Yes, lower the dose and make sure he is getting enough vites and

>> minerals according to weight by Andy's list. these will help

> support

>> his body. Also, just to note..we do see regressions in between

>> rounds. The key it to minimize it best you can with low dose, but

>> you may not elminate it entirely. Also, watch the yeast, he may

> need

>> more than candex for chelation. Or more of it.

>>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>> Jan, what " more " can a person use

> > for yeast than Candex?

Look in the files section.

Andy