Re: OT: NT Hg toxic kid, questions on nail problems, teeth problems

[Guest guest]

Jan, this is a huge problem for my daughter too (ironically my son

with ASD has great teeth so far). I'm still trying to figure this

out myself but you might want to ask about this on the vitamin K

group, since fat soluble vitamins play a big role in dental health.

FWIW, things seem to be going better as her diet now has more butter,

raw milk, and CLO. Here's a link that explains why this might be so:

http://tinyurl.com/v8vo

....and here's a link to a flouride-free toothpaste that apparently

helps re-mineralize teeth. I'd like to try it soon.

http://www.oravive.com/index.php

Make sure your sealant doesn't have any bisphenol A in it, if you go

that route. Sealants would also make re-mineralization impossible.

best wishes sorting this out - wish me luck too! :-)

Rene

> And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in with

> flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> This time, here's is what we got

>

> SIX molars need filling,

[Guest guest]

I second the reccomendation to check over with the Vitamin K group. Vitamin

K2 has some awesome effects on the teeth. Weston A. Price used it (but he

called it Activator X and it was in the form of butter oil) along with Cod

Liver Oil to heal cavities.

I also wanted to point out that just because they're composite doesn't mean

they're compatible with her. Please consider purchasing a biocompatibility

blood test first. It isn't the cheapest test (mine was about $150), but I

came back as reactive to almost half of the composite materials out there

(in addition to all of the base metals), so it was worth it.

-Lana

> SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is soft.

> Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They want

> to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that can

> reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone else

> run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They couldn't

> figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six months

> despite such good hygeine.

> And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have trouble

> with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5 fillings

> in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

>

> __._

>

[Guest guest]

With the teeth, this is pretty much our story as well. Both my NT

and ASD sons get so many cavities despite great dental hygiene. They

have both done a lot of chelation with Andy's protocol as well. I

asked our (non-holistic but respectful) dentist what was going on.

He said that this is really common in kids now. I told him that I

never had a cavity until I was in college - and I didn't even floss.

My husband didn't have a cavity until after college. And shouldn't

our boys have similar genes and dental outcomes? When I was little,

my pediatric dentist did not heavily push flossing. Now they all

do. And the kids all are still getting cavities.

>

> Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with dmsa

> alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

>

> Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now she

> has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling away.

> This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of fungus??

>

> And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in with

> flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> This time, here's is what we got

>

> SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is soft.

> Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They want

> to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that can

> reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone else

> run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They couldn't

> figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

months

> despite such good hygeine.

> And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have trouble

> with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5 fillings

> in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

>

[Guest guest]

hi.. my son has very soft toe nails.. the baby toe feels soo loose that I hate

to clip it and I do.. very.. very carefully.. I dont' know why... Lia

mom114425 <JLJukoski@...> wrote: With the teeth, this is pretty

much our story as well. Both my NT

and ASD sons get so many cavities despite great dental hygiene. They

have both done a lot of chelation with Andy's protocol as well. I

asked our (non-holistic but respectful) dentist what was going on.

He said that this is really common in kids now. I told him that I

never had a cavity until I was in college - and I didn't even floss.

My husband didn't have a cavity until after college. And shouldn't

our boys have similar genes and dental outcomes? When I was little,

my pediatric dentist did not heavily push flossing. Now they all

do. And the kids all are still getting cavities.

>

> Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with dmsa

> alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

>

> Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now she

> has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling away.

> This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of fungus??

>

> And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in with

> flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> This time, here's is what we got

>

> SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is soft.

> Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They want

> to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that can

> reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone else

> run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They couldn't

> figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

months

> despite such good hygeine.

> And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have trouble

> with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5 fillings

> in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have read posts on this issue previously.

Seems that many youngsters have had lead replace calcium during the

laying down process of the teeth and bones and then along the way of

their childhood. Both these minerals have a 2+ charge on them, and

the body cannot differentiate between the minerals (whether good or

bad).

During chelation, the lead is being pulled, and unless the child

has been supplemented with lots of calcium/cofactors for absorption

(PLUS the child must be actually be absorbing these supplements

which means their gut must be functioning OK, protein adequate since

minerals absorption is dependent on this etc) then cavities

quickly develop.

na

> >

> > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

dmsa

> > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> >

> > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

she

> > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling away.

> > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

fungus??

> >

> > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

with

> > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> > This time, here's is what we got

> >

> > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

soft.

> > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

want

> > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

can

> > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

else

> > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

couldn't

> > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> months

> > despite such good hygeine.

> > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have trouble

> > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

fillings

> > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-I have been reading Weston Price, and what he is saying makes

complete sense. Our kids are nutrient deficient. Dental decay is

actually osteoporosis of the teeth. Since teeth are bones, just

outside bones...what is happening is that body is deficient in the

necessary things to make bone, or is in need of the nutrients in the

bone, and starts using it. Basically, taking calcium from the teeth

rather than the food. Most food we eat is so depleted in nutrients

compared to 50 years ago, even 30 years ago.

Even the organic stuff, has less vitamins and minerals that what our

ancestors ate. Because this tooth thing is only being seen in

civilized countries, not in countries that follow their ancestral

diet. I am going to get his book to read more on that diet. But

basically, it's a deficiency. I am going to attempt to correct this

in my kids. He mentiones raw whole milk (cow or goat), rich butter

from grass fed cows, CLO, Vit A, D, K and E...some other stuff I got

to go through. Just type his name in search page...

This makes sense, since 95% of mothers are calcium deficient before

they ever get pregnant. Our children are born that way, and our

diets dont' correct it. It is just hard to find food that is

actually whole, real, fresh.

-- In , " mom114425 " <JLJukoski@...>

wrote:

>

> With the teeth, this is pretty much our story as well. Both my NT

> and ASD sons get so many cavities despite great dental hygiene.

They

> have both done a lot of chelation with Andy's protocol as well. I

> asked our (non-holistic but respectful) dentist what was going

on.

> He said that this is really common in kids now. I told him that I

> never had a cavity until I was in college - and I didn't even

floss.

> My husband didn't have a cavity until after college. And

shouldn't

> our boys have similar genes and dental outcomes? When I was

little,

> my pediatric dentist did not heavily push flossing. Now they all

> do. And the kids all are still getting cavities.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

dmsa

> > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> >

> > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

she

> > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

away.

> > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

fungus??

> >

> > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

with

> > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> > This time, here's is what we got

> >

> > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

soft.

> > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

want

> > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

can

> > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

else

> > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

couldn't

> > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> months

> > despite such good hygeine.

> > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

trouble

> > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

fillings

> > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Really young kids have softer nails, like newborns, and infants.

However a preschooler should have regular ones. This is usually

mineral deficiency related. Make sure there is no nail fungus

causing his nails to be loose. They would look abnormal or yellow or

peel.

> >

> > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

dmsa

> > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> >

> > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

she

> > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

away.

> > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

fungus??

> >

> > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

with

> > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> > This time, here's is what we got

> >

> > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

soft.

> > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

want

> > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

can

> > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

else

> > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

couldn't

> > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> months

> > despite such good hygeine.

> > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

trouble

> > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

fillings

> > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

That would explain why my other chelating child had no cavities even

after 18 rounds. He is taking more vitamins. Being that she is

older, her lead absorption was probably more during the years of

growing those adult teeth. Great, now is we can only get the process

turned around. I know her teeth have a lot of flouride in them,

obvious signs of flouride. Which is no good.

Her gut is good, and protein intake is good. MORE VITAMINS and

MINERALS I say!! Thank you!!

> > >

> > > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

> dmsa

> > > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> > >

> > > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

> she

> > > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

away.

> > > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

> fungus??

> > >

> > > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

> with

> > > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were

watching.

> > > This time, here's is what we got

> > >

> > > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

> soft.

> > > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

> want

> > > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid

get

> > > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

> can

> > > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

> else

> > > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

> couldn't

> > > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> > months

> > > despite such good hygeine.

> > > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

trouble

> > > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

> fillings

> > > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are

her

> > > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Are you dealing with lead? Lead takes the place of calcium, so if you're

chelating out the lead it's coming ultimately from bones and teeth. I think

that's part of what's going on with me. I have always had horrible teeth. My

maternal grandparents and uncle all had false teeth in their 40s. I'm taking

vitamin K2 now to see if that helps. My hair test shows high calcium which may

mean my body is wasting it. My blood calcium in WNL but the body borrows in

order to keep the blood level WNL. K2 helps the body put/keep calcium where it

belongs. I also recently started using Spry toothpaste which is supposed to

help remineralize teeth. Hard to tell yet if it's helping. Some supplement

with calcium. Even though I'm both vegan and GF we eat lots of leafy greens so

I should be getting more than enough.

S S

>

> Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with dmsa

> alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

>

> Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now she

> has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling away.

> This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of fungus??

>

> And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in with

> flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> This time, here's is what we got

>

> SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is soft.

> Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They want

> to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that can

> reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone else

> run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They couldn't

> figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

months

> despite such good hygeine.

> And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have trouble

> with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5 fillings

> in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

>

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[Guest guest]

Or you can ask for material samples from the dentist and take them to an NAET

practitioner and have her tested for those materials. My biocompatibility

testing was done so long ago that most of those products are no longer used.

S S

I second the reccomendation to check over with the Vitamin K group.

Vitamin

K2 has some awesome effects on the teeth. Weston A. Price used it (but he

called it Activator X and it was in the form of butter oil) along with Cod

Liver Oil to heal cavities.

I also wanted to point out that just because they're composite doesn't mean

they're compatible with her. Please consider purchasing a biocompatibility

blood test first. It isn't the cheapest test (mine was about $150), but I

came back as reactive to almost half of the composite materials out there

(in addition to all of the base metals), so it was worth it.

-Lana

> SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is soft.

> Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They want

> to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that can

> reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone else

> run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They couldn't

> figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six months

> despite such good hygeine.

> And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have trouble

> with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5 fillings

> in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

>

> __._

>

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

for my son, his nails are very thick although it have not been a

source of worry for me but if you feel it is significant, please do

not hesitate to respond. What worries me though is that he has a

tooth growing inside ,behind the other front row of lower incissors.

i know it has to be removed but i do not know how to go about it,

cos am scared about the pain, anaesthesia and drug they might give

him.

Could anybody help me with suggestions, would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Doris from Nigeria.

> > >

> > > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

> dmsa

> > > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> > >

> > > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

> she

> > > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

> away.

> > > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

> fungus??

> > >

> > > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

> with

> > > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were

watching.

> > > This time, here's is what we got

> > >

> > > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

> soft.

> > > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

> want

> > > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid

get

> > > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

> can

> > > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

> else

> > > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

> couldn't

> > > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> > months

> > > despite such good hygeine.

> > > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

> trouble

> > > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

> fillings

> > > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are

her

> > > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OT: If Enamel from the Teeth " slouches off; this can be " A Defiency

of Vitamin C Ascorbic Acid(foudn in fruits and/or Supoplements.

Source: (Merck Vitamin Deficiencies Chpt.3;Vitamin C Ascorbic.

> > >

> > > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

> dmsa

> > > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> > >

> > > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

> she

> > > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

> away.

> > > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

> fungus??

> > >

> > > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

> with

> > > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were

watching.

> > > This time, here's is what we got

> > >

> > > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

> soft.

> > > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

> want

> > > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid

get

> > > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

> can

> > > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

> else

> > > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

> couldn't

> > > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> > months

> > > despite such good hygeine.

> > > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

> trouble

> > > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

> fillings

> > > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are

her

> > > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> It is just hard to find food that is

> actually whole, real, fresh.

Hi Jan

If you can find a local chapter of the Weston A. Price Foundation, they

should be able to help find local sources for good nutrient dense food.

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html

let us know how things go!

Rene

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Kirkman¹s tooth paste or Melaleuca¹s tooth polish(has tea

tree oil that fights bacteria while you sleep)?

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On 4/19/07 10:37 AM, " joshisims " <joshisims@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>> > It is just hard to find food that is

>> > actually whole, real, fresh.

>

> Hi Jan

>

> If you can find a local chapter of the Weston A. Price Foundation, they

> should be able to help find local sources for good nutrient dense food.

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html

>

> let us know how things go!

>

> Rene

>

>

>

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Hi Jan,

Just read the idea of using dairy products for calcium, only

precaution there is if the child has a sound, healed gut. Otherwise,

causes more trouble than it is worth - casein and lactose are

damaging to people with leaky gut issues.

Donna Gates has a great book (BEDROK diet) and she firmly believes

good dark green leafy as a source. She is also into using kefired

organic unpastuerised milk (IN A HEALED GUT), plus the use of

fermented vegetables from the very beginning (another way to get

readily digested/absorbed minerals and full of probiotics/good

yeasts). She is a US gal, and has a website people can go to (and a

group).

I used to use kefir grains to do young green coconut kefir, it

died, so have ordered Donna's starter to get back into it.

I've been reading " lots " in the past 12 months and her book would

have to be one of the best reads yet with good explanations of how

and WHY !!!

IMO, once healed, more of the Weston Price ideas may possibly be

implemented, for kids with autism/bad guts/ADD though, in the

healing stages, I'd err on caution on the use of the grains

irrespective of whether they have been fermented etc

na

> >

> > Hi,

> > I have read posts on this issue previously.

> >

> > Seems that many youngsters have had lead replace calcium during

> the

> > laying down process of the teeth and bones and then along the way

> of

> > their childhood. Both these minerals have a 2+ charge on them,

> and

> > the body cannot differentiate between the minerals (whether good

> or

> > bad).

> >

> > During chelation, the lead is being pulled, and unless the

child

> > has been supplemented with lots of calcium/cofactors for

> absorption

> > (PLUS the child must be actually be absorbing these supplements

> > which means their gut must be functioning OK, protein adequate

> since

> > minerals absorption is dependent on this etc) then cavities

> > quickly develop.

> >

> > na

> >

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She's on 1500 mg of C a day and has been for months. Not to mention

that kid can go through a bag of oranges in a few days. Very much

loves fruit.

> > > >

> > > > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7

with

> > dmsa

> > > > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> > > >

> > > > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And

now

> > she

> > > > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

> > away.

> > > > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

> > fungus??

> > > >

> > > > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came

in

> > with

> > > > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities

six

> > > > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were

> watching.

> > > > This time, here's is what we got

> > > >

> > > > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it

is

> > soft.

> > > > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the

molar

> > > > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity.

They

> > want

> > > > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > > > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid

> get

> > > > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything

that

> > can

> > > > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth?

Anyone

> > else

> > > > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was

no

> > > > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

> > couldn't

> > > > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in

six

> > > months

> > > > despite such good hygeine.

> > > > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

> > trouble

> > > > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

> > fillings

> > > > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are

> her

> > > > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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,

Her hair lead was low, but she is 11, so who knows what it was when

she was 3. Gee could dmsa be pulling flouride? Ha! Since I know that

with her flourosis...her teeth are made of that and calcium...just a

long shot. No seriously, I think she has always been deficient in

minerals... I think we are going to do the CLO and K and that

mineralizing paste too.

> >

> > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7 with

dmsa

> > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> >

> > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And now

she

> > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

away.

> > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

fungus??

> >

> > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came in

with

> > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities six

> > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were watching.

> > This time, here's is what we got

> >

> > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it is

soft.

> > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the molar

> > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity. They

want

> > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything that

can

> > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth? Anyone

else

> > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was no

> > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

couldn't

> > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in six

> months

> > despite such good hygeine.

> > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

trouble

> > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

fillings

> > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these are her

> > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> >

>

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See if there's a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) in your area.

S S

On 4/19/07 10:37 AM, " joshisims " <joshisims@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>> > It is just hard to find food that is

>> > actually whole, real, fresh.

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But chewable vitamin C eats the enamel off teeth, too.

S S

OT: If Enamel from the Teeth " slouches off; this can be " A Defiency

of Vitamin C Ascorbic Acid(foudn in fruits and/or Supoplements.

Source: (Merck Vitamin Deficiencies Chpt.3;Vitamin C Ascorbic.

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> Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on.

I use anti-virals [vitamin C, OLE, Virastop] and my plantar's warts

are gone now.

My father used vitamin E cream to eliminate his plantar's warts.

>>And now she

> has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling away.

> This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of fungus??

It might be. It can also be other things. Check these links

http://www.skinatlas.com/nails.htm

http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/nails.html

http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/03extr02.htm

At my house, too-thick nails, and conversely overall too-thin nails,

meant folic acid deficiency.

> Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a kid get

> that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly??

Chelation can cause this, especially if you are removing lead. Adding

calcium, magnesium, and vitamins D and K, can be helpful for proper

absorption of the calcium. Also, a general mineral supplement.

Dana

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(Computer was glitched so I was not online recently...anne in Conn.)

Yeah; however; a. Chewable Vit. C tabs are not usu. recommended for

this very reason. b. The type of enamel slouching from the Teeth due

to a Deficiency of Vit. C is not the same as just acid eating the

enamel. The slouching fo the enamel is due to lack of Collagen;

Collagen is a type of " cement used in bones and teeth; the tooth

enamel gets soft due to lack of collagen.

Point is good tho'; I would recommend the powder or for children

there are pretty good Effervescents; like " Emergency-C. I do not know

if Emergency-C has natural or artificial flavors; made for children.

Did you know a lack of Vitamin C can acutally cause Rhematoid

Arthritis? this is because a lack of Vitamin C causes " minor

hmmorages at the joints of the bones; treatable with Vitamin C.

If not treated with Vitamin; this Scurvy is misdiagnosed as Athritis!

I did not even know Vitamin C was a component of Bone-Health until I

read it in the Merck ; America's oldest Medical Textbook .

They update the Mnauels every year; and every year they mention

Vitamins less and less.

I hope I do not one day read the Merck manuel and no mention of

Vitamins will be in it; or even sillier; vitamins are " dangerous. A.

Not sure if

>

> OT: If Enamel from the Teeth " slouches off; this can

be " A Defiency

> of Vitamin C Ascorbic Acid(foudn in fruits and/or Supoplements.

>

> Source: (Merck Vitamin Deficiencies Chpt.3;Vitamin C

Ascorbic.

>

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Actually; I was just making a general Nutritional trivia statement

that soft teeth MAY be A Vitamin C deficieny; amongst other Nutrients

such as: " Calcium; Boron; Vitamin D (The Barge for Calcium);etc.

Also concerning the Enamel hardening up with Vitamin C; Calcium and

other Essential and trace minerals; this could take up to 3 years of

continual Vitamin C use with the added Calcium. Notice: If she ever

gets a rash on her hands arms or face after eating Oranges; this can

be due to Acidosis; an overload of Citric Acid! I had it myself when

I used to eat bags of Tangerines; Dr. diagnosed me with Rash;Acidosis.

Based on the following true statement: 90% OF OUR CALCIUM IS STORED

IN OUR BONES AND TEETH AND IS USED TO REAPIR AN DREPLENISH TEETH AND

BONES. So the best I can think of is : Increase her Calcium. Truth

is: Vit. C and Calcium are two of the safest Nutrients known; safe to

use in high doses over time. Vit. K hardens Teeth; so incresse her

intake of Leafy Greens. Vitamin B-Folic keeps gums hard; not soft. A.

, " Jan " <paxlforme@...> wrote:

>

> She's on 1500 mg of C a day and has been for months. Not to mention

> that kid can go through a bag of oranges in a few days. Very much

> loves fruit.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7

> with

> > > dmsa

> > > > > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And

> now

> > > she

> > > > > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

> > > away.

> > > > > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

> > > fungus??

> > > > >

> > > > > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came

> in

> > > with

> > > > > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities

> six

> > > > > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were

> > watching.

> > > > > This time, here's is what we got

> > > > >

> > > > > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it

> is

> > > soft.

> > > > > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the

> molar

> > > > > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity.

> They

> > > want

> > > > > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > > > > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a

kid

> > get

> > > > > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything

> that

> > > can

> > > > > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth?

> Anyone

> > > else

> > > > > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was

> no

> > > > > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

> > > couldn't

> > > > > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in

> six

> > > > months

> > > > > despite such good hygeine.

> > > > > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

> > > trouble

> > > > > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

> > > fillings

> > > > > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these

are

> > her

> > > > > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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ps Do not stop the Vitamin C; on the contrary; Add the Calcium; must

have Vit. D to be effective; Vit. D found in CLO and Sunshine and in

cooked Eggs (the Yolks); which also has Vit. A as Cod-liver Oil does.

I would recommend using Baking Soda insteaad of commerical toothpaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ok my 11 year NT Hg kid has done 9 rounds of chelation.7

> with

> > > dmsa

> > > > > alone and 2 with dmsa/ala. (12.5mg each)

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyhoo...she has issues with plantar warts off and on. And

> now

> > > she

> > > > > has gotten this " hole " in her fingernail..like it's peeling

> > > away.

> > > > > This is close to the cuticule. I am guessing some kind of

> > > fungus??

> > > > >

> > > > > And we went to the dentist..holy geez..her adult teeth came

> in

> > > with

> > > > > flourosis. No new news there. However, she had no cavities

> six

> > > > > months ago. Just one spot between two molars they were

> > watching.

> > > > > This time, here's is what we got

> > > > >

> > > > > SIX molars need filling, and one needs a sealant because it

> is

> > > soft.

> > > > > Five of the fillings are just shallow, soft spots on the

> molar

> > > > > (chewing surfaces), the sixth one is definitely a cavity.

> They

> > > want

> > > > > to fill the other five before they become something bigger.

> > > > > Mind you all will be composite. But...how the heck can a

kid

> > get

> > > > > that many soft spots on the enamel so quickly?? Anything

> that

> > > can

> > > > > reverse this, or help rebuild, repair enamel on teeth?

> Anyone

> > > else

> > > > > run into this problem. Her hygeine is impeccable! There was

> no

> > > > > plague, no tartar, she flosses everyday and brushes. They

> > > couldn't

> > > > > figure out how her teeth took such a turn in condition in

> six

> > > > months

> > > > > despite such good hygeine.

> > > > > And no we don't drink pop. Sugar is limited. She did have

> > > trouble

> > > > > with cavities in baby teeth. She ended up with like 4 or 5

> > > fillings

> > > > > in her baby teeth. Those have since fallen out..so these

are

> > her

> > > > > adult molars. I am pee-oed! Any suggestions?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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The acid in oranges, lemons, chewable vit C, etc, if left on the teeth for any

length of time eats the enamel.

S S

> > >

> > > -I have been reading Weston Price, and what he is saying makes

> > > complete sense. Our kids are nutrient deficient. Dental decay

is

> > > actually osteoporosis of the teeth. Since teeth are bones, just

> > > outside bones...what is happening is that body is deficient in

> the

> > > necessary things to make bone, or is in need of the nutrients

in

> > the

> > > bone, and starts using it. Basically, taking calcium from the

> teeth

> > > rather than the food. Most food we eat is so depleted in

> nutrients

> > > compared to 50 years ago, even 30 years ago.

> > > Even the organic stuff, has less vitamins and minerals that

what

> > our

> > > ancestors ate. Because this tooth thing is only being seen in

> > > civilized countries, not in countries that follow their

> ancestral

> > > diet.

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Emergen-C contains ALA so not recommended for mercury or arsenic-toxic folks

because of half-life of ALA.

S S

(Computer was glitched so I was not online recently...anne in Conn.)

Yeah; however; a. Chewable Vit. C tabs are not usu. recommended for

this very reason. b. The type of enamel slouching from the Teeth due

to a Deficiency of Vit. C is not the same as just acid eating the

enamel. The slouching fo the enamel is due to lack of Collagen;

Collagen is a type of " cement used in bones and teeth; the tooth

enamel gets soft due to lack of collagen.

Point is good tho'; I would recommend the powder or for children

there are pretty good Effervescents; like " Emergency-C. I do not know

if Emergency-C has natural or artificial flavors; made for children.

Did you know a lack of Vitamin C can acutally cause Rhematoid

Arthritis? this is because a lack of Vitamin C causes " minor

hmmorages at the joints of the bones; treatable with Vitamin C.

If not treated with Vitamin; this Scurvy is misdiagnosed as Athritis!

I did not even know Vitamin C was a component of Bone-Health until I

read it in the Merck ; America's oldest Medical Textbook .

They update the Mnauels every year; and every year they mention

Vitamins less and less.

I hope I do not one day read the Merck manuel and no mention of

Vitamins will be in it; or even sillier; vitamins are " dangerous. A.

Not sure if

>

>

> But chewable vitamin C eats the enamel off teeth, too.

> S S

>

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