Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Most people on this group use Andy's protocol. Andy's protocol is safer than the DAN! protocol. Doses are lower. Frequency is higher. Side-effects are greatly reduced and sometimes eliminated with Andy's chelation protocol. Try it. You'll like it! :-) --- vicky <vicky88shi@...> wrote: > Hi I´m new here. > My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism > diagnose. > > Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF > diet.We now want > to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she > took a DMSA > challenge test that shows excretion of lead and > mercury in the > urine. The doctor recommended that she should start > to chelate heavy > metals according to the DAN protocol. > I got DMSA for 6 treatment cycles. 250 mg per > capsule 3 times per > day, 3 days on 11 days off. > > Other parents suggested me to begin Andy´s protocol > instead, but > another doctor told me that Andy´s protocol can > cause more yeast > problems. > > What is your opinion on this matter? > Which protocol should I choose? > What are the pros and cons for the different > protocols? > How have your children reacted to chelation? > > I hope I can get some help here from you. > > Thank you. > > Vicky > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. http://videogames./platform?platform=120121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 HI Vicky, Welcome to the list. I'm an adult (about 125 lbs) who has been chelating for a number of years. I would never use that high a dose for myself let alone for a child. How much does your caughter weigh? If she has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings, get some empty capsules at your health food store and divide them so that you're giving her 1/8-1/2 mg/lb every 4 hours day and night. FWIW you can buy DMSA without a doctor's prescription. Many on this list are chelating without doctors because they can find doctors who understand proper, safe chelation. Have you done a DDI hair test and applied counting rules? I presume your daugher has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings?! If she has any, those will need to be removed by a mercury-free dentist following proper protocol before you can safely chelate her. S S vicky88shi (DOT) <wbr>se</a>> wrote:<br> <br> > Hi I´m new here. <br> > My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism<br> > diagnose.<br> > <br> > Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF<br> > diet.We now want <br> > to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she<br> > took a DMSA <br> > challenge test that shows excretion of lead and<br> > mercury in the <br> > urine. 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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 We've done both and are sticking with Andy's protocol. Our son has severe yeast problems but I don't think one protocol effected it any differently than the other. Sissy [ ] Andy´s protocol versus DAN protocol Hi I´m new here. My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism diagnose. Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF diet.We now want to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she took a DMSA challenge test that shows excretion of lead and mercury in the urine. The doctor recommended that she should start to chelate heavy metals according to the DAN protocol. I got DMSA for 6 treatment cycles. 250 mg per capsule 3 times per day, 3 days on 11 days off. Other parents suggested me to begin Andy´s protocol instead, but another doctor told me that Andy´s protocol can cause more yeast problems. What is your opinion on this matter? Which protocol should I choose? What are the pros and cons for the different protocols? How have your children reacted to chelation? I hope I can get some help here from you. Thank you. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 My understanding is that the mercury leaving the body increases the yeast. S S <p>We've done both and are sticking with Andy's protocol. Our son has severe yeast problems but I don't think one protocol effected it any differently than the other.<br> <br> Sissy<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hi Vicky, welcome to the list ! Alto I am sure your DAN! Doctor means well, he doesn’t chelate very well/safely. HOLY COW! 250mg … 3 times per day ! … I wouldn’t take that much if you held a gun to my head ! Apparently your DAN! doesn’t have much experience with properly treating/controlling yeast either because from what I have read from other parents who have posted, the yeast beast will be there no matter what protocol you use. My opinion ? Go with Andy’s protocol, it is the most effective method and has the least risk for your child PLUS you are much less likely to have the horrible negative reactions from dosing at such infrequent intervals and at crazy high doses. You can give lots and lots of chelator, but the body can only process out so much at a time …. Hmmm what happens to the excess ? Our son has done fantastic on the AC protocol, no regrets except that I wish we had started months earlier. I hope I was of some help ! Good Luck ! Neil _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of vicky Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: [ ] Andy´s protocol versus DAN protocol Hi I´m new here. My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism diagnose. Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF diet.We now want to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she took a DMSA challenge test that shows excretion of lead and mercury in the urine. The doctor recommended that she should start to chelate heavy metals according to the DAN protocol. I got DMSA for 6 treatment cycles. 250 mg per capsule 3 times per day, 3 days on 11 days off. Other parents suggested me to begin Andy´s protocol instead, but another doctor told me that Andy´s protocol can cause more yeast problems. What is your opinion on this matter? Which protocol should I choose? What are the pros and cons for the different protocols? How have your children reacted to chelation? I hope I can get some help here from you. Thank you. Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Thank you for all of your answers and opinions. I think I will begin with Andy's protocol. My daughter has no mercury amalgam. Last year she did a hair test by Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab. Test result shows " No mercury " . In August 2006 she did a porphyrin test and got result as below: Uroporphyrins I & III (UP) 26 nmol (7-14) Heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) 5 nmol (1,5-3,5) Hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP)0,7nmol (0,4-0,8) Pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) 5 nmol (1,0-2,9) Precoporphyrin (prCP) 19 nmol (2-5) Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) 259 nmol (50-80) My DAN! Doctor has no experience of chelation and could not help me to begin it. He only recommended GF/CF diet and some supplements. Last month we met another DAN! doctor in a foreign country. He ordered a DMSA challenge test from DDI for My daughter (200 mg DMSA and collected 8 hours urine). The result showed that lead was 8.1, mercury was 7,4. This doctor can help me with chelation but he only wants to use DAN protocol. My daughter is 32 Kg. According to Andy's protocol I should give her 8 mg DMSA in the beginning, 6~8 times/day. But VRP only has 100mg DMSA. Where can I buy Small Dose DMSA without a doctor's prescription? A DAN! Doctor recommended Glutathione to my daughter. He said Glutathione has all effect which B12, B6 have. Is it true? Do you have any opinion of Glutathione? Thank you. Vicky > > Hi I´m new here. > My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism diagnose. > > Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF diet.We now want > to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she took a DMSA > challenge test that shows excretion of lead and mercury in the > urine. The doctor recommended that she should start to chelate heavy > metals according to the DAN protocol. > I got DMSA for 6 treatment cycles. 250 mg per capsule 3 times per > day, 3 days on 11 days off. > > Other parents suggested me to begin Andy´s protocol instead, but > another doctor told me that Andy´s protocol can cause more yeast > problems. > > What is your opinion on this matter? > Which protocol should I choose? > What are the pros and cons for the different protocols? > How have your children reacted to chelation? > > I hope I can get some help here from you. > > Thank you. > > Vicky > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 -Vicky, VRP also sells DMSA in 25mg capsules. Which I use for my kids. We open them and divide them up. I did notice that the 100mg capsules only contain 65mg of succinate anyway...Makes me wonder exactly how much chelator you really get when you divide those up. And VRP is without a doctor..you order them yourself. Glutathione is not much use. Just give her the actual B vitamins instead. I commend you on going with Andy's protocol. A lot of DAN! protocols are not safe. Like the challenge test they did. -- In , " vicky " <vicky88shi@...> wrote: > > Thank you for all of your answers and opinions. I think I will begin > with Andy's protocol. > > My daughter has no mercury amalgam. Last year she did a hair test by > Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab. Test result shows " No mercury " . In > August 2006 she did a porphyrin test and got result as below: > Uroporphyrins I & III (UP) 26 nmol (7-14) > Heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) 5 nmol (1,5-3,5) > Hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP)0,7nmol (0,4-0,8) > Pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) 5 nmol (1,0-2,9) > Precoporphyrin (prCP) 19 nmol (2-5) > Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) 259 nmol (50-80) > > My DAN! Doctor has no experience of chelation and could not help me > to begin it. He only recommended GF/CF diet and some supplements. > Last month we met another DAN! doctor in a foreign country. He > ordered a DMSA challenge test from DDI for My daughter (200 mg DMSA > and collected 8 hours urine). The result showed that lead was 8.1, > mercury was 7,4. This doctor can help me with chelation but he only > wants to use DAN protocol. > > My daughter is 32 Kg. According to Andy's protocol I should give her > 8 mg DMSA in the beginning, 6~8 times/day. But VRP only has 100mg > DMSA. Where can I buy Small Dose DMSA without a doctor's > prescription? > > A DAN! Doctor recommended Glutathione to my daughter. He said > Glutathione has all effect which B12, B6 have. Is it true? Do you > have any opinion of Glutathione? > > Thank you. > > > Vicky > > > > > > > > > > > Hi I´m new here. > > My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism diagnose. > > > > Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF diet.We now > want > > to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she took a DMSA > > challenge test that shows excretion of lead and mercury in the > > urine. The doctor recommended that she should start to chelate > heavy > > metals according to the DAN protocol. > > I got DMSA for 6 treatment cycles. 250 mg per capsule 3 times per > > day, 3 days on 11 days off. > > > > Other parents suggested me to begin Andy´s protocol instead, but > > another doctor told me that Andy´s protocol can cause more yeast > > problems. > > > > What is your opinion on this matter? > > Which protocol should I choose? > > What are the pros and cons for the different protocols? > > How have your children reacted to chelation? > > > > I hope I can get some help here from you. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Vicky > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Were her essentials (calcium magnesium, sodium, copper, etc) " messed up " on the hair test? VRP also sells 25 mg DMSA. You can buy empty capsules at most health food stores. Andy recommends against using glutathione. Many on this list chelate on their own without a DAN! doc since the DAN! docs recommend unsafe and potentially harmful protocols. Some continuye to see a DAN! doc but use Andy's protocol, not telling the doc. S S <p>Thank you for all of your answers and opinions. I think I will begin <br> with Andy's protocol.<br> <br> My daughter has no mercury amalgam. Last year she did a hair test by <br> Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab. Test result shows " No mercury " . In <br> August 2006 she did a porphyrin test and got result as below:<br> Uroporphyrins I & III (UP) 26 nmol (7-14) <br> Heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) 5 nmol (1,5-3,5) <br> Hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP)0,7nmol (0,4-0,8) <br> Pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) 5 nmol (1,0-2,9) <br> Precoporphyrin (prCP) 19 nmol (2-5) <br> Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) 259 nmol (50-80) <br> <br> My DAN! Doctor has no experience of chelation and could not help me <br> to begin it. He only recommended GF/CF diet and some supplements. <br> Last month we met another DAN! doctor in a foreign country. He <br> ordered a DMSA challenge test from DDI for My daughter (200 mg DMSA <br> and collected 8 hours urine). The result showed that lead was 8.1, <br> mercury was 7,4. This doctor can help me with chelation but he only <br> wants to use DAN protocol.<br> <br> My daughter is 32 Kg. According to Andy's protocol I should give her <br> 8 mg DMSA in the beginning, 6~8 times/day. But VRP only has 100mg <br> DMSA. Where can I buy Small Dose DMSA without a doctor's <br> prescription? <br> <br> A DAN! Doctor recommended Glutathione to my daughter. He said <br> Glutathione has all effect which B12, B6 have. Is it true? Do you <br> have any opinion of Glutathione?<br> <br> Thank you.<br> <br> Vicky<br> <br> <br> ><br> > Hi I´m new here. <br> > My daughter is 9 years old and has an autism diagnose.<br> > <br> > Since one year we have put my daughter on the GF/CF diet.We now <br> want <br> > to start other biomedical treatments. Last month she took a DMSA <br> > challenge test that shows excretion of lead and mercury in the <br> > urine. The doctor recommended that she should start to chelate <br> heavy <br> > metals according to the DAN protocol.<br> > I got DMSA for 6 treatment cycles. 250 mg per capsule 3 times per <br> > day, 3 days on 11 days off. <br> > <br> > Other parents suggested me to begin Andy´s protocol instead, but <br> > another doctor told me that Andy´s protocol can cause more yeast <br> > problems.<br> > <br> > What is your opinion on this matter?<br> > Which protocol should I choose?<br> > What are the pros and cons for the different protocols?<br> > How have your children reacted to chelation?<br> > <br> > I hope I can get some help here from you.<br> > <br> > Thank you.<br> > <br> > Vicky<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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