Re: other causes of mineral transport derangement

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In a message dated 7/5/2007 11:01:49 AM Central Daylight Time,

paxlforme@... writes:

> No, there is no host of reasons. As Andy has said in his book, the

> ONLY metal that causes deranged mineral transport if mercury. This

> does not happen no matter how much Lead or cadmium you ingest. Only

> mercury does this

OK. That's good to know but it only answers half the question. So we know

that mercury is the only heavy metal to cause derangement but what about

nutritional and dietary factors? Our kids so commonly eat the same few items.

Could

that cause the mineral levels to be horribly skewed and deranged?

Kristi in Alabama

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No, there is no host of reasons. As Andy has said in his book, the

ONLY metal that causes deranged mineral transport if mercury. This

does not happen no matter how much Lead or cadmium you ingest. Only

mercury does this, just as it is also noted to be the only metal

that causes adrenal fatigue. If he is majoring in this stuff, have

him read Andy's book. It explains chemistry in relation to mercury

and it's effects on the body.

Basically, if a hair test has deranged minerals...there is no other

explanation but mercury.

>

> Hi you guys, I was at my nephews house this 4th of July who is a

pre-med

> Junior in college and I was explaining to him about mercury

poisoning and how to

> check for it using a hair test. When I told him it was acutally

diagnosed by

> mineral transport derangement he said " but couldn't there be a

host of reasons,

> however, that minerals would be deranged beside mercury? " I

thought that was

> a good question. Any thoughts?

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In a message dated 7/5/2007 5:56:23 PM Central Daylight Time,

robertbloch@... writes:

> Do you really mean to ask if it's possible to undo the effects of

> mercury toxicity by tweaking the diet around?

>

No, that is not what I am asking at all. What I am asking is....are there

other things besides mercury that could cause minerals to be deranged. In other

words couldn't even dietary habits contribute to our mineral counts being high

or low. and since some of our kids eat such limited diets ....many eating

just the same few foods over and over, can we really expect their mineral counts

to be normal?

Kristi in Alabama

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>

> In a message dated 7/5/2007 11:01:49 AM Central Daylight Time,

> paxlforme@... writes:

>

> > No, there is no host of reasons. As Andy has said in his book, the

> > ONLY metal that causes deranged mineral transport if mercury. This

> > does not happen no matter how much Lead or cadmium you ingest. Only

> > mercury does this

>

> OK. That's good to know but it only answers half the question. So

we know

> that mercury is the only heavy metal to cause derangement but what

about

> nutritional and dietary factors? Our kids so commonly eat the same

few items. Could

> that cause the mineral levels to be horribly skewed and deranged?

Mercury is the only thing known to cause deranged mineral transport.

Maybe there is something else, but noone has shown it yet.

I find it helpful to go back and read the basics from time to time:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#counting_rules

The other important fact is that people who have hair tests with

deranged mineral transport get better when they chelate. This is

explained and demonstrated in the HTI book:

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

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>

> OK. That's good to know but it only answers half the question. So we

know

> that mercury is the only heavy metal to cause derangement but what

about

> nutritional and dietary factors? Our kids so commonly eat the same

few items. Could

> that cause the mineral levels to be horribly skewed and deranged?

>

> Kristi in Alabama

Do you really mean to ask if it's possible to undo the effects of

mercury toxicity by tweaking the diet around?

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In other

> words couldn't even dietary habits contribute to our mineral counts

being high

> or low.

High and low figures on hair results mean different things. However, I

think deranged mineral transport relates pretty specifically to mercury

toxic people.

and since some of our kids eat such limited diets ....many eating

> just the same few foods over and over, can we really expect their

mineral counts

> to be normal?

Absolutely. Listen, if funky diets cause deranged mineral transport 80

to 90% of all American kids would show it. Do they? No.

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In a message dated 7/6/2007 10:47:20 AM Central Daylight Time,

_Shepard@... writes:

> Consider reading Andy's Hair Test Interpreting book. If you're not

> interesting in buying it, ask your local library to order it.

> S S

>

>

I bought it and I'm 1/2 way through it. Either I missed it or haven't gotten

to the explanation for that question yet.

Thanks.

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Defunked diets just cause deficiency which is not the same thing as

deranged mineral transport.

>

> In other

> > words couldn't even dietary habits contribute to our mineral

counts

> being high

> > or low.

>

> High and low figures on hair results mean different things.

However, I

> think deranged mineral transport relates pretty specifically to

mercury

> toxic people.

>

>

> and since some of our kids eat such limited diets ....many eating

> > just the same few foods over and over, can we really expect

their

> mineral counts

> > to be normal?

>

> Absolutely. Listen, if funky diets cause deranged mineral

transport 80

> to 90% of all American kids would show it. Do they? No.

>

[Guest guest]

Is it just Andy that says only mercury can cause mineral transport

derangement, or does this info come from other sources as well? Has Andy

ever explained how he arrived at that conclusion?

Thanks,

Dean

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Consider reading Andy's Hair Test Interpreting book. If you're not interesting

in buying it, ask your local library to order it.

S S

> OK. That's good to know but it only answers half the question. So<br>

we know <br>

> that mercury is the only heavy metal to cause derangement but what<br>

about <br>

> nutritional and dietary factors? Our kids so commonly eat the same<br>

few items. Could <br>

> that cause the mineral levels to be horribly skewed and deranged?<br>

<br>

Mercury is the only thing known to cause deranged mineral transport. <br>

Maybe there is something else, but noone has shown it yet. <br>

<br>

I find it helpful to go back and read the basics from time to time:<br>

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ounting_<wbr>rules</a><br>

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The other important fact is that people who have hair tests with <br>

deranged mineral transport get better when they chelate. This is <br>

explained and demonstrated in the HTI book:<br>

<br>

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href= " http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html " >http://www.noamalga<wbr>m.com/\

hairtestbo<wbr>ok.html</a><br>

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Hi ,

Do you have reasons to believe that your child(ren) have not been exposed to

mercury? Have you posted their hair tests? What are the foods that they do

eat? Are you giving any supplements? Which ones?

S S

> OK. That's good to know but it only answers half the question. So<br>

we know <br>

> that mercury is the only heavy metal to cause derangement but what<br>

about <br>

> nutritional and dietary factors? Our kids so commonly eat the same<br>

few items. Could <br>

> that cause the mineral levels to be horribly skewed and deranged?<br>

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Hair Test Interpretation pages 14, 124,101,105,106,109,6,111,117 are

all in reference to deranged minerals.

As per his words: " The fact that mercury causes deranged mineral

transport appears to not be widely known in the medical community,

leading some doctors (both alternative and mainstream) to veiw the

hair elements test as unreliable. "

Basically, it's not common knowlege unless you had a lot of

chemistry studies in which you would learn it.

As I understood in his books, most doctors take very little in the

way of chemistry classes in college, so they don't have much

knowledge of chemistry or how it plays into body function.

Page 8 is a chapter on how mineral transport works, which helps to

understand how it would be disrupted by mercury. The only other

thing he notes that would cause disturbances in mineral transport

are pregnancy and lactation. This would show up as an all low

presentation of essential elements. Genetic or chromosomal defects

can affect mineral transport to some effect, but usually do not.

So the only way you could expect to find transport derangement is in

a pregnant woman, or nursing woman, or mercury toxic person. Or

someone with a very rare genetic condition..of which you would know

they had already due to other problems.

He also cites many old medical reference books throughout his books

that you could check out at the library if you were interested in

the chemistry.

>

> In a message dated 7/6/2007 10:47:20 AM Central Daylight Time,

> _Shepard@... writes:

>

> > Consider reading Andy's Hair Test Interpreting book. If you're

not

> > interesting in buying it, ask your local library to order it.

> > S S

> >

> >

>

> I bought it and I'm 1/2 way through it. Either I missed it or

haven't gotten

> to the explanation for that question yet.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

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> http://www.aol.com.

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>

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before finding this list, I researched " possible " causes alot, incld'g

mercury...starting with tox fact sheets - by following ideas & facts &

I don't even remember now - glutathione was one of the first " aha "

items....soooo, anyway, everything Andy says, (so far), just confirms

anything I have come up with on my own....(can we say possible " andy

groupie?!! " lol.)....recently reminded of a site I did like when first

gathering info -- and appears, at first " reacquainting " glance, that

they are thinking along the same path as most people here, for the most

part.

www.drlwilson.com

and Andy has explained mineral derangement alot - unfortunately, most

of it is waaay beyond me, esp. the formulas & such....Moria's site is

best when looking for " confirmation of information " type stuff, imo.

hope you find your answers,

elizabeth

>

> Is it just Andy that says only mercury can cause mineral transport

> derangement, or does this info come from other sources as well? Has

Andy

> ever explained how he arrived at that conclusion?

>

> Thanks,

> Dean

>

>

>

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> As I understood in his books, most doctors take very little in the

> way of chemistry classes in college,

Freshman chemistry, special organic chemistry classes (special so they can pass)

that the

chemistry department won't let chemistry majors count for credit, and a biology

class and

a physics class. That is the sum total of requirements. Oh, yeah, and a great

GPA, which is

far easier to get in liberal arts and social sciences than if you load up on

technical classes,

especially the real ones that majors in the subject are allowed to count for

credit.

Andy

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From: andrewhallcutler

> As I understood in his books, most doctors take very little in the

> way of chemistry classes in college,

Freshman chemistry, special organic chemistry classes (special so they can

pass) that the

chemistry department won't let chemistry majors count for credit,

==>This would be the one that I am personally familiar with. I called it

" Chemistry for stupid people. " Self-referencing. And we all should be afraid.

and a biology class and

a physics class. That is the sum total of requirements. Oh, yeah, and a great

GPA, which is

far easier to get in liberal arts and social sciences than if you load up on

technical classes,

especially the real ones that majors in the subject are allowed to count for

credit.

Andy

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----- Original Message -----

From: andrewhallcutler

Oh, yeah, and a great GPA, which is

far easier to get in liberal arts and social sciences than if you load up on

technical classes,

especially the real ones that majors in the subject are allowed to count for

credit.

==>Also true, the theory behind the liberal arts ed. are to give you a little

knowledge in a lot of areas and that's exactly what you get when you dictate

people who are not science majors take classes like; Special Organic Chemistry

or Weather, not to mention Severe Weather and Bowling. They have a cure for

that, however, it's called Graduate School where you learn even less about

useful things like how to actually treat the actual patient and how to get your

money out of the insurance companies so you can continue to treat patients.

Andy

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>

> Freshman chemistry, special organic chemistry classes (special so they can

pass) that

the

> chemistry department won't let chemistry majors count for credit, and a

biology class

and

> a physics class. That is the sum total of requirements. Oh, yeah, and a great

GPA, which

is

> far easier to get in liberal arts and social sciences than if you load up on

technical

classes,

> especially the real ones that majors in the subject are allowed to count for

credit.

>

> Andy

Ouch! I resemble that remark. I went to a " very good " liberal arts college in

the Midwest

and took lots of math, chemistry, and geology---got A's and B's. You'd never

know it. I

am soooo ignorant, and lack *real understanding*.....it's embarrassing (and it

was very

expensive!).

in Illinois

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At one time, maybe still, competition to get into medical school was so

keen that many premed students took the same chem, physics and math

courses that the majors did, in order to have a competitive advantage.

Personally, I took the 'major' track for general chem, quantitative

analysis and organic; I took the biology version of physical chem. It

is useful to keep in mind, also, that many students enter medical school

as a second career path. I served my residency with a fellow who had

been a chemical engineer and pharmaceutical chemist (with a PhD) prior

to going to medical school, and in the small town where I live are at

least three doctors who were engineers first (one petroleum, one

mechanical, one EE), and a few who were pharmacists before going to

medical school. While it is true that medical schools look for

'well-rounded' candidates, to suggest that there are no MDs grounded in

scientific rigor is a decided overstatement.

Jim

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Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:12 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: other causes of mineral transport

derangement

> As I understood in his books, most doctors take very little in the

> way of chemistry classes in college,

Freshman chemistry, special organic chemistry classes (special so they

can pass) that the

chemistry department won't let chemistry majors count for credit, and a

biology class and

a physics class. That is the sum total of requirements. Oh, yeah, and a

great GPA, which is

far easier to get in liberal arts and social sciences than if you load

up on technical classes,

especially the real ones that majors in the subject are allowed to count

for credit.

Andy

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