Re: Dosing multivits/mins WITH the dmsa ?

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In a message dated 05/07/2007 14:05:13 GMT Standard Time,

edwarddhliu@... writes:

DMSA chelate with zinc. Mixing them isn't good.

>>Jim shows that it doesn't. We give minerals with DMSA without any

issues

Mandi in UK

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> We give our boy dmsa in a bottle of c/f milk (yuck) together with vits

> and mins.

> Anyone see a prob with this??

> The multivits are selenium, zinc, molybdenum, and vit c.

> thanks

DMSA chelate with zinc. Mixing them isn't good.

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While Andy says it doesn't matter, I can personally attest that dmsa

does lower my zinc levels in some way. Whether by directly removing

it or by causing my body to use more of it. I get clear symptoms

that are corrected by taking zinc, these symptoms get worse on dmsa

if I don't take the zinc. I give minerals separately from the dmsa.

Ex: We give zinc before bed, vites and minerals are dose four times

a day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, bedtime. We just give the dmsa on

the four hours. But not in the same swallow. Try to space them out a

bit. if you know you child will need dmsa at 8pm before bed, then

give him the zinc earlier.

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> > We give our boy dmsa in a bottle of c/f milk (yuck) together

with vits

> > and mins.

> > Anyone see a prob with this??

> > The multivits are selenium, zinc, molybdenum, and vit c.

> > thanks

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> DMSA chelate with zinc. Mixing them isn't good.

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We give " extra " zinc. Dmsa does pull zinc, here, and it would be

dangerous for us not to supplement it while chelating. Zinc is

necessary to keep neutrophils, a kind of white blood cell, high.

Neutrophils fight yeast.

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> In a message dated 05/07/2007 14:05:13 GMT Standard Time,

> edwarddhliu@... writes:

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> DMSA chelate with zinc. Mixing them isn't good.

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> >>Jim shows that it doesn't. We give minerals with DMSA

without any

> issues

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> Mandi in UK

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[Guest guest]

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> We give our boy dmsa in a bottle of c/f milk (yuck) together with vits

> and mins.

> Anyone see a prob with this??

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> The multivits are selenium, zinc, molybdenum, and vit c.

I don't see any problem with taking the minerals with milk.

I would be worried about giving the DMSA that way unless he

drinks it down pretty fast. If he is slowly drinking the milk ip`6]iop

pei

> thanks

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> We give our boy dmsa in a bottle of c/f milk (yuck) together with vits

> and mins.

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> Anyone see a prob with this??

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> The multivits are selenium, zinc, molybdenum, and vit c.

Please pardon the previous reply - now I have a keyboard that works...

Fine to give vitamins and minerals with milk.

DMSA can go bad. Andy has said it is okay to give a dose with

food or drink, but I think the idea is to take it in one bite

or gulp (fairly quickly) before the DMSA has a chance to oxidize.

So if he drinks it all at once, I think it would be okay. If he

drinks the milk slowly during the course of a meal, the potency

of the DMSA might be lost. I don't know how long it takes.

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> thanks

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In a message dated 06/07/2007 09:59:23 GMT Standard Time,

oneill_liam@... writes:

I reckon it may be better to keep minerals and DMSA separate by a

few hours.

>>Why would it make any difference if the DMSA is in your blood stream or

your cup?

Mandi x

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Mandi,

I think you're referring to j. recent data showing that DMSA

doesn't significantly increase urinary zinc levels. I don't see why

that doesn't mean it won't form a complex with zinc that prevents

adsorption from the intestines though. Remember, a lot of DMSA

doesn't get adsorbed.

DMSA can't differentiate zinc, mercury, lead, cadmium, etc. It's a

broad spectrum metal ion chelation bond forming molecule.

I reckon it may be better to keep minerals and DMSA separate by a

few hours.

Liam

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> In a message dated 05/07/2007 14:05:13 GMT Standard Time,

> edwarddhliu@... writes:

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> DMSA chelate with zinc. Mixing them isn't good.

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> >>Jim shows that it doesn't. We give minerals with DMSA

without any

> issues

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> Mandi in UK

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> Mandi,

> I think you're referring to j. recent data showing that DMSA

> doesn't significantly increase urinary zinc levels. I don't see why

> that doesn't mean it won't form a complex with zinc that prevents

> adsorption from the intestines though.

The complex would actually absorb more readily than either DMSA or zinc itself.

> Remember, a lot of DMSA

> doesn't get adsorbed.

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> DMSA can't differentiate zinc, mercury, lead, cadmium, etc.

Again, this is confusion betweenh thiol chelators and EDTA. This is true of

EDTA. It is not

true of DMSA, which does have a lower affinity for zinc than for the toxic heavy

metals.

> I reckon it may be better to keep minerals and DMSA separate by a

> few hours.

This is unnecssary, but isn't going to hurt anything so if it makes you happy,

do it.

Just don't confuse other people about what is going on.

Andy