Re: spider bite

[Guest guest]

Joanne, I did speak to my doctors office. Thanks for the advice. It is

certainly appropriate. Unfortunately unless I have complications other than

pain, swelling, rot , etc - they can't do much. So for me it is a wait and

see. Ugh.

Sylvia - AIH - Las Vegas, NV

[Guest guest]

Sylvia,

Shouldn't your doctor think about giving you IV antibiotics? My brothers ex

girlfriend was bit. She ended up in the hospital for over a week. and they

gave her IVs. And cut away most of the rot so it wouldn't go any farther to

cause more infection then she took pills for a long time. This girl was

healthy, You are not I cannot believe how much doctors are not educated on

liver disease. We are lucky to be alive.

gayle trans/6-99 ^oo^

galye@...

[Guest guest]

Gayle, thanks so for the concern and reply. I was initially a bit paniced.

Yes my doctor was fully aware. Everything I read up thru the latest medical

reports dated May on brown recluse spider bites indicates treatment is

really questionable. Some antibiotics may help in infectious responses. But

apparently, nothing has been very difinitive in the treatment other than

treating the symptoms. So should the rot spread, it would be surgically

treated - sometimes that doesn't occur until 6 weeks after the bite. So far

I haven't experienced any of the complications - only pain, a bit of

bleeding, swelling, and more pain. After consultation with my doctor and

reading everything I could - I made some decisions on my own. Firstly,

since the drugs aren't suppressing my immune system (I am one of the 10%

not responding), my immune system must be going strong. Because my wound

site looks far better than the pictures of a 1-week old bite. Second, one

of the treatments for the bite-rotten area is oxygen therapy. Now that is

for the severe cases and it is what is done to burn victims, I believe. The

only thing my son quickly thought of (which my doctor doesn't agree with)

was to use hydrogen peroxide (which oxygenates thru the wound and pores.)

All I know is mine is far better than any cases I studied on the web, and

better than acquaintances here on campus who have been bitten and received

the antibiotic and wait and see treatment. I do find it becomes more

inflamed with my foot down and standing on it. But each night with the

peroxide and elevation it is improving. I think some of us dealing with

serious diseases either give in to the Doctors are Divine and have all the

answers - Or when physicians aren't able to give us the answers, we take

responsibility and try alternatives on our own. I am not saying this is

right, but it is what I am doing with this bite. I think my accelerated

immune response is actually working to my benefit. Makes me wonder, if they

took my blood and transfused someone with the opposite problem, like AIDS -

Could it help them. Who knows - maybe we (AIHers) have the natural cure for

the masses. I am going to have my bloodwork repeated this weekend and see

if anything has changed.

Thanks for your input. I was down and worried in the beginning. But since

not much can be done at this point - I will continue. I will keep you

posted with my success or failure. At least right now, I am better off than

most with this ugly thing.

Sylvia - AIH - Las Vegas, NV

galye@... on 06/20/2001 04:08:47 PM

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Subject: Re: [ ] Spider Bite

Sylvia,

Shouldn't your doctor think about giving you IV antibiotics? My brothers ex

girlfriend was bit. She ended up in the hospital for over a week. and they

gave her IVs. And cut away most of the rot so it wouldn't go any farther to

cause more infection then she took pills for a long time. This girl was

healthy, You are not I cannot believe how much doctors are not educated on

liver disease. We are lucky to be alive.

gayle trans/6-99 ^oo^

galye@...

[Guest guest]

Depends on the spider bite. If its just a regular spider and you are

tryingto neutralize the bacteria then it would work. If it is a Brown

Recluse bite then it is much more dificult as it injects a flesh necrotizing

enzyme that dissolves your flesh and it takes a real long time to heal, like

months. Only thing I can think of for that is to find something that can

nuetralize the enzyme so it can heal.

V

Would the silver pulser put out enough electricity to neutralize a spider

bite?

I ask because it only takes a fraction of the dial before I can feel the

" thump " of the current and when turned all the way up it's absolutely

unbearable.

-

[Guest guest]

Just read the spider bite sites and many of the links. As I understand it, the

venom causes the blood vessels to spasm and shut down. This prevents any

medication to get to the injury and also stops oxygen from getting there. This

is what causes the death of the tissue. The current must effect the venom some

way so that it can't cause the spasms. One Dr. uses nitroglycerin patches, which

opens the blood vessels, and lets the wound heal.

Dick

Re: Spider bite

Depends on the spider bite. If its just a regular spider and you are

tryingto neutralize the bacteria then it would work. If it is a Brown

Recluse bite then it is much more dificult as it injects a flesh necrotizing

enzyme that dissolves your flesh and it takes a real long time to heal, like

months. Only thing I can think of for that is to find something that can

nuetralize the enzyme so it can heal.

V

Would the silver pulser put out enough electricity to neutralize a spider

bite?

I ask because it only takes a fraction of the dial before I can feel the

" thump " of the current and when turned all the way up it's absolutely

unbearable.

-

[Guest guest]

best to get it looked at by a DR. IF you use it, let us know how it

goes.

bG

> A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's

about the size of a quarter now.

> I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla

on it to good effect?

[Guest guest]

best to get it looked at by a DR. IF you use it, let us know how it

goes.

bG

> A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's

about the size of a quarter now.

> I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla

on it to good effect?

[Guest guest]

I heard of one guy trynig it and the put the electrodes on eaithre side of the bite. If its turning black and gettnig bigger it sounds like a brown recluse bite. What couses those bites to not heal is what is called a flesh necrotizing enzyme. Spiders inject that into their victimes and it liquifies the tissue and then the spiders drink it. So unless the enzyme is neutralized then it will not heal.

Enzymes can be broken down by electricity or heat over 120 degrees. whether it will work on the bite or not I have no idea.

V

Spider bite

A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's about the size of a quarter now.

I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla on it to good effect?The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

I heard of one guy trynig it and the put the electrodes on eaithre side of the bite. If its turning black and gettnig bigger it sounds like a brown recluse bite. What couses those bites to not heal is what is called a flesh necrotizing enzyme. Spiders inject that into their victimes and it liquifies the tissue and then the spiders drink it. So unless the enzyme is neutralized then it will not heal.

Enzymes can be broken down by electricity or heat over 120 degrees. whether it will work on the bite or not I have no idea.

V

Spider bite

A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's about the size of a quarter now.

I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla on it to good effect?The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

Sounds like its worth a try. The MDs give antibiotics and sometimes have to do surgery, over and over as the flesh dies.

Dick

Spider bite

A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's about the size of a quarter now.

I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla on it to good effect?The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

Sounds like its worth a try. The MDs give antibiotics and sometimes have to do surgery, over and over as the flesh dies.

Dick

Spider bite

A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's about the size of a quarter now.

I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla on it to good effect?The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG The information on this group is not intended as medical advice. Most group members are NOT doctors or health authorities. Please do not request medical advice, lest anyone get into trouble out of human compassion. There are huge fines and issues currently involved with unlicensed medical advice. The group is only here to share experiences according to the theme of the group, namely testing if electrical stimulus might inactivate microbes, as it seems to have done in the Einstein Medical College labs. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

[Guest guest]

This subject was discussed quite a bit on the silver list. Two recommendations stand out, one is to use a Beck blood electrifier (Godzilla qualifies I believe). The following link discusses this:

tt-forum/message/102

The other was to use healing clay hydrated with colloidal silver, as follows:

"My brother-in-law was bitten on the hand by a brown recluse. He waited a day to tell me. By the time he came to me his hand had swollen so bad he could no longer make a fist. I immediately applied a calcium bentonite clay hydrated with 10 ppm colloidal silver as a poultice to the bite about an inch thick and covering the entire back of his hand. We then wrapped it and secured it with an ace bandage. We changed the clay twice a day for 3 days. By day 3 the swelling had gone completely away and you could only see 2 small white marks where the fangs had hit him. He suffered no necrosis."

Another recommendation for healing clay:

>Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two >users that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist >recovery.>>Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid >responses with other types of bites.>>The treatment must be utilized as often as possible... Dressings changed >about 3 times daily. It is far better if one has some prepared and >utilizes it immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the >clay and CS directly to the area.>>If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to >visit our not-for-profit website:><http://www.eytonsearth.org>http://www.eytonsearth.org>>Best Regards,>>

Unfortunately, if the bite occurred a month ago, it is already late in the game.

I think I would try both the electrification and the healing clay, and keep it well saturated with colloidal silver the rest of the time.

Del

Spider bite

A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's about the size of a quarter now.

I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla on it to good effect?

[Guest guest]

This subject was discussed quite a bit on the silver list. Two recommendations stand out, one is to use a Beck blood electrifier (Godzilla qualifies I believe). The following link discusses this:

tt-forum/message/102

The other was to use healing clay hydrated with colloidal silver, as follows:

"My brother-in-law was bitten on the hand by a brown recluse. He waited a day to tell me. By the time he came to me his hand had swollen so bad he could no longer make a fist. I immediately applied a calcium bentonite clay hydrated with 10 ppm colloidal silver as a poultice to the bite about an inch thick and covering the entire back of his hand. We then wrapped it and secured it with an ace bandage. We changed the clay twice a day for 3 days. By day 3 the swelling had gone completely away and you could only see 2 small white marks where the fangs had hit him. He suffered no necrosis."

Another recommendation for healing clay:

>Although I have never seen the treatment, I have been informed by two >users that utilizing healing clay poultices on the area greatly assist >recovery.>>Hydrating the healing clay with CS is even a better idea; I've seen rapid >responses with other types of bites.>>The treatment must be utilized as often as possible... Dressings changed >about 3 times daily. It is far better if one has some prepared and >utilizes it immediately upon being bitten; switching between utilizing the >clay and CS directly to the area.>>If you'd like to learn more about the art of healing clays, feel free to >visit our not-for-profit website:><http://www.eytonsearth.org>http://www.eytonsearth.org>>Best Regards,>>

Unfortunately, if the bite occurred a month ago, it is already late in the game.

I think I would try both the electrification and the healing clay, and keep it well saturated with colloidal silver the rest of the time.

Del

Spider bite

A friend of mine was bitten on the leg about a month ago and it's about the size of a quarter now.

I've heard about the stun gun method and could I use my Godzilla on it to good effect?

[Guest guest]

My wife was bit by a brown recluse last year, we caught it in time

just before as it was uclerating, our protocol was godzilla

electrodes on either side of the bite and colloidal silver compress

afterwards pretty much for all day with the compress. Next day we

could barely notice she was event bit except for the bruising of the

tissue around the bite mark caused by the necrosis setting in. If

you look at it now you can't even tell she was ever even bitten.

[Guest guest]

My wife was bit by a brown recluse last year, we caught it in time

just before as it was uclerating, our protocol was godzilla

electrodes on either side of the bite and colloidal silver compress

afterwards pretty much for all day with the compress. Next day we

could barely notice she was event bit except for the bruising of the

tissue around the bite mark caused by the necrosis setting in. If

you look at it now you can't even tell she was ever even bitten.

[Guest guest]

yes, put a little wetted cloth liner underneath the wedding ring so

the wetted cloth (not the metal) touches the skin. that will work

better, provide quicker effects, and protect the skin better.

the 6 volt battery will do this really nice, should u decide to

spring for it, it's under 10 dollars at any supermarket.

bG

>

> Thank you all for all of the wonderful suggestions.

> Glad to know aboout the plantain and bites as we live

> in coastal Texas, too and there are plenty of things

> that bite. Right now I am just using the electricity

> and my CS. This is my 4th day. I am seeing a good

> bit of improvement and lessening of the periodical

> rupturing and bleeding. Prior to zapping it it was

> consistantly getting worse. Now there is no fever in

> it, it is smaller and drier and appears to be

> beginning to heal. There is still no sign of

> secondary infection.

>

> My electrical husband has an idea. He suggests

> placing some saltwater or CS into a small metal

> container such as a tablespoon, attaching one lead to

> the container and the other to my wedding ring (that

> is the finger with the bite) and using that to zap the

> bite. Has anyone tried anything like this?

>

> Thanks

> Nikki

>

> [

>

> So what I do is pick the plantain in the spring and

> juice it and

> then freeze the juice. You can use a juicer and get

> pure juice, or you can

> add a little water to the plantain in a blender and

> blend the whole plant

> until you get a mash, then freeze the mash. The

> plantain ice cubes

> themselves feel great and soothing on a bite because

> of the coolness of

> being frozen, plus the plantain starts working as it

> thaws. Or you can thaw

> it out and mix it with the clay.

>

> samala

>

> " tossed down to live among angels, who have forgotten

> what they are, I

> strive to remember " RLV 1998

[Guest guest]

couple of points:

1. power supplies are ok on local area like the finger, but do not

use across the heart. If anything goes wrong you are exposed to

house current across the heart, which is very serious risk. on a

finger the current has to follow the path of least resistance and

never goes near the heart. This is why we use batteries, but in your

case you aren't risking anything the way you are doing it...just

confine it to that.

2. .3mA for an hour should be about right for that thing. .1mA is

too light, especially for only 5 minutes. .5mA for 20 minutes

should be good, but reverse the polarity every 5 minutes. (just

switch the wires so + is where - minus was and vice-versa)..that will

prevent mineral buildup in joints.

best of luck, sounds like you will do fine. Hep-C, etc is probably

something easily controlled with this, see our files. WE may not

have wiped it to zero on more than one person yet, but it may be

possible. Hep-B also, shows good results.

bG

> Electrical husband rooted around in his shop and came

> up with a variable voltage dc power supply. We used

> a digital multimeter to measure both voltage and

> current. Connected one pole to wedding ring with

> wetted pad beneath it and the other to a stainless

> steel container filled with CS. Submerged spider bite

> but did not touch container. At 6v I got approx .1

> mA, at 12v we got about .3 mA. Dropped it back to 6 v

> and over time current flow tapered off so we kept

> cranking it up to maintain the .1 mA. At the end of

> the 5 minute session we had pushed the power supply to

> approx 9 v to maintain the .1 mA. At no time did I

> ever feel any tingle or anything. As of right now,

> the outer ring which was tender to the touch has

> retracted further and is much less sensitive to touch.

> The overall color is improved although center still

> swells and seeps clear tissue fluid when constraint of

> bandage is removed.

>

> We then set it up like I was using it before, just two

> leads from the power supply. With leads very firmly

> pressed to the finger, at 12v we registered .O4 mA and

> at 6v we registered .02 mA.

>

> As I write this I am beginning to feel a deep itching

> (nope, not scratchin', mom) around the edjes

> consistant with any healing wound. Looks promising.

>

> Would anyone suggest doing it perhaps twice a day?

> Is 5 minutes long enough at a stretch, do you think?

> This is a pretty yucky bite.

>

> Thanks,

> Nikki

> yes, put a little wetted cloth liner underneath the

> wedding ring so

> the wetted cloth (not the metal) touches the skin.

> that will work

> better, provide quicker effects, and protect the skin

> better.

>

> the 6 volt battery will do this really nice, should u

> decide to

> spring for it, it's under 10 dollars at any

> supermarket.

> bG

[Guest guest]

Do they really give antibiotics for spider bites??? wow...ummm, baking

soda - like you would for bee stings...witch hazel - soak a washcloth &

set on bite...we've actually used epsom salt & water on bug bites, with

good results (I just gotta try & see what any new thing will work on

Too,yk? lol)...ice helps alot too, tho we use whatever froz food we

have usually....Not familiar with the creams & such anymore - think we

used hydrocortizone cream in the past....

hope you feel better soon, spider bites hurt...

elizabeth

>

> Hi, I am trying to avoid taking antibiotics but I have a spider bite

that is

> looking bad. Any suggestions? TIA

>

> Kristi in Alabama

>

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[Guest guest]

I had a necrotic spider bite a month ago...early on day 2 I dabbed a 15-1

solution of water and clorox on it, on day 4 I saw the Dr but it had turned

the corner. Given my problems with antibiotics, he was reluctant to give

them to me so we did a wait-and-see. A month later it is merely a change of

skin color and getting better. Periodically I'd rub neosporin on it, maybe

3-4 times? and used 5% hydrocortisone cream when the itch was really bad.

The only other thing I can suggest is high dose vitamin C. I only took

1000mg, but had I increased it, it probably would have healed faster.

in MD

[ ] spider bite

> Hi, I am trying to avoid taking antibiotics but I have a spider bite that

> is

> looking bad. Any suggestions? TIA

>

> Kristi in Alabama

>

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[Guest guest]

MSM works for these...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/07 6:56:34 AM Central Daylight Time,

sharashing@... writes:

> MSM works for these...

>

What is MSM? And thanks for helping.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I am trying to avoid taking antibiotics but I have a spider

bite that is

> looking bad. Any suggestions?

I used OLE as an antibiotic.

Dana

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/07 10:04:37 AM Central Daylight Time,

gladioli66@... writes:

> Not sure what you mean by looking bad?

It is hard around it about a quarters size...it is red about a hand

size...warm....and it is at my ankle and has caused swelling in the ankle. No

streaks

or puss. Yeah.

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[Guest guest]

Not sure what you mean by looking bad? I've had many a spider bite,

including a couple from brown recluse spiders and managed never to

take antibiotics. The inflammatory response to the venom can make

things look pretty nasty. If there is pus or drainage of any kind, if

you develop a fever or if you have or develop red streaks running from

the bite, it might be time to have someone take a look because these

can be signs of infection.

>

> Hi, I am trying to avoid taking antibiotics but I have a spider

bite that is

> looking bad. Any suggestions? TIA

>

> Kristi in Alabama

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I use apis and ledum (homeopathic) for all bites.

OLE and OOO are both used as antibiotics

Prokofiew

Department of Human Resources

County of Hunterdon

http://www.co.hunterdon.nj.us/

Flemington NJ 08822

Phone 908 788-1114

Fax 908 806-4236

>

> Hi, I am trying to avoid taking antibiotics but I have a spider

bite that is

> looking bad. Any suggestions?

I used OLE as an antibiotic.

Dana