Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at from a cost/ benefit ratio point of view. The work that Jill has done suggests that a titration dose is counter-productive. If you read her statistics, it suggests a drastic improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why wait? Now with the other auto-immune diseases we have found that it can take from 1 day up to 6 months to see some response. The study that I presented at NIH showed that patients who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely to stop the drug due to side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had only one patient failure due to side effects. SkipIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Tonight will be my third week on LDN and I'm noticing very little improvement and only when I'm really restrictive with my diet. I've been taking 4.5mg LDN from Belmar Pharmacy which use the same filler as Skip's pharmacy. I'm wondering if maybe I should use a lower dosage. Skip recommended that I start with 4.5mg since I have Ulcerative Colitis. What does the group think?JeffClimb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. Play now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Jeff,Unless you are experiencing intolerable side effects from the LDN, I suggest you stick with 4.5 mg. It is deemed the optimal dosage. It can take weeks, months, or even a year or more to experience the maximum therapeutic benefit from LDN. Your bowel problems took time to develop, and they will take time to overcome.A good book you may wish to read is entitled, "The New Eating Right for a Bad Gut." It is available from Amazon.com through this link:http://tinyurl.com/2y92c3Sincerely,Dudley Delany dudley_delanyFrom: Jeff Lodwick Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:46 PM low dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] question about dosage Tonight will be my third week on LDN and I'm noticing very little improvement and only when I'm really restrictive with my diet. I've been taking 4.5mg LDN from Belmar Pharmacy which use the same filler as Skip's pharmacy. I'm wondering if maybe I should use a lower dosage. Skip recommended that I start with 4.5mg since I have Ulcerative Colitis What does the group think?JeffClimb to the top of the charts!�Play the word scramble challenge with star power Play now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Surprised to read Skip recommends starting at 4.5mgs. Usually he says to start at 1.5, after one month go to 3.0 then to 4.5 the following month. Art -- > > Tonight will be my third week on LDN and I'm noticing very little improvement and only when I'm really restrictive with my diet. I've been taking 4.5mg LDN from Belmar Pharmacy which use the same filler as Skip's pharmacy. I'm wondering if maybe I should use a lower dosage. Skip recommended that I start with 4.5mg since I have Ulcerative Colitis. What does the group think? > > Jeff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 My gosh! I started on 3mg. and then after 3 months went to 4.5...never had problems. It is difficult when we have to educate our doctors. My doctor asked me...last visit...if I needed to go up....I told him....no it stays at 4.5mg. I gave him a load of info on LDN....but I guess he forgets. I am his second patient on LDN and he has a total of three....I believe one was just added. I thank God for doctors with open mines.....but it scares me a little when I feel I have to train him. LOL! Suppose I make a mistake. Thanks for this! www.freewebs.com/lovelaugh/ Health and Peace, donna --- slenzrph@... wrote: > Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at > from a cost/ benefit ratio > point of view. The work that Jill has done > suggests that a titration > dose is counter-productive. If you read her > statistics, it suggests a drastic > improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why > wait? Now with the other > auto-immune diseases we have found that it can take > from 1 day up to 6 months > to see some response. The study that I presented > at NIH showed that patients > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely > to stop the drug due to > side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our > protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had > only one patient failure due to side effects. > Skip > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 When I started LDN I started on 3 mg then waited 5 months and then went up to 4.5 mg and I didn't have any problems except when I went to the 4.5 mg the furst 2 weeks I had wierd dreams and a hard time sleeping but then it went away and I haven't had a problem since or any relapses. Donna, Your Dr has 3 now including you on LDN since I left? I gave him a bunch of information when I was the first patient he let try LDN. Guess he either forgets or doesn't read up on LDN like he should but at least he is open minded enough to have let me start it and you and others. You should give him the information for the next LDN Conference and see if he can go. Then you wouldn't have to worry about training him more lol.... Hugs & Blessings, Crystal LDN_Users Group Owner Diagnosed November 2004 with Secondary Progressive MS, Transverse Myelitis and an Advocate for LDN!! 2 years & 6 months on LDN with Skip's Pharmacy..... Crystal's MS,TM & LDN Website Crystal's LDN Gift Shop Crystal's LDN Support Group Skip's Compounding Pharmacy LDN Website Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: question about dosage My gosh! I started on 3mg. and then after 3 monthswent to 4.5...never had problems. It is difficultwhen we have to educate our doctors. My doctor askedme...last visit...if I needed to go up....I toldhim....no it stays at 4.5mg. I gave him a load ofinfo on LDN....but I guess he forgets. I am hissecond patient on LDN and he has a total of three....Ibelieve one was just added. I thank God for doctorswith open mines.....but it scares me a little when Ifeel I have to train him. LOL! Suppose I make amistake. Thanks for this! www.freewebs. com/lovelaugh/ Health and Peace, donna --- slenzrphaol (DOT) com wrote:> Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at> from a cost/ benefit ratio > point of view. The work that Jill has done> suggests that a titration > dose is counter-productive. If you read her> statistics, it suggests a drastic > improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why> wait? Now with the other > auto-immune diseases we have found that it can take> from 1 day up to 6 months > to see some response. The study that I presented> at NIH showed that patients > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely> to stop the drug due to > side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our> protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had > only one patient failure due to side effects. > Skip> > > > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and> advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 000000001)> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Skip, The study that I presented > > at NIH showed that patients > > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely > > to stop the drug due to > > side effects. Was this primarily MS patients? I am just curious because I kinda skipped the protocol for increase too. I have Graves Disease though,(however, I am hypo now due to RAI) and unproductive, interrupted sleep causes the most problems for me. I did have initial sleep disturbances at 1.5 mg that lasted a couple of days. I decided I couldn't handle the sleep problems with every increase, so after 15 days, I am up to the 4.5 mg, and haven't had any other sleep disturbances other than those that presented themselves with my initial dose. I sleep better than I have since I was a child, and last night I actually slept through the whole night. The only other " side effect " I have is the dreams. However, I wonder if it is actually a side effect of the medication, or just the fact that I am finally entering REM sleep? Regardless, I really enjoy the dreams. Peace and love to all, Saundra GD dx 3/07 10.5 months post RAI > > > Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at > > from a cost/ benefit ratio > > point of view. The work that Jill has done > > suggests that a titration > > dose is counter-productive. If you read her > > statistics, it suggests a drastic > > improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why > > wait? Now with the other > > auto-immune diseases we have found that it can take > > from 1 day up to 6 months > > to see some response. The study that I presented > > at NIH showed that patients > > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely > > to stop the drug due to > > side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our > > protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had > > only one patient failure due to side effects. > > Skip > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > > advice on AOL Money & > > Finance. > > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Vivid dreaming while sleeping is probably a side-effect of LDN. Art -- > Was this primarily MS patients? > I am just curious because I kinda skipped the protocol for increase > too. I have Graves Disease though,(however, I am hypo now due to RAI) > and unproductive, interrupted sleep causes the most problems for me. I > did have initial sleep disturbances at 1.5 mg that lasted a couple of > days. I decided I couldn't handle the sleep problems with every > increase, so after 15 days, I am up to the 4.5 mg, and haven't had any > other sleep disturbances other than those that presented themselves > with my initial dose. I sleep better than I have since I was a child, > and last night I actually slept through the whole night. > The only other " side effect " I have is the dreams. However, I wonder > if it is actually a side effect of the medication, or just the fact > that I am finally entering REM sleep? Regardless, I really enjoy the > dreams. > Peace and love to all, > Saundra > GD dx 3/07 > 10.5 months post RAI > > > > > > > > > > > Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at > > > from a cost/ benefit ratio > > > point of view. The work that Jill has done > > > suggests that a titration > > > dose is counter-productive. If you read her > > > statistics, it suggests a drastic > > > improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why > > > wait? Now with the other > > > auto-immune diseases we have found that it can take > > > from 1 day up to 6 months > > > to see some response. The study that I presented > > > at NIH showed that patients > > > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely > > > to stop the drug due to > > > side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our > > > protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had > > > only one patient failure due to side effects. > > > Skip > > > > > > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > > > advice on AOL Money & > > > Finance. > > > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Consider not only giving your doctor the info- but have it with you at each visit. As long as he reviews the information- He is using his medical knowledge base to help you. He has no experience- that is OK. Any drug including tylenol has a learning curve. Doctors have been trained to respect those that teach. The more he prescribes it, the more comfortable he will be, especially if you have classic side effects and respond to tapering. CDO [low dose naltrexone] Re: question about dosage Skip,The study that I presented> > at NIH showed that patients > > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely> > to stop the drug due to > > side effects. Was this primarily MS patients?I am just curious because I kinda skipped the protocol for increasetoo. I have Graves Disease though,(however, I am hypo now due to RAI)and unproductive, interrupted sleep causes the most problems for me. Idid have initial sleep disturbances at 1.5 mg that lasted a couple ofdays. I decided I couldn't handle the sleep problems with everyincrease, so after 15 days, I am up to the 4.5 mg, and haven't had anyother sleep disturbances other than those that presented themselveswith my initial dose. I sleep better than I have since I was a child,and last night I actually slept through the whole night.The only other "side effect" I have is the dreams. However, I wonderif it is actually a side effect of the medication, or just the factthat I am finally entering REM sleep? Regardless, I really enjoy thedreams.Peace and love to all,SaundraGD dx 3/0710.5 months post RAI> > > Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at> > from a cost/ benefit ratio > > point of view. The work that Jill has done> > suggests that a titration > > dose is counter-productive. If you read her> > statistics, it suggests a drastic > > improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why> > wait? Now with the other > > auto-immune diseases we have found that it can take> > from 1 day up to 6 months > > to see some response. The study that I presented> > at NIH showed that patients > > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more likely> > to stop the drug due to > > side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our> > protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had > > only one patient failure due to side effects. > > Skip> > > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and> > advice on AOL Money & > > Finance. > > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)> > > > > > __________________________________________________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.19/956 - Release Date: 8/16/2007 9:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Crystal, Yes, me and my sister. My sister got a phone call asking where she got her LDN the other day. I figured a new patient. I will give him the info about the conference. For sure! Will have to copy it out. I asked him in Jan., if he had others on LDN besides my sister and I and he said no. Then my sister got the phone call. hmmmmm? I am dying to know. I have referred others to him that live nearby. Isn't it exciting?! Talk to ya later and do take care! Peace and Health to all! --- Crystal Nason <angelindisguise67@...> wrote: > When I started LDN I started on 3 mg then waited 5 > months and then went up to 4.5 mg and I didn't have > any problems except when I went to the 4.5 mg the > furst 2 weeks I had wierd dreams and a hard time > sleeping but then it went away and I haven't had a > problem since or any relapses. > > Donna, Your Dr has 3 now including you on LDN since > I left? I gave him a bunch of information when I was > the first patient he let try LDN. Guess he either > forgets or doesn't read up on LDN like he should but > at least he is open minded enough to have let me > start it and you and others. You should give him the > information for the next LDN Conference and see if > he can go. Then you wouldn't have to worry about > training him more lol.... > > > Hugs & Blessings, > Crystal > LDN_Users Group Owner > > Diagnosed November 2004 with Secondary Progressive > MS, Transverse Myelitis and an Advocate for LDN!! 2 > years & 6 months on LDN with Skip's Pharmacy..... > > > Crystal's MS,TM & LDN Website > > Crystal's LDN Gift Shop > > Crystal's LDN Support Group > > Skip's Compounding Pharmacy > > LDN Website > > > > Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: question about > dosage > > My gosh! I started on 3mg. and then after 3 months > went to 4.5...never had problems. It is difficult > when we have to educate our doctors. My doctor asked > me...last visit...if I needed to go up....I told > him....no it stays at 4.5mg. I gave him a load of > info on LDN....but I guess he forgets. I am his > second patient on LDN and he has a total of > three....I > believe one was just added. I thank God for doctors > with open mines.....but it scares me a little when I > feel I have to train him. LOL! Suppose I make a > mistake. > Thanks for this! > > www.freewebs. com/lovelaugh/ > > Health and Peace, donna > --- slenzrphaol (DOT) com wrote: > > > Art. Each individual pathology must be looked at > > from a cost/ benefit ratio > > point of view. The work that Jill has done > > suggests that a titration > > dose is counter-productive. If you read her > > statistics, it suggests a drastic > > improvement at the 4.5 mg in just a few weeks. Why > > wait? Now with the other > > auto-immune diseases we have found that it can > take > > from 1 day up to 6 months > > to see some response. The study that I presented > > at NIH showed that patients > > who started at 4.5mg were 80 or 90 times more > likely > > to stop the drug due to > > side effects. Alternatively the folks who use our > > protocol of 1.5-3-4.5 had > > only one patient failure due to side effects. > > Skip > > > > > > > > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > > advice on AOL Money & > > Finance. > > (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 > 000000001) > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ > _________ _ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile. / ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR > 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 no i belive they started with autism,one of dr fiorentini sons has this patology emiliano ----- Messaggio originale -----Da: "slenzrph@..." <slenzrph@...>A: low dose naltrexone Inviato: Lunedì 17 marzo 2008, 18:40:00Oggetto: Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: question about dosage IT WAS MS PATIENTS. SKIP It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Inviato da . Il servizio di posta con lo spazio illimitato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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