Re: Back again!!Still can't chelate through the gut- help! also transfer factor

[Guest guest]

> the full range of supplements, CLO, nasal secretin, oxytocin, MB12

> daily, epsom salt foot baths, coconut oil, OLE, lauricidin,

Many of those supplements cause yeast, some caused more yeast than

chelation did. You might have to wait until those protocols are

finished, or at least further along, before you can chelate.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana, I really do not know what to remove or add at the

moment as it is hard to tell what helps or hinders to be quite

honest. I feel stuck in a rut with it all.

Sue

> > the full range of supplements, CLO, nasal secretin, oxytocin,

MB12

> > daily, epsom salt foot baths, coconut oil, OLE, lauricidin,

>

>

> Many of those supplements cause yeast, some caused more yeast than

> chelation did. You might have to wait until those protocols are

> finished, or at least further along, before you can chelate.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Dana, I really do not know what to remove or add at the

> moment as it is hard to tell what helps or hinders to be quite

> honest. I feel stuck in a rut with it all.

Sometimes I didn't know either, so I removed everything, waited a few

days, then started them at low dose, one at a time, all over again.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> My son has just turned 9 now and we STILL cannot restart

> chelation through the gut as his stomach issues are so bad and he

> has the highest yeast/fungal metabolites on OAT consistently that Dr

> Neubrander has ever seen. Just one round and it causes regression

> and major gut flare.

Maybe you've already tried this, but what about very teeny doses of

chelator? My son's gut was in very crummy shape as well, though not

quite as bad as yours, and although enzymes and diet helped some, no

amount of antifungal made a dent in his yeast. Bacteria was also

stubborn and he reacted very badly to any probiotics. The *only thing

that helped was chelation. But the dose was very low -- I think 5 mgs

to start. Increases brought meltdowns and more gut problems, which is

why I'm wondering whether keeping the dose miniscule might be tolerable.

There are adults on the adult list who are very toxic and chelating

with doses that small, and seeing slow improvement.

> 3. Has anyone else seen measurable immune improvements through the

> use of oral transfer factors?

Yes, although they weren't tolerated until a certain number of rounds

had been gotten through.

> he has Staph Aureous in his gut (causes boils)

Ouch. Poor kiddo!

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Nell, I am now determined to give it another go and

will start very low just LA as he has responded well to it in the

past. I know his learning difficulties are caused just as much by

the presence of these toxic metals as the by-products of the yeast

and bacteria. The transdermals just seem to create rashes and as

many issues as the oral really. Everyone else seems so much more

together. I have lead poisoning myself and I am chronically anaemic,

parthly beacuse of that, so much so that even driving is a challenge

to concentrate, so I have been unable to keep track of the amount of

rounds he has completed but they will be in the dozens.

We have seen so much global improvement though that it keeps us

together, but it can be lost in a couple of hours when things flare,

as they constantly do.

Good to talk to you again,

Sue

> >

>

> > My son has just turned 9 now and we STILL cannot restart

> > chelation through the gut as his stomach issues are so bad and

he

> > has the highest yeast/fungal metabolites on OAT consistently

that Dr

> > Neubrander has ever seen. Just one round and it causes

regression

> > and major gut flare.

>

> Maybe you've already tried this, but what about very teeny doses of

> chelator? My son's gut was in very crummy shape as well, though not

> quite as bad as yours, and although enzymes and diet helped some,

no

> amount of antifungal made a dent in his yeast. Bacteria was also

> stubborn and he reacted very badly to any probiotics. The *only

thing

> that helped was chelation. But the dose was very low -- I think 5

mgs

> to start. Increases brought meltdowns and more gut problems, which

is

> why I'm wondering whether keeping the dose miniscule might be

tolerable.

>

> There are adults on the adult list who are very toxic and chelating

> with doses that small, and seeing slow improvement.

>

> > 3. Has anyone else seen measurable immune improvements through

the

> > use of oral transfer factors?

>

> Yes, although they weren't tolerated until a certain number of

rounds

> had been gotten through.

>

> > he has Staph Aureous in his gut (causes boils)

>

> Ouch. Poor kiddo!

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

I know his learning difficulties are caused just as much by

> the presence of these toxic metals as the by-products of the yeast

> and bacteria.

Yes, and slowly slowly as the metals get out, the yeast and bacteria

becomes more manageable.

>The transdermals just seem to create rashes and as

> many issues as the oral really.

This is how it seems based on parent reports I've seen.

>I have lead poisoning myself and I am chronically anaemic,

> parthly beacuse of that, so much so that even driving is a challenge

> to concentrate,

Oh Sue, I know exactly what you mean. I used to have these scary

moments driving when I couldn't remember where I was going and

couldn't figure out where I was. Let me suggest getting Andy's book

" Amalgam Illness " and chelating yourself at the same time. I am also

lead and mercury poisoned, and finally getting better -- I was

thinking just this morning how much easier it would have been to

handle n and his treatment if I hadn't been so ill myself the

whole time. Just getting on the right supplements will help your brain

functioning a LOT.

>

> We have seen so much global improvement though that it keeps us

> together, but it can be lost in a couple of hours when things flare,

> as they constantly do.

Well, you're on the right track though. Remember that it's not exactly

" lost " when he has a yeast flare -- he's got less metals than he did

before and he's another step down the road to health.

Nell

[Guest guest]

-Nell, Thank you, you are a star. I know it is the right thing to

push on and you have confirmed it- who knows what the mercury and

lead has disrupted by justbeingthere. I worry that it is building up

too as he has lost the edge he would have somedays when on

chelation. Will start on the ALA alone this Friday. Is it safe to

chelate his sister from scratch with just ALA? She has lead

poisoning and aluminium, mercury and nickel the worst. Lead at 28 on

DD lab test...

Sue

-- In , " lanellici " <lanellici@...>

wrote:

>

>

> >

> I know his learning difficulties are caused just as much by

> > the presence of these toxic metals as the by-products of the

yeast

> > and bacteria.

>

> Yes, and slowly slowly as the metals get out, the yeast and

bacteria

> becomes more manageable.

>

> >The transdermals just seem to create rashes and as

> > many issues as the oral really.

>

> This is how it seems based on parent reports I've seen.

>

> >I have lead poisoning myself and I am chronically anaemic,

> > parthly beacuse of that, so much so that even driving is a

challenge

> > to concentrate,

>

> Oh Sue, I know exactly what you mean. I used to have these scary

> moments driving when I couldn't remember where I was going and

> couldn't figure out where I was. Let me suggest getting Andy's book

> " Amalgam Illness " and chelating yourself at the same time. I am

also

> lead and mercury poisoned, and finally getting better -- I was

> thinking just this morning how much easier it would have been to

> handle n and his treatment if I hadn't been so ill myself the

> whole time. Just getting on the right supplements will help your

brain

> functioning a LOT.

> >

> > We have seen so much global improvement though that it keeps us

> > together, but it can be lost in a couple of hours when things

flare,

> > as they constantly do.

>

> Well, you're on the right track though. Remember that it's not

exactly

> " lost " when he has a yeast flare -- he's got less metals than he

did

> before and he's another step down the road to health.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>Is it safe to

> chelate his sister from scratch with just ALA? She has lead

> poisoning and aluminium, mercury and nickel the worst. Lead at 28 on

> DD lab test...

You're going to need DMSA to get the lead out. You can do low doses of

that too. One way to handle lead is to chelate pretty intensively with

DMSA for about 15-20 rounds in a row (with ALA too if it's tolerated)

and then after that once every 4 rounds, giving the lead time to seep

out of the bones back into the bloodstream where the DMSA can pick it up.

Not sure what you mean about starting from scratch. Do you mean she

isn't on supps yet? I'd get those started up first, but once she's

taking the basic chelation supps I'd dive right in.

Good luck Sue!

Nell