Guest guest Posted January 1, 2007 Report Share Posted January 1, 2007 I appreciate your comments but could you please elaborate as to why you are against the FIR sauna. What are the negatives to doing this type of treatment? Just curious as to your thoughts so please don't bite my head off this time. Tina > > > > I just ordered a sauna from Sunlight Sauna. > > Maybe you can get your money back if you ask right away. > > > We will begin using it in the new year. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 I'd also be interested in knowing what the negatives may be. Thanks! > > > > > > I just ordered a sauna from Sunlight Sauna. > > > > Maybe you can get your money back if you ask right away. > > > > > We will begin using it in the new year. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 If you don't get an answer from Andy on this, try going to www.onibasu.com , click on the " Autism Mercury " box, and enter " andrewhallcutler " and " FIR " into the search engine, and you will get many, many archived posts that explain his objections in some detail. While you are there, you may also want to try " Bob " and " FIR " for some other very good posts on FIR saunas and saunas in general. hope this helps Rene > > > > I appreciate your comments but could you please elaborate as to why > > you are against the FIR sauna. What are the negatives to doing this > > type of treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 For anyone considering buying a sauna, I would highly recommend the book " Sauna Detoxification " by McVicker. I thought it was the one source of unbiased information I found when researching sauna's before I bought one. It goes into the plusses and minuses of traditional vs infrared saunas and it has been 7 years since I read it but I remember that some people can't get up a good sweat in an infrared sauna so anyone considering an IR sauna should try one out. Some of the negativity towards IR is in the way they are executed. They are made using particle board and glues that offgass. Heavenly Heat makes traditional saunas that are the choice of the chemically sensitive because they are made using three materials, none of which offgass toxic fumes (glass, stainless steel and poplar wood). Even if a IR sauna was executed well, there would still be a greater electro-magnetic field from the IR sauna vs a traditional heat sauna. I have come to respect the wisdom of traditional practices in the fields of nutrition, exercices and healing and in that thought process, traditional heat saunas have been used for thousands of years with great success so I went that way and have been very happy with the Heavenly Heat unit. Dave > > > > > > > > I just ordered a sauna from Sunlight Sauna. > > > > > > Maybe you can get your money back if you ask right away. > > > > > > > We will begin using it in the new year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Thanks for the tip Rene. After reading awhile, it seems the biggest concern is that FIR provides an uneven heat source. I'm wondering if the sauna is heated up by the FIR units to the desired temp, then turned off (we are starting with very short sessions anyway) - would this be considered safer? Is there still a concern with the residual (if this exists)FIR energy inside the sauna even with the units turned off? > > > > > > I appreciate your comments but could you please elaborate as to why > > > you are against the FIR sauna. What are the negatives to doing this > > > type of treatment? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I have a question about this as well. I did search in the files and saw that Andy said it's kind of like sticking a person in the microwave. What I am wondering is if that is true, why would I see obvious benefits using one for 4 years on my son and myself. I am sensitive to cell phones and microwaves. I get headaches if I talk too long on the cell phone or even stand too close to a microwave for too long while it's on. But the infrared saunas relax me, make me feel refreshed, unclog my mind, make me think clearer. I did do research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where this info comes from about it being unsafe. My son didn't sweat until we started doing the infrared saunas. Now he has no trouble sweating. The sauna helps him when he has anxiety, yeast, is not focusing well. We used them consistently 4-5 days a week for the first year. We are not nearly as consistent with it now. But when we do go in, it's undeniable that we feel better. My husband uses it for his chronic back pain and he said it's one of the few things that help. Thanks for further info. TamiW Gavin's mom > > > > > > I appreciate your comments but could you please elaborate as to why > > > you are against the FIR sauna. What are the negatives to doing this > > > type of treatment? > This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. It is intended solely for the named addressee. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message or its attachments to anyone. Rather, you should permanently delete this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Any content of this message and its attachments which does not relate to the official business of the sending company must be taken not to have been sent or endorsed by that company or any of its related entities. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachment(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I have a question about this as well. I did search in the files and saw that Andy said it's kind of like sticking a person in the microwave. What I am wondering is if that is true, why would I see obvious benefits using one for 4 years on my son and myself. I am sensitive to cell phones and microwaves. I get headaches if I talk too long on the cell phone or even stand too close to a microwave for too long while it's on. But the infrared saunas relax me, make me feel refreshed, unclog my mind, make me think clearer. I did do research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where this info comes from about it being unsafe. My son didn't sweat until we started doing the infrared saunas. Now he has no trouble sweating. The sauna helps him when he has anxiety, yeast, is not focusing well. We used them consistently 4-5 days a week for the first year. We are not nearly as consistent with it now. But when we do go in, it's undeniable that we feel better. My husband uses it for his chronic back pain and he said it's one of the few things that help. Thanks for further info. TamiW Gavin's mom > > > > > > I appreciate your comments but could you please elaborate as to why > > > you are against the FIR sauna. What are the negatives to doing this > > > type of treatment? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 We own the High Tech Health FIR sauna which I believe is also made in such a way as to be " pure " in any off-gassing. It took a while for my son and me to begin sweating in it, which is said to often be true of mercury-toxic people. We do sweat now though! My understanding is that the sweat produced by FIR saunas has a higher proportion of toxins in it that the sweat from normal saunas. In any event, we both sweat evenly over our bodies, so for us, unevenness doesn't seem to be an issue. I really appreciuate the low, gentle heat as well. Abigail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 We own the High Tech Health FIR sauna which I believe is also made in such a way as to be " pure " in any off-gassing. It took a while for my son and me to begin sweating in it, which is said to often be true of mercury-toxic people. We do sweat now though! My understanding is that the sweat produced by FIR saunas has a higher proportion of toxins in it that the sweat from normal saunas. In any event, we both sweat evenly over our bodies, so for us, unevenness doesn't seem to be an issue. I really appreciuate the low, gentle heat as well. Abigail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Tami, I am not a sauna expert in any way, just a regular reader on this list. I think that some of the objections come from personal reports of bad FIR experiences, and some from the fact that there seems to be a lot of unscientific marketing hype around FIR. FWIW, Andy does make an exception for the FIR saunas built by Heavenly Heat. What brand do you have? Sounds like a good one. Rene > > I have a question about this as well. But the infrared saunas relax me, make me > feel refreshed, unclog my mind, make me think clearer. I did do > research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar > wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where > this info comes from about it being unsafe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Sorry, I don't know. This is probably a good question for Bob . If he doesn't reply onlist you can reach him here http://heavenlyheatsaunas.com/ take care Rene > > Thanks for the tip Rene. > After reading awhile, it seems the biggest concern is that FIR > provides an uneven heat source. I'm wondering if the sauna is heated > up by the FIR units to the desired temp, then turned off (we are > starting with very short sessions anyway) - would this be considered > safer? Is there still a concern with the residual (if this exists)FIR > energy inside the sauna even with the units turned off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 > > I did do > > research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar > > wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where > > this info comes from about it being unsafe. It comes from the vast majority of people who get seduced by false marketing hype and end up with a plywood and chipboard, phenol/formaldehyde, lots of pine content sauna that distributes near infrared radiation in a very uneven pattern over their bodies. Of course the marketing hype says otherwise about all this. People who use these saunas do often get very sick from them. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 > > We own the High Tech Health FIR sauna which I believe is also made in such a way as to be " pure " in any off-gassing. That claim has certainly been made to me, but the ones I examined offgassed quite a bit. >It took a while for my son and me to begin sweating in it, which is said to often be true of mercury-toxic people. We do sweat now though! My understanding is that the sweat produced by FIR saunas has a higher proportion of toxins in it that the sweat from normal saunas. This is the kind of claim I know of no evidence to support and have a hard time not thinking we should pay more taxes to build some extra prison cells for the kind of people who make it. > In any event, we both sweat evenly over our bodies, so for us, unevenness doesn't seem to be an issue. I really appreciuate the low, gentle heat as well. > > Abigail > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 How do you be a minority then and get one that doesn't contain the plywood, chipboard, phenol/formaldehyde, and pine? Many seem to benefit greatly from infrared saunas. A negative reaction to an infrared sauna on this list doesn't seem to stand out from patient results in my opinion. Carolyn > > It comes from the vast majority of people who get seduced by false marketing hype and > end up with a plywood and chipboard, phenol/formaldehyde, lots of pine content sauna > that distributes near infrared radiation in a very uneven pattern over their bodies. Of > course the marketing hype says otherwise about all this. People who use these saunas do > often get very sick from them. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Or maybe it's because it's so effective that an appropriate protocol should be in place to absorb the toxins being released, such as what Dr Klinghardt recommends below. http://www.heavymetaldetox.net/Research%20Articles/Dr%20Dietrich% 20Klinghardt/index.htm " Sauna therapy Peer reviewed literature shows that sweating during sauna therapy eliminates high levels of toxic metals, organic compounds, dioxin, and other toxins. Sauna therapy is ideal to mobilize toxins from its hiding places. However, during a sauna, toxic metals can also be displaced from one body compartment into another. This means mercury can be shifted from the connective tissue into the brain. This untoward effect is completely prevented when the patient is on chlorella, cilantro and garlic. " My best, TamiW Gavin's mom > > > > I did do > > > research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar > > > wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where > > > this info comes from about it being unsafe. > > It comes from the vast majority of people who get seduced by false marketing hype and > end up with a plywood and chipboard, phenol/formaldehyde, lots of pine content sauna > that distributes near infrared radiation in a very uneven pattern over their bodies. Of > course the marketing hype says otherwise about all this. People who use these saunas do > often get very sick from them. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Hi Rene, We purchased ours from Sauna by Airwall. I'm not sure how our sauna rates but from what I could find back when I bought it, it appeared to be the least toxic. My sister put it together and she said all she needed was a screw driver. I love it because of how it makes us feel. I forgot to mention that I am a Type I diabetic. Sometimes when my blood sugar goes high, my fingers or toes can get tingly. This completely takes it away within 1 20 or 30 minute treatment. MB12 shots do the same thing for me. Thanks for your response. It's much appreciated. TamiW Gavin's mom > > > > I have a question about this as well. But the infrared saunas > relax me, make me > > feel refreshed, unclog my mind, make me think clearer. I did do > > research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar > > wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where > > this info comes from about it being unsafe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 My sauna did not even require a screwdriver. It uses magnets and metal u-shaped prongs to hold it together. It fit together like a puzzle (tongue in groove). No plywood here either. This company also had testing done of air samples within the sauna during operation that shows no increased levels of silicon, carbon or sulfur dioxide. [ ] Re: FIR Sauna--ANDY Or maybe it's because it's so effective that an appropriate protocol should be in place to absorb the toxins being released, such as what Dr Klinghardt recommends below. http://www.heavymetaldetox.net/Research%20Articles/Dr%20Dietrich% 20Klinghardt/index.htm " Sauna therapy Peer reviewed literature shows that sweating during sauna therapy eliminates high levels of toxic metals, organic compounds, dioxin, and other toxins. Sauna therapy is ideal to mobilize toxins from its hiding places. However, during a sauna, toxic metals can also be displaced from one body compartment into another. This means mercury can be shifted from the connective tissue into the brain. This untoward effect is completely prevented when the patient is on chlorella, cilantro and garlic. " My best, TamiW Gavin's mom > > > > I did do > > > research many years back to make sure I got the untreated poplar > > > wood, and it's put together with screws. I would love to know where > > > this info comes from about it being unsafe. > > It comes from the vast majority of people who get seduced by false marketing hype and > end up with a plywood and chipboard, phenol/formaldehyde, lots of pine content sauna > that distributes near infrared radiation in a very uneven pattern over their bodies. Of > course the marketing hype says otherwise about all this. People who use these saunas do > often get very sick from them. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 " Sawyer " <sawyerfamily@...> wrote: > My sauna did not even require a screwdriver. It uses magnets and metal u-shaped prongs to hold it together. It fit together like a puzzle (tongue in groove). No plywood here either. This company also had testing done of air samples within the sauna during operation that shows no increased levels of silicon, carbon or sulfur dioxide. > > > How the wall panels inter-join is never an issue when judging the construction of a sauna, but rather: whether the paneling boards are glued on or not, if there is concealed plywood or not, if varnish is used, and what the heater's electro-magnetic fields are, etc. The other problem is that several FIR sauna companies apparently have no qualms in verbally misrepresenting their products. We were at a recent conference where a sauna exhibitor was asked if they used glue, and the answer was that the walls joined with magnets. Sound familiar? Not only was this sauna obviously glued, but I noticed at least one sheet of what sure looked like plywood. This is really as unethical as can be - misrepresenting the safety of a product to doctors and parents where the well-being of young children is involved. This has become commonplace and I've warned about it before, but I assume that because I compete with these people, that my comments may be disregarded, which is really too bad. Was a laboratory copy of this company's air quality test provided to you, or were you just told the results? The chemicals that they say were not found are not what one would normally look for as toxic contaminants in the air of a sauna. Did they mention formaldehyde? For all I know, this was legit, but given the unscrupulous behavior in the marketplace, I'd at least be quite suspicious of this. Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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