Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Phosphatidylserine is supposed to help balance cortisol levels. [ ] cortisol levels My 6 year old just had cortisol testing done and I won't be able to speak to the Doctor for a couple of weeks. Here are his results: Hormones in saliva - Cortisol 8-10am 7.00 ref range- 1.44-6.84 cortisol 12-2pm 1.30 ref range- 0.30-1.91 Cortisol 5-8pm 1.07 ref range- 0.08-0.80 What does one do to control the out of reference ranges? Any help with these results would be appreciated. Thanks, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Licorice is an adaptogen. It helps to balance cortisol levels. -- > > My 6 year old just had cortisol testing done and I won't be able to > speak to the Doctor for a couple of weeks. > Here are his results: > > Hormones in saliva - > > Cortisol 8-10am 7.00 ref range- 1.44-6.84 > cortisol 12-2pm 1.30 ref range- 0.30-1.91 > Cortisol 5-8pm 1.07 ref range- 0.08-0.80 > > What does one do to control the out of reference ranges? > > Any help with these results would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Elderberry extract is also an adaptogen. Also, these levels do not look THAT high to me. Cortisol is supposed to be it's highest in the morning and these are only slightly out of range. [ ] Re: cortisol levels Licorice is an adaptogen. It helps to balance cortisol levels. -- > > My 6 year old just had cortisol testing done and I won't be able to > speak to the Doctor for a couple of weeks. > Here are his results: > > Hormones in saliva - > > Cortisol 8-10am 7.00 ref range- 1.44-6.84 > cortisol 12-2pm 1.30 ref range- 0.30-1.91 > Cortisol 5-8pm 1.07 ref range- 0.08-0.80 > > What does one do to control the out of reference ranges? > > Any help with these results would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Jen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Thanks , I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and why? The times on the test that are out of range are the times when he is most stimmy. hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Hmmm....well, cortisol wakes you up makes you pay attention, right? So that makes sense but still those levels are not that high unless he's sensitive to cortisol. I would still try the phosphatidylserine to see if balancing them could reduce the stims. I have always been afraid of licorice and what it does to the blood pressure and don't want to add another medical procedure to my repertoire by having to learn how to take a child's blood pressure. Might be just me, though. [ ] Re: cortisol levels Thanks , I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and why? The times on the test that are out of range are the times when he is most stimmy. hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 > > Thanks , > > I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and why? > > The times on the test that are out of range are the times when he is most > stimmy. > > hmm... Has he had a DDI hair test and what did it look like? The Ca, Mg, Na, and K can tell something about adrenal function. I think is right about those cortisol levels not being that high. I have seen a few adult saliva tests with cortisol levels at truly skyrocketing levels (not very often, but those are the people with true high cortisol and the symptoms that go with it). Seems to me like the cortisol levels you are seeing don't really explain the behavior. More likely it's adrenaline. If it is adrenaline, you'd want to be sure he's not getting tyrosine or phenylalanine in any supplements, since they can get turned into adrenaline. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 I uploaded his last hair test (Devon 2006) from July 2006. I would appreciate any and all comments, Thanks, Jen > > > > Thanks , > > > > I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and why? > > > > The times on the test that are out of range are the times when he is > most > > stimmy. > > > > hmm... > > > Has he had a DDI hair test and what did it look like? The Ca, Mg, > Na, and K can tell something about adrenal function. > > I think is right about those cortisol levels not being > that high. I have seen a few adult saliva tests with cortisol > levels at truly skyrocketing levels (not very often, but those > are the people with true high cortisol and the symptoms that go > with it). > > Seems to me like the cortisol levels you are seeing don't > really explain the behavior. More likely it's adrenaline. > > If it is adrenaline, you'd want to be sure he's not getting > tyrosine or phenylalanine in any supplements, since they > can get turned into adrenaline. > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 The hair test is nearly a year old, so things could have changed since then. It doesn't show the classic adrenal sign and the Na/Mg ratio is normal. The K/Ca is toward the upper end of its range. If you see any hyperthyroid symptoms, might be worth checking his thyroid. In case you didn't try lithium, it is worth trying. The test doesn't meet the counting rules, but does not look normal. Are you chelating him? The cortisol test is more recent and I think it does suggest he would benefit from adrenal support. Adrenal cortex extract is not enough for some, but worth a try. I think the phosphatidylserine and/or licorice could be really helpful. If you haven't seen them before, the " online self-tests " at this website can help you figure out what areas of brain function need help (adrenal problems can go along with brain issues). You will find suggestions for supplements, diet, etc: http://amenclinics.com/ac/ -- > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and why? > > > > > > The times on the test that are out of range are the times when he > is > > most > > > stimmy. > > > > > > hmm... > > > > > > Has he had a DDI hair test and what did it look like? The Ca, Mg, > > Na, and K can tell something about adrenal function. > > > > I think is right about those cortisol levels not being > > that high. I have seen a few adult saliva tests with cortisol > > levels at truly skyrocketing levels (not very often, but those > > are the people with true high cortisol and the symptoms that go > > with it). > > > > Seems to me like the cortisol levels you are seeing don't > > really explain the behavior. More likely it's adrenaline. > > > > If it is adrenaline, you'd want to be sure he's not getting > > tyrosine or phenylalanine in any supplements, since they > > can get turned into adrenaline. > > > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Thanks , You said - The test doesn't meet the counting rules, but does not look normal. What else looks off to you? I tried the lithium orate for a month, but not much changed. When I had this hair test done I thought for sure it would meet the counting rules, yet his urinary porphyrin testing showed strongly increased mercury and lead. What one should I go with? We have done all types of chelation including AC. Small gains from most then turning to regression after a short period of time. Great pulls on all except EDTA. > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > > > I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and why? > > > > > > > > The times on the test that are out of range are the times when he > > is > > > most > > > > stimmy. > > > > > > > > hmm... > > > > > > > > > Has he had a DDI hair test and what did it look like? The Ca, Mg, > > > Na, and K can tell something about adrenal function. > > > > > > I think is right about those cortisol levels not being > > > that high. I have seen a few adult saliva tests with cortisol > > > levels at truly skyrocketing levels (not very often, but those > > > are the people with true high cortisol and the symptoms that go > > > with it). > > > > > > Seems to me like the cortisol levels you are seeing don't > > > really explain the behavior. More likely it's adrenaline. > > > > > > If it is adrenaline, you'd want to be sure he's not getting > > > tyrosine or phenylalanine in any supplements, since they > > > can get turned into adrenaline. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Jen, The test doesn't look normal because the essentials are skewed to the left. It is not skewed enough to meet counting rule 1, but isenough to suggest that mineral transport is not normal. Alsoundetectable lithium often goes with a mercury problem. If your porphyrins results also support mercury toxicity, it seems you have a good basis for doing more chelation. Getting small gains when you start chelation is a good sign, even if you lose those gains for awhile. If the porphyrins test indicated lead, it is important to use DMSA. This will remove lead, mercury, as well as other toxic metals. EDTA makes mercury toxic people worse. You need to add ALA to chelate from the brain. Parents have noticed that kids with a low Ca/P ratio on the hair test (Devon's is quite low at .71) do better with more frequent dosing. You might want to try a shorter dosing interval to see if he tolerates chelation better. -- > > > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if over-stimmy coincides with cortisol levels and > why? > > > > > > > > > > The times on the test that are out of range are the times > when he > > > is > > > > most > > > > > stimmy. > > > > > > > > > > hmm... > > > > > > > > > > > > Has he had a DDI hair test and what did it look like? The Ca, > Mg, > > > > Na, and K can tell something about adrenal function. > > > > > > > > I think is right about those cortisol levels not being > > > > that high. I have seen a few adult saliva tests with cortisol > > > > levels at truly skyrocketing levels (not very often, but those > > > > are the people with true high cortisol and the symptoms that go > > > > with it). > > > > > > > > Seems to me like the cortisol levels you are seeing don't > > > > really explain the behavior. More likely it's adrenaline. > > > > > > > > If it is adrenaline, you'd want to be sure he's not getting > > > > tyrosine or phenylalanine in any supplements, since they > > > > can get turned into adrenaline. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I just looked at the normals the last time I had my cortisol level checked and it was the same. So those normals are not for dex suppression. Should my level be below 1.8 Post dex suppression? My cortisol last time was 23. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Cortisol levels My cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 I'm new to this group, and have been diagnosed with Cushing's,had surgery for pit tumor, and now have recurrence. I usually just read and don't say much.  There is a suspicion of an aldosterone problem with me, so am mainly reading for info and not saying anything. I'm learning a lot! Thank you.  I did want to speak to the dex test. That reference range is for cortisol without a dex suppression. The cutoff for low-dose and the two-day (higher dose) varies by doctor, but the concensus is usually 1.8 ug/dL which is equal to 50 nmol/L. Your response is much higher than that: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1222  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16915537?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum  http://home.comcast.net/~staticnrg/Cushings/DynamicTestingCushings.pdf  I hope all of you don't mind my intrusion.  Robin   On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, <cowdoc@...> wrote:  Thanks a I just didn't know if had gone down enough. my endo doc felt my cortisol was high even though it was within the normal range the last time it was checked. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: a Hall <shahall@...> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:37:53 -0800 (PST) <hyperaldosteronism > Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol levels  Dana,  Dr. Grim will have to verify this, but I think it's a normal, good result for your cortisol to go down on a dexamethsone suppression test. If it did not go down it would be indicative of a cortisol or ACTH producing tumor somewhere.  a From: cowdoc@... <cowdoc@...> Subject: Re: Cortisol levels " Primary hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 6:21 PM I just looked at the normals the last time I had my cortisol level checked and it was the same. So those normals are not for dex suppression. Should my level be below 1.8 Post dex suppression? My cortisol last time was 23. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Cortisol levelsMy cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Robin all input is appreciated - thanks for your response. Besides pituitary tumor from what I read an adrenal tumor can cause it also. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Robin S <staticnrg@...>Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:07:52 -0500<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol levels I'm new to this group, and have been diagnosed with Cushing's,had surgery for pit tumor, and now have recurrence. I usually just read and don't say much.  There is a suspicion of an aldosterone problem with me, so am mainly reading for info and not saying anything. I'm learning a lot! Thank you. I did want to speak to the dex test. That reference range is for cortisol without a dex suppression. The cutoff for low-dose and the two-day (higher dose) varies by doctor, but the concensus is usually 1.8 ug/dL which is equal to 50 nmol/L. Your response is much higher than that: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1222 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16915537?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum http://home.comcast.net/~staticnrg/Cushings/DynamicTestingCushings.pdf  I hope all of you don't mind my intrusion. Robin  On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Thanks a I just didn't know if had gone down enough. my endo doc felt my cortisol was high even though it was within the normal range the last time it was checked. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: a Hall <shahall > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:37:53 -0800 (PST)<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol levels Dana, Dr. Grim will have to verify this, but I think it's a normal, good result for your cortisol to go down on a dexamethsone suppression test. If it did not go down it would be indicative of a cortisol or ACTH producing tumor somewhere. aFrom: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Cortisol levels " Primary hyperaldosteronism " <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 6:21 PMI just looked at the normals the last time I had my cortisol level checked and it was the same. So those normals are not for dex suppression. Should my level be below 1.8 Post dex suppression? My cortisol last time was 23. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Cortisol levelsMy cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 That means1. You took the dex and 2. Your cortisol suppressed so you don't have Cushings or variant. Assume you don't look Cushingoid.3. Hope they did an aldo on the same blood sample to r/o GRA one of the inherited forms of PA. But your team has probably never seen a family with this. I have seen 2 families.CE Grim MD On Feb 7, 2010, at 5:08 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:My cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 Depends on the lab normals for dex suppressoin. So you will need to get them.CE Grim MDOn Feb 7, 2010, at 5:21 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:I just looked at the normals the last time I had my cortisol level checked and it was the same. So those normals are not for dex suppression. Should my level be below 1.8 Post dex suppression? My cortisol last time was 23. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Cortisol levelsMy cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 CowDr.Also need to be sure you took your Dex as instructed. What dose did you get and when did you take it?Robin: what makes them think there is also an aldo problem. Can happen in Cushing's but need details.CE Grim MDOn Feb 7, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Robin S wrote:I'm new to this group, and have been diagnosed with Cushing's,had surgery for pit tumor, and now have recurrence. I usually just read and don't say much. There is a suspicion of an aldosterone problem with me, so am mainly reading for info and not saying anything. I'm learning a lot! Thank you. I did want to speak to the dex test. That reference range is for cortisol without a dex suppression. The cutoff for low-dose and the two-day (higher dose) varies by doctor, but the concensus is usually 1.8 ug/dL which is equal to 50 nmol/L. Your response is much higher than that: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1222 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16915537?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum http://home.comcast.net/~staticnrg/Cushings/DynamicTestingCushings.pdf I hope all of you don't mind my intrusion. Robin On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Thanks a I just didn't know if had gone down enough. my endo doc felt my cortisol was high even though it was within the normal range the last time it was checked. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: a Hall <shahall >Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:37:53 -0800 (PST)<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol levels Dana, Dr. Grim will have to verify this, but I think it's a normal, good result for your cortisol to go down on a dexamethsone suppression test. If it did not go down it would be indicative of a cortisol or ACTH producing tumor somewhere. aFrom: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Cortisol levels"Primary hyperaldosteronism" <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 6:21 PMI just looked at the normals the last time I had my cortisol level checked and it was the same. So those normals are not for dex suppression. Should my level be below 1.8 Post dex suppression? My cortisol last time was 23. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Cortisol levelsMy cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2010 Report Share Posted February 7, 2010 That should be OK. Some will do 2 mg but first is a screen. But want to do what your team and lab uses.CE Grim On Feb 7, 2010, at 9:38 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:I was given 1mg tablet to be taken at 11 PM getting blood then the next morning at 8. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:35:26 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol levels CowDr.Also need to be sure you took your Dex as instructed. What dose did you get and when did you take it?Robin: what makes them think there is also an aldo problem. Can happen in Cushing's but need details.CE Grim MDOn Feb 7, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Robin S wrote:I'm new to this group, and have been diagnosed with Cushing's,had surgery for pit tumor, and now have recurrence. I usually just read and don't say much. There is a suspicion of an aldosterone problem with me, so am mainly reading for info and not saying anything. I'm learning a lot! Thank you. I did want to speak to the dex test. That reference range is for cortisol without a dex suppression. The cutoff for low-dose and the two-day (higher dose) varies by doctor, but the concensus is usually 1.8 ug/dL which is equal to 50 nmol/L. Your response is much higher than that: http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1222 htt! p://www. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16915537?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum http://home.comcast.net/~staticnrg/Cushings/DynamicTestingCushings.pdf I hope all of you don't mind my intrusion. Robin On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Thanks a I just didn't know if had gone down enough. my endo doc felt my cortisol was high even though it was within the normal range the last time it was checked. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: a Hall <shahall >Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:37:53 -0800 (PST)<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Re: Cortisol levels /span>Dana, Dr. Grim will have to verify this, but I think it's a normal, good result for your cortisol to go down on a dexamethsone suppression test. If it did not go down it would be indicative of a cortisol or ACTH producing tumor somewhere. aFrom: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Cortisol levels"Primary hyperaldosteronism" <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 6:21 PMI just looked at the normals the last time I had my cortisol level checked and it was the same. So those normals are not for dex suppression. Should my level be below 1.8 Post dex suppression? My cortisol last time was 23. Dana & nbs! p;Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Cortisol levelsMy cortisol level post Dex suppression was 4 (6-29) is there any significance to it being below the normal range? Hopefully I will get my other results the first of this coming week. Dana Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Thanks dr. Grim. I googled the drug,and noticed the hypothyroid effect.,I have hashis,so don't know. I can't post ranges,as I left my copies at my parents house in boston. I do know after acth stim,my pregnenolone went very high? My endo just did other testing,via blood,and my cortisol was higher,but still not high enough I guess to be treated? Referance ranges are so wide that its rediculouse! I am looking for herbs,ect,to lower it more naturaly. Any suggestions? Deb --aliano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Avoid the herbs Tiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Feb 9, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Deb <aliano@...> wrote: Thanks dr. Grim. I googled the drug,and noticed the hypothyroid effect.,I have hashis,so don't know. I can't post ranges,as I left my copies at my parents house in boston. I do know after acth stim,my pregnenolone went very high? My endo just did other testing,via blood,and my cortisol was higher,but still not high enough I guess to be treated? Referance ranges are so wide that its rediculouse! I am looking for herbs,ect,to lower it more naturaly. Any suggestions? Deb --aliano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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