Re: Help, son not sleeping after new supplements

April 13, 2007

What time of day are you giving the supps?

S S

From: anacat_11 [mailto: anacat_11@...]

Date: 13 Apr 2007 07:56:09 -0700, Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:45:17 -0000

Subject: [ ] Help, son not sleeping after new supplements

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Poor ds. He's so tired today he just whines at me. We stopped

Carlson's for kids Omega's because it has lemon in it (can't use

Berry Keen anymore either, because it has strawberries). Ds is

allergic to lemon and strawberries. I found an unflavored capsule of

borage, flax and molecularly distilled fish oil and I've been adding

that to the twins food for a few days, plus a new probiotic with:

lactobactillus rhamnosus

lactobactillus casei

lactobactillus acidophilus

bifidobacterium infantis

bifidobacterium bifidum

bifidobacterium breve

bifidobacterium longum

" May contain soy protein " .

Normally we avoid soy upon hearing that the protein can cause

morphinization just as casein or gluten. Is the " casei " in this

probiotic short for " casein " ?

I've stopped using it. He doesn't seem to wake up from the old

lactobactillus that I was using before, but I'd like a more complete

probiotic. Any recommendations?

Has anyone found omega supplements or probiotics causing sleep

problems? We're all getting droopy around here. We've linked the

waking-up-at-three-AM-to-play trend with food issues every time.

Otherwise he sleeps like a rock.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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April 13, 2007

EFA's can cause hyperness and should only be given in the morning.

It will keep them awake if they have too late in the day!!

Casei is usually casein, if they are casein free, find a probiotic

that does not contain any casein. Carlson's? Fish oil? Have you

checked the lab report on that one..it is not metal free like Nordic

Naturals. With so many allergies to flavoring, you might try flax

oil or flax seed. That you can mix into foods so no flavor is

needed. It also contains a metal free source of Omegas. I personally

am weary of fish oil unless I see a lab report that it does not

contain mercury. The borage and flax are ok.

Your right to avoid soy is an xenoestrogen and slows the thyroid.

>

> Poor ds. He's so tired today he just whines at me. We stopped

> Carlson's for kids Omega's because it has lemon in it (can't use

> Berry Keen anymore either, because it has strawberries). Ds is

> allergic to lemon and strawberries. I found an unflavored capsule

of

> borage, flax and molecularly distilled fish oil and I've been

adding

> that to the twins food for a few days, plus a new probiotic with:

>

> lactobactillus rhamnosus

> lactobactillus casei

> lactobactillus acidophilus

> bifidobacterium infantis

> bifidobacterium bifidum

> bifidobacterium breve

> bifidobacterium longum

>

> " May contain soy protein " .

>

> Normally we avoid soy upon hearing that the protein can cause

> morphinization just as casein or gluten. Is the " casei " in this

> probiotic short for " casein " ?

>

> I've stopped using it. He doesn't seem to wake up from the old

> lactobactillus that I was using before, but I'd like a more

complete

> probiotic. Any recommendations?

>

> Has anyone found omega supplements or probiotics causing sleep

> problems? We're all getting droopy around here. We've linked the

> waking-up-at-three-AM-to-play trend with food issues every time.

> Otherwise he sleeps like a rock.

>

> Thanks in advance for any help.

>

April 13, 2007

Lactobacillus casei is a bacteria species. I can not see how it would

have " casein " in it. I found a scientific article on the L. casei and

apparently one of the enzymes it makes is peptidase. So it is a

possiblity that its name comes from its ability to enzymatically break

down caesin protein and utilize it as a food source.

April 13, 2007

Carlson's? Fish oil? Have you

> checked the lab report on that one..it is not metal free like Nordic

> Naturals.

Jan, can you post a link for this please?

Thanks

Rene

April 13, 2007

I can't remember who had the information on it..I know it was one of

the guys that posts here. I just put out a post to see if anyone

remembers it or posting about it. I will check the archives...but I

do remember be clearly told that testing from a third party did not

reveal the same results as Carlson's claims.

I do apologize if I am misinformed...

> Carlson's? Fish oil? Have you

> > checked the lab report on that one..it is not metal free like

Nordic

> > Naturals.

>

> Jan, can you post a link for this please?

>

> Thanks

> Rene

>

April 14, 2007

Many probiotics are dairy-based.

S S

Lactobacillus casei is a bacteria species. I can not see how it

would

have " casein " in it. I found a scientific article on the L. casei and

apparently one of the enzymes it makes is peptidase. So it is a

possiblity that its name comes from its ability to enzymatically break

down caesin protein and utilize it as a food source.

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April 14, 2007

Thanks again everyone!

Better safe than sorry concerning the fish oil- I'd rather avoid it

now and get the real scoop. Can all necessary Omegas be gotten from

flax and borage? I tried Omega-enriched egg yolk (kids allergic to

egg white) but, nope, more wakey-wakeys and night terrors. I'll try

it once again to be sure it's causing sleep problems, but I'll have

to wait until we've all caught up on sleep again.

I can't add a single new item to the kids' menu unless I know dh and

I can " afford " a lost night's sleep. Familiar? Ack. Who was talking

recently about the involuntary reflex of cursing over these things?

I think their B's were not extremely compromised according to

testing and now I've added more beef to their diet and dark poultry,

so I think they're probably getting lots.

They probiotic turned out to have traces of- tada- milk protein.

Mystery solved. Amazing how little of that stuff they need to be

exposed to to throw the whole house upside down.

>

> Lactobacillus casei is a bacteria species. I can not

see how it would

> have " casein " in it. I found a scientific article on the L. casei

and

> apparently one of the enzymes it makes is peptidase. So it is a

> possiblity that its name comes from its ability to enzymatically

break

> down caesin protein and utilize it as a food source.

>

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April 14, 2007

> borage, flax and molecularly distilled fish oil and I've been adding

> that to the twins food for a few days,

Be sure to give this in the morning. It can cause sleep issues.

Dana

April 14, 2007

>>Can all necessary Omegas be gotten from

> flax and borage?

At first I thought so. My son did really well with flax oil, and not

very well on fish oil. But once I addressed mitochondrial issues and

he was fully loaded with flax oil, switching to fish oil produced

greater benefits.

> I can't add a single new item to the kids' menu unless I know dh and

> I can " afford " a lost night's sleep. Familiar? Ack.

Yep. Not fun, is it?

Dana

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