Re: I am really puzzled by my chelation

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Chelation is unpredictable and can vary with each round.

The ALA is an antioxidant to the liver, so you may be feeling

refreshed from an improvement in this area - that is a good thing.

Most naturopaths use ALA primarily for this reason, without

understanding the chelation part.

The yeast may or may not raise it's leary head, hoping for you that

it stays away. Keeping your diet in check is the best way of

supporting this.

I have had rounds where I have felt super-energised, and others

where I have felt vague. Keeping up the minerals/vitamins etc

throughout is a good way to keep yourself on the upper.

na

>

> I had begun chelating two weeks ago, but after only two days on the

> round I decided to stop because I wanted to check with my dentist

> first to be 100% absolutely sure there were no amalgam left over

under

> my composite fillings (which she checked through an x-ray and ruled

> that hypothesis out).

>

> So I resumed both mine and my brother's chelation yesterday (Monday)

> at 6:30pm. And I really do not understand how come I feel so good on

> the round. I didn't sleep so well tonight (light sleep, multiple

> waking ups to take/give pills) but I woke up feeling refreshed and

> well disposed and didn't feel sleepy during school.

> Another thing that is really puzzling me is the lack of yeast. Why

am

> I not getting yeasty? It is very strange that my daily gastric

> discomfort (gas, bloating) actually diminished when I started the

ALA.

> It just makes no sense at all! On my first semi-round I got some gas

> and bloating on the first 7 doses, but after that, the yeast was

gone too.

>

> Plus, I mentioned before that taking MB12 was making both my brother

> and I aggressive. But when I added ALA the aggressiveness went away

> and the " true " positive effects of MB12 can be seen on both of us

> (alertness, focus, energy, etc).

>

> I thought of everything that I could be doing wrong in the protocol

> and nothing came to mind. Besides the dentist having already cleared

> me of any amalgam residue, if I had any underlying Hg issue in my

> body, the round would be making me feel worse, not better. At the

> first time, I thought it could be just the excitement of having

> started it, but this second time this element is just not an excuse

to

> it.

>

> Am I so distracted that I can't even notice symptoms? It doesn't

make

> sense because in other situations this is exactly the opposite, I am

> actually very attentive to this kind of thing, to the " language of

the

> body " .

>

> Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening to me (and

not

> to the majority of people who chelate)? I'm afraid to be doing

> something wrong or missing out on something here. I've heard some

> people say they feel better on round, but no yeast? No yeast at all?

> This is just too strange.

>

> Any insight is deeply appreciated!

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

No real insight into your situation, but I just wanted to let you

know that I am very happy for you that it is going so well so far!

My son has often been better on than off, and I always thought it

must have something to do with sulfur metabolism issues, but not

sure. In any event, I do so hope things continue to go well for

you. Are they going as well for your brother?

Anne

>

> I had begun chelating two weeks ago, but after only two days on the

> round I decided to stop because I wanted to check with my dentist

> first to be 100% absolutely sure there were no amalgam left over

under

> my composite fillings (which she checked through an x-ray and ruled

> that hypothesis out).

>

> So I resumed both mine and my brother's chelation yesterday (Monday)

> at 6:30pm. And I really do not understand how come I feel so good on

> the round. I didn't sleep so well tonight (light sleep, multiple

> waking ups to take/give pills) but I woke up feeling refreshed and

> well disposed and didn't feel sleepy during school.

> Another thing that is really puzzling me is the lack of yeast. Why

am

> I not getting yeasty? It is very strange that my daily gastric

> discomfort (gas, bloating) actually diminished when I started the

ALA.

> It just makes no sense at all! On my first semi-round I got some gas

> and bloating on the first 7 doses, but after that, the yeast was

gone too.

>

> Plus, I mentioned before that taking MB12 was making both my brother

> and I aggressive. But when I added ALA the aggressiveness went away

> and the " true " positive effects of MB12 can be seen on both of us

> (alertness, focus, energy, etc).

>

> I thought of everything that I could be doing wrong in the protocol

> and nothing came to mind. Besides the dentist having already cleared

> me of any amalgam residue, if I had any underlying Hg issue in my

> body, the round would be making me feel worse, not better. At the

> first time, I thought it could be just the excitement of having

> started it, but this second time this element is just not an excuse

to

> it.

>

> Am I so distracted that I can't even notice symptoms? It doesn't

make

> sense because in other situations this is exactly the opposite, I am

> actually very attentive to this kind of thing, to the " language of

the

> body " .

>

> Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening to me (and

not

> to the majority of people who chelate)? I'm afraid to be doing

> something wrong or missing out on something here. I've heard some

> people say they feel better on round, but no yeast? No yeast at all?

> This is just too strange.

>

> Any insight is deeply appreciated!

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

> So I resumed both mine and my brother's chelation yesterday (Monday)

> at 6:30pm. And I really do not understand how come I feel so good on

> the round. I didn't sleep so well tonight (light sleep, multiple

> waking ups to take/give pills) but I woke up feeling refreshed and

> well disposed and didn't feel sleepy during school.

My son did better on round because he was mineral toxic, and the ALA

was pulling minerals as well as metals.

I have problems on round unless I take my minerals.

> Another thing that is really puzzling me is the lack of yeast. Why am

> I not getting yeasty?

My son did not get yeasty until about round 8. I, on the other hand,

developed yeast pretty much from the beginning.

> Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening to me (and not

> to the majority of people who chelate)? I'm afraid to be doing

> something wrong or missing out on something here. I've heard some

> people say they feel better on round, but no yeast? No yeast at all?

Wait for 10 rounds or so, see if you still have no yeast issues.

If you take biotin [or probiotics for some people], it might be the

reason the yeast is under control.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> I had begun chelating two weeks ago, but after only two days on the

> round I decided to stop because I wanted to check with my dentist

> first to be 100% absolutely sure there were no amalgam left over under

> my composite fillings (which she checked through an x-ray and ruled

> that hypothesis out).

>

> So I resumed both mine and my brother's chelation yesterday (Monday)

> at 6:30pm.

>And I really do not understand how come I feel so good on

> the round.

What dose are you taking and how frequently, which chelators?

This is quite common. Feeling crappy on the round is usually from

using too high a chelator dose or not taking enough support (like with

antioxidants and minerals).

Side effects often show up after the round stops. It can be as little

as a day or two of fatigue or it can be more significant.

No side effects (on round or after stopping) = dose may be too low

Side effects too difficult to cope with = dose is too high

> I didn't sleep so well tonight (light sleep, multiple

> waking ups to take/give pills) but I woke up feeling refreshed and

> well disposed and didn't feel sleepy during school.

> Another thing that is really puzzling me is the lack of yeast. Why am

> I not getting yeasty?

I have been chelating for over a year and a half and have not been

getting yeasty. Yeast is a common **topic on this group but it is not

necessarily problematic for everyone chelating, especially if they are

chelating at low frequent doses.

It is very strange that my daily gastric

> discomfort (gas, bloating) actually diminished when I started the ALA.

> It just makes no sense at all!

I don't see why it doesn't make sense?

On my first semi-round I got some gas

> and bloating on the first 7 doses, but after that, the yeast was

gone too.

>

Gas and bloating does not always indicate yeast. It has to do with

fermentation of what you are eating. Yeast are not the only organisms

that ferment, bacteria do too when provided the proper conditions.

> Plus, I mentioned before that taking MB12 was making both my brother

> and I aggressive. But when I added ALA the aggressiveness went away

> and the " true " positive effects of MB12 can be seen on both of us

> (alertness, focus, energy, etc).

>

> I thought of everything that I could be doing wrong in the protocol

> and nothing came to mind.

I don't understand why you think that there is something wrong with

what you are doing. It sounds like you are doing it right. Wait and

see what you feel like after the round stops.

When the dose is increased there will be a dose at which you will get

side effects.

Besides the dentist having already cleared

> me of any amalgam residue, if I had any underlying Hg issue in my

> body, the round would be making me feel worse, not better.

Not necessarily. I have *always felt better on round* with ALA, DMSA,

DMPS. It is after the round stops that I feel like hell. There is a

dose that is low enough that I will feel nothing and a dose that is

high enough I will feel like death warmed over.

At the

> first time, I thought it could be just the excitement of having

> started it, but this second time this element is just not an excuse to

> it.

>

> Am I so distracted that I can't even notice symptoms? It doesn't make

> sense because in other situations this is exactly the opposite, I am

> actually very attentive to this kind of thing, to the " language of the

> body " .

>

> Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening to me (and not

> to the majority of people who chelate)?

Many, many people feel better on round when chelating with Andy's

protocol.

I'm afraid to be doing

> something wrong or missing out on something here. I've heard some

> people say they feel better on round, but no yeast? No yeast at all?

Many, many people chelate away for years without complaining about yeast.

J

> This is just too strange.

>

> Any insight is deeply appreciated!

>

> a

>

[Guest guest]

>

> No real insight into your situation, but I just wanted to let you

> know that I am very happy for you that it is going so well so far!

> My son has often been better on than off, and I always thought it

> must have something to do with sulfur metabolism issues, but not

> sure. In any event, I do so hope things continue to go well for

> you. Are they going as well for your brother?

>

> Anne

Thank you Anne!

My brother is getting the more " traditional " reactions to chelation,

like yeast, and I'm keeping it under control with

probiotics/biotin/natural antifungal. He's not getting crazy yeast

though, just what I interpret to be more obvious signs of yeast

(headaches, rashes on his arms and mild acne on his face, bloating,

gas). But in general he is doing well, like myself. He is definately

much more alert and " out of his own world " , if you know what I mean.

More sociable. He's a little more talkative than normal, also, but I

think it's too soon to attribute all to 22 doses of ALA. I want to see

how he's going to be off round, though. If he regresses somehow, I'll

know that it's the metals getting re-settled into his tissues and then

I'll have the real dimension of what is happening on round.

But thanks for your good wishes and encouragement. =)

a

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/09/2007 00:32:20 GMT Standard Time,

untitled391@... writes:

- A Multi vitamin and mineral (I know these are kinda frowned upon,

but I chose it because in terms of budget and convenience it just

makes sense to us), which gives us 400mcg selenium, 120mg zinc, 400mg

magnesium, 400mcg molybdenum, 20.000IU Vit A, 400IU Vit E, plus all B's

>>thats an awful lot of Selenium - I think the max recommneded dose is

usually 200mcg per day

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

> What dose are you taking and how frequently, which chelators?

I'm taking 25mg ALA every two hours. I intend to add DMSA later.

> This is quite common. Feeling crappy on the round is usually from

> using too high a chelator dose or not taking enough support (like with

> antioxidants and minerals).

This is what we're taking:

- A Multi vitamin and mineral (I know these are kinda frowned upon,

but I chose it because in terms of budget and convenience it just

makes sense to us), which gives us 400mcg selenium, 120mg zinc, 400mg

magnesium, 400mcg molybdenum, 20.000IU Vit A, 400IU Vit E, plus all B's

- Vitamin C 1g 4x/day

- Magnesium 150mg + Zinc 20mg 4x/day

- L-Carnitine 900mg 4x/day

- MB12 1mg 4x/day (going to decrease it to 3mg/day due to some

irritability issues)

- DMAE

- Pro-biotics (L. acidophilus)

- Liver support

Ah, do tell me if I'm missing something important!

> Side effects often show up after the round stops. It can be as little

> as a day or two of fatigue or it can be more significant.

>

> No side effects (on round or after stopping) = dose may be too low

>

> Side effects too difficult to cope with = dose is too high

What exactly would these side-effects be? Because as far as I can

tell, I'm having no side effects whatsoever now that I'm off the

round. I'm a little cranky, but I am usually cranky... I have a little

mind fog, but I've had mind fog for 4 years (since my amalgam was

placed when I was 16). I am also a little anti-social, but I go

through periods of feeling like I don't want to talk or see people

anyway. So I don't know if these would qualify as side-effects or if

you mean something more on the physical side of things, which I am not

feeling at all.

> I don't see why it doesn't make sense?

Oh well, to me it doesn't make sense because ALA is supposed to stirr

up those toxic metals which cause yeast flare ups. Having ALA diminish

my gastric discomfort is a lot stranger than having it not make any

difference at all.

> Gas and bloating does not always indicate yeast. It has to do with

> fermentation of what you are eating. Yeast are not the only organisms

> that ferment, bacteria do too when provided the proper conditions.

Could the probiotics we're taking be causing these things to my

brother? Because he is having these symptoms.

> I don't understand why you think that there is something wrong with

> what you are doing. It sounds like you are doing it right.

Well, I'm glad it sounds like I'm doing it all right. I just find it

very strange that through all the time I've been on this list the

majority of testimonials I've read reported bad/nasty side effects of

all sorts and nature.

>Wait and

> see what you feel like after the round stops.

Like I said, I don't think they exist and if they do, they suck at

letting me know they're here, lol

> When the dose is increased there will be a dose at which you will get

> side effects.

25mg is considered not-so-low a dose in this list, so I'm afraid of

upping it. Plus, at what rate should I up the chelator?

> Not necessarily. I have *always felt better on round* with ALA, DMSA,

> DMPS. It is after the round stops that I feel like hell.

No, no, I meant if I still had any amalgam or residue left on my teeth

the chelation would be making me feel worse, not better. That's what I

meant.

>There is a

> dose that is low enough that I will feel nothing and a dose that is

> high enough I will feel like death warmed over.

So, if I'm not feeling anything, does it mean that 25mg is too low for

me? I mean, I weigh 115 pounds, which is not so much, I can only up

the dose till 50mg.

Thanks for everyone's insights!

a

[Guest guest]

> Oh well, to me it doesn't make sense because ALA is supposed to stirr

> up those toxic metals which cause yeast flare ups. Having ALA diminish

> my gastric discomfort is a lot stranger than having it not make any

> difference at all.

ALA eliminated my gastric discomfort issues, and several other issues,

because it eliminated my food intolerance issues.

> Could the probiotics we're taking be causing these things to my

> brother? Because he is having these symptoms.

My son never really did tolerate probiotics. I used biotin instead.

> 25mg is considered not-so-low a dose in this list, so I'm afraid of

> upping it. Plus, at what rate should I up the chelator?

I increased the dose when my son went 5 rounds without showing any

improvements.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> >>thats an awful lot of Selenium - I think the max recommneded dose is

> usually 200mcg per day

>

> Mandi in UK

>

Hmm, I used to think so too, but I read on the files here " The

National Academies of Science established an UL of 400 mcg/day for

selenium " and on a previous post, I asked if it was okay to ingest

400mcg selenium/day and Cutler said that selenium is okay for

up to 500mcg/day.

So... I do know it's not a little selenium so I'm keeping my heads up

for any toxicity symptoms.

Since we're Hg toxic, I do want to have enough selenium to do its

normal job + bind to the excess Hg being moved around by chelation.

a

[Guest guest]

> Hmm, I used to think so too, but I read on the files here " The

> National Academies of Science established an UL of 400 mcg/day for

> selenium " and on a previous post, I asked if it was okay to ingest

> 400mcg selenium/day and Cutler said that selenium is okay for

> up to 500mcg/day.

During my ALA days, I have to take 400mcg selenium and molybdenum to

keep from waking up every 2-3 hours to use the bathroom. On non-ALA

days, 200mcg will accomplish that goal.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> During my ALA days, I have to take 400mcg selenium and molybdenum to

> keep from waking up every 2-3 hours to use the bathroom. On non-ALA

> days, 200mcg will accomplish that goal.

>

> Dana

You know what, that is a good idea. On ALA days I'll take those

400mcg, which is 4 tablets, and on off days I'll reduce the amount to

2 tablets per day.

Thanks Dana,

a