son just got diagnosed with aspergers help please

[Guest guest]

Lady Jane,

I know this is hard but relax. Try to get the book Children with Starving

Brains by J. McCandless. This book will help you navigate the biomedical

approach to recovery for you son. Some sites that you may find of interest as

well...

www.greatplainslaboratory.com

www.generationrescue.org

www.danasview.com/org (I forget if she is org or com).

Your son should be able to get special education services through your school

system. IEP working on social skills would be beneficial.

Autism Research Institute has a list of doctors who specialize in the Autism

spectrum disorders.

Help is here...but each child is different so you will be doing a lot of

reading..it is important to find a doctor that will work with you...

Kath in VA

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[Guest guest]

hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having aspergers

we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at what

i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

it???????? he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time with

having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school from

the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he was

just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information on

this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting his

intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned that

on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed in

feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always reminded

me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never thought he

could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what this

is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being ridiculous

and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a normal

kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know something

isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he does

hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

[Guest guest]

In response to the mother-in-law reaction, hang in there. My mother-

in-law came around when she saw the dramatic difference in our son

after we started diet changes and omega fatty acids. Prior to that,

she told us we needed to get him around more kids (and he was around

other children). After the improvements following diet changes, she

told me she always thought something was wrong. LOL. But she has

become a great supporter and helped me with ideas for cooking for

our son. It will get better. Whether the diagnosis is accurate or

not, look to the autism community for solutions to help your son

feel better and get along better. Our family is so much healthier

for it.

Best wishes,

>

> hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

aspergers

> we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

what

> i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> it???????? he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

> unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time with

> having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

from

> the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he was

> just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

on

> this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

his

> intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

that

> on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed in

> feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

reminded

> me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never thought

he

> could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

this

> is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being ridiculous

> and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a normal

> kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

something

> isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

does

> hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

> then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list. Comments interspersed.

S S

>

> hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

aspergers

> we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

what

> i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> it???????? he is 5 yrs old

*Did he recently have 5 year vaccines? Which ones? Did the anger issue start

after the vaccines? Does he have any mercury amalgam dental fillings?

me and my hubby are very confused and

> unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time with

> having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

from

> the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem

*Tell us a bit more than this. What triggers it? Certain noises or smells? Do

his anger issues tend to be around transition times or around certain people?

More at school or at home, around other children or adults, after eating certain

foods (what's his diet like?), when he's told " no " ?

which he was

> just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

on

> this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

his

> intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

that

> on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed in

> feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

reminded

> me of a child with autism but he can talk to me

*Can he talk to others so they understand him?

so i never thought

he

> could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

this

> is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being ridiculous

> and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a normal

> kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

something

> isnt right

*Probably metal toxicity which looks like autism/Aspergers. Consider having a

DDI hair elements test done and counting rules applied. You can order one

without a doc (more complicated if you live in NYS) through Direct Lab Services

and will get a discount if you mention this list.

i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

does

> hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings

*since what age?

and

> then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

>

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>Hello i know this is a very difficult time for you . all the advice

you got here is good.. try take some consolation in that your son

appears very mild with some issues, but with the right

investigations to discover what is causing his problems and the

right treatment for those abnormalities your son could be back on

track in no time..The fact that you are already on this discussion

board is a great start, Best of luck..

> Lady Jane,

>

> I know this is hard but relax. Try to get the book Children with

Starving

> Brains by J. McCandless. This book will help you navigate the

biomedical

> approach to recovery for you son. Some sites that you may find of

interest as

> well...

>

> www.greatplainslaboratory.com

> www.generationrescue.org

> www.danasview.com/org (I forget if she is org or com).

>

> Your son should be able to get special education services through

your school

> system. IEP working on social skills would be beneficial.

>

> Autism Research Institute has a list of doctors who specialize in

the Autism

> spectrum disorders.

>

> Help is here...but each child is different so you will be doing a

lot of

> reading..it is important to find a doctor that will work with

you...

>

> Kath in VA

>

>

>

> **************************************

> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Something sounds fishy about this psychiatrist. I think you should

consider getting a second opinion. And try testing for metals as

well. In the files are articles on urinary porphyrin testing

(involves sending urine samples through a simple process to a Paris

lab. There's an American lab which just started testing for it:

Great Plains Lab, I believe). And then, the preferred testing for

this discussion group is the DDI hair test and " counting rules "

which most people have done (also in files).

Is this the psychiatrist who prescribed the Risperdal? If so, be

aware that some psychiatrists will diagnose a child with anything if

it justifies giving the child certain expensive drugs. They get

kickback for it. Now that Risperdal has been approved for children

with " ASD symptoms " (it appears they don't even have to be

officially diagnosed- someone just subjectively feels they

have " symptoms " ), I have a creepy feeling that many children will

suddenly be misdiagnosed with spectrum disorders. Not to say that

your son might now be injured by toxins and displaying some

behaviors, but there's also a chance that he's not.

Bear in mind that some gifted children throw enormous tantrums. Read

some biographies of Einstein for example. Einstein used to throw

things and scared off tutors before he was seven. Gifted kids also

may have delayed social development and narrow interests. Again, I

don't know your son but there are several different views to

consider.

If this psychiatrist did not prescribe the Risperdal and was meeting

your boy for the first time, the Dr. may have been interpreting drug

side effects for signs of the disorder. I've read several studies

showing that Ritalin and certain other psychiatric drugs can

cause " autistic-like " behaviors in some children, including

repetitive, mechanical behavior and repetitive speech, reduction in

eye contact, etc.. Go to www.breggin.com for breakdowns of some drug

side effects.

All the same, this doesn't mean your son may not have been effected

by toxins, though. It's possible. Lead and mercury poisoning are

very common, especially subclinical levels where the toxins sink

deep into bones or brain or other organs and no longer shows in

direct urine or blood tests. Lead and mercury poisoning can cause

irritibility and autistic-like behaviors, like everyone here is

saying.

If you test for these metals and start reading up on chemical

injuries, one thing many here will suggest is trying out the casein-

free, gluten-free diet in the meantime to see what happens. You may

not need the medications at all in order to reduce the tantrums or

angry behavior- the medication may, in fact, get in the way of being

able to see if the GF/CF diet is doing any good. It's your call.

What many parents seem to be finding is that behavioral improvements

in some children can be quite radical just from the restricted diet

alone.

There are a few theories on why the diet works which make sense.

Mercury and other vaccine components are hypothesized to cause

increased permeability in certain barrier membranes in the body,

theoretically allowing unprocessed food proteins into the brain. The

brain is not designed to metabolize whole proteins and will react

badly. The casein from milk and gluten are converted into morphine-

like substances in the brain, leading to " drugged " behavior,

including the " drug addict's " angry-backlash as the brain and body

develop tolerance to the morphinization. In support of this theory,

thousands of parents have found that the diet works and researchers

did find elevated levels of casomorphin (the morphine like substance

from which casein is converted) and gliadorphin (morphine-like

substance from which gluten is converted) in the cerebrospinal fluid

of some kids in amounts which exceeded what the brain could have

produced on its own.

We never gave our kids cow's milk until they were two and a half.

Immediately after we gave them milk and icecream, some autistic-like

behaviors began in our son and our daughter's mood swings went

through the roof. Our previously perfectly gentle son began to act

out, too- kicking, scratching, etc. It was much too rapid a change

to just be " the terrible twos " - he was miserable. We went GF/CF

(Gluten-free/dairy-free) and they were better than ever. We believe

their language delay was caused by vaccine-injury, but drinking milk

pushed our son into ASD-like behavior. Putting them on GF/CF

also " saved " them from extraneous diagnoses and their language

development took off so fast that we were shocked. Our daughter most

certainly would have been misdiagnosed with a slew of useless

psychiatric labels had she continued consuming dairy (and to a

lesser degree, gluten). Our son would have regressed terribly if it

weren't for the diet. Now the " genes only " evaluators are telling us

that our kids just have inherited language delays, not autism. We

believe the truth is more in the middle: that sure they're bright

and engaged, but they're also poisoned.

I don't think that language delay or classic regressive autism are

the only conditions which can benefit from GF/CF. It could work for

the " version of mercury poisoning " currently labeled asperger's as

well.

Our kids' urinary porphyrin testing came back positive for mercury.

We suspected that it was low level poisoning and this was confirmed.

They also had one subclinical blood lead level which came back

higher than we would have liked and we've considered that that lead

is now in their brains and bones, along with some mercury. We're

pursuing the idea of chelation very carefully.

I wish you luck.

> >

> > hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

> aspergers

> > we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

> what

> > i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> > it???????? he is 5 yrs old

>

> *Did he recently have 5 year vaccines? Which ones? Did the

anger issue start after the vaccines? Does he have any mercury

amalgam dental fillings?

>

> me and my hubby are very confused and

> > unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time

with

> > having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

> from

> > the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem

>

> *Tell us a bit more than this. What triggers it? Certain noises

or smells? Do his anger issues tend to be around transition times

or around certain people? More at school or at home, around other

children or adults, after eating certain foods (what's his diet

like?), when he's told " no " ?

>

> which he was

> > just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more

information

> on

> > this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

> his

> > intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> > levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

> that

> > on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed

in

> > feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

> reminded

> > me of a child with autism but he can talk to me

>

> *Can he talk to others so they understand him?

>

> so i never thought

> he

> > could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

> this

> > is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being

ridiculous

> > and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a

normal

> > kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

> something

> > isnt right

>

> *Probably metal toxicity which looks like autism/Aspergers.

Consider having a DDI hair elements test done and counting rules

applied. You can order one without a doc (more complicated if you

live in NYS) through Direct Lab Services and will get a discount if

you mention this list.

>

> i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> > good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

> does

> > hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings

>

> *since what age?

>

> and

> > then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Get a second opinion from an experienced PhD or MD.

Where do you live? Are you willing to travel short distances to find

a good fit?

Your psychiatrist might still be right, but I think you should find a

better evaluation.... IF you want a diagnosis.

Pam

>

> hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

aspergers

> we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

what

> i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> it???????? he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

> unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time with

> having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

from

> the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he was

> just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

on

> this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

his

> intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

that

> on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed in

> feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

reminded

> me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never thought

he

> could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

this

> is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being ridiculous

> and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a normal

> kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know something

> isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he does

> hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

> then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

>

[Guest guest]

thank you all for replying no he didnt have his vaccines recently he was all

caught up at the start of kindergarten in august and no dental fillings another

thing he wouldnt drink milk for a very long time he would take a little and

throw it all up when he was a baby and he had to be on isomil because the

regular formula would make him throw up very interesting and yes this is the

pyschiatrist that we seen one time who put him on the medicine not knowing any

of this i didnt know what to do i just want him to be able to socialize and do

better in school he almost failed kindergarten because he wont do his work it

takes him two hours to do the work that the other kids do in 10 minutes yet he

is capable of doing the work like they are he just wont sit and do it someone

has to sit there and tell him over and over again you need to concentrate on

your work arent you supposed to be doing this work and then sometimes it gets

sent home and takes me hours to get him to focus the

school said if this doesnt get taken care of he will fall behind in 1st grade

because he wont have one on one they wont do that in 1st grade yet he is in the

talented and gifted class and extremely smart and i think that it would be

unfair for him to fall behind i m going to talk to a dr about getting him tested

for the things you told me about and the diets you are talking about it kinda

makes sense that it could be something like that since he always gets sick when

he eats ice cream or drinks milk and i do too thats why i assumed that it was

just lactose intolerance thank you for all your responses definitely has helped

Janie

anacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote:

Something sounds fishy about this psychiatrist. I think you should

consider getting a second opinion. And try testing for metals as

well. In the files are articles on urinary porphyrin testing

(involves sending urine samples through a simple process to a Paris

lab. There's an American lab which just started testing for it:

Great Plains Lab, I believe). And then, the preferred testing for

this discussion group is the DDI hair test and " counting rules "

which most people have done (also in files).

Is this the psychiatrist who prescribed the Risperdal? If so, be

aware that some psychiatrists will diagnose a child with anything if

it justifies giving the child certain expensive drugs. They get

kickback for it. Now that Risperdal has been approved for children

with " ASD symptoms " (it appears they don't even have to be

officially diagnosed- someone just subjectively feels they

have " symptoms " ), I have a creepy feeling that many children will

suddenly be misdiagnosed with spectrum disorders. Not to say that

your son might now be injured by toxins and displaying some

behaviors, but there's also a chance that he's not.

Bear in mind that some gifted children throw enormous tantrums. Read

some biographies of Einstein for example. Einstein used to throw

things and scared off tutors before he was seven. Gifted kids also

may have delayed social development and narrow interests. Again, I

don't know your son but there are several different views to

consider.

If this psychiatrist did not prescribe the Risperdal and was meeting

your boy for the first time, the Dr. may have been interpreting drug

side effects for signs of the disorder. I've read several studies

showing that Ritalin and certain other psychiatric drugs can

cause " autistic-like " behaviors in some children, including

repetitive, mechanical behavior and repetitive speech, reduction in

eye contact, etc.. Go to www.breggin.com for breakdowns of some drug

side effects.

All the same, this doesn't mean your son may not have been effected

by toxins, though. It's possible. Lead and mercury poisoning are

very common, especially subclinical levels where the toxins sink

deep into bones or brain or other organs and no longer shows in

direct urine or blood tests. Lead and mercury poisoning can cause

irritibility and autistic-like behaviors, like everyone here is

saying.

If you test for these metals and start reading up on chemical

injuries, one thing many here will suggest is trying out the casein-

free, gluten-free diet in the meantime to see what happens. You may

not need the medications at all in order to reduce the tantrums or

angry behavior- the medication may, in fact, get in the way of being

able to see if the GF/CF diet is doing any good. It's your call.

What many parents seem to be finding is that behavioral improvements

in some children can be quite radical just from the restricted diet

alone.

There are a few theories on why the diet works which make sense.

Mercury and other vaccine components are hypothesized to cause

increased permeability in certain barrier membranes in the body,

theoretically allowing unprocessed food proteins into the brain. The

brain is not designed to metabolize whole proteins and will react

badly. The casein from milk and gluten are converted into morphine-

like substances in the brain, leading to " drugged " behavior,

including the " drug addict's " angry-backlash as the brain and body

develop tolerance to the morphinization. In support of this theory,

thousands of parents have found that the diet works and researchers

did find elevated levels of casomorphin (the morphine like substance

from which casein is converted) and gliadorphin (morphine-like

substance from which gluten is converted) in the cerebrospinal fluid

of some kids in amounts which exceeded what the brain could have

produced on its own.

We never gave our kids cow's milk until they were two and a half.

Immediately after we gave them milk and icecream, some autistic-like

behaviors began in our son and our daughter's mood swings went

through the roof. Our previously perfectly gentle son began to act

out, too- kicking, scratching, etc. It was much too rapid a change

to just be " the terrible twos " - he was miserable. We went GF/CF

(Gluten-free/dairy-free) and they were better than ever. We believe

their language delay was caused by vaccine-injury, but drinking milk

pushed our son into ASD-like behavior. Putting them on GF/CF

also " saved " them from extraneous diagnoses and their language

development took off so fast that we were shocked. Our daughter most

certainly would have been misdiagnosed with a slew of useless

psychiatric labels had she continued consuming dairy (and to a

lesser degree, gluten). Our son would have regressed terribly if it

weren't for the diet. Now the " genes only " evaluators are telling us

that our kids just have inherited language delays, not autism. We

believe the truth is more in the middle: that sure they're bright

and engaged, but they're also poisoned.

I don't think that language delay or classic regressive autism are

the only conditions which can benefit from GF/CF. It could work for

the " version of mercury poisoning " currently labeled asperger's as

well.

Our kids' urinary porphyrin testing came back positive for mercury.

We suspected that it was low level poisoning and this was confirmed.

They also had one subclinical blood lead level which came back

higher than we would have liked and we've considered that that lead

is now in their brains and bones, along with some mercury. We're

pursuing the idea of chelation very carefully.

I wish you luck.

> >

> > hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

> aspergers

> > we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

> what

> > i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> > it???????? he is 5 yrs old

>

> *Did he recently have 5 year vaccines? Which ones? Did the

anger issue start after the vaccines? Does he have any mercury

amalgam dental fillings?

>

> me and my hubby are very confused and

> > unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time

with

> > having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

> from

> > the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem

>

> *Tell us a bit more than this. What triggers it? Certain noises

or smells? Do his anger issues tend to be around transition times

or around certain people? More at school or at home, around other

children or adults, after eating certain foods (what's his diet

like?), when he's told " no " ?

>

> which he was

> > just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more

information

> on

> > this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

> his

> > intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> > levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

> that

> > on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed

in

> > feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

> reminded

> > me of a child with autism but he can talk to me

>

> *Can he talk to others so they understand him?

>

> so i never thought

> he

> > could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

> this

> > is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being

ridiculous

> > and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a

normal

> > kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

> something

> > isnt right

>

> *Probably metal toxicity which looks like autism/Aspergers.

Consider having a DDI hair elements test done and counting rules

applied. You can order one without a doc (more complicated if you

live in NYS) through Direct Lab Services and will get a discount if

you mention this list.

>

> i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> > good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

> does

> > hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings

>

> *since what age?

>

> and

> > then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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If he needs a one-on-one that should be written into his IEP. My brother and

SIL had to get a lawyer involved to get what my nephew needed written into his

IEP. If I were you, I would definitely try the GFCF diet.

S S

the

school said if this doesnt get taken care of he will fall behind in 1st grade

because he wont have one on one they wont do that in 1st grade yet he is in the

talented and gifted class and extremely smart and i think that it would be

unfair for him to fall behind i m going to talk to a dr about getting him tested

for the things you told me about and the diets you are talking about it kinda

makes sense that it could be something like that since he always gets sick when

he eats ice cream or drinks milk and i do too thats why i assumed that it was

just lactose intolerance thank you for all your responses definitely has helped

Janie

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It is very unlikely that your present mainstream doctors will help

you with these issues. If your son is mercury poisoned, it could

have been mercury from the very vaccines that they recommend, so

they will not admit this nor encourage you to investigate this on

your own. They may even lecture you angrily for even considering it.

They are unlikely to know anything about GF/CF diet or its benefits.

Again, since the recommendations for GF/CF came from the research

community which made the connection between vaccine-injuries and

food intolerances, your current doctors are unlikely to encourage

you to pursue information on this.

They will not order porphyrin testing or hair analysis. These tests

look for indirect " biomarkers " of mercury and other toxic metals

(antimony, arsenic, etc.). There's a pattern of minerals in hair and

a pattern of enzymes in urine which are specific to certain types of

poisoning, though the metals themselves- if present- may already be

absorbed into organs, brain and bones. You can order these tests

yourself in most states, though some require a doctor's referral.

For this, you can go to doctor who specializes in vaccine injury or

a " DAN " doctor. For a list, see the Generation Rescue website and

check out referrals for your state or write to a " rescue angel " in

your state. These doctors are expensive and often not covered by

insurance, but it may be worth at least one visit to make sure you

get the proper testing done.

Be aware that some DAN doctors prescribe psychiatric medications.

Some people agree with this practice, others question it. On this

list, not everything that DAN doctors do or say is taken as

religious edict. There are some disagreements with DAN protocols,

though there are many areas of agreement, too. You'll still have to

do all your own reading and question absolutely everything. Keep

your own counsel, think for yourself after you've truly sorted

through the best information available. No one in the world has your

child's best interests at heart more than you.

Read the book " Evidence of Harm " by Kirby. Autism is the tip

of the iceberg as far as the range of damages and behavioral

manifestations from vaccine-injuries. There can be very subtle

effects as well that do not involve diminished IQ. The book gets

into why you aren't being told this by the newspapers and regular

doctors.

He's in the talented and gifted class? Something's really, really

wrong with what these doctors are doing to your child. There really

should have been much more effort on the part of these doctors to

rule out all possible medical causes for his behavior, plus

environmental causes- including the emotional environment in his

school. Also, the pressure the school is putting on you is

disgusting. They should be trying to find what changes in the school

environment may be hindering him. For this, read Dr. Breggin's

book on the school system and overdiagnoses and drugging of

kids: " Reclaiming Our Children " . This book doesn't really get into

alternative medical treatments, though it does mention that

subclinical lead poisoning can cause behavior difficulties in

children, making the issue a *medical* issue, not a psychiatric

issue (there's a big difference). And view the Null film: " The

Drugging of Our Children " :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3609599239524875493

Again, I'm not saying there may not be an underlying issue of

toxicity, but just to be sure that you're aware of all the different

schools of thought on what could be going on with your child, you

should know that gifted children are famously alienated in certain

school settings and may only really relate to a very small

percentage of their peers, can engage in particularly awful tantrums

in childhood, may live in their own world, have their own special

interests, etc. (see the movie " Little Man Tate " for an interesting

view on the extremes of this). If you can afford it, consider

private education like Waldorf. Most people can't afford schools

like that, but sometimes Quaker schools are not as quick to try to

diagnose children and may give more meaningful individualized

attention. It really, really depends on the school and staff. Gifted

kids can tend to be underacheivers as well: as they find little to

relate to in the curriculum and among their peers, some find the

pressure to perform perfectly so overwhelming to compensate for

their dubious social position that they just give up. For a site

giving an interesting overview of why some children can be

emotionally unsettled, see the Wikipedia article on " Theory of

Positive Disintegration " . Gifted children are reported to be

consistently misdiagnosed with ADHD and other questionable fad

disorders.

Risperdal is a very dangerous and extreme drug for a five year old

to be on. The attorneys general of nine states are now suing drug

companies for bankrupting medicaid programs by peddling these drugs

for use on children (to disastrous results in many cases), though

many drug companies wiggled their way around the illegality of off-

label promotion (previously, these drugs were not approved for use

on children) by getting the drugs approved for use on children with

ASD symptoms, as I mentioned previously. There have been enormous

class action suits against the makers of Risperdal and Zyprexa (same

class of drug) for causing deaths and diabetes and tardives

dyskinesia or TD (partly because of vaccine-injury and partly

because of the enormous rates of TD, drugs for movement disorders

have become the second most popular drugs prescribed to children

below five). The drug companies were forced to settle for billions

(go to http://www.psychrights.org and look up " Zyprexa " ) Though the

prescribing doctor will not admit to this, the rate of severe side

effects among children is astronomical from second generation

antipsychotics- really from all the psychiatric drugs. Do go to

Breggin's site (http://www.breggin.com) and read as many articles as

you can stomach. It's hard reading this stuff, but it will help you

to understand the risks to your child and can also help you to have

skepticism towards what these doctors are telling you.

Be aware that withdrawal from any psychiatric drug can be dangerous

and you need professional supervision for it. This is not a

directive to withdraw your child- this is your choice- but just in

case you wish to do so, given the information on the drugs, be sure

to do it carefully and with professional oversight. Your current

psychiatrist will fight you if you ask to have your child removed

from the drug and may not help you to do it safely. Some mainstream

psychiatrists and doctors are very sneaky about it, so be warned:

even if they agree to withdraw the child, they can recommend an

unsafe schedule of withdrawal by withdrawing the child too quickly

and without warning that the child could have adverse reactions-

even withdrawal psychosis- up to a month after withdrawal. Some know

that the parents will run back in fear, begging to have their child

put back on the drug, misunderstanding that the reaction is due to

withdrawal and not to some " underlying psychiatric condition " . This

may seem a paranoid way to look at it, but I've known many people to

whom it's happened and it's documented in lawsuits and research

that some doctors do this. To get more information and links on

professionals who can oversee and monitor withdrawal, go to:

http://www.icspp.org ( " International Center for the Study of

Psychiatry and Psychology " )and search through the " places to get

help " links. Also look at the " contact us " page and email the

regional director located closest to where you live. Ask for a

referral to a psychiatrist in your area. This is thirty-year old

organization which has devoted itself to educating the public about

the effects of these drugs on children in particular. The membership

is professional mental health workers who don't believe in drugging

kids. They range in background from psychiatric social workers to

Harvard trained psychiatrists. One board member is an anti-

thimerosal activist as well.

ASD/Aspergers (otherwise known as " environmentally poisoned " )

children can be very gifted- they quite frequently are to the point

that many vaccine-toxin researchers have suggested that there may be

some correlation between high intelligence and susceptiblity to

mercury poisoning and other toxins. The " genetic " theories of ASD

describe the disorder as " naturally occurring " , hopeless and

incurable. Research in the past ten years is showing that this is

probably not the case.

The people here are a wealth of information on chelating for toxic

metals, special diets and supplements to help children recover in

the case that they have been environmentally poisoned or injured by

vaccines. Ask as many questions as you need to and read everything

in the files here and everything you can get your hands on.

If there is anything in your child which needs to be addressed, I

don't think the doctors you've been to or your children's present

school staff are qualified to determine this.

> > >

> > > hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

> > aspergers

> > > we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked

at

> > what

> > > i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> > > it???????? he is 5 yrs old

> >

> > *Did he recently have 5 year vaccines? Which ones? Did the

> anger issue start after the vaccines? Does he have any mercury

> amalgam dental fillings?

> >

> > me and my hubby are very confused and

> > > unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time

> with

> > > having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in

school

> > from

> > > the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem

> >

> > *Tell us a bit more than this. What triggers it? Certain noises

> or smells? Do his anger issues tend to be around transition times

> or around certain people? More at school or at home, around other

> children or adults, after eating certain foods (what's his diet

> like?), when he's told " no " ?

> >

> > which he was

> > > just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more

> information

> > on

> > > this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt

affecting

> > his

> > > intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and

mature

> > > levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i

learned

> > that

> > > on the internet and through another lady whos son was

diagnosed

> in

> > > feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

> > reminded

> > > me of a child with autism but he can talk to me

> >

> > *Can he talk to others so they understand him?

> >

> > so i never thought

> > he

> > > could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of

what

> > this

> > > is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being

> ridiculous

> > > and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a

> normal

> > > kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

> > something

> > > isnt right

> >

> > *Probably metal toxicity which looks like autism/Aspergers.

> Consider having a DDI hair elements test done and counting rules

> applied. You can order one without a doc (more complicated if you

> live in NYS) through Direct Lab Services and will get a discount

if

> you mention this list.

> >

> > i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> > > good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

> > does

> > > hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings

> >

> > *since what age?

> >

> > and

> > > then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

> hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

aspergers

> we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

what

> i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> it????????

Went thru' similar with my " add " kids years ago - walked out when he

advised the popular med (name?) and said, " if he reacts, he has add. "

which, by then, I had read enough to know better myself....I second

the idea of looking into a second opinion, if you are pursuing a

diagnosis.

he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

> unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time with

> having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

from

> the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he was

> just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

on

> this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

his

> intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

that

> on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed in

> feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

reminded

> me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never thought

he

> could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

this

> is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being ridiculous

> and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a normal

> kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know something

> isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he does

> hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

> then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

>

I would also add that for my high maintenance " angel-devil "

incredibly smart " add " child, eliminating food colorings made the

biggest difference, with additives & etc sooo helping also...he once

bit a principal...yeah, that was " fun & interesting. "

For my own sanity (and helping him cope), books like PET, by T.

Gordon & such, were the most helpful...I know there are similar, more

current types of books now also. (I Like my old books, go figure)

In hindsight, I do believe Lead poisoning was the biggest issue for

my older kids - from the bits you wrote, sounds familiar...

MIL issues...yep, mainly called my kids inexplicably " high

maintenance " and went from there...

good luck & best wishes

elizabeth

[Guest guest]

Hi - everyone else is doing a great job with letting youknow what is

available -all I would add is that you find a good DAN or Pfeiffer

doctor as soon as possible & get him tested for Kryptopyrroles. If

he has a pyrrole disorder then that may account for his anger - they

can get huge mood swings, meltdowns & tantrums for no reason. You

need to check his B6, zinc, & copper levels too.

My son had it & it has now been resolved by going on the Pfeiffer

primer - he went from 31.2 to 4.8 in 4 months (high to normal) - so

if he has it, it is an easy one to fix.

Hang in there

colleen

mum to Tommy (3 ASD)

>

> hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

aspergers

> we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

what

> i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> it???????? he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

> unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time with

> having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

from

> the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he was

> just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

on

> this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

his

> intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

that

> on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed in

> feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

reminded

> me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never thought

he

> could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

this

> is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being ridiculous

> and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a normal

> kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

something

> isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

does

> hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

> then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

>

[Guest guest]

Just my 2C for what it's worth to try to help the child from

being " framed into a man-made diagnosis created by Dr. Aspberger.

My comment is: Dr. Asperger's Syndrome is just a label; just like

Autism is a label; Depression is a label; OCD is a label and so on.

All of these " disease are not really diseases...Can you imagine

calling a child who apeaks overly-formally as being " autistic ???

All of these are just man-made descriptons or labels of other

people's behavior. Look beyond the label to your child's inner-beauty

If I came from Japan and I bowed my head three times as I was taught;

a Doctor could actually diagnose me as having obsessive-compulsive

disorder; jusf for following ancient oriental customs.

And a Doctor could actually put a Japanese immmigrant on a

psychiatric drug because the student will not stop bowing or

performing other ancient traditions as he was taught by his elders.

So is bowing 3 times as done in Japan a custom or a mental-disorder?

(I say bowing three times is an ancient custom not a disorder...)

So be very careful of letting strangers (like Dr.s) place labels on

your child who has not even begun to develop; emotionally or

intellectually; and recall this;

Children diagnosed with Dr. Asperberger's Syndrome are known to be;

Super-intelligent ! They are also called " Little Professors because

they speak in overly formal tones.

I was just reading about it last night coincidentally...and i asked

myself this...

If children with Dr. Aspergerger's Syndrome speak in overly formerly

ways and are little gentlemen with high intelligence.

How could they be called Autistic...?

WHEN AUTISTIC GENERALLY REFERS TO THOSE KIDS WHO HAVE TROUBLE

SPEAKING AND OR COMMUNICATING?

Are you going to tell me because a child likes to spend time alone

this child is Autistic?

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE AUTISM IS ALSO ANOTHER LABEL and here is the

problem;

NOT ALL CHILDREN DEVELOP EQUALLY; girls develop before boys.

I would be very wary of the prescription drug you mention.

I can tell you first hand those drugs do affect the mind negatively

in terms of increasing depresseion; not lessening; atleast for me.

I would urge you to trust your mother-in-law on this one.

remember Mozart; and many other Geniuses were Aspergers; autistic.

Don't let modern day society limit your child's inner-intelligence.

and even if your child is not highly intellgient; then draw out your

child's other talents like art music dancing singsing even tv shows!

Don't depress your child's mind with too many drugs and medicines.

The whole key is using Nutrients to improve your child's condititon.

THEN WHEN YOUR CHILD IS WELL FROM NUTRIENTS the Doctors will not

prescibe too many drugs and medicines and this is the whole

key....avoiding drugs and medicines...

instead using natrual foods and vitamins;minerals;and other nutrients.

Once your child gets on the band wagon of prescription drugs the

prescription drugs may not only affect yoru child's mind adversely

esp. if given at a young age; presctiption drugs also deplete certain

nutrients; some drugs cause drug induced Vitamin Defieinces;

particuarly a Vitamin B6 Defiency. A Vitamin B1 deficieny is caused

by Diuretics.

So in essence; to all parents; a. do your own evaluation; if you

think your child is smarter or better than the doctors say; then

stand by your own judegment. You know your child better than anyone.

in a nutshell; no matter what the label; Vitamin B with Thiamine will

help your child to focus and pay attention at home and at achool.

And this is my own peroanl opinion from all i have seen and read.

Note: i think Autism literally means; " inabilty to talk and speak.

> >

> > hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

> aspergers

> > we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

> what

> > i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> > it???????? he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

> > unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time

with

> > having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

> from

> > the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he

was

> > just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

> on

> > this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

> his

> > intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> > levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

> that

> > on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed

in

> > feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

> reminded

> > me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never

thought

> he

> > could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

> this

> > is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being

ridiculous

> > and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a

normal

> > kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

> something

> > isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> > good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

> does

> > hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

> > then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To the forum

I just wanted to repost this and other's replies on asperger's

the original post says the child is in a class for gifted and

talented students

Yet the M.D. says the child has Autism? I thought Autism was where a

child didn't do well in shcool; yet this child is gifted? Go figure !-

-- In , " Anne " <anne_white53@...> wrote:

Just my 2C for what it's worth to try to help the child from

being " framed into a man-made diagnosis created by Dr. Aspberger.

My comment is: Dr. Asperger's Syndrome is just a label; just like

Autism is a label; Depression is a label; OCD is a label and so on.

All of these " disease are not really diseases...Can you imagine

calling a child who apeaks overly-formally as being " autistic ???

All of these are just man-made descriptons or labels of other

people's behavior. Look beyond the label to your child's inner-beauty

If I came from Japan and I bowed my head three times as I was taught;

a Doctor could actually diagnose me as having obsessive-compulsive

disorder; jusf for following ancient oriental customs.

And a Doctor could actually put a Japanese immmigrant on a

psychiatric drug because the student will not stop bowing or

performing other ancient traditions as he was taught by his elders.

So is bowing 3 times as done in Japan a custom or a mental-disorder?

(I say bowing three times is an ancient custom not a disorder...)

So be very careful of letting strangers (like Dr.s) place labels on

your child who has not even begun to develop; emotionally or

intellectually; and recall this;

Children diagnosed with Dr. Asperberger's Syndrome are known to be;

Super-intelligent ! They are also called " Little Professors because

they speak in overly formal tones.

I was just reading about it last night coincidentally...and i asked

myself this...

If children with Dr. Aspergerger's Syndrome speak in overly formerly

ways and are little gentlemen with high intelligence.

How could they be called Autistic...?

WHEN AUTISTIC GENERALLY REFERS TO THOSE KIDS WHO HAVE TROUBLE

SPEAKING AND OR COMMUNICATING?

Are you going to tell me because a child likes to spend time alone

this child is Autistic?

I PERSONALLY BELIEVE AUTISM IS ALSO ANOTHER LABEL and here is the

problem;

NOT ALL CHILDREN DEVELOP EQUALLY; girls develop before boys.

I would be very wary of the prescription drug you mention.

I can tell you first hand those drugs do affect the mind negatively

in terms of increasing depresseion; not lessening; atleast for me.

I would urge you to trust your mother-in-law on this one.

remember Mozart; and many other Geniuses were Aspergers; autistic.

Don't let modern day society limit your child's inner-intelligence.

and even if your child is not highly intellgient; then draw out your

child's other talents like art music dancing singsing even tv shows!

Don't depress your child's mind with too many drugs and medicines.

The whole key is using Nutrients to improve your child's condititon.

THEN WHEN YOUR CHILD IS WELL FROM NUTRIENTS the Doctors will not

prescibe too many drugs and medicines and this is the whole

key....avoiding drugs and medicines...

instead using natrual foods and vitamins;minerals;and other nutrients.

Once your child gets on the band wagon of prescription drugs the

prescription drugs may not only affect yoru child's mind adversely

esp. if given at a young age; presctiption drugs also deplete certain

nutrients; some drugs cause drug induced Vitamin Defieinces;

particuarly a Vitamin B6 Defiency. A Vitamin B1 deficieny is caused

by Diuretics.

So in essence; to all parents; a. do your own evaluation; if you

think your child is smarter or better than the doctors say; then

stand by your own judegment. You know your child better than anyone.

in a nutshell; no matter what the label; Vitamin B with Thiamine will

help your child to focus and pay attention at home and at achool.

And this is my own peroanl opinion from all i have seen and read.

Note: i think Autism literally means; " inabilty to talk and speak.

> >

> > hello i am new here and my son was just diagnosed as having

> aspergers

> > we went to one appt with the psychiatrist and he just looked at

> what

> > i had wrote talked to me and my son for a bit and said he has

> > it???????? he is 5 yrs old me and my hubby are very confused and

> > unsure if he has this or not we do realize he has a hard time

with

> > having and keeping friends he sort of isolates himself in school

> from

> > the other kids and he has a really huge anger problem which he

was

> > just put on risperdal for i guess im looking for more information

> on

> > this the dr just called it this and explained it wasnt affecting

> his

> > intelligence as he is a very smart kid but his social and mature

> > levels he didnt even inform me it was a type of autism i learned

> that

> > on the internet and through another lady whos son was diagnosed

in

> > feb i have noticed what he does with his hands and it always

> reminded

> > me of a child with autism but he can talk to me so i never

thought

> he

> > could have autism there needs to be more of an awareness of what

> this

> > is my mother-in-law wont listen she believes i am being

ridiculous

> > and there is nothing wrong with her grandchild that he is a

normal

> > kid i m not entirely sure the dr is correct but i do know

> something

> > isnt right i know my child and i know that he tries so hard to be

> > good and not hit and kick and bite and he feels so bad when he

> does

> > hes a loving kid always has been but he has these mood swings and

> > then he regrets what he did any info would help me thank you

> >

>

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