Re: NYT on Virtual Schooling

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IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT MONEY!!!Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on

Homeschooling.Liz

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Liz, that was a very interesting article. but they never mentioned why parents are taking their children out from public school and home schooling. they did mention that public schools are losing lots of money to virtual schooling and the teachers union are trying to fight it. also using that you need a license to teach a child at public expense, which a parent doesn't have.Liz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today.

Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on Homeschooling.Liz

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Yep. The teachers' unions want the virtual public schools shut down here. There has been a compromise,,,,,,so for now, they're still open. Bottom line,,,,,,it's not the teachers,,,,its the unions who think that when a kid is learning at home with public school teachers and curriculum,,,,,,that the parent is too involved.....and we don't have the proper licenses. In other words.........the $$$$$$ that normally goes to the school where our kids used to PHYSICALLY go, now goes to the district that houses the virtual school....and its' public teachers that the virtual school employs. RobinLiz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on Homeschooling.Liz

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Robin, I'm not in a situation that you were in. But I do know someone who's child that was in a public school was teased to the point that "changed this child" and the teachers didn't know how to stop it. the boy was teased, harassed, hurt, traumatized etc.. The parents ended up putting this child in a private school. So, for children similar to this, and can't move, or has the money to hire lawyers and fight the public schools to protect their children. end up home schooling. If they don't give parents this option of home schooling, for ''real reasons" parents are taking their children out of the public school systems and << if >> they succeed on closing down the virtual schools, no parent will sit back and watch their child get traumatized in public school, I would bet there would be lots of court cases and law suites in the public schools. because parents will

be forced to fight back to protect their children. public schools will still be losing lots of money through due process etc.. the reason why they aren't challenged with this/this much now, is because parents are pulling their children out and home schooling, instead of spending thousands of dollars (that they don't have) fighting the system...While the child still loses out. either waiting for the hearing or waiting for the parent to get doctors appointments, CSE meetings, back to the doctor etc.. Not all schools are like this, and not every child needs to be home schooled. but when you have a child that's a target for others to pick on, get teased, or the teachers just not trained in autism and don't understand the child's needs - and the child isn't learning, etc.. for those children, virtual schooling is the best choice. I wish you all the best luck with the virtual

schooling. just following Ruthies post, its clear - that some children do benefit from home schooling. Ruthie even mentioned that her other children prefer the public schools, but for her son, public school isn't an option and is doing well in Virtual Schooling. Great job Ruthie !!! Ruthies story is what should be posted in the NYT. Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Yep. The teachers' unions want the virtual public

schools shut down here. There has been a compromise,,,,,,so for now, they're still open. Bottom line,,,,,,it's not the teachers,,,,its the unions who think that when a kid is learning at home with public school teachers and curriculum,,,,,,that the parent is too involved.....and we don't have the proper licenses. In other words.........the $$$$$$ that normally goes to the school where our kids used to PHYSICALLY go, now goes to the district that houses the virtual school....and its' public teachers that the virtual school employs. RobinLiz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on Homeschooling.Liz Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Yes, it does seem to be about money. You're from WI too, right?

I find it interesting that here regular homeschooling is considered

to be not eligible for public funds (like SPED), yet at the same time

the statutes list homeschooling as part of the private school codes.

And the private schools are allowed SPED services through the

district.

So, if a parent is staying home to school their child in a virtual

program then they are not contributing economically to that program.

Do you catch what I'm saying? Money from income taxes and additional

money spent in sales tax is not being collected from those that stay

home, yet the virtual schools are free to them. So of course the

teacher's union wants to shut them down. You see, the districts now

split a pool of money. It's not just money from one place anymore.

With regular homeschooling they don't have to pay for anything, so

they don't care if you can't work or not because you're caring for

your child. But with the virtual schools, they are charter schools

and therefore public schools that have to follow IDEA. It's about the

Money.

But the same holds true for public schools except that the child is

required to be in class each day so both parents can work, one at

least part time. There is nothing that states that a child will be

educated in a public school...but there's a lot about attending. And

here they have to follow IDEA. Not that they actually do because

there is no recourse for them when they don't.

I'm going to start the virtual school route this year and go for as

long as possible. Public schools don't fit my child. Not even in

an " appropriate " way.

> The New York Times has an interesting article about

virtual schooling

> on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it

> recently in Wisconsin.

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> http://nytimes.com/

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> When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].

> Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on

> Homeschooling.

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> Liz

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Rose,The "you need a license to teach" is a tired old argument that school systems have dragged out since the old days. I heard that when I home schooled my daughter in 1993. (It didn't work so well for us, so we stopped and sent her to a gifted private school, where the kids were also bratty.) The advantage of virtual school, as I see it, is that they can be tailored to each child's needs. If the public schools would wake up and try to individualize their curricula, maybe they wouldn't lose so many kids to vs. It's not rocket science. When I taught Montessori school, I came up with 25 lesson plans every week -- a plan for every kid. Curricula exist that kids can move through relatively independently.LizOn Feb 1, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Rose wrote:Liz,that was a very interesting article. but they never mentioned why parents are taking their children out from public school and home schooling. they did mention that public schools are losing lots of money to virtual schooling and the teachers union are trying to fight it. also using that you need a license to teach a child at public expense, which a parent doesn't have.

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> I came up with 25 lesson plans every week --

> a plan for every kid.>>>>>>>>>

LIZ,

I wish that my sons teacher would this expecially since he is in a

sped class. My son is ahead of the others in his class yet the

teacher doesnt see the need to give my son harder work even though he

was doing harder work when he was in 6th grade last year. He tested

like 2-3 grades ahead and he is only in 7th grade now. This teacher

said that the stuff she is giving my son is what the state is requiring

her to teach. UGH.

I mean he has an IEP but I guess its just to hard for her to find

harder work for him. I did go in and talk to the assistant principle

and he talked to this teacher and she said that she would give him

harder work...WELL I asked my son if he was getting harder work and he

said " Only in math " . GRRRRR

Marj

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Thanks Rose. My other kids, like Ruthies, are doing fine in public school. I wonder about them and if I could pull them, too. But so far, they're fine. Thanks for the encouragement!!! RobinRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Robin, I'm not in a situation that you were in. But I do know someone who's child that was in a public school was teased to the point that "changed this child" and the teachers didn't know how to stop it. the boy was teased, harassed,

hurt, traumatized etc.. The parents ended up putting this child in a private school. So, for children similar to this, and can't move, or has the money to hire lawyers and fight the public schools to protect their children. end up home schooling. If they don't give parents this option of home schooling, for ''real reasons" parents are taking their children out of the public school systems and << if >> they succeed on closing down the virtual schools, no parent will sit back and watch their child get traumatized in public school, I would bet there would be lots of court cases and law suites in the public schools. because parents will be forced to fight back to protect their children. public schools will still be losing lots of money through due process etc.. the reason why they aren't challenged with this/this much now, is because parents are pulling their children out

and home schooling, instead of spending thousands of dollars (that they don't have) fighting the system...While the child still loses out. either waiting for the hearing or waiting for the parent to get doctors appointments, CSE meetings, back to the doctor etc.. Not all schools are like this, and not every child needs to be home schooled. but when you have a child that's a target for others to pick on, get teased, or the teachers just not trained in autism and don't understand the child's needs - and the child isn't learning, etc.. for those children, virtual schooling is the best choice. I wish you all the best luck with the virtual schooling. just following Ruthies post, its clear - that some children do benefit from home schooling. Ruthie even mentioned that her other children prefer the public schools, but for her son, public school isn't an option and is doing well in

Virtual Schooling. Great job Ruthie !!! Ruthies story is what should be posted in the NYT. Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Yep. The teachers' unions want the virtual public schools shut down here. There has been a compromise,,,,,,so for now, they're still open. Bottom line,,,,,,it's not the teachers,,,,its the unions who think that when a kid is learning at home with public school teachers and curriculum,,,,,,that the parent is too involved.....and we don't have the proper licenses. In other words.........the $$$$$$ that normally goes to the school where our kids used to PHYSICALLY go, now goes to the district that houses the virtual school....and its' public teachers that the virtual

school employs. RobinLiz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on Homeschooling.Liz Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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Robin, if you don't mind me saying this old sayin:? ( don't fix what ant broken ). If your other children are doing well in public school, good for them. Public schools aren't bad, most teachers are awesome and work really hard to teach our children. but in some schools, (sad to say) the lack of education with children with disabilities, and lack of money, prevents some from getting a good education. No child, N.T. or not, should ever - feel uncomfortable to go to school. No child, should ever feel hate or afraid of going to school. would you stay at a job if you felt that same way? some do well in the public school system and some do better at home. that's great that there is still that choice for people to chose. *smile* Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Thanks Rose. My other kids, like Ruthies, are doing fine in public school. I wonder about them and if I could pull them, too. But so far, they're fine. Thanks for the encouragement!!! RobinRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Robin, I'm not in a

situation that you were in. But I do know someone who's child that was in a public school was teased to the point that "changed this child" and the teachers didn't know how to stop it. the boy was teased, harassed, hurt, traumatized etc.. The parents ended up putting this child in a private school. So, for children similar to this, and can't move, or has the money to hire lawyers and fight the public schools to protect their children. end up home schooling. If they don't give parents this option of home schooling, for ''real reasons" parents are taking their children out of the public school systems and << if >> they succeed on closing down the virtual schools, no parent will sit back and watch their child get traumatized in public school, I would bet there would be lots of court cases and law suites in the public schools. because parents will be forced to fight back to protect

their children. public schools will still be losing lots of money through due process etc.. the reason why they aren't challenged with this/this much now, is because parents are pulling their children out and home schooling, instead of spending thousands of dollars (that they don't have) fighting the system...While the child still loses out. either waiting for the hearing or waiting for the parent to get doctors appointments, CSE meetings, back to the doctor etc.. Not all schools are like this, and not every child needs to be home schooled. but when you have a child that's a target for others to pick on, get teased, or the teachers just not trained in autism and don't understand the child's needs - and the child isn't learning, etc.. for those children, virtual schooling is the best choice. I wish you all the best luck with the virtual schooling. just following

Ruthies post, its clear - that some children do benefit from home schooling. Ruthie even mentioned that her other children prefer the public schools, but for her son, public school isn't an option and is doing well in Virtual Schooling. Great job Ruthie !!! Ruthies story is what should be posted in the NYT. Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Yep. The teachers' unions want the virtual public schools shut down here. There has been a compromise,,,,,,so for now, they're still open. Bottom line,,,,,,it's not the teachers,,,,its the unions who think that when a kid is learning at home with public school teachers and curriculum,,,,,,that the parent is too involved.....and we don't have the proper

licenses. In other words.........the $$$$$$ that normally goes to the school where our kids used to PHYSICALLY go, now goes to the district that houses the virtual school....and its' public teachers that the virtual school employs. RobinLiz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on Homeschooling.Liz Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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Marj,Unfortunately for us, the law only requires that children be given FAPE (free and appropriate public education). It doesn't mean that the kids get to be educated to the best of their potential. It s**ks.LizOn Feb 1, 2008, at 5:17 PM, kellystar734 wrote:> I came up with 25 lesson plans every week -- > a plan for every kid.>>>>>>>>>LIZ,I wish that my sons teacher would this expecially since he is in a sped class. My son is ahead of the others in his class yet the teacher doesnt see the need to give my son harder work even though he was doing harder work when he was in 6th grade last year. He tested like 2-3 grades ahead and he is only in 7th grade now. This teacher said that the stuff she is giving my son is what the state is requiring her to teach. UGH.I mean he has an IEP but I guess its just to hard for her to find harder work for him. I did go in and talk to the assistant principle and he talked to this teacher and she said that she would give him harder work...WELL I asked my son if he was getting harder work and he said "Only in math". GRRRRR Marj

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Yep,,,we're in Wisconsin. I know exactly what you're saying. It's definitely money. In a way, I can't blame what the teachers unions are saying. Why should my sons' money that would have gone to them (the district he WAS attending) NOW go to a different district when he doesn't "physically" go there? So,,,,I kind of get it.....even though it still boils down to $. But,,,,,,,then I think,,,,,hey......I have the right to enroll my son wherever I feel like he can get the best education. If that's in a different school district,,,,then so be it. If that school district offers him the ability to do it at home.....with a computer and all the books and even teachers a phonecall/email away....why in the world wouldn't I? If my son can still be held accoutable to what other kids are learning and still takes part in state testing,,,,,,why wouldn't I? If doing school "virtually" takes my sons'

anger, frustration, sadness, and depression a way and allows him to calm down,be happier, blossom and still learn,,,,,,,,,,why wouldn't I? So,,,,,,,bottom line for me and MANY others is.......why don't the teachers unions want my son to learn the best way he possibly can? Why do the teachers my son had understand? Why do almost all parents I know understand? But,,,,,the "higher ups" in the teachers unions don't? BECAUSE when you get to the "higher up" level,,,,,,,you don't deal with kids anymore. You deal with $. Sad. Pitiful. Sorry. I got on my soapbox. Finding what works for our kids academically is an incredibly emotional thing, isn't it? I know that if they shut the virtual schools down, that we will simply buy the K12 curriculum and do it totally on our own. Either way,,,,,the district that couldn't provide for my son WILL NOT get his

$. Hee hee. Robin mommy1as <misha_iu@...> wrote: Yes, it does seem to be about money. You're from WI too, right? I find it interesting that here regular homeschooling is considered to be not eligible for public funds (like SPED), yet at the same time the statutes list homeschooling as part of the private school codes. And the private schools are allowed SPED services through the district. So, if a parent is staying home to school their child in a virtual program then

they are not contributing economically to that program. Do you catch what I'm saying? Money from income taxes and additional money spent in sales tax is not being collected from those that stay home, yet the virtual schools are free to them. So of course the teacher's union wants to shut them down. You see, the districts now split a pool of money. It's not just money from one place anymore.With regular homeschooling they don't have to pay for anything, so they don't care if you can't work or not because you're caring for your child. But with the virtual schools, they are charter schools and therefore public schools that have to follow IDEA. It's about the Money.But the same holds true for public schools except that the child is required to be in class each day so both parents can work, one at least part time. There is nothing that states that a child will be educated in a public school...but there's a lot

about attending. And here they have to follow IDEA. Not that they actually do because there is no recourse for them when they don't. I'm going to start the virtual school route this year and go for as long as possible. Public schools don't fit my child. Not even in an "appropriate" way.> The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling > on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it > recently in Wisconsin.> > http://nytimes.com/> > When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].> Down toward the middle of the page, there will be an article on > Homeschooling.> > Liz> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.>

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You got it, Rose. I totally agree. Robin.Rose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Robin, if you don't mind me saying this old sayin:? ( don't fix what ant broken ). If your other children are doing well in public school, good for them. Public schools aren't bad, most teachers are awesome and work really hard to teach our children. but in some schools, (sad to say)

the lack of education with children with disabilities, and lack of money, prevents some from getting a good education. No child, N.T. or not, should ever - feel uncomfortable to go to school. No child, should ever feel hate or afraid of going to school. would you stay at a job if you felt that same way? some do well in the public school system and some do better at home. that's great that there is still that choice for people to chose. *smile* Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Thanks Rose. My other kids, like Ruthies, are doing fine in public school. I wonder about them and if I could pull them, too. But so far, they're fine. Thanks for the

encouragement!!! RobinRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Robin, I'm not in a situation that you were in. But I do know someone who's child that was in a public school was teased to the point that "changed this child" and the teachers didn't know how to stop it. the boy was teased, harassed, hurt, traumatized etc.. The parents ended up putting this child in a private school. So, for children similar to this, and can't move, or has the money to hire lawyers and fight the public schools to protect their children. end up home schooling. If they don't give parents this option of home schooling, for ''real reasons" parents are taking their children out of the public school systems and << if >> they succeed on closing down

the virtual schools, no parent will sit back and watch their child get traumatized in public school, I would bet there would be lots of court cases and law suites in the public schools. because parents will be forced to fight back to protect their children. public schools will still be losing lots of money through due process etc.. the reason why they aren't challenged with this/this much now, is because parents are pulling their children out and home schooling, instead of spending thousands of dollars (that they don't have) fighting the system...While the child still loses out. either waiting for the hearing or waiting for the parent to get doctors appointments, CSE meetings, back to the doctor etc.. Not all schools are like this, and not every child needs to be home schooled. but when you have a child that's a target for others to pick on, get teased, or the teachers just not trained in autism and don't

understand the child's needs - and the child isn't learning, etc.. for those children, virtual schooling is the best choice. I wish you all the best luck with the virtual schooling. just following Ruthies post, its clear - that some children do benefit from home schooling. Ruthie even mentioned that her other children prefer the public schools, but for her son, public school isn't an option and is doing well in Virtual Schooling. Great job Ruthie !!! Ruthies story is what should be posted in the NYT. Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Yep. The teachers' unions want the virtual public schools shut down here. There has been a compromise,,,,,,so for now, they're still open. Bottom line,,,,,,it's not the teachers,,,,its the unions who think that when a kid is learning at home with public school teachers and curriculum,,,,,,that the parent is too involved.....and we don't have the proper licenses. In other words.........the $$$$$$ that normally goes to the school where our kids used to PHYSICALLY go, now goes to the district that houses the virtual school....and its' public teachers that the virtual school employs. RobinLiz Bohn <lbohn@...> wrote: The New York Times has an interesting article about virtual schooling on its front page today. Apparently there was a big furor about it recently in Wisconsin.http://nytimes.com/When you get to the home page, click [Today's Paper].Down toward the middle

of the page, there will be an article on Homeschooling.Liz Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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