Re: Re:Issue with school district dragging their feet........-Ruthie

January 23, 2008

Hi. No,,,,I don't have to deal with the old district (the one we live in and the one my other kids attend) at all for Ian. We did the "school choice thing" and it was basically switching school districts on paper. On paper,,,,,he's still in the public school "system",,,,,but virtually. Also,,,,,,with K12 curriculum, too.........so it's not really PUBLIC if you ask me. So,,,,,,for example,,,,,,we live in N. Fond du Lac and our school district is N. Fond du Lac. Ian's school district is Ozaukee now. So,,,,,they get the money that N. Fond du Lac used to get. He has a homeroom teacher, a math, science, english, history and even a special ed teacher. The best is the sp ed teacher!!! He comes to our home about once every month and a half and visits for a couple hours. He's met our whole fam and knows us. Anyway,,,,,sorry I wrote a book. Hee hee. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Robin, since you started a virtual school, do you still need to go to meetings for the school district to approve the services the virtual school needs for your son? or are you finished with the public school district altogether? I'm so glad your son is still doing well and improving. good for you all... Rose. and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Yep. Sad but true. But,,,,,I was worried about my son. That was it. Honestly????? I'm more of an advocate for kids with AS or even the whole "spectrum" now that he's out. I know what we went through and I know how it is now. Also,,,,,,because we pulled out for a "public virtual school",,,,,,,it hit the school where they hurt (in the pocketbook).......because the money that they usually had gotten for Ian to be there, suddenly went to the district that "housed" the virtual school. I think that made a bit of an impact. There are 2 kids in the elementary school who left for the virt school,,,,,,and if each

kid brings, like $7,000/year for a school, they lost $14,000 bucks last year. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: I suspect that many of the school systems cheer everytime they lose another child that they don't have to provide special services for.That is so true and sad ... carolynsuelowerychattanooga <suechasinglewisandclark> wrote: Ruthie, I never thought about that! While I have the utmost respect and admiration for the parents who pull their kids from school and home school them...that is one more voice lost to try and prod and poke and "educate" the

school system. I understand first hand how hard it is to go up against that system, but it would be great if the collective voice of all the home schooled kids could work to bring about change. I suspect that many of the school systems cheer everytime they lose another child that they don't have to provide special services for.I don't have an answer, except to hope that these parents still stay active in groups that can bring about changes in the public schools. Again, my admiration for the parents who do home school their children!Sue> We had many, many problems with our son's school before we pulled him out to home school. We heard one excuse after another and after many meetings with unfulfilled promises we went above their heads. My husband made some phone calls and spoke to the secretary of special education. She was furious after she heard about the run around we had been getting and she personally took a trip up to our school to have a talk with the principal. Suddenly everyone at that school took us seriously and the things we were asking for started getting done. I wish we had not waited so long to make that call. We gave them too many chances before we decided they were just all empty promises. We never sent our son back to school after that year. He was depressed and miserable and the kids were horrible to him. He is shy, quiet and keeps to himself but I think that made them go after him more. They even started stealing his

lunch so I would have to go up to the school to complain about> that. He came home one day and said he was so hungry I asked him if there was not enough food in his lunch box that day and he said he did not get to eat it because some kids took it. He actually did tell a lunch lady about it ( I was shocked to hear he spoke up) but she did nothing about it.> He also had a group of boys in his P. E. class that were threatening to beat him up after school. Not to mention all the names they called him...it was just too much for him and us so he never returned after that year. He is so happy now and told me after we pulled him out, mom public school is just not for me. One more thing, while still in public school he planned to quit school as soon as he turned 16 since we started home schooling he has not mentioned quitting even once.> > Hope> > Angels for Hope > > >

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January 24, 2008

I didn't write that post, just responded with: that is so sad but true. to the person that wrote; do you have to be a stay at home mom to home school? its not an option for a working mom. I would always think there are option's. we just aren't aware of all of the options to decide which is best for us. I'm sure others would write in choices they have as a working mother to tutor their child. What are the hours you work? would a different tour/hours be possible? I know some jobs don't have that option. also, would you be able to hire a tutor? I'm wondering how many hours other home schooled children need with home schooling. I would guess it's not as many as a day at public school. Maybe if you

considered the amount of time you would need to home school your child, you can work that into your schedule. If two parents are involved, would working opposite work hours be possible? *you work nights, your spouse work day shift"? These are just some very quick thoughts to think about. I'm sure other home school parents would be offering their ideas too. I don't home school so I'm sorry I wasn't able to help. But as a full time working single mom. and mandatory overtime, I had to get creative to make things work out too. including 2 different day cares and a back up sitter. Nothing is easy, but if you feel that's what you need to do for your child. things do work out. HUGS Rosekodaboo88 <luckym3@...> wrote: Yes, but don't you have to be a stay at home Mom to homeschool? For those of us who are working Moms outside of the home, it's not an option for us.> > I suspect that many of the school systems cheer > everytime they lose another child that they don't have to provide > special services for.> That is so true and sad ...> > >

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January 24, 2008

No set schedule works best for my kiddo; we do it when we do it; this weekend, I made him do some things; cooking meals, following recipes, making the shopping list for it, going shopping to buy the ingredients (we make him do the math, figure out costs, total---we do math, all the subjects, all the time now instead----)...and, we are making him able to hopefully live alone one day in the next 5-6 years, as he is 14 now!!

Lots of home schoolers in our area do the work from like 7-9 at home, including reading a book outloud together---we are talking junior high / high school agers, too, and both parents work---we are talking 7-9 pm---three days a week or whatever; you just make it a priority, like every thing else, and do it.

I assign my son writing 10 thank you notes (for example) for his brother's b-day gifts, give him the lists, and he has to leave them out with the addressed envelopes (I provide the address book)--- I look them over; these are life skills, but also very necessarily things to do. We do BOOK work as necessary, and he is working work books for math for 2 hours each week with a tutor whom, I might add, from mid-July to late October took him from a 4th grade to 8th plus grade reading level; and since then, he is has gone from 5th grade math to starting 9th grade algebra!! HELLO!!!! So, that is what homeschooling is doing for us.

And, did I add....we hardly have ANY STRESS in the house any more??? It is the brotherly fights and arguments like all houses I am sure, but the school stress is NON EXISTENT.....and, our son is ASKING us to teach him things (that, my friends, is what it IS all about-----you loose NOTHING but GAIN from home schooling----)....again, a mom that really did not believe in it....

My point earlier, I am A STAY AT HOME MOM----LOL----but I do work 60 plus hours a week doing my daycare business inside my home; that IS my job, and I rarely have time to sit at BABY my 14 year old. I call him in, give him something reasonable to do, which I often plan that morning, based on life and using some of his books, and he goes and does it; this is a guy that would not do school work---the stress is no longer there, and the rewards he has discovered, amazing; he WANTS TO LEARN!!!!! So, while you say I am a stay at home mom, I say I am working at least as many hours in the home running my business with 15 kids coming and going all hours of the day and evening----running everywhere to and from appointments, and having employees (and even preparing our house to sell right now and just bought a new one---which I am getting things together and ready for it----making a desk that looks like the Scooby Doo Mystery Machine for my 5 year old----etc.---not to mention that BEAUTIFUL colored paint----yuk!!!)

Ruthie

Re: ( ) Re:Issue with school district dragging their feet........-Ruthie

I didn't write that post, just responded with: that is so sad but true.

to the person that wrote; do you have to be a stay at home mom to home school?

its not an option for a working mom.

I would always think there are option's. we just aren't aware of all of the options to decide which is best for us.

I'm sure others would write in choices they have as a working mother to tutor their child.

What are the hours you work? would a different tour/hours be possible? I know some jobs don't have that option. also, would you be able to hire a tutor? I'm wondering how many hours other home schooled children need with home schooling. I would guess it's not as many as a day at public school. Maybe if you considered the amount of time you would need to home school your child, you can work that into your schedule.

If two parents are involved, would working opposite work hours be possible? *you work nights, your spouse work day shift"?

These are just some very quick thoughts to think about. I'm sure other home school parents would be offering their ideas too. I don't home school so I'm sorry I wasn't able to help. But as a full time working single mom. and mandatory overtime, I had to get creative to make things work out too. including 2 different day cares and a back up sitter. Nothing is easy, but if you feel that's what you need to do for your child. things do work out.

HUGS

Rosekodaboo88 <luckym3verizon (DOT) net> wrote:

Yes, but don't you have to be a stay at home Mom to homeschool? For those of us who are working Moms outside of the home, it's not an option for us.> > I suspect that many of the school systems cheer > everytime they lose another child that they don't have to provide > special services for.> That is so true and sad ..> > > >

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January 24, 2008

Oops,,,,Rose. That wasn't me. Heehee. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Robin, I like your ideas you have with teaching your son life skills, including doing the shopping, buying the ingredients and making him do the math - figuring out the costs, total. do you come up with your own life skills thoughts? or do you follow something to give you new ideas needed to teach your child these

skills? with my son, When I let him cook something, I have to first explain all the safety and things that are hot, he will get burned, and will take longer to notice it because he's high tolerance to pain. its all step by step. I can't just say, do you want to make eggs today and let him try to make them. I would first have to show him how to turn on the stove, that the burner is hot, and each step that follows including, when he's finished cooking the egg, he has to turn the stove off, and the burner is still hot. not to leave the fork on the pan because the fork will get hot. (metal fork). same if he is mixing ingredients in a bowl. I have to tell him not to mix too hard, that's why the flour is all over the place. I also have to explain that the utensil has to reach the bottom of the bowl, or the bottom doesn't get mixed. then show him how we can still see

the dry ingredients not blending with the top ingredients. (he still has a hard time with that). and worse, he's left handed and I'm right handed. Does your son need that many detailed prompts? I guess that's why its so hard for me. I take things for granted and don't think of all the steps, I just do it. but with him, I have to explain each step right from the first step. including "how to open the bag of flour". or the bag of cereal. Don't tear the whole bag, just the top corner. He will rip the cereal bag from the top all the way to the bottom. the cereal all over the table and floor didn't seem to matter to him. (also, if I left a step out, he doesn't pick up on it) I was wondering with your son, when you take him to the store, with his list and money, did he ever lose it? and when he gets his change, what does he do

with it? My son will walk with his money exposed in his hand. I will have to remind him to put his money in his pocket or pouch he has. another thing he does, if he has 3 bags, he will hold them all awkward instead of fixing the bags to make it comfortable to hold. (he only has two hands, there are 3 bags)??? then the money still in his hands when he has pockets to keep it. when walking out, he looks like he is struggling, like a person carrying 15 bags would look. After I show him an easier way to hold the bags and put the money away, he doesn't looks like 'he did' struggling with 3 light bags. also, he doesn't grab hold of the bag handles. He somehow grabbed the bags like he was choking them. I explained to put his hands through the hole that was provided as a handle for him to hold the bags. he doesn't take the time to think a little further to figure out how he can make that

situation a little easier for himself. Right now, we are diligently working on organization so he doesn't forget everything he owns. Now I need to focus more on - and start life skills. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: No set schedule works best for my kiddo; we do it when we do it; this weekend, I made him do some things; cooking meals, following recipes, making the shopping list for it, going shopping to buy the ingredients (we make him do the math, figure out costs, total---we do math, all the subjects, all the time now instead----)...and, we are making him able to hopefully live alone one day in the next 5-6 years, as he is 14 now!!

Lots of home schoolers in our area do the work from like 7-9 at home, including reading a book outloud together---we are talking junior high / high school agers, too, and both parents work---we are talking 7-9 pm---three days a week or whatever; you just make it a priority, like every thing else, and do it. I assign my son writing 10 thank you notes (for example) for his brother's b-day gifts, give him the lists, and he has to leave them out with the addressed envelopes (I provide the address book)--- I look them over; these are life skills, but also very necessarily things to do. We do BOOK work as necessary, and he is working work books for math for 2 hours each week with a tutor whom, I might add, from mid-July to late October took him from a 4th grade to 8th plus grade reading level; and since then, he is has gone from 5th grade math to starting 9th grade algebra!! HELLO!!!! So, that is what homeschooling is doing

for us. And, did I add....we hardly have ANY STRESS in the house any more??? It is the brotherly fights and arguments like all houses I am sure, but the school stress is NON EXISTENT.....and, our son is ASKING us to teach him things (that, my friends, is what it IS all about-----you loose NOTHING but GAIN from home schooling----)....again, a mom that really did not believe in it.... My point earlier, I am A STAY AT HOME MOM----LOL----but I do work 60 plus hours a week doing my daycare business inside my home; that IS my job, and I rarely have time to sit at BABY my 14 year old. I call him in, give him something reasonable to do, which I often plan that morning, based on life and using some of his books, and he goes and does it; this is a guy that would not do school work---the stress is no longer there, and the rewards he has discovered, amazing; he WANTS TO LEARN!!!!! So, while

you say I am a stay at home mom, I say I am working at least as many hours in the home running my business with 15 kids coming and going all hours of the day and evening----running everywhere to and from appointments, and having employees (and even preparing our house to sell right now and just bought a new one---which I am getting things together and ready for it----making a desk that looks like the Scooby Doo Mystery Machine for my 5 year old----etc.---not to mention that BEAUTIFUL colored paint----yuk!!!) Ruthie Re: ( ) Re:Issue with school district dragging their feet........-Ruthie I didn't write that post, just responded with: that is so sad but true. to the person that wrote; do you have to be a stay at home mom to home school? its not an option for a working mom. I would always think there are option's. we just aren't aware of all of the options to decide which is best for us. I'm sure others would write in choices they have as a working mother to tutor their

child. What are the hours you work? would a different tour/hours be possible? I know some jobs don't have that option. also, would you be able to hire a tutor? I'm wondering how many hours other home schooled children need with home schooling. I would guess it's not as many as a day at public school. Maybe if you considered the amount of time you would need to home school your child, you can work that into your schedule. If two parents are involved, would working opposite work hours be possible? *you work nights, your spouse work day shift"? These are just some very quick thoughts to think about. I'm sure other home school parents would be offering their ideas too. I don't home school so I'm sorry I wasn't able to help. But as a full time working single mom. and mandatory overtime, I had

to get creative to make things work out too. including 2 different day cares and a back up sitter. Nothing is easy, but if you feel that's what you need to do for your child. things do work out. HUGS Rosekodaboo88 <luckym3verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Yes, but don't you have to be a stay at home Mom to homeschool? For those of us who are working Moms outside of the home, it's not an option for us.> > I suspect that many of the school systems cheer > everytime they lose another child that they don't have

to provide > special services for.> That is so true and sad ..> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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January 24, 2008

LOL, sorry, as I check again, I meant Ruthie. everybody writes very interesting post. but I can relate most with Ruthie, you Robin, 's mom, Roxanna and a few others.- you post things either we are going through, went through or still struggling with. lol - or, will be going through...also you guys have great advise too. hugs Rose and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Oops,,,,Rose. That wasn't me. Heehee. RobinRose

<beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Robin, I like your ideas you have with teaching your son life skills, including doing the shopping, buying the ingredients and making him do the math - figuring out the costs, total. do you come up with your own life skills thoughts? or do you follow something to give you new ideas needed to teach your child these skills? with my son, When I let him cook something, I have to first explain all the safety and things that are hot, he will get burned, and will take longer to notice it because he's high tolerance to pain. its all step by step. I can't just say, do you want to make eggs today and let him try to make them. I would first have to

show him how to turn on the stove, that the burner is hot, and each step that follows including, when he's finished cooking the egg, he has to turn the stove off, and the burner is still hot. not to leave the fork on the pan because the fork will get hot. (metal fork). same if he is mixing ingredients in a bowl. I have to tell him not to mix too hard, that's why the flour is all over the place. I also have to explain that the utensil has to reach the bottom of the bowl, or the bottom doesn't get mixed. then show him how we can still see the dry ingredients not blending with the top ingredients. (he still has a hard time with that). and worse, he's left handed and I'm right handed. Does your son need that many detailed prompts? I guess that's why its so hard for me. I take things for granted and don't think of all the steps, I just do it. but with him, I have to explain each

step right from the first step. including "how to open the bag of flour". or the bag of cereal. Don't tear the whole bag, just the top corner. He will rip the cereal bag from the top all the way to the bottom. the cereal all over the table and floor didn't seem to matter to him. (also, if I left a step out, he doesn't pick up on it) I was wondering with your son, when you take him to the store, with his list and money, did he ever lose it? and when he gets his change, what does he do with it? My son will walk with his money exposed in his hand. I will have to remind him to put his money in his pocket or pouch he has. another thing he does, if he has 3 bags, he will hold them all awkward instead of fixing the bags to make it comfortable to hold. (he only has two hands, there are 3 bags)??? then the money still in his hands when he has pockets to keep

it. when walking out, he looks like he is struggling, like a person carrying 15 bags would look. After I show him an easier way to hold the bags and put the money away, he doesn't looks like 'he did' struggling with 3 light bags. also, he doesn't grab hold of the bag handles. He somehow grabbed the bags like he was choking them. I explained to put his hands through the hole that was provided as a handle for him to hold the bags. he doesn't take the time to think a little further to figure out how he can make that situation a little easier for himself. Right now, we are diligently working on organization so he doesn't forget everything he owns. Now I need to focus more on - and start life skills. RoseBRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123msn> wrote: No set schedule works best for my kiddo; we do it when we do it; this weekend, I made him do some things; cooking meals, following recipes, making the shopping list for it, going shopping to buy the ingredients (we make him do the math, figure out costs, total---we do math, all the subjects, all the time now instead----)...and, we are making him able to hopefully live alone one day in the next 5-6 years, as he is 14 now!! Lots of home schoolers in our area do the work from like 7-9 at home, including reading a book outloud together---we are talking junior high / high school agers, too, and both parents work---we are talking 7-9 pm---three days a week or whatever; you just make it a priority, like every thing else, and do it. I assign my son writing 10 thank you notes (for example)

for his brother's b-day gifts, give him the lists, and he has to leave them out with the addressed envelopes (I provide the address book)--- I look them over; these are life skills, but also very necessarily things to do. We do BOOK work as necessary, and he is working work books for math for 2 hours each week with a tutor whom, I might add, from mid-July to late October took him from a 4th grade to 8th plus grade reading level; and since then, he is has gone from 5th grade math to starting 9th grade algebra!! HELLO!!!! So, that is what homeschooling is doing for us. And, did I add....we hardly have ANY STRESS in the house any more??? It is the brotherly fights and arguments like all houses I am sure, but the school stress is NON EXISTENT.....and, our son is ASKING us to teach him things (that, my friends, is what it IS all about-----you loose NOTHING but GAIN from home schooling----)....again, a mom that

really did not believe in it.... My point earlier, I am A STAY AT HOME MOM----LOL----but I do work 60 plus hours a week doing my daycare business inside my home; that IS my job, and I rarely have time to sit at BABY my 14 year old. I call him in, give him something reasonable to do, which I often plan that morning, based on life and using some of his books, and he goes and does it; this is a guy that would not do school work---the stress is no longer there, and the rewards he has discovered, amazing; he WANTS TO LEARN!!!!! So, while you say I am a stay at home mom, I say I am working at least as many hours in the home running my business with 15 kids coming and going all hours of the day and evening----running everywhere to and from appointments, and having employees (and even preparing our house to sell right now and just bought a new one---which I am getting things together and ready for it----making a desk that looks like

the Scooby Doo Mystery Machine for my 5 year old----etc.---not to mention that BEAUTIFUL colored paint----yuk!!!) Ruthie Re: ( ) Re:Issue with school district dragging their feet........-Ruthie I didn't write that post, just responded with: that is

so sad but true. to the person that wrote; do you have to be a stay at home mom to home school? its not an option for a working mom. I would always think there are option's. we just aren't aware of all of the options to decide which is best for us. I'm sure others would write in choices they have as a working mother to tutor their child. What are the hours you work? would a different tour/hours be possible? I know some jobs don't have that option. also, would you be able to hire a tutor? I'm wondering how many hours other home schooled children need with home schooling. I would guess it's not as many as a day at public school. Maybe if you considered the amount of time you would need to home school your child, you can work

that into your schedule. If two parents are involved, would working opposite work hours be possible? *you work nights, your spouse work day shift"? These are just some very quick thoughts to think about. I'm sure other home school parents would be offering their ideas too. I don't home school so I'm sorry I wasn't able to help. But as a full time working single mom. and mandatory overtime, I had to get creative to make things work out too. including 2 different day cares and a back up sitter. Nothing is easy, but if you feel that's what you need to do for your child. things do work out. HUGS Rosekodaboo88 <luckym3verizon (DOT) net> wrote: Yes, but don't you have to be a stay at home Mom to homeschool? For those of us who are working Moms outside of the home, it's not an option for us.> > I suspect that many of the school systems cheer > everytime they lose another child that they don't have to provide > special services for.> That is so true and sad ..> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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January 24, 2008

I homeschooled two of my children when they were in middle school and high school and I was teaching special education fulltime. I gave them assignments to do and them we spent a couple of hours in the evening reviewing or introducing new material. It was a busy schedule but less stressful than fighting the very school system that I worked for everyday. It was sad that I was providing other people's children with the quality education that I could not get for my own kids! If I thought that the two boys (ages 15 -AS & 16 -FASD) would work without me being there and if I could leave the 15yo unsupervised, I would do it now.Hugs & Blessings, DonnaSent from my iPhone. On Jan 24, 2008, at 9:35 AM, and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote:

Oops,,,,Rose. That wasn't me. Heehee. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Robin, I like your ideas you have with teaching your son life skills, including doing the shopping, buying the ingredients and making him do the math - figuring out the costs, total. do you come up with your own life skills thoughts? or do you follow something to give you new ideas needed to teach your child these