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I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy.

We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too.

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My son anyway is a pure "aspie" as I think all of his issues and oddities fit well with the criteria. MacAllister <smacalli@...> skrev: You are right. There have been a lot of co-morbid conditions mentioned on here. I'm not sure where one picks up where the other leaves off though. My son has been diagnosed with Sensory Integration Disorder, ADHD, Anxiety- NOS, and finally

Aspergers. All of these things have been diagnosed at various times of his life. Do I think he has all of these things. Nope. It was 4 different professionals interpretation of my son's behavior through diagnostic and observational testing. Aspergers has been the best "fit" in my eyes though. Makes a bunch more sense than the others. Maybe we should make a habit of always stating how old our children are and if they have other diagnoses besides Aspergers. When we make generalizations for "our kids" and some of the kids w/ Aspergers on here have been diagnosed w/ depression and/or anxiety and/or bi-polar and/or OCD and/or Sensory Integration Disorder and/or Oppositional Defiance Disorder, etc... it's not really fair to think we can generalize what happens with that child to other children here on the list. Some of the kids on here are obviously more affected in others. If readers

know more about the kid in question, then they can decide how (if at all) a post could be relevant to them. For example, my son has never been anywhere close to having to go into a residential or therapeutic treatment center. I feel for the families where this has happened. But when I see a posting about a child like this, I don't pay as much attention b/c that child's needs/behaviors/etc... are very different than my son's. Of course we aren't all just cookie cutters on here. Our kids are all unique. But maybe if we're clearer about the type of child in question, it could help? Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown MacAllister <smacalli (DOT) com> wrote:> I understand if your child has all of those other diagnoses, but I'm > speaking about a child w/ Aspergers.Who is lucky enough to have a kid who *only* has Aspergers? ;-) Thereare so many co-morbid conditions. My kid also has SID and definitelysome kind of ADHD thing going on and possibly something else thathasn't been diagnosed yet, plus little things like a weird wayhis hand is formed that makes writing hard, that I don't rememberthe name of... it's all alphabet soup around here!Willa

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Oh it was nice to hear from you. You know I always laugh when the Mt or BSC says just put him in camp...Yeah right...my son is only 12 3/4 and 5'4" but I am only 5'2" and weigh less than him....if he decides he is not going ...what am I going to do...drag him...I highly doubt it....

One time when we were fostering...the 13 year old girl didn't want to go to one of the meetings...she lay flat on the floor and there was no way we could move her ....and of course I wasn't pushing it ...but she was dead weight.

I always feared this happening...but I have to say to myself...I am in charge here...he is the child...sometimes he has a fit and looks at my in such an evil way...so I learned to stare and I mean stare right back at him...never taking my eyes off of his....he flares his nostril and i keep staring...and then all of sudden he starts laughing...it is like I broke thru the anger...and things will be okay...and late we may talk.

Each incident is a little different all depending of the circumstances and what it is about etc. etc. Most times I just send him to his room....I don't argue ...it takes 2 to argue...and as long as his room is safe...he can melt down there. And, he can have a friend over and he doesn't care if the friend see him melt down...most of his friends know of his DX and I found that it helps. They understnd him more and are a little more compassoniate with him.

I was afraid of my son's anger for the longest time...but he has calmed down. I would see how angry he was coming home from school. It was then I understood where these kids are coming from that end up taking guns to school. I am not saying that is right or anything....but I can know understnad how it comes about ....and why. And, we as a society better wake up and start working with the children of this world. I am not saying you and I...but in very general...I see it in the high school....girls fighting girls, cusing, rudeness, disrespect, kids not learning, high schoolers who count on their fingers or can't write a correct sentence. It is very scary....very scary....

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From: jmckim4184@... <jmckim4184@...>Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM

I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy.

We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too.

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Jan, my son tried it first because just before Thanksgiving his freshman year a new teacher decided to entertain the students by showing a 1980's comedy called - wait for it- "Better Off Dead"! It is about a young man whose girlfriend dumps him and he tries (unsuccessfully) to kill himself for the whole movie. Funny, huh?! So my son took too many of his pills. The girl he liked didn't like him back. This is a (possible for some children- have to be careful on this list) danger with our kids taking things literally. Many things in the media (for example a pop song called "suicidal") can be very dangerous. These are social issues which can be confusing for many of our kids.

Hang in there, Jan. For your sake I am glad I came out of lurk mode.

Jean

In a message dated 8/9/2008 12:01:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrushen@... writes:

Thank you for your support Jean...I appreciate it. And, my son talked about sucide at the beginning of the year...why...becuase the boy up the street didn't like him any more. I called the school and put them on the alert. It is so scary...in our county we had about 6 suicides....kids can be very very cruel to one another and I don't allow my son to have a my space account....I think because they are texting or sending emails they feel they can say anything they want...and boy have I read some really cruel stuff.

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From: jmckim4184aol (DOT) com <jmckim4184aol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM

I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy.

We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too.

Jean

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Jan, for a child to say such cruel stuff and do the cruel things that they do. Makes me wonder what would professionals find out if they did testings on that child ?. and what is their home life like?. that is not normal for the things that happen on my space posted from young kids. they showed on a talk show a video that was sent to my space. what these teens did was drive up to the window at a fast food place, order a drink, coffee, soda, something. and when the person gave it to them, they throw it in her face and video her expression and put it on the net. they thought that was the funniest thing to do. one of the boys got arrested and apologized on the net. that was sick, not to mention how that worker at the fast food place felt or worse, the ones that had something hot thrown at them... Elecrtonics are convienent but also a problem. out by us, at the YMCA on the locker room doors

are post saying no camera phones are to be used in the locker rooms. now is says on the main door - no pics allowed at all in the YMCA. can you imagine what was seen on the net from the Y locker room.. rushen janice <jrushen@...> wrote: Thank you for your support Jean...I appreciate it. And, my son talked about sucide at the beginning of the year...why...becuase the boy up the street didn't like him any

more. I called the school and put them on the alert. It is so scary...in our county we had about 6 suicides....kids can be very very cruel to one another and I don't allow my son to have a my space account....I think because they are texting or sending emails they feel they can say anything they want...and boy have I read some really cruel stuff. Jan Janice Rushen Mom, Mentor, Wife, Teacher, Advocate, Accountant, Maid, Taxi, Shopper, Bulletin Board Artist Nanny, Crafter, Therapist, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Daughter, Grand-daughter, Personal Care

Aide, Student, Believer, and Giver. From: jmckim4184aol (DOT) com <jmckim4184aol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM I think people are getting defensive

because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy. We

shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too. Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL

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At school one day the kids got onto utube (not suppose to) and they were watching two girls beat each other up...they thought it was funny...coool.....OMG! First ...I told them to turn it off...I could have written them up...then I asked them ...what is so great about watching 2 girls fight...and why would you want to fight anyways...and they have such distorted thinking....like teachers need to respect them before they give respect...and they believe that if they are repremanded...it is because they are black...when that is not the case at all...and they walk the halls like they own it and give you looks to kill. I believe a lot has to do with how they were raised and how involved the parents are. But it isn't just the black kids ...kids in general today have no Respect....they walk down the halls and run you right over ...they are too busy

talking with their friends or trying to catch up with their friends. And, nasty...I bumped into a student in the cafeteria and she turned around and said Oh, Ms. R. I was just about to deck you....everyone is so uptight...and then you put our kids in this mess ...ugh!!!

I saw kids messing with R at the vo-tech...they would tease him to no end...and he didn't even know they were laughing at him ...and he would laugh too! I tried talking to him and I always kept my eye on him and at one point I went up to the main kid teasing him ...and point blank told him to CUT IT OUT! Of course, he looked at me all innocent.....what did I do. And I replied....I don't need to tell you...You KNoW what you are Doing!

This is my biggest fear...especially out in the real world...girls taking advantage of my son as well as guys. And, what if say...my son finds a girl he likes...and say he stops and tells her she has pretty eyes. And, say he keeps doing it every day and then he might say he likes her hair...and all innocently and she thinks he is harrassing her...do you see where I am going...this is what worries me...our kids can be so innocent and naive....and of course they don't always catch on to "lingo" ...so then there is a communication gap...ugh! I just get the chills thinking about it.

My son is 12 3/4 and we have started working on the part of "real" friendship...and it is difficult...hopefully he understand by the time he reaches 18.

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From: jmckim4184aol (DOT) com <jmckim4184aol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM

I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy.

We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too.

Jean

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Jean...I am glad too! I am not sure my son is truly AS...he is more PDD nos and ADHD...he is so so sosososososo social....most of his friends are older as they live in the neighborhood. He was so obsessed with the 15 year old (S) that when S said he wasn't his friend any more ...that is when he told me he felt suicidal...I asked he ...how would you do it...and he indicated slashing his wrists....I didn't think he would do it ...he can not take pain at all...but I took him very seriously and told the school. I took him to his counselor and guidance talked to him too....but it is so sad when our children feel this way...and feel different and unliked ....my heart goes out to all of them.

There was one boy in school...I don't know his DX...but he was in the computer program my student was in...and I could have bet my bottom dollar he was AS. He never spoke, he never looked up...he did have one close guy who sat next to him...but I would see him in the halls ...head down ...walking alone ....but I must say...at least in this class no one disrespected him...he was good in computers and for that they admired him. I was very impressed with these kids and I told them too! Of course, I was told these kids were the worst ...a rough bunch....but after a few months...I found them all to be cute little puppies...amazing....they were always polite and respectful to me and would come to me with complaints about the TA in the class...or they would come to me and tell me that this occurred and that is not really what happened...now beleive me ...I am not loved by all the students but I found most can be great...it is how we approach

and look at them...and just like our kids...we have to understand what is going on for them....like my son...he would get off the big bus and be in the worst foul mood...I learned eventually to leave him alone until he felt like talking....well eventually we put him on the smaller bus where kids could not tease him and pick on him...and that has made a big difference ....I have to remember...school is much harder on him ..the noise...the writting...struggling with math and reading....noisy lunchroom....being left out...etc. etc. No wonder he is the way he is when he comes home.

i would love to home school him...but he would never learn from me...he is just too stubborn and he needs the discipline as he has a hard time staying focused.

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From: jmckim4184aol (DOT) com <jmckim4184aol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM

I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy.

We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too.

Jean

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yes, I do see where your going with this....and just to add on, --- all those games teenage girls play. I just know our kids won't pick up on that. rushen janice <jrushen@...> wrote: At school one day the kids got onto utube (not suppose to) and they were watching two girls beat each other up...they thought it was funny...coool.....OMG! First ...I told them to turn it off...I could have written

them up...then I asked them ...what is so great about watching 2 girls fight...and why would you want to fight anyways...and they have such distorted thinking....like teachers need to respect them before they give respect...and they believe that if they are repremanded...it is because they are black...when that is not the case at all...and they walk the halls like they own it and give you looks to kill. I believe a lot has to do with how they were raised and how involved the parents are. But it isn't just the black kids ...kids in general today have no Respect....they walk down the halls and run you right over ...they are too busy talking with their friends or trying to catch up with their friends. And, nasty...I bumped into a student in the cafeteria and she turned around and said Oh, Ms. R. I was just about to deck you....everyone is so uptight...and then you put our kids in this mess ...ugh!!! I saw kids

messing with R at the vo-tech...they would tease him to no end...and he didn't even know they were laughing at him ...and he would laugh too! I tried talking to him and I always kept my eye on him and at one point I went up to the main kid teasing him ...and point blank told him to CUT IT OUT! Of course, he looked at me all innocent.....what did I do. And I replied....I don't need to tell you...You KNoW what you are Doing! This is my biggest fear...especially out in the real world...girls taking advantage of my son as well as guys. And, what if say...my son finds a girl he likes...and say he stops and tells her she has pretty eyes. And, say he keeps doing it every day and then he might say he likes her hair...and all innocently and she thinks he is harrassing her...do you see where I am going...this is what worries me...our kids can be so innocent and naive....and of course they don't always catch on to "lingo" ...so then

there is a communication gap...ugh! I just get the chills thinking about it. My son is 12 3/4 and we have started working on the part of "real" friendship...and it is difficult...hopefully he understand by the time he reaches 18. Jan Janice Rushen Mom, Mentor, Wife, Teacher, Advocate, Accountant, Maid, Taxi, Shopper, Bulletin Board Artist Nanny, Crafter, Therapist, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Daughter, Grand-daughter, Personal Care Aide, Student,

Believer, and Giver. From: jmckim4184aol (DOT) com <jmckim4184aol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " if you were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" a zillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been having meltdowns and being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic has worked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking of appropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a younger age than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "The Explosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns are often reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and also difficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "I don't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this by rephrasing, but it is not easy. We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parenting skills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, for one, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing venting because it does help to know you are not alone. It also is really hard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can get violent too. Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.

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You should see the girls in my son's 6th grade class....we ran into 2 of them when my son was getting his haircut....OMG....I thought they were 14 or up.....and the teachers told me how nasty and gossipy the girls were. How they were always looking in their compact mirrors ...makeup, stockings and all.....and the girls ask the boys out. My son talks about a girl but I know deep down in my heart that he is not going out with her...it sort of makes him feel good...my son won't even go to the school dances and maybe that is a blessing.

But the kids in high school are so self-centered. I call them the ME generation. I think you are right...it is a combination of parents working, latch-key, daycare, too much TV and electronics...

Jan

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From: kellypywtorak <kellypywtorak@...>Subject: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of a meltdown/Clarity Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 2:22 AM

Jan,I totally agree about the disrespect and rudeness in kids today. It'severywhere and teachers with many years on the job have commentedabout this to me in private. People have become desensitized to it, Ithink. Being a guilt-ridden working mom, part of me wonders if this has to dowith too much time in childcare, after-school care, latch-key kidsetc. Then there are the TV & movies to blame.... It feels like alosing battle. And kids are growing up too quickly. My DD (almost10) wants to replace her Barbies with electronics and hang up postersof the Jonas Brothers. Thank goodness they are squeaky clean and goodrole models, at least for now. > > From: jmckim4184aol (DOT) com <jmckim4184@ aol. com>> Subject: Re: SV: Re: ( ) In the middle of ameltdown/Clarity> > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 9:51 PM> > > > > > I think people are getting defensive because we have all heard " ifyou were just a better parent" or "if you just made him stop" azillion times. BTW, my son is 18 now and has been

having meltdownsand being suicidal since he was 4. I have found that 1-2-3 magic hasworked for all 5 of my kids pretty well and that thinking ofappropriate behavior and discipline for my son as that for a youngerage than his biological age helps. Also, I found the book "TheExplosive Child" by Greene (sp.) very helpful. These meltdowns areoften reactions to overstimulation, anxiety, perseveration and alsodifficulty in expressive language- instead of saying "I'm mad" or "Idon't want to" my son says "I want to die". We have worked on this byrephrasing, but it is not easy.> > We shouldn't give up but we also need to realize that our parentingskills did not cause and will not fix our children's problems. I, forone, don't often post, but often lurk, and appreciate hearing ventingbecause it does help to know you are not alone. It also is

reallyhard to put a 6 ft tall, 315 lb. 18 year old in time out- he can getviolent too.> > Jean> > > > > > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Readreviews on AOL Autos.> > > > > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Readreviews on AOL Autos.>

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