Re: lunch hold

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OH no.. I would suggest you contact the principal in regards to your concerns immediately. I might CC the board of health as well. This is not right at all

-- ( ) lunch hold

My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed up and at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. When i talked to his teacher about this today , she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns.

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Is that supposed to be a punishment of some kind? Can you get that out of his IEP? Did you agree what that? That is really weird that keeping his lunch on hold would even be in the IEP. If you would ask them to keep it in their refrigerator then it would really be cold but left out...yuck I wouldn't trust it. I think the IEP needs rewritten. Take care & good luck,Betty brandigratton <brandigratton@...> wrote: My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed up and at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated. When i talked to his teacher about this today , she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns. Take care, Betty

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> My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go

to timeout for

> behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch

> hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the

food

> is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his

teacher

> said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his

iep

> and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not

the

> problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed

up and

> at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and

what if

> i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i

> would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called

on

> me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions

would be

> greatly appreciated. When i talked to his teacher about this

today ,

> she had an answer for everything and would never give me a

straight

> answer , just said she would let the principal know about my

concerns.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Trisha, your idea makes so much sense even for the whole class. dx or not. also, they should have a small snack just before taking a test too. Trisha Rice <rice.trish@...> wrote: I can't sit this one out either. Food nourishes the body, the body has to be functioning well for any change to take place. We just figured out why my son was in trouble almost every day in this one class about 2:30. We finally

figured out that lunch is at 12 and 2 1/2 hours is too long for him to go without eating. He doesn't have any kind of official diagnosis related to blood sugar, but we tried having a snack about 2:15 during the last recess (he's at a private school - all grades have morning and afternoon recess and a lunch break). That made all the difference in the world! He hasn't had any issues since he started taking his afternoon snack. It's a very small thing - sometimes a handful of grapes or a fruit rollup, but it is enough to get him to the end of the day. Maybe all the adults there should have to delay their lunch with his; if they were more proactive and positive, it probably wouldn't even be an issue. I would call an ARD immediately and have that listed as the specific purpose for the ARD. I would also document the conversation with the teacher with a follow up email and state just the facts, and cc up the line. Good luck! Trish -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of brandigrattonSent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:34 PMTo:

Subject: ( ) lunch hold My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed up and at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. When i talked

to his teacher about this today , she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns.

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Good point for public schools. Our school is self-paced and there are no "major" tests to fail or pass. They keep doing the material until they learn it, not until they memorize 70% of it.

Trish

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RoseSent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: RE: ( ) lunch hold

Trisha,

your idea makes so much sense even for the whole class. dx or not. also, they should have a small snack just before taking a test too.

Trisha Rice <rice.trishtx (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

I can't sit this one out either. Food nourishes the body, the body has to be functioning well for any change to take place. We just figured out why my son was in trouble almost every day in this one class about 2:30. We finally figured out that lunch is at 12 and 2 1/2 hours is too long for him to go without eating. He doesn't have any kind of official diagnosis related to blood sugar, but we tried having a snack about 2:15 during the last recess (he's at a private school - all grades have morning and afternoon recess and a lunch break). That made all the difference in the world! He hasn't had any issues since he started taking his afternoon snack. It's a very small thing - sometimes a handful of grapes or a fruit rollup, but it is enough to get him to the end of the day.

Maybe all the adults there should have to delay their lunch with his; if they were more proactive and positive, it probably wouldn't even be an issue.

I would call an ARD immediately and have that listed as the specific purpose for the ARD. I would also document the conversation with the teacher with a follow up email and state just the facts, and cc up the line. Good luck!

Trish

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of brandigrattonSent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: ( ) lunch hold

My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed up and at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. When i talked to his teacher about this today , she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns.

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I'm not one to comment often, this one is hitting me hard. The following are my opinions and not meant to be offensive or directives, but what I would do:

1. Get the lunch stipulation out of his IEP. Nutrition is vital and necessary for any child. Aspergers kids are overly effected by changes in diet, including withholding.

2. Punishment I've found rarely works. My son expects it and expects he deserves it even when he's done nothing wrong. They are punishing your child with removing something that is a health and body function item. That's to me the same as corporal (sp?) punishment. Damage to the body does not modify mind behavior. It doesn't help the child concentrate, stay on task, or be motivated to change. It just hurts.

3. I think Trisha has some great ideas, and I'd recommend following up on those. But also, if a teacher is making excuses and " coming up with answers " instead of " looking for solutions " I find it hard to work with that teacher without getting the principal or program leader involved and then some. My son's school knows everytime I hear of a problem, I'm going to talk to the program leader (who is also a sub principal ... not sure how the ranks work, it's weird), I call his counselor, I talk to his school nurse, the security guard (yes they all interact with my son very regularly) his teacher (if it's not special ed) and his special ed teacher. No one is left out of the communication and my emails are always long (as witnessed here. lol) . The communication does a few things, documents what I heard... own the information rather than say " you " statements. So, " I understand from xxx teacher that the food is left out for up to two hours before he is allowed to eat it. It is not heated. My concerns are...xxx " would likely be one of many statements.

Above all, your child is to get an education and they have to find a way to provide it. I struggle with that as well. But punishment is not their job, that's yours if such is necessary or they can provide detention or time in a certain class or whatever. Physical punishment such as witholding basic needs is not acceptable under any circumstances. Perhaps it's different in different areas of the country?

Anyway hope that helps get another perspective. I'm scarey to the school when they've activated the MOM system. lol Come to think of it, it's probably about time I check on them again.

Deb S

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You can always have an IEP changed. ly, I know for a fact that

it illegal to withhold food from a child for any reason at any time.

The school certainly should not be allowed to do it. And besides, if

your child is anything like mine- the WHOLE WORLD STOPS WHEN HE'S

HUNGRY. He'll just be going about his day and then boom- he's

stumbling around like a bad actor and I have to " pry " it out of him

that he's hungry or thirsty. Then, when he gets something he's back

to staying on task. The only thing that I can think of is that if

their senses are heightened then that would include hunger or thirst

pangs would be worse than ours. I've also noticed that my guy eats

less at a time but is hungry more often. One of the many reasons I

pulled him out of school was that they REFUSED to allow him a snack

other than breakfast and lunch. They had breakfast at 7:30 and lunch

at 12:45. That is simply WAY to far apart. Most people are hungry

every 4 hours, some more, some less. Either way, you simply can't

focus on an empty stomach. I would request they pull that out of his

IEP ASAP. It's not going to help him get his work done any faster. I

could understand not being allowed to go to recess if my work wasn't

done or some other enjoyable/preferred activity. However, withholding

food is NOT an option. When I was going for foster license training

we were informed that we were not allowed to withhold food for any

reason- or knowingly offer unacceptable food choices (allergies,

religious concerns, etc). It was okay if the child refused to eat (to

a certain extent- you have to try to find things they will eat) but

withholding food as any form of punishment was unacceptable.

Have they tried any type of reward system?? Being able to look

forward to little things and big things is a big help to my guy.

That's just my two cents. Personally, I gave up on the school system

last year!

-- In , " brandigratton "

<brandigratton@...> wrote:

>

> My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for

> behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch

> hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food

> is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher

> said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep

> and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the

> problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed up and

> at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if

> i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i

> would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on

> me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be

> greatly appreciated. When i talked to his teacher about this today ,

> she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight

> answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns.

>

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, I would like to know how that IEP reads? If the teacher stated it says that in his IEP, says what? I'm very interested in knowing how that was worded, and the mom should ask for a copy of that IEP. Rose <mabenton3579@...> wrote: You can always have an IEP changed. ly, I know for a fact thatit illegal to withhold food from a child for any reason at any time. The school certainly should

not be allowed to do it. And besides, ifyour child is anything like mine- the WHOLE WORLD STOPS WHEN HE'SHUNGRY. He'll just be going about his day and then boom- he'sstumbling around like a bad actor and I have to "pry" it out of himthat he's hungry or thirsty. Then, when he gets something he's backto staying on task. The only thing that I can think of is that iftheir senses are heightened then that would include hunger or thirstpangs would be worse than ours. I've also noticed that my guy eatsless at a time but is hungry more often. One of the many reasons Ipulled him out of school was that they REFUSED to allow him a snackother than breakfast and lunch. They had breakfast at 7:30 and lunchat 12:45. That is simply WAY to far apart. Most people are hungryevery 4 hours, some more, some less. Either way, you simply can'tfocus on an empty stomach. I would request they pull that out of hisIEP ASAP. It's not going to help

him get his work done any faster. Icould understand not being allowed to go to recess if my work wasn'tdone or some other enjoyable/preferred activity. However, withholdingfood is NOT an option. When I was going for foster license trainingwe were informed that we were not allowed to withhold food for anyreason- or knowingly offer unacceptable food choices (allergies,religious concerns, etc). It was okay if the child refused to eat (toa certain extent- you have to try to find things they will eat) butwithholding food as any form of punishment was unacceptable.Have they tried any type of reward system?? Being able to lookforward to little things and big things is a big help to my guy. That's just my two cents. Personally, I gave up on the school systemlast year!-- In ,

"brandigratton"<brandigratton@...> wrote:>> My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for > behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch > hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food > is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher > said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep > and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the > problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and not warmed up and > at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if > i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i > would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on > me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. When i talked to his

teacher about this today , > she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight > answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns.>

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That's one thing I hate about public schools. It seems to me they really strive on teaching how to pass the test, not learn the material. (in my experience anyway)Trisha Rice <rice.trish@...> wrote: Good point for public schools. Our school is self-paced and there are no "major" tests to fail or pass. They keep doing the material until they learn it, not until they memorize 70% of it. Trish -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of RoseSent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: RE: ( ) lunch hold Trisha, your idea makes so much sense even for the whole class. dx or not. also, they should have a small snack just before taking a test too. Trisha Rice <rice.trishtx (DOT) rr.com> wrote: I can't sit this one out either. Food nourishes the body, the body has to be functioning well for any change to take place. We just figured out why my son was in trouble almost every day in this one class about 2:30. We finally figured out that lunch is at 12 and 2 1/2 hours is too long for him to go without eating. He doesn't have any kind of official diagnosis related to blood sugar, but we tried having a snack about 2:15 during the last recess (he's at a private school - all grades have morning and afternoon recess and a lunch break). That made all the difference in the world! He hasn't had any issues since he started taking his afternoon snack. It's a very small thing - sometimes a handful of grapes or a fruit rollup, but it is enough to get him to the end of the day. Maybe all the adults there should have to delay their lunch with his; if they were more proactive and positive, it probably wouldn't even be an issue. I would call an ARD immediately and have that listed as the specific purpose for the ARD. I would also document the conversation with the teacher with a follow up email and state just the facts, and cc up the line. Good luck! Trish -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of brandigrattonSent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: ( ) lunch hold My son goes to a behavioral school and if he has to go to timeout for behavior or his work is not completed by lunch time he has a lunch hold , i just found out today that when they do a lunch hold the food is sitting out and not warmed up , he has to eat it cold, his teacher said that it is in his iep that they can do that, i looked at his iep and it does says they can hold his lunch, holding the lunch is not the problem that i have ,it is that it is sitting out and

not warmed up and at times it sits there for 2 hours, this is a health issue and what if i just let food sit out at home and then fed it to my son, which i would never do, if the school found this out dcfs would be called on me, is there anything i can do to stop this , any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. When i talked to his teacher about this today , she had an answer for everything and would never give me a straight answer , just said she would let the principal know about my concerns. Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.