In need of help

[Guest guest]

Hi J.R.,

Testosterone is definitely worth a shot, but self-medicating is

generally a bad idea. Maybe you can consult an on-line doc

(anyone here have recommendations?)

It's good to start off with a full range of hormone tests. You

should find out if you're primary or secondary, so you can explore

all options. Startup TRT should include monthly tests of at least

T, free T & E2. Dosage may need to be adjusted. Some guys

don't absorb gels well, and should try something else.

Question: Is it possible you might want to have kids someday?

Getting it right the first time is worth the effort.

Bruce

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>

> Hey guys, I am 22 years old and have been suffering from a

non

> existent libido for years now. Eventually last summer I went to

see a

> Urologist and he measured my testosterone and said it came

in at just

> under 400 and that the problem was probably ED related

instead, so he

> gave me some Viagra. To a certain extent I have found it works

but

> what is fundamentally missing is any desire to have sex and

more

> often than not my erections still aren't hard enough to complete

> intercourse or I have problems climaxing. I read a bit about

> testosterone and decided that low T was my problem and

because I am

> 6'4 " and play a lot of sport I need a higher level but at the

> moment

> I am living in France and rather than struggling with the

Doctors in

> another language I bought some over the net. I have been

using the

> sachets of testogel for a couple of weeks now and have not

really

> noticed any change in Libido, in fact I have not noticed any

change

> at all from using it. I really don't know what to do next, it

> effects

> all my relationships and gets me real down sometimes. If any

of you

> have got any suggestions can let me know,

> Thanks in Advance,

> JR

[Guest guest]

Hi Bruce, thanks a lot for taking the time to reply. I'm not big into

self medication but I really can't face the medical system with my

shaky grasp of the French language so I thought if I could partly

figure out what the problem is then when I come home next summer I

can get it seen too properly.

From what I have read from you guys the two main problems that result

in very low libido are low testosterone and high E2 and seeing that

the Testogel hasn't made any difference could it be possible that my

E2 is too high, or is that not usually a problem for someone that is

22 years old.

Here are my symptoms:

No Libido

Rapid weight loss when not eating or working out exactly right

Awful memory

Nervousnous and tendency to get easily depressed

General tiredness

My biggest problem is with the libido and I have felt this way for

too long and need to get it sorted so any suggestions would be much

appreciated.

Also I do hope to have children, why?

Thanks, JR.

> >

> >

> > Hey guys, I am 22 years old and have been suffering from a

> non

> > existent libido for years now. Eventually last summer I went to

> see a

> > Urologist and he measured my testosterone and said it came

> in at just

> > under 400 and that the problem was probably ED related

> instead, so he

> > gave me some Viagra. To a certain extent I have found it works

> but

> > what is fundamentally missing is any desire to have sex and

> more

> > often than not my erections still aren't hard enough to complete

> > intercourse or I have problems climaxing. I read a bit about

> > testosterone and decided that low T was my problem and

> because I am

> > 6'4 " and play a lot of sport I need a higher level but at the

> > moment

> > I am living in France and rather than struggling with the

> Doctors in

> > another language I bought some over the net. I have been

> using the

> > sachets of testogel for a couple of weeks now and have not

> really

> > noticed any change in Libido, in fact I have not noticed any

> change

> > at all from using it. I really don't know what to do next, it

> > effects

> > all my relationships and gets me real down sometimes. If any

> of you

> > have got any suggestions can let me know,

> > Thanks in Advance,

> > JR

[Guest guest]

Hi JR,

Total T being " just under 400 " * is probably low enough to cause your

symptoms. Hormone therapy can reasonably be expected to reduce or

eliminate those symptoms. It's worth doing, and it's worth doing it right.

I asked about having children because supplemental testosterone can

eventually make you sterile . Not to worry yet, it takes a while. (See why

self-medicating might be a bad idea? There are hidden pitfalls.) Because you

want kids, you should either have some sperm frozen if you're going to

continue TRT, or choose another therapy.

The best way to increase T while preserving fertility is to stimulate your

body's

natural production. I'm GUESSING you have secondary hypogonadism,

meaning your body can make testosterone, it just isn't making enough. That's

based on your total T being " just under 400 " *, which I THINK is high enough

to indicate you can make T. It takes a stimulation test to make sure.

If your hypogonadism is primary, your body cannot make T, so TRT is the only

way to go.

Many docs won't diagnose or treat hypogonadism with total T being slightly " in

range " , like yours. Seems to me your uro glanced at the number, disregarded

that it's very low for a 22 year old, and ignored the symptoms you described.

It's hard to find a good hormone doc in the US, I don't know about France. If

you really need an English-speaking doc, a Google search with keywords: '

medical doctor france " english speaking " ' gives a lot of resources. Or, maybe

you can connect with Dr. Crisler, an online hormone doc at:

http://www.ALLTHINGSMALE.com

I don't know him, other guys here do.

Back to your original question, you could expect Testogel results after 3-4

weeks, but everyone's different. Some people don't absorb through skin well.

You could stay on the Testogel for a little while to see if you get results. If

you

don't get results that doesn't prove much: there are a number of different

things that need to be checked if results are poor. Here's a potential problem:

With the Testogel your T will go up. You'll probably feel a boost. After a month

or two your natural T production will shut down. At that point your body will be

relying almost entirely on the supplemental T. Without natural T your T will

drop back down to about where it was at the start. Getting it back up again will

require increasing the Testogel. Now at some point you'll probably want to

stop Testogel (to preserve fertility or get a stimulation test). Without

supplemental T and with natural T production supressed, your levels will drop

below where they were when you started. So you'll feel worse than when you

started.

My advice: Stop the Testogel, find a competent doc and get a stimulation test.

I'm not a doc & I'm not as smart as I think I am. Get some opinions from others

here.

Best,

Bruce

* " Just under 400 " * is a little too vague. Can you get a copy of the lab report?

That's also helpful for posting the ranges: different labs use different ranges,

so try to post them too.

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey guys, I am 22 years old and have been suffering from a

> > non

> > > existent libido for years now. Eventually last summer I went to

> > see a

> > > Urologist and he measured my testosterone and said it came

> > in at just

> > > under 400 and that the problem was probably ED related

> > instead, so he

> > > gave me some Viagra. To a certain extent I have found it works

> > but

> > > what is fundamentally missing is any desire to have sex and

> > more

> > > often than not my erections still aren't hard enough to complete

> > > intercourse or I have problems climaxing. I read a bit about

> > > testosterone and decided that low T was my problem and

> > because I am

> > > 6'4 " and play a lot of sport I need a higher level but at the

> > > moment

> > > I am living in France and rather than struggling with the

> > Doctors in

> > > another language I bought some over the net. I have been

> > using the

> > > sachets of testogel for a couple of weeks now and have not

> > really

> > > noticed any change in Libido, in fact I have not noticed any

> > change

> > > at all from using it. I really don't know what to do next, it

> > > effects

> > > all my relationships and gets me real down sometimes. If any

> > of you

> > > have got any suggestions can let me know,

> > > Thanks in Advance,

> > > JR

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil, just a quick sidenote, I did used to have very hard nipples

that got sore when rubbing against a tshirt and playing sport. It

lasted two or three years but went away at about the age of 18/19. I

always just thought it was a part of puberty and now my nipples seem

to be fine although my right one does have a couple of permenant spot

like things on it that I burst and empty of a white gue every couple

of months. It's a bit random, I know, and it sounds disgusting but

you wouldn't notice unless you were looking.

Thanks, JR

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 16:30:07 -0000, you wrote:

>I felt really terrible, was way more pannicky and nervous, so I can't

>imagine what it would feel like to come off it after a long time.

I got that feeling early on. I think its from rising E2.

When I got E2 in check all those sort of feelings left.

- - - -

Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

JR,

If it happens regularly like that, i would say get it checked out.

Sounds like some sort of recurring infection.

Mark

>

>

> Hi Phil, just a quick sidenote, I did used to have very hard nipples

> that got sore when rubbing against a tshirt and playing sport. It

> lasted two or three years but went away at about the age of 18/19. I

> always just thought it was a part of puberty and now my nipples seem

> to be fine although my right one does have a couple of permenant spot

> like things on it that I burst and empty of a white gue every couple

> of months. It's a bit random, I know, and it sounds disgusting but

> you wouldn't notice unless you were looking.

> Thanks, JR

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I can’t post messages because my job wont allow me to

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I have a child that I work with who has a diagnosis of

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