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Robin, In NY aspergers isn't considered a dignosised, but can be listed as a classification. autism can be listed as a dx. My son is dignosised with autism and his classification is aspergers. Does this differ from state to state? and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: Yep. That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as

ADHD. Robindebmetsfanaol wrote: The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD. I don't know what you are saying no to. Deb In a message dated 10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes: Deb, a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can

be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote: We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has it. They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for

life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does. Deb In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net writes: Deb, Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here. [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives

us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile,

but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL

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Hi Rose. I know that was classified under "autism" when he was in school. But for insurance,,,,,and the therapies, etc,,,,,,,ADHD is still the primary dx. I guess whatever pays the bill, right? Ha. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002@...> wrote: Robin, In NY aspergers isn't considered a dignosised, but can be listed as a classification. autism can be listed as a dx. My son is dignosised with autism and his classification is aspergers.

Does this differ from state to state? and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Yep. That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as ADHD. Robindebmetsfanaol wrote: The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD. I don't know what you are saying no to. Deb In a message dated

10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes: Deb, a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote: We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has it. They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with

it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does. Deb In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net writes: Deb, Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here. [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice

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Hi Robin "Right"!! I agree. I am so confused with these insurances. It seems like there are too many loop holes in there for the agencies that involve us paying. I learned this through (bad) experience. right on the application. State: as per our insurance policy, they are accepting this dx and will provide/pay you for services for my child. If your not participating with my insurance, do not accept this application... *I bet you have better wording for this. but my point is, if the provider doesn't accept your insurance - don't proceed. have that written right on the application...ask for a copy of that application. but (only if you have experienced problems with your insurance or choice of doctors, billing office)...I have. and/or Robin Lemke

<jrisjs@...> wrote: Hi Rose. I know that was classified under "autism" when he was in school. But for insurance,,,,,and the therapies, etc,,,,,,,ADHD is still the primary dx. I guess whatever pays the bill, right? Ha. RobinRose <beachbodytan2002 > wrote: Robin, In NY aspergers isn't considered a dignosised, but can be

listed as a classification. autism can be listed as a dx. My son is dignosised with autism and his classification is aspergers. Does this differ from state to state? and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Yep. That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as ADHD. Robindebmetsfanaol wrote: The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD. I don't know what you are saying no to. Deb In a message dated 10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes: Deb, a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote: We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has

it. They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does. Deb In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net writes: Deb, Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here. [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra

research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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That's interesting how this insurance works. It's so messed up! It should just be Mental Health. I've never had a problem with any of my insurance covering what she needed through the years - psychiatrist, play group therapy, family therapy. I guess we've been lucky.

Deb

In a message dated 10/31/2007 8:26:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrisjs@... writes:

Yep.

That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as ADHD.

Robindebmetsfanaol wrote:

The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD.

I don't know what you are saying no to.

Deb

In a message dated 10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes:

Deb,

a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote:

We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has it.

They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does.

Deb

In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net writes:

Deb,

Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here.

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I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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It can be so confusing with these different perspectives from doctors, insurance companies, counselors, etc.

In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:50:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, DOLEZAL123@... writes:

Okay, correct me if I am wrong here, but we have a DSM-IV book, and that is universal for all psychiatrist and the mental health community, so NO, I certainly don't think it varies state to state. You have depression in Iowa, Africa, or California, it is DEPRESSION. If you have cancer, you have it no matter where you are!!!! So, that just seems ridiculous to ME!!!! What it is for insurance, I have NO CLUE, but you should be able to get honest evaluations of your child, period (or yourself or anyone else for that matter)....if not, then what would be the point of mental health professionals.

And, this 'not that bad.....' URGH!!!!! That is something we hear with diabetes... which is an old myth.....people used to ask us, well how bad IS IT???? Well, diabetes is diabetes; it is not 'so bad he has a pump now' or whatever; (and that is a myth, too, as pumps' goal is to act like a pancreas-----)----stable sugars are important to being able to have a pump (puberty, for example, is NOT a good time to start it according to the professionals working with us).....but you either ARE or ARE not a diabetic. You are either PREGNANT or NOT PREGNANT....there is no little about it.....in my opinion (and what we have been told by professionals....this mentality is what our schools treat us like!!)

I am pretty sure that, if you went to most therapist and / or psychologist, and / or psychiatrists, I am certain they would be APPAULED with this differentiation from someone in their field!!!! Ask some other counselors, etc., but I just can't believe that is something they would promote!!!! That is ridiculous!!! They work from the DSM-IV manual at this time (there is a new one coming out, believe in 2008---I have heard professionals refer to it---can't remember the exact year---but right now, today, it is still the DSM-IV manual!

Ruthie

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I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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It would be interesting to see. I don't know how they filled out the paperwork for the insurance companies, but whenever I called up to get preapproval, I told them that she has "Asperger's, a form of autism."

Deb

In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:44:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrisjs@... writes:

Yeah. It's kind of freaky.

Schools sometimes want you to be "ok" with a more severe dx for more services. But then sometimes you fight for them to give you what your kid needs. Makes me wonder if it's all a big money game.

Thankfully,,,,,there are docs out there who will "adjust" dx's so that insurance will pay.

Wierd.

I wonder if the REAL dx's were reported on records to the insurance companies,,,,,,,,,if the # of kids reported to the public as having a form of autism would skyrocket????

Robindebmetsfanaol wrote:

It seems like it does differ! The psychiatrist said Asperger's, a form of autism. I researched it through books and the internet. I let the child study team know the diagnosis, and they asked me how i would like classified; she was already classified as ADHD and OCD. I said "autism." I told the psychiatrist that I had her classified as autism, and her response was, "She's not that bad!" But then she said, "Well, she will be entitled to more services, then, with the autism classification."

Deb

In a message dated 10/31/2007 9:12:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes:

Robin,

In NY aspergers isn't considered a dignosised, but can be listed as a classification. autism can be listed as a dx. My son is dignosised with autism and his classification is aspergers. Does this differ from state to state?

and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote:

Yep.

That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as ADHD.

Robindebmetsfanaol wrote:

The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD.

I don't know what you are saying no to.

Deb

In a message dated 10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes:

Deb,

a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote:

We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has it.

They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does.

Deb

In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net writes:

Deb,

Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here.

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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Ruthie, You have many good points here. I have so many problems with insurance, makes a person want to cry! I now learned to write on the application itself, If your not participating with this DX, 'don't see us'!!!...then I ask for a copy of that application. the ins. personal at billing don't want to hear anything BUT pay out of pocket, you should of read the policy. So, I was confused when reading post that reads, (in some states) they have to have a dx of Autism not aspergers for the insurance to cover treatment, or like Roxanne wrote a concern with her insurance. so for her son to get treated for something, they can't mention the word autism because the insurance won't cover it. (I don't remember the exact wording she used, I'm sure she will correct me) AMAZING, while in NY they would accept an autism dx. Now you mentioned it shouldn't differ from state to state, but it sure

seems like it. RUTHIE BRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123@...> wrote: Okay, correct me if I am wrong here, but we have a DSM-IV book, and that is universal for all psychiatrist and the mental health community, so NO, I certainly don't think it varies state to state. You have depression in Iowa, Africa, or California, it is DEPRESSION. If you have cancer, you have it no matter where you are!!!! So, that just seems ridiculous

to ME!!!! What it is for insurance, I have NO CLUE, but you should be able to get honest evaluations of your child, period (or yourself or anyone else for that matter)....if not, then what would be the point of mental health professionals. And, this 'not that bad.....' URGH!!!!! That is something we hear with diabetes... which is an old myth.....people used to ask us, well how bad IS IT???? Well, diabetes is diabetes; it is not 'so bad he has a pump now' or whatever; (and that is a myth, too, as pumps' goal is to act like a pancreas-----)----stable sugars are important to being able to have a pump (puberty, for example, is NOT a good time to start it according to the professionals working with us).....but you either ARE or ARE not a diabetic. You are either PREGNANT or NOT PREGNANT....there is no little about it.....in my opinion (and what we have been told by professionals....this mentality is what our

schools treat us like!!) I am pretty sure that, if you went to most therapist and / or psychologist, and / or psychiatrists, I am certain they would be APPAULED with this differentiation from someone in their field!!!! Ask some other counselors, etc., but I just can't believe that is something they would promote!!!! That is ridiculous!!! They work from the DSM-IV manual at this time (there is a new one coming out, believe in 2008---I have heard professionals refer to it---can't remember the exact year---but right now, today, it is still the DSM-IV manual! Ruthie [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese

were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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It IS sick, isn't it? But I'm sure that's why some seem to struggle to get someone to SEE their child as THEY do and to get a dx for some help and others seem to have a willing doctor. Sad. RobinRUTHIE BRYAN DOLEZAL <DOLEZAL123@...> wrote: Okay, correct me if I am wrong here, but we have a DSM-IV book, and that is universal for all psychiatrist and the mental health community, so NO, I certainly don't

think it varies state to state. You have depression in Iowa, Africa, or California, it is DEPRESSION. If you have cancer, you have it no matter where you are!!!! So, that just seems ridiculous to ME!!!! What it is for insurance, I have NO CLUE, but you should be able to get honest evaluations of your child, period (or yourself or anyone else for that matter)....if not, then what would be the point of mental health professionals. And, this 'not that bad.....' URGH!!!!! That is something we hear with diabetes... which is an old myth.....people used to ask us, well how bad IS IT???? Well, diabetes is diabetes; it is not 'so bad he has a pump now' or whatever; (and that is a myth, too, as pumps' goal is to act like a pancreas-----)----stable sugars are important to being able to have a pump (puberty, for example, is NOT a good time to start it according to the professionals working with us).....but you

either ARE or ARE not a diabetic. You are either PREGNANT or NOT PREGNANT....there is no little about it.....in my opinion (and what we have been told by professionals....this mentality is what our schools treat us like!!) I am pretty sure that, if you went to most therapist and / or psychologist, and / or psychiatrists, I am certain they would be APPAULED with this differentiation from someone in their field!!!! Ask some other counselors, etc., but I just can't believe that is something they would promote!!!! That is ridiculous!!! They work from the DSM-IV manual at this time (there is a new one coming out, believe in 2008---I have heard professionals refer to it---can't remember the exact year---but right now, today, it is still the DSM-IV manual! Ruthie [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice

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I think we've been lucky, too,,,,,,even though we've had to flip dx's a bit here and there. Heck,,,,I've even had the gal from insurance (on the phone) tell me to make sure that ADHD is listed as the primary dx or to have him put AUTISM instead of AS. It's all about the fine print and $. Oh well. Robindebmetsfan@... wrote: That's interesting how this insurance works. It's so messed up! It should just be

Mental Health. I've never had a problem with any of my insurance covering what she needed through the years - psychiatrist, play group therapy, family therapy. I guess we've been lucky. Deb In a message dated 10/31/2007 8:26:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrisjs writes: Yep. That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as ADHD. Robindebmetsfanaol wrote:

The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD. I don't know what you are saying no to. Deb In a message dated 10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes: Deb, a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote: We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has it. They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does. Deb In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net

writes: Deb, Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here. [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes

will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3

subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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Roxanna, do you know anything about any of this stuff??

My husband wonders if there is something different state-to-state, but I can tell you that the DSM-IV is universal (and he agrees with that). If there is something state-to-state, we are not sure what it would be, as the only thing I know of, personally (and I do want to be a therapist when we can allow me to commute to a school to do---probably AFTER my Asperger's boys are grown), is the licensing and their hours, but even those, are pretty universal I am pretty sure (other than it is issued state by state and perhaps the hours are called something different state to state).

Interestingly, the school is diagnosis YOUR KIDS??? Our school psychiatrist evaluated our son but refused to diagnosis?? That is weird to us, too. It is MESSED UP!!!! WEIRD STUFF....

Ruthie

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I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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I never would have guessed BP being denied. What are you gonna do? Do you have to let your son hear the reason from THEM and then HE'LL tell you the scoop, ,,,or what? What are you gonna do? Bastards. RobinToni <kbtoni@...> wrote: We had tried to get insurance for n and Noah since they can't be on dh because they are not in school yet. we got a call yesterday that n was DENIED. Haven't gotten the

letter and the lady couldn't tell me why ( privacy) but when I asked if it was because he was bipolar she said , probably yes, that they go back and look at medical records. I said well, that is part of his aspergers and they accept that? Yes, but not bipolar. Noah's is still pending.. I said well, Noah has OCD and depression with his aspergers and she said they accept depression and OCD but not bipolar. Does that make sense to anybody? I'm so disappointed, and angry and had a good cleansing cry... Toni [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes

will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3

subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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Dh is very mad ( I'm kind of glad , usually it's just me) and he wants to appeal. The lady said we could get group insurance (costs much more) because if one company denies they all will. I said we need to reapply for SS and get an attorney. I don't know what to do. We can afford dr visits but what happens if he ( they?) get really sick and has to be hospitalized? They are going to send a letter with the reason for the denial. He ( n) would NEVER talk to them on the phone. Yet another reason I don't understand why he was denied Dept Of Dev Disability blah blah. I told them he can't shop, answer the phone, advocate for himself, drive a car, etc and even though we answered all the questions and he sat on the floor the whole time, he doesn't qualify because of his INTELLIGENCE!!! Hello....it's a DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY NOT AN INTELLIGENCE DISABILITY... and now I'll quit stewing about that ( it only happened 1 yr ago or so.. need to let it go...) sorry for the ranting and raving... Toni (going to the corner for bad behavior)

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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That doesn't make sense to me at all! But whenever I've had insurance coverage through my different jobs, there was someone different that I had to call for Mental Health. For example, I think I had CHN one time but I had to call Magellan for Mental Health issues. Maybe you have something like that? The HR department at your husband's job should know. I've never had a problem with 's issues being covered so I really don't understand why other people do.

Deb

In a message dated 11/1/2007 1:47:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kbtoni@... writes:

We had tried to get insurance for n and Noah since they can't be on dh because they are not in school yet. we got a call yesterday that n was DENIED. Haven't gotten the letter and the lady couldn't tell me why ( privacy) but when I asked if it was because he was bipolar she said , probably yes, that they go back and look at medical records. I said well, that is part of his aspergers and they accept that? Yes, but not bipolar. Noah's is still pending.. I said well, Noah has OCD and depression with his aspergers and she said they accept depression and OCD but not bipolar. Does that make sense to anybody? I'm so disappointed, and angry and had a good cleansing cry... Toni

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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I wonder if that's how our doctor's have done it; I don't know. I know they mark the DSM-IV. I think that's all that I have seen on the insurance form.

Deb

In a message dated 11/1/2007 8:09:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrisjs@... writes:

I think we've been lucky, too,,,,,,even though we've had to flip dx's a bit here and there.

Heck,,,,I've even had the gal from insurance (on the phone) tell me to make sure that ADHD is listed as the primary dx or to have him put AUTISM instead of AS.

It's all about the fine print and $.

Oh well.

Robindebmetsfanaol wrote:

That's interesting how this insurance works. It's so messed up! It should just be Mental Health. I've never had a problem with any of my insurance covering what she needed through the years - psychiatrist, play group therapy, family therapy. I guess we've been lucky.

Deb

In a message dated 10/31/2007 8:26:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jrisjs writes:

Yep.

That was us, too. He was dx'd with AS as the "primary",,,,,,but so insurance would cover it and the school to LEGALLY offer help,,,,,the primary dx had to be listed as ADHD.

Robindebmetsfanaol wrote:

The DDD does not take ADHD children. They told me that. qualified because she has AS - along with ADHD, OCD, and ODD.

I don't know what you are saying no to.

Deb

In a message dated 10/29/2007 12:32:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, beachbodytan2002 writes:

Deb,

a person can have a diagnosis of aspergers and have adhd to, which is related to aspergers. Also, a person can be mis-diagnosed with adhd and when re-evaluated finds out they have aspergers. to answer you direct question - nodebmetsfanaol wrote:

We are in NJ, but I'm under the impression that every state has it.

They weren't going to accept - we had to go for an interview and I guess she seemed "normal" and "with it". But then I told the interviewer how took a broom and used the handle to poke 52 marks in the ceiling. The interviewer said that convinced her that needed help! They don't get involved with the IEP's until the kids are ready to leave high school. But it's a comfort to know that they will always be there for her - they will be for the rest of her life. Once you're in, you're in for life. ADHD does not qualify for Asperger's does.

Deb

In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:05:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shamrocks0627verizon (DOT) net writes:

Deb,

Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. In fact, I am having the most difficult time getting her re evaluated here.

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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I was just remembering - there is something for Catastrophic Illness also - if your medical bills are more than 10% of your pay, you're eligible!

Deb

In a message dated 10/31/2007 11:26:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, @... writes:

Deb, Where do you guys live? I have never heard of anything like that here in PA. ,Most (if not all) states have some state services that fall under Developmental Disabilities. Here in NC, it is under our Dept. of Health & Human Services (DHHS). And a lot of states (if not all) have Medicaid Waiver programs and some are geared towards those with developmental disabilities (DD), some states may have some geared towards autism (which falls under DD). With the Waiver services, it can cover services that Medicaid covers plus extra ones. You might search your state for DD services or Medicaid Waiver, see what you find.Quick explanation and typing,

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Sorry to hear it, Toni. I don't blame you for being mad, but I have to say, I'm not surprised. Insurance companies *hate* bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder need shrinks for medication. They need to avoid stress so lots of them need therapists, too. Then there's the occasional wigging out (either mania or depression) (some people have it under good control and don't do this) which necessitates a stay in the hospital. I have bipolar disorder, and I've cost my insurance company a bundle. They would love to see the end of me. None of which makes it right for them to discriminate against the mentally ill. It sucks. I think it's a great idea to get an attorney and re-apply for SS. And no need to go to the corner. The insurance company deserves the swats in this caseLizOn Nov 1, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Toni wrote:Dh is very mad ( I'm kind of glad , usually it's just me) and he wants to appeal. The lady said we could get group insurance (costs much more) because if one company denies they all will. I said we need to reapply for SS and get an attorney. I don't know what to do. We can afford dr visits but what happens if he ( they?)  get really sick and has to be hospitalized? They are going to send a letter with the reason for the denial. He ( n)  would NEVER talk to them on the phone. Yet another reason I don't understand why he was denied Dept Of Dev Disability blah blah. I told them he can't shop, answer the phone, advocate for himself, drive a car, etc and even though we answered all the questions and he sat on the floor the whole time, he doesn't qualify because of his INTELLIGENCE!!! Hello....it's a DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY NOT AN INTELLIGENCE DISABILITY...  and now I'll quit stewing about that ( it only happened 1  yr ago or so.. need to let it go...) sorry for the ranting and raving... Toni (going to the corner for bad behavior)

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Thanks Liz for explaining it...it still doesn't seem right to discriminate against one particular type of mental illness.. I guess I am just naive.You are right the insurance companies need the swats on this one ( I'd say more like a beating ..lol) Toni

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Sorry to hear it, Toni. I don't blame you for being mad, but I have to say, I'm not surprised. Insurance companies *hate* bipolar disorder. People with bipolar disorder need shrinks for medication. They need to avoid stress so lots of them need therapists, too. Then there's the occasional wigging out (either mania or depression) (some people have it under good control and don't do this) which necessitates a stay in the hospital. I have bipolar disorder, and I've cost my insurance company a bundle. They would love to see the end of me. None of which makes it right for them to discriminate against the mentally ill. It sucks. I think it's a great idea to get an attorney and re-apply for SS. And no need to go to the corner. The insurance company deserves the swats in this case

Liz

On Nov 1, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Toni wrote:

Dh is very mad ( I'm kind of glad , usually it's just me) and he wants to appeal. The lady said we could get group insurance (costs much more) because if one company denies they all will. I said we need to reapply for SS and get an attorney. I don't know what to do. We can afford dr visits but what happens if he ( they?) get really sick and has to be hospitalized? They are going to send a letter with the reason for the denial. He ( n) would NEVER talk to them on the phone. Yet another reason I don't understand why he was denied Dept Of Dev Disability blah blah. I told them he can't shop, answer the phone, advocate for himself, drive a car, etc and even though we answered all the questions and he sat on the floor the whole time, he doesn't qualify because of his INTELLIGENCE!!! Hello....it's a DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY NOT AN INTELLIGENCE DISABILITY... and now I'll quit stewing about that ( it only happened 1 yr ago or so.. need to let it go...) sorry for the ranting and raving... Toni (going to the corner for bad behavior)

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I'm so sorry. Hey....if you HAVE to go to the corner,,,,,,at least take a little chicken and some salad with you. Hee heeToni <kbtoni@...> wrote: Dh is very mad ( I'm kind of glad , usually it's just me) and he wants to appeal. The lady said we could get group insurance (costs much more) because if one company denies they all will. I said we need to reapply for SS and get an attorney. I don't know what to do. We can afford dr visits but what happens if he (

they?) get really sick and has to be hospitalized? They are going to send a letter with the reason for the denial. He ( n) would NEVER talk to them on the phone. Yet another reason I don't understand why he was denied Dept Of Dev Disability blah blah. I told them he can't shop, answer the phone, advocate for himself, drive a car, etc and even though we answered all the questions and he sat on the floor the whole time, he doesn't qualify because of his INTELLIGENCE!!! Hello....it's a DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITY NOT AN INTELLIGENCE DISABILITY... and now I'll quit stewing about that ( it only happened 1 yr ago or so.. need to let it go...) sorry for the ranting and raving... Toni (going to the corner for bad behavior) [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for

being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________

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that's just awful Toni !!!!!

I hope something breaks for you soon.....

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From: kbtoni@...Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:15:38 -0400Subject: Re: [sPAM]Re: [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

Thanks !..These same kids were denied SS and help from DMHDD (or whatever the dev disabilities agency is called) Doesn't make a BIT of sense to me...too intelligent for help but you can't get insurance because of his diagnosis...

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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Dh said we could get COBRA through work but it would be about 350$ apiece a month and we were trying to get something cheaper...I guess we'll have to bite the bullet and pay an arm and a leg with COBRA...

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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Maybe I could call the pdoc and ask him to change his diagnosis since he hasn't been on any meds since about Feb..for anything.. and had no crisis'. I bet though since they went back and looked at his records and his has been hospitalized (at Central State) it won't make any difference now... Toni

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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Thanks, .. It's always something

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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COBRA is very expensive! We were on that for a while and I couldn't afford to keep us both on it. I had to stay on it because I was having surgery so I had to take off and pay full price for doctors and meds. It was very difficult; but cheaper than paying for surgery and physical therapy for me. I remember it was over $700 per month for the two of us, and I was just being paid disability at the time.

Deb

In a message dated 11/2/2007 11:31:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kbtoni@... writes:

Dh said we could get COBRA through work but it would be about 350$ apiece a month and we were trying to get something cheaper...I guess we'll have to bite the bullet and pay an arm and a leg with COBRA...

[sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns

I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement!

's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true.

Deb

In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes:

Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate

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Deb, do you have health insurance for now? Because you can apply for HEALTH PLEX for . its for kids under 18. you can go to the hospitals or doctors office for the application to apply. Also, does your school have Health Zone? - might be called something different at each school. but it's at no cost to you... and can see a doctor (different from school nurse) in the school if she's not feeling well. that school doctor can also call in prescriptions for you too. If this doesn't work for you in your state. Please post this asking about medical insurance for your child and others will respond with other choices for you to choose.debmetsfan@... wrote: COBRA is very expensive! We were on that for a while and I couldn't afford to keep us both on it. I had to stay on it because I was having surgery so I had to take off and pay full price for doctors and meds. It was very difficult; but cheaper than paying for surgery and physical therapy for me. I remember it was over $700 per month for the two of us, and I was just being paid disability at the time. Deb In a message dated 11/2/2007 11:31:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kbtoniwindstream (DOT) net writes: Dh said we could get COBRA through work but it would be about 350$ apiece a month and we were trying to get something cheaper...I guess we'll have to bite the bullet and pay an arm and a leg with COBRA... [sPAM]Re: ( ) Re: teenage concerns I love hearing the success stories! That gives us encouragement! 's special ed teacher last year said that would do well in college because all the kids will want to be there, not have to be there, and their attitudes will be different. I hope that is true. Deb In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:05:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kate.hughesfirenet (DOT) uk.net writes: Deb, Rose, Heidi, Liz, , Toni, Jerry, My Iain was called wierdo for years and hated it so much! He never got thecliques either, but now he does OK.We had Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, Anime.. butthese

were the moments when Iain gotr street cred. for being ahead of thegame! He also went through reluctance to shower for awhile, but now bathsEVERY day - sometimes twice! Homework was ghastly for ages too [he resentedusaing his time when school already used up too much of it] - now collegeare so pleased with him - he enjoys his 3 subjects [was sooo glad to dropall he's bad at!!] - he even does extra research!Kate Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Debbie SalernoMaine Coon RescueBoard MemberDNA ManagerEastern Regional DirectorVice Presidentwww.mainecoonrescue.net See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __________________________________________________