Re: Son about to be tested for AS

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Estelle - I have a 5 yr old boy, HFA and a 3 yr old boy, NT - but I kept my eye on the second boy while he developed and when his language was slowing up I immediately got him County intervention and private S & L. Turns out he had hearing loss... but we caught it very early. Anyway, #2 always copies #1 but there are some significant social differences, such as cuddling, attention grabbing, eye contact. Unfortunately he copies the compliance, oppositional and aggressive behaviors instead - just my luck... Anyway, at 2 yrs old, I enrolled #2 in two different preschools so he could have lots of exposure to NT children and more positive behaviors and I think it does make a difference. If expenses are tight then take them all to lots of parks, playgrounds, and play dates so you can maximize their exposure to appropriate behaviors right away. This helps everyone (including Mom) ASD or not.... I

also have a 6 month baby so now my I'm keeping my eye out for her too.... Peace, Cherylestellelws <estellelws@...> wrote: Hi All,Our ds Adam who is 4 and 6mths is about to be tested for AS in a few weeks. He was alos diagnoised with Sensory Processing Disorder a few weeks ago. We also have two other children a girl of almost 11 and a boy of 2 and 2mths. Our 2 year old had his development test yesterday and I told them my concerns for him,

fleeting eye contact, very few words and phrases, toe walks sometimes and flaps his hand when excited. Anyway it was decided that he be refered on to Early Intervention. The doctor said it is quite possibe that it is copied behaviour learnt from his big brother. I know this has come up in the past on this list, but I was wondering does any one know what are the chances of out younger ds having issues like his big brother? Any advice sure would be great as I just feel like I don't know where to turn right now.This group is great and I have learnt so much from it in the last few months. Thanks guys!Estelle.

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> Hi All,

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Hi Estelle,

While it could be copied behavior, why take the chance? Early

intervention is crucial to find out. Don't take any chances. If only

we knew the signs early on. I could cry when I think about it. Learn

to trust your gut instinct. Good luck, and blessings to your family.

Penny

> Our ds Adam who is 4 and 6mths is about to be tested for AS in a few

> weeks. He was alos diagnoised with Sensory Processing Disorder a few

> weeks ago. We also have two other children a girl of almost 11 and a

> boy of 2 and 2mths.

>

> Our 2 year old had his development test yesterday and I told them my

> concerns for him, fleeting eye contact, very few words and phrases,

> toe walks sometimes and flaps his hand when excited. Anyway it was

> decided that he be refered on to Early Intervention. The doctor said

> it is quite possibe that it is copied behaviour learnt from his big

> brother. I know this has come up in the past on this list, but I was

> wondering does any one know what are the chances of out younger ds

> having issues like his big brother? Any advice sure would be great

> as I just feel like I don't know where to turn right now.

>

> This group is great and I have learnt so much from it in the last

> few months. Thanks guys!

>

> Estelle.

>

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Hi Penny Thanks so much for your advice and kind words.coffeenut5 <coffeenut5@...> wrote: >> Hi All,> Hi Estelle,While it could be copied behavior, why take the chance? Earlyintervention is crucial to find out. Don't take any chances. If onlywe knew the signs early on. I could cry when I

think about it. Learnto trust your gut instinct. Good luck, and blessings to your family.Penny> Our ds Adam who is 4 and 6mths is about to be tested for AS in a few > weeks. He was alos diagnoised with Sensory Processing Disorder a few > weeks ago. We also have two other children a girl of almost 11 and a > boy of 2 and 2mths. > > Our 2 year old had his development test yesterday and I told them my > concerns for him, fleeting eye contact, very few words and phrases, > toe walks sometimes and flaps his hand when excited. Anyway it was > decided that he be refered on to Early Intervention. The doctor said > it is quite possibe that it is copied behaviour learnt from his big > brother. I know this has come up in the past on this list, but I was > wondering does any one know what are the chances of out younger ds > having issues like his big brother? Any advice sure

would be great > as I just feel like I don't know where to turn right now.> > This group is great and I have learnt so much from it in the last > few months. Thanks guys!> > Estelle.>Estelle x x x

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Hi Marie Thanks so much for the advice and I will now watch out for the flapping while his back is turned and whilst he his watching a fav programe on tv or an activity that he enjoys. He doesn't really flap but what he does is with both hands at the same time he makes his fingers touch the palm of his hands in a repetitive way. Maybe this is classed as flapping I am not sure, what do you think? Thanks again. Estelle.Marie Downey <rmdowney@...> wrote: Hello Estelle, Although Research has not 100% proven there is a genetic link with ASD, there is definitely a genetic predisposition and your chances of having another child on the spectrum when you have 1 is higher than if you have none. Also ASD is 4X more likely to occur with boys than girls. I don't know of any exact statistics on it amongst siblings, but I do know with identical twins there is a 60% chance if one has an ASD diagnosis then the other will have an ASD diagnosis. They may have a completely different diagnosis but they will both be on the spectrum. With my identical twin boys, one is Aspergers and the other is Autism NOS (not otherwise specified). So, I have 3 children and all of them are ASD plus it is likely so is my hubby too, so I would definitely get it checked out. Another thing you could watch for with the flapping is if it happens while he is focused completely on something else like computer or video games or movies, when no one is watching him, and his back is towards you so you can tell he is not attention seeking. If he does the same behaviour then, then it is possible that it is natural and not copied. Hope this helps some, Marie Helping People Find... www.Freedom4Families.com ( ) Son about to be tested for AS Hi All,Our ds Adam who is 4 and 6mths is about to be tested for AS in a few weeks. He was alos diagnoised with Sensory Processing Disorder a few weeks ago. We also have two other children a girl of almost 11 and a boy of 2 and

2mths. Our 2 year old had his development test yesterday and I told them my concerns for him, fleeting eye contact, very few words and phrases, toe walks sometimes and flaps his hand when excited. Anyway it was decided that he be refered on to Early Intervention. The doctor said it is quite possibe that it is copied behaviour learnt from his big brother. I know this has come up in the past on this list, but I was wondering does any one know what are the chances of out younger ds having issues like his big brother? Any advice sure would be great as I just feel like I don't know where to turn right now.This group is great and I have learnt so much from it in the last few months. Thanks guys!Estelle. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/889 - Release Date:

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Hi Estelle,

There are many ways to "flap" persay, both of my boys do it but it is different for both of them. Plus I have worked with autistic adults and they were all different with how they "flapped" too. But it is definitely a repeatitive behaviour that is for certain, and it doesn't fit the situation they are in at the moment when they are doing it either.

That would be the other thing to check too, to see if he is copying the older's behaviour exactly. I used to think my identical twins "flapped" the same way but they don't at all. My more severe son gets his whole body into it, head goes forward and back too, plus sometimes he will take to jumping whereas my other twin will only do the jumping if he is really into it. If there are any differences that will help you and the specialists to determine if is it natural behaviour or copied

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My son would stretch out his fingers and bend them in wierd ways.......or have different tips touch different tips.....if you know what I mean. He never classic "flapped", though. Hmmm.......now I'm thinking of all the different stuff. He would also suck on his fingers......and almost up to his hands.........usually in stressful times....I guess. I remember telling him he was going to get sick from sucking on his hands....all the germs. RobinEstelle <estellelws@...> wrote: Hi Marie Thanks so much for the advice and I will now watch out for the flapping while his back is turned and whilst he his watching a fav programe on tv or an activity that he enjoys. He doesn't really flap but what he does is with both hands at the same time he makes his fingers touch the palm of his hands in a repetitive way. Maybe this is classed as flapping I am not sure, what do you think? Thanks again. Estelle.Marie Downey <rmdowneyrogers> wrote: Hello Estelle, Although Research has not 100% proven there is a genetic link

with ASD, there is definitely a genetic predisposition and your chances of having another child on the spectrum when you have 1 is higher than if you have none. Also ASD is 4X more likely to occur with boys than girls. I don't know of any exact statistics on it amongst siblings, but I do know with identical twins there is a 60% chance if one has an ASD diagnosis then the other will have an ASD diagnosis. They may have a completely different diagnosis but they will both be on the spectrum. With my identical twin boys, one is Aspergers and the other is Autism NOS (not otherwise specified). So, I have 3 children and all of them are ASD plus it is likely so is my hubby too, so I would definitely get it checked out. Another thing you could watch for with the flapping is if it happens while he is focused completely on something

else like computer or video games or movies, when no one is watching him, and his back is towards you so you can tell he is not attention seeking. If he does the same behaviour then, then it is possible that it is natural and not copied. Hope this helps some, Marie Helping People Find... www.Freedom4Families.com ( ) Son about to be tested for AS Hi All,Our ds Adam who is 4 and 6mths is about to be tested for AS in a few weeks. He was alos diagnoised with Sensory Processing Disorder a few weeks ago. We also have two other children a girl of almost 11 and a boy of 2 and 2mths. Our 2 year old had his development test yesterday and I told them my concerns for him, fleeting eye contact, very few words and phrases, toe walks sometimes and flaps his hand when excited. Anyway it was decided that he be refered on to Early

Intervention. The doctor said it is quite possibe that it is copied behaviour learnt from his big brother. I know this has come up in the past on this list, but I was wondering does any one know what are the chances of out younger ds having issues like his big brother? Any advice sure would be great as I just feel like I don't know where to turn right now.This group is great and I have learnt so much from it in the last few months. Thanks guys!Estelle. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/889 - Release Date: 06/07/2007 8:00 PM Estelle x x x Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now.

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I think the doc is being ignorant, IMO. Most kids don't really copy that many behaviors. Kids will talk if they can - they don't copy "not talking". Anyone tried toe walking for more than a second or two? It isn't easy to keep up! lol. I don't think kids are going to copy that behavior as well past a second or two of it. Then they are bored and want to move faster. How do you learn to copy not making eye contact? I don't think a 2 yo would even catch on to that at that young age, do you? (serious question, not sarcasm.)

Anyway, it really annoys me when people dismiss these things as just "copying," It is more likely that the sibling has similar issues and delays going on, especially when you have a list of problems and not just one thing.

I've even had people IRL say that my 10 yo was copying his big brother, who is 18 yo. They are 8 years apart to begin with, both dx'd with HFA. But both had different problems to manage. So they'd say the younger one was copying big brother and I would deadpan, "Except big brother never did that." LOL. I don't know why people wanted to say that so much. But I have heard it a lot over the years. My conversation also includes the question, "Even if it is learned, he is doing this and he needs help to learn a better behavior." So even if it were true, he would still need help with it. Learning it from big brother doesn't mean it isn't a problem that needs attention.

Anyway, I don't know the exact percetage of probability for having another child with ASD. We asked that questions years ago and we were told it was so slight that we should not even worry about it. They were wrong. I would definitely be right on top of any kind of delay asap in any of my kids. I am so on top of my youngest ds's everything that I know I make them think I'm a crazy parent at the school. But people who know us, and know the other boys, know why I am like that. And I will just tell them, "I am not going to wait and see with this one." Much better to let them think I'm weird than to wait and see a learning problem develop. So do get into the early intervention. If it is a "habit" - then he has to "un-learn" it anyway. But more than likely, he has a few aspie/HFA problems and he needs early intervention.

It is so great to get early intervention as well. I think we eliminated a lot of problems with our 3rd ds just because we pushed for as much early intervention as we could find for all his issues right away. We didn't wait around to see "if" it became a problem or "if" it got worse or "if" he was just copying his brother. (he wasn't!)

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Hi All,Our ds Adam who is 4 and 6mths is about to be tested for AS in a few weeks. He was alos diagnoised with Sensory Processing Disorder a few weeks ago. We also have two other children a girl of almost 11 and a boy of 2 and 2mths. Our 2 year old had his development test yesterday and I told them my concerns for him, fleeting eye contact, very few words and phrases, toe walks sometimes and flaps his hand when excited. Anyway it was decided that he be refered on to Early Intervention. The doctor said it is quite possibe that it is copied behaviour learnt from his big brother. I know this has come up in the past on this list, but I was wondering does any one know what are the chances of out younger ds having issues like his big brother? Any advice sure would be great as I just feel like I don't know where to turn right now.This group is great and I have learnt so much from it in the last few months. Thanks guys!Estelle.

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I have two sons, both on the autism spectrum. They present very differently for the most part. They are 16 and 10. My 16 year old is diagnosed Asperger's. My 10 year old is diagnosed PDD-NOS, Anxiety Disorder (this is a very old diagnosis and we are currently in the process of obtaining an up to date evaluation). The biggest clear difference between my boys is the way they connect with dh and I. Older son very isolative and detached, younger son very enmeshed and attached. They do have some similar interests though, sports and history. Pam :)See what's free at AOL.com.