Re: HFA and Aspergers

February 11, 2008

I have always read that Asperger's is a form of Autism. I have classified as "Autism".

Deb

In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cindyelgamal@... writes:

I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an explanation of differences. Thanks.

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February 11, 2008

At our recent IEP meeting, the morons in special Ed told me that Asperger's is on the autism spectrum but is not really autism. FWIW.

Barbara

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On Mar 6, 2:33pm, " " wrote:

} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used

} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same

} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me

} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an

} explanation of differences. Thanks.

It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believe

they're the same. Other people make a distinction.

Willa

February 11, 2008

Do you know what the distinction is?

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Subject: Re: ( ) HFA and Aspergers

On Mar 6, 2:33pm, " " wrote:

} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used

} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same

} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me

} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an

} explanation of differences. Thanks.

It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believe

they're the same. Other people make a distinction.

Willa

February 11, 2008

I'm probably way off.....and wrong, but I was told that they are the same. AS is on the autism spectrum,.....so the use of HFA puts the "more known" name AUTISM out there for those who may not understand a darned thing we tell them with the word aspergers. Did I make sense? I always say, "Aspergers.....it's a high functioning form of autism." Even though I'm not sure I agree with as being a form of autism. NOW did I make any sense? Ha ha. It's late and Ian in "hoo hooing" in his room and wide awake. I'm sure it's a matter of minutes before I hear him say, "mom.......an-cay I o-gay to the ouch-cay"???? He uses pig-latin so his brother and sisters supposedly can't understand him. Ha ha. RobinWilla Hunt <willaful@...> wrote: On Mar 6, 2:33pm, "" wrote:} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an} explanation of differences. Thanks.It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believethey're the same. Other people make a distinction. Willa

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Aspergers is classified as a form of autism. But, there is also

the term “high functioning autism” and I have heard this term used interchangeably

with Aspergers but have also read they are not the same.

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I have always read that Asperger's is a form of Autism. I

have classified as " Autism " .

Deb

In a message dated 2/11/2008 9:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

cindyelgamal@... writes:

I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes

you see them used interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are

not the same (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please

explain to me if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are

different an explanation of differences. Thanks.

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you there.

February 11, 2008

With HFA, there is a delay in language skills. There's no significant

delay with Aspergers. I think the delay is something like - prior to

age 3.

Where I can get confused is what they mean by " language. " My son's

evaluators felt he had a delay and thus was HFA. I felt he didn't have

a delay and was Aspergers. So on final paperwork, they wrote

HFA/Aspergers. That delay is apparently the only difference between

the two (from what I've read).

Here's one bit I just googled on it:

" One aspect of Asperger's syndrome that differentiates it from autism

appears early in affected children's language development, says

Volkmar. Typical autistic children show language delays--pointing and

grunting--while same-aged children without the disorder are stringing

together simple sentences. In comparison, most children with Asperger's

syndrome grasp language quickly, sometimes even more quickly than their

cohorts. "

My son has a twin (not identical) and both were late in talking, as in

above example. I guess I just feel it didn't " definitely " apply since

twin (who is typical) also had the delay. Which I heard my dad talked

later too. My oldest son wasn't delayed but he attended childcare

always. My mom kept my twins and I think partly there just wasn't a

good " learning environment " for them, that possibly they would have

done better at daycare. (By the time I got home from work, fed, bath

time, etc., there was talking of course by me but not really many hours

out of the day, if that makes sense.) I still recall them both

pointing at things and my trying to get them to say the words, that

sort of thing. Memories, memories! I miss those days! (they're 19

now!)

>

> I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used

> interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the

same

> (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain

to me

February 11, 2008

In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:22:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, CyberMommyLJA@... writes:

At our recent IEP meeting, the morons in special Ed told me that Asperger's is on the autism spectrum but is not really autism. FWIW.

Probably because there is consideration of Asperger's being put into it's own category (not under autism) in the DSM V or VI. Pam :)The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there.

February 11, 2008

Found this...

A. What is high functioning autism, and how does it differ from Asperger syndrome? This is a tricky question, and not one that this article is likely to answer definitively. First, there is no formal diagnosis called "high functioning autism." What's more, there's no agreed upon definition of "high functioning." As a result, while the term "high functioning autism" is often tossed around, it is a hard definition to pin down. Generally speaking, doctors prefer to group people with autistic symptoms into discrete diagnostic categories. Rhett syndrome and Fragile X syndrome are relatively clearcut disorders, and thus are likely to be correctly diagnosed. Classic autism is also fairly clearcut: Children with classic autism are usually non-verbal, unengaged, and unable to perform well on standard diagnostic tests. But then there are the people who are high functioning but also demonstrate clearly autistic behaviors.

For example, depending upon their age, they can use meaningful language, read, write, do math, show affection, complete daily tasks but can't hold eye contact, maintain a conversation, engage in play, pick up on social cues, etc. What is the correct diagnosis for such a child? Is it "Pervasive Developmental Not Otherwise Specified" (PDD-NOS)? Asperger syndrome? High functioning autism?

PDD-NOS is a catch-all diagnosis. Often understood to mean the same thing as "high functioning autistic," it really incorporates individuals at all function levels whose symptoms don't fully correlate with classic autism. So a PDD-NOS diagnosis may provide some information to parents and teachers but cannot guide treatment. Asperger syndrome is a much more specific diagnosis, with specific diagnostic criteria. Until recently, the biggest difference between Asperger syndrome and high functioning autism was based on whether a person developed speech typically as a toddler. Those who did develop speech typically were considered to have Asperger syndrome while those who did not (even if they developed typical speech later) were diagnosed with autism. Now, experts are wondering whether speech development is the best way to distinguish between autism and Asperger syndrome or if there even is a difference. High functioning autism is not an official diagnostic term, though it may be used as such. It tends to describe people who have many or all of the symptoms of autism but did not develop language typically. It's a helpful diagnosis that can help guide appropriate treatment and school placement. On the other hand, it is important to be sure that a "real" diagnosis (that is, one that is described in the official diagnostic manual) is also placed in your records. It is this "real" diagnosis which may pave the way to medical and Social Security benefits down the road. One useful explanation of the difference between Asperger syndrome and high functioning autism comes from the National Autism Society in the UK. Here's what it says:

Both people with HFA and AS are affected by the triad of impairments common to all people with autism. Both groups are likely to be of average or above average intelligence. The debate as to whether we need two diagnostic terms is ongoing. However, there may be features such as age of onset and motor skill deficits which differentiate the two conditions Although it is frustrating to be given a diagnosis which has yet to be clearly defined it is worth remembering that the fundamental presentation of the two conditions is largely the same. This means that treatments, therapies and educational approaches should also be largely similar. At the same time, all people with autism or Asperger syndrome are unique and have their own special skills and abilities. These deserve as much recognition as the areas they have difficulty in.The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there.

February 12, 2008

LOL. What is it "really" then? lol

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Re: ( ) Re: HFA and Aspergers

At our recent IEP meeting, the morons in special Ed told me that Asperger's is on the autism spectrum but is not really autism. FWIW.Barbara"We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school" -- Bruce Springsteen, No Surrender

February 12, 2008

so sweet that Ian,... pig latin, haven't used that in a long time... well.. idday ehay ogay otay theay (haha) ouchcay? no wonder I don't use it anymore, it's too hard for this old brain to figure out ...especially spelling

Re: ( ) HFA and Aspergers

I'm probably way off.....and wrong, but I was told that they are the same. AS is on the autism spectrum,.....so the use of HFA puts the "more known" name AUTISM out there for those who may not understand a darned thing we tell them with the word aspergers. Did I make sense?

I always say, "Aspergers.....it's a high functioning form of autism." Even though I'm not sure I agree with as being a form of autism.

NOW did I make any sense?

Ha ha.

It's late and Ian in "hoo hooing" in his room and wide awake. I'm sure it's a matter of minutes before I hear him say, "mom.......an-cay I o-gay to the ouch-cay"???? He uses pig-latin so his brother and sisters supposedly can't understand him.

Ha ha.

RobinWilla Hunt <willafularmory> wrote:

On Mar 6, 2:33pm, "" wrote:} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an} explanation of differences. Thanks.It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believethey're the same. Other people make a distinction. Willa

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I notice the language delay feature between HFA and AS. My two boys are definitely HFA and had severe language delays. In the AS kids I have been around locally, they will talk your ear off. I have also seen that the testing is different between the two in that for my hfa kids, the performance scores are higher and with the AS kids, usually the verbal scores are higher. I don't know if that is a rule by any means - just something I have noticed over the years and seen when looking at tests of other kids and then at my own kids as well. Kids here who are autistic are almost always scoring higher in performance vs. language/verbal scores. And the kids with AS are usually very verbal overall and test that way. And this has been true even as they got older.

On Tony Attwood's sight, I once read a study they did about the difference - why some kids with autism advanced vs why some did not. There is a group of kids who are dx'd with autism but who suddenly have things kick into gear and are able then to learn to talk and function (high functioning autism, basically). These kids will advance in the early years and join a trajectory that is similar to the kids with AS. So I think the major differences do happen early in development. I think it does affect the kids long term but not like a huge red sign overhead or anything. More subtle issues.

I have always made it a point to correct people working with my two boys who will say they have AS because they do not have AS. I think it's important for them to understand that both boys have dealt with severe speech delays and that they will not have the same large vocabulary as kids with AS usually do have. My 11 yo is more talkative and will sometimes not stop making noises. But my 19 yo only speaks when necessary and then only the shortest words and sentences to get his point across. I don't think we've ever once had to say, "Be quiet, Royce!" lol.

RoxannaAutism Happens

( ) Re: HFA and Aspergers

With HFA, there is a delay in language skills. There's no significant delay with Aspergers. I think the delay is something like - prior to age 3. Where I can get confused is what they mean by "language." My son's evaluators felt he had a delay and thus was HFA. I felt he didn't have a delay and was Aspergers. So on final paperwork, they wrote HFA/Aspergers. That delay is apparently the only difference between the two (from what I've read). Here's one bit I just googled on it:"One aspect of Asperger's syndrome that differentiates it from autism appears early in affected children's language development, says Volkmar. Typical autistic children show language delays--pointing and grunting--while same-aged children without the disorder are stringing together simple sentences. In comparison, most children with Asperger's syndrome grasp language quickly, sometimes even more quickly than their cohorts."My son has a twin (not identical) and both were late in talking, as in above example. I guess I just feel it didn't "definitely" apply since twin (who is typical) also had the delay. Which I heard my dad talked later too. My oldest son wasn't delayed but he attended childcare always. My mom kept my twins and I think partly there just wasn't a good "learning environment" for them, that possibly they would have done better at daycare. (By the time I got home from work, fed, bath time, etc., there was talking of course by me but not really many hours out of the day, if that makes sense.) I still recall them both pointing at things and my trying to get them to say the words, that sort of thing. Memories, memories! I miss those days! (they're 19 now!)>> I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used> interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same> (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me

February 12, 2008

Thanks. Both of these make sense. Tyler is diagnosed Aspergers and did not have early speech delays. He will also talk your ear off now though when younger he didn't talk as much to strangers but now will talk to anyone. Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: I notice the language delay feature between HFA and AS. My two boys are definitely HFA and had severe language delays. In the AS kids I have been around locally, they will talk your ear off. I have also

seen that the testing is different between the two in that for my hfa kids, the performance scores are higher and with the AS kids, usually the verbal scores are higher. I don't know if that is a rule by any means - just something I have noticed over the years and seen when looking at tests of other kids and then at my own kids as well. Kids here who are autistic are almost always scoring higher in performance vs. language/verbal scores. And the kids with AS are usually very verbal overall and test that way. And this has been true even as they got older. On Tony Attwood's sight, I once read a study they did about the difference - why some kids with autism advanced vs why some did not. There is a group of kids who are dx'd with autism but who suddenly have things kick into gear and are able then to

learn to talk and function (high functioning autism, basically). These kids will advance in the early years and join a trajectory that is similar to the kids with AS. So I think the major differences do happen early in development. I think it does affect the kids long term but not like a huge red sign overhead or anything. More subtle issues. I have always made it a point to correct people working with my two boys who will say they have AS because they do not have AS. I think it's important for them to understand that both boys have dealt with severe speech delays and that they will not have the same large vocabulary as kids with AS usually do have. My 11 yo is more talkative and will sometimes not stop making noises. But my 19 yo only speaks when necessary and then only the

shortest words and sentences to get his point across. I don't think we've ever once had to say, "Be quiet, Royce!" lol. RoxannaAutism Happens ( ) Re: HFA and Aspergers With HFA, there is a delay in language skills.

There's no significant delay with Aspergers. I think the delay is something like - prior to age 3. Where I can get confused is what they mean by "language." My son's evaluators felt he had a delay and thus was HFA. I felt he didn't have a delay and was Aspergers. So on final paperwork, they wrote HFA/Aspergers. That delay is apparently the only difference between the two (from what I've read). Here's one bit I just googled on it:"One aspect of Asperger's syndrome that differentiates it from autism appears early in affected children's language development, says Volkmar. Typical autistic children show language delays--pointing and grunting--while same-aged children without the disorder are stringing together simple sentences. In comparison, most children with Asperger's syndrome grasp language quickly, sometimes even more quickly than their cohorts."My son has a

twin (not identical) and both were late in talking, as in above example. I guess I just feel it didn't "definitely" apply since twin (who is typical) also had the delay. Which I heard my dad talked later too. My oldest son wasn't delayed but he attended childcare always. My mom kept my twins and I think partly there just wasn't a good "learning environment" for them, that possibly they would have done better at daycare. (By the time I got home from work, fed, bath time, etc., there was talking of course by me but not really many hours out of the day, if that makes sense.) I still recall them both pointing at things and my trying to get them to say the words, that sort of thing. Memories, memories! I miss those days! (they're 19 now!)>> I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used> interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same> (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me

February 12, 2008

Ha ha. I can "attempt" to use it much better than listening to it and figuring it out. Unless there's an easy word, like Couch..... He actually fell asleep in HIS bed last night. Of course,,,,,,,,,knowing that he slept there ALL NIGHT is going to be reason for him to sleep on the couch for the next week and a half and NOT even try HIS bed. Ha ha. Whatever works. ave-hay a odd-gay ay-day!!!! Ha ha.Toni <kbtoni@...> wrote: so sweet that Ian,... pig latin, haven't used that in a long time... well.. idday ehay ogay otay theay (haha) ouchcay? no wonder I don't use it anymore, it's too hard for this old brain to figure out ...especially spelling Re: ( ) HFA and Aspergers I'm probably way

off.....and wrong, but I was told that they are the same. AS is on the autism spectrum,.....so the use of HFA puts the "more known" name AUTISM out there for those who may not understand a darned thing we tell them with the word aspergers. Did I make sense? I always say, "Aspergers.....it's a high functioning form of autism." Even though I'm not sure I agree with as being a form of autism. NOW did I make any sense? Ha ha. It's late and Ian in "hoo hooing" in his room and wide awake. I'm sure it's a matter of minutes before I hear him say, "mom.......an-cay I o-gay to the ouch-cay"???? He uses pig-latin so his brother and sisters supposedly can't understand him. Ha ha. RobinWilla Hunt <willafularmory> wrote: On Mar

6, 2:33pm, "" wrote:} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an} explanation of differences. Thanks.It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believethey're the same. Other people make a distinction. Willa Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

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So are you saying HFA's generally have a larger vocab but won't talk your ear off? And AS smaller vocab and won't talk much? I think of Ian,,,,and he has an amaxing vocab, but won't really talk unless it's what he's doing at that moment or what he's into......Also makes noises......ahhhhhh,,,,the noises.Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote: I notice the language delay feature between HFA and AS. My two boys are definitely HFA and had severe language

delays. In the AS kids I have been around locally, they will talk your ear off. I have also seen that the testing is different between the two in that for my hfa kids, the performance scores are higher and with the AS kids, usually the verbal scores are higher. I don't know if that is a rule by any means - just something I have noticed over the years and seen when looking at tests of other kids and then at my own kids as well. Kids here who are autistic are almost always scoring higher in performance vs. language/verbal scores. And the kids with AS are usually very verbal overall and test that way. And this has been true even as they got older. On Tony Attwood's sight, I once read a study they did about the difference - why some kids with autism advanced vs why some did not. There is a group of kids

who are dx'd with autism but who suddenly have things kick into gear and are able then to learn to talk and function (high functioning autism, basically). These kids will advance in the early years and join a trajectory that is similar to the kids with AS. So I think the major differences do happen early in development. I think it does affect the kids long term but not like a huge red sign overhead or anything. More subtle issues. I have always made it a point to correct people working with my two boys who will say they have AS because they do not have AS. I think it's important for them to understand that both boys have dealt with severe speech delays and that they will not have the same large vocabulary as kids with AS usually do have. My 11 yo is more talkative and will sometimes not stop

making noises. But my 19 yo only speaks when necessary and then only the shortest words and sentences to get his point across. I don't think we've ever once had to say, "Be quiet, Royce!" lol. RoxannaAutism Happens ( ) Re:

HFA and Aspergers With HFA, there is a delay in language skills. There's no significant delay with Aspergers. I think the delay is something like - prior to age 3. Where I can get confused is what they mean by "language." My son's evaluators felt he had a delay and thus was HFA. I felt he didn't have a delay and was Aspergers. So on final paperwork, they wrote HFA/Aspergers. That delay is apparently the only difference between the two (from what I've read). Here's one bit I just googled on it:"One aspect of Asperger's syndrome that differentiates it from autism appears early in affected children's language development, says Volkmar. Typical autistic children show language delays--pointing and grunting--while same-aged children without the disorder are stringing together simple sentences. In comparison, most children with Asperger's syndrome grasp language

quickly, sometimes even more quickly than their cohorts."My son has a twin (not identical) and both were late in talking, as in above example. I guess I just feel it didn't "definitely" apply since twin (who is typical) also had the delay. Which I heard my dad talked later too. My oldest son wasn't delayed but he attended childcare always. My mom kept my twins and I think partly there just wasn't a good "learning environment" for them, that possibly they would have done better at daycare. (By the time I got home from work, fed, bath time, etc., there was talking of course by me but not really many hours out of the day, if that makes sense.) I still recall them both pointing at things and my trying to get them to say the words, that sort of thing. Memories, memories! I miss those days! (they're 19 now!)>> I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used> interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same> (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me

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My 6 year old had a significant language delay but was not evaluated

until she was 4. At that time she still did a lot of echolalia but

had a good grasp on academics. She did not interact well with others

but was interested in watching them. The school psychologist said

she most likely had AS. Then she started talking and communicating

with others after starting the gfcf diet. Two months after seeing

the school psychologist, the Autism Clinic said she was not on the

spectrum. She had less significant issues but they were all still

there. She spoke still a bit scripted, but attempted to engage

children. She was most comfortable around adults. Even though she

did not have an official dx, she had placement under autism, as her

special ed teacher said she still had autistic traits. Now she is in

a regular private school but still has special needs. She looks more

like she has ADD/ADHD. Her socialization is immature but not

scripted anymore. She never stops talking and has a large

vocabulary. She is advanced in reading and writing skills. Her

reading comprehension is good which is a surprise given her recent

speech delay. I had her tested about a week ago to see if she has a

diagnosis. I noticed she did not answers some questions she was

asked due to not hearing them and did not answer some questions

directly. Other than that she appeared pretty normal. The MD was

going to visit her school to see her in a normal environment but did

not expect to give her a dx. This is odd to me since my 3 year old

son as PDD NOS and she has behaviors and emotional issues that are

much more severe. She may be able to contain herself for long

stretches of time but she lets it all out at home. I expect her to

learn on a different curve than NT children. She talks a lot and

attracts other children to her, but she has difficulty with the back

and forth of communication. She wants other to do things her way,

but has learned not to talk about things that other children are not

interested in.

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> > interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not

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> > (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please

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I wish I knew? Maybe b/c they can have such hard times getting to sleep,,,,whether it's the meds wearing off or their mind racing or whatever,,,,,but the idea of BED is just not very comforting to them. My son has been a couch-sleeper for years. We have the tv set off for a certain time. All of my kids sleep better with someone. Whether it's us or eachother. Heck...that's the way it was done in the old days!!! Robinsherry burford <superchick0770@...> wrote: my son 9 dx

w/ Aspergers has been sleeping on the couch for a week also last night he slept in his room but only after his 12 yr NT sister said she would sleep in there w/ him. I really am at a loss for what to do. Why the couch. Why do they think it is better than a bed? Sherry and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Ha ha. I can "attempt" to use it much better than listening to it and figuring it out. Unless there's an easy word, like Couch..... He actually fell asleep in HIS bed last night. Of course,,,,,,,,,knowing that he slept there ALL NIGHT is going to be reason for him to sleep on the couch for the next week and a half and NOT even try HIS bed. Ha ha. Whatever works. ave-hay a odd-gay ay-day!!!! Ha ha.Toni

<kbtoniwindstream (DOT) net> wrote: so sweet that Ian,... pig latin, haven't used that in a long time... well.. idday ehay ogay otay theay (haha) ouchcay? no wonder I don't use it anymore, it's too hard for this old brain to figure out ...especially spelling Re: ( ) HFA and Aspergers I'm probably way off.....and wrong, but I was told that they are the same. AS is on the autism spectrum,.....so the use of HFA puts the "more known" name AUTISM out there for those who may not understand a darned thing we tell them with the word aspergers. Did I make sense? I always say, "Aspergers.....it's a high functioning form of autism." Even though I'm not sure I agree with as being a form of autism. NOW did I make any sense? Ha ha. It's late and Ian in "hoo hooing" in his room and wide awake. I'm sure it's a matter of minutes before I hear him say, "mom.......an-cay I o-gay to the ouch-cay"???? He uses pig-latin so his brother and sisters supposedly can't understand him. Ha ha. RobinWilla Hunt

<willafularmory> wrote: On Mar 6, 2:33pm, "" wrote:} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an} explanation of differences. Thanks.It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believethey're the same. Other people make a distinction. Willa Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

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So u see nothing wrong with this? I mean i am not making matters worse by allowing these things? and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote: I wish I knew? Maybe b/c they can have such hard times getting to sleep,,,,whether it's the meds wearing off or their mind racing or whatever,,,,,but the idea of BED is just not very comforting to them. My son has been a couch-sleeper for years. We have the tv set off for a certain time. All of my kids sleep better with someone. Whether

it's us or eachother. Heck...that's the way it was done in the old days!!! Robinsherry burford <superchick0770 > wrote: my son 9 dx w/ Aspergers has been sleeping on the couch for a week also last night he slept in his room but only after his 12 yr NT sister said she would sleep in there w/ him. I really am at a loss for what to do. Why the couch. Why do they think it is better than a bed? Sherry and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Ha ha. I can "attempt" to use it much better than listening to it and figuring it out. Unless there's an easy word, like Couch..... He actually fell asleep in HIS bed last night. Of

course,,,,,,,,,knowing that he slept there ALL NIGHT is going to be reason for him to sleep on the couch for the next week and a half and NOT even try HIS bed. Ha ha. Whatever works. ave-hay a odd-gay ay-day!!!! Ha ha.Toni <kbtoniwindstream (DOT) net> wrote: so sweet that Ian,... pig latin, haven't used that in a long time... well.. idday ehay ogay otay theay (haha) ouchcay? no wonder I don't use it anymore, it's too hard for this old brain to figure out ...especially spelling Re: ( ) HFA and Aspergers I'm probably way off.....and wrong, but I was told that they are the same. AS is on the autism spectrum,.....so the use of HFA puts the "more known" name AUTISM out there for those who may not understand a darned thing we tell them with the word aspergers. Did I make sense? I always say, "Aspergers.....it's a high functioning form of autism." Even though I'm not sure I agree with as being a form of autism. NOW did I make any sense? Ha ha. It's late and Ian in "hoo hooing"

in his room and wide awake. I'm sure it's a matter of minutes before I hear him say, "mom.......an-cay I o-gay to the ouch-cay"???? He uses pig-latin so his brother and sisters supposedly can't understand him. Ha ha. RobinWilla Hunt <willafularmory> wrote: On Mar 6, 2:33pm, "" wrote:} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an} explanation of differences. Thanks.It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believethey're the same. Other people make a distinction.

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Okie doke. Ian didn't have any speech delays,,,,,,,but doesn't talk unless it's something of importance to HIM. Then watch out. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Elgamal <cindyelgamal@...> wrote: No, Robin, I think she is saying Aspergers kids typically talk more than HFA kiddos, possibly due to the fact that HFA's had speech delays. My son is Aspergers and won't shut up most of the time - I have learned to just tune him out sometimes. and/or Robin Lemke

<jrisjs > wrote: So are you saying HFA's generally have a larger vocab but won't talk your ear off? And AS smaller vocab and won't talk much? I think of Ian,,,,and he has an amaxing vocab, but won't really talk unless it's what he's doing at that moment or what he's into......Also makes noises......ahhhhhh,,,,the noises.Roxanna <madideaszoominternet (DOT) net> wrote: I notice the language delay feature between HFA and AS. My two boys are definitely HFA and had severe language delays. In the AS kids I have been around locally, they will talk your ear off. I have also seen that the testing is different

between the two in that for my hfa kids, the performance scores are higher and with the AS kids, usually the verbal scores are higher. I don't know if that is a rule by any means - just something I have noticed over the years and seen when looking at tests of other kids and then at my own kids as well. Kids here who are autistic are almost always scoring higher in performance vs. language/verbal scores. And the kids with AS are usually very verbal overall and test that way. And this has been true even as they got older. On Tony Attwood's sight, I once read a study they did about the difference - why some kids with autism advanced vs why some did not. There is a group of kids who are dx'd with autism but who suddenly have things kick into gear and are able then to learn to talk and function (high functioning

autism, basically). These kids will advance in the early years and join a trajectory that is similar to the kids with AS. So I think the major differences do happen early in development. I think it does affect the kids long term but not like a huge red sign overhead or anything. More subtle issues. I have always made it a point to correct people working with my two boys who will say they have AS because they do not have AS. I think it's important for them to understand that both boys have dealt with severe speech delays and that they will not have the same large vocabulary as kids with AS usually do have. My 11 yo is more talkative and will sometimes not stop making noises. But my 19 yo only speaks when necessary and then only the shortest words and sentences to get his point across.

I don't think we've ever once had to say, "Be quiet, Royce!" lol. RoxannaAutism Happens ( ) Re: HFA and Aspergers With HFA, there is a delay in language skills. There's no significant delay with Aspergers. I think the delay is something like - prior to age 3. Where I can get confused is what they mean by "language." My son's evaluators felt he had a delay and thus was HFA. I felt he didn't have a delay and was Aspergers. So on final paperwork, they wrote HFA/Aspergers. That delay is

apparently the only difference between the two (from what I've read). Here's one bit I just googled on it:"One aspect of Asperger's syndrome that differentiates it from autism appears early in affected children's language development, says Volkmar. Typical autistic children show language delays--pointing and grunting--while same-aged children without the disorder are stringing together simple sentences. In comparison, most children with Asperger's syndrome grasp language quickly, sometimes even more quickly than their cohorts."My son has a twin (not identical) and both were late in talking, as in above example. I guess I just feel it didn't "definitely" apply since twin (who is typical) also had the delay. Which I heard my dad talked later too. My oldest son wasn't delayed but he attended childcare always. My mom kept my twins and I think partly there just wasn't a good "learning environment" for them,

that possibly they would have done better at daycare. (By the time I got home from work, fed, bath time, etc., there was talking of course by me but not really many hours out of the day, if that makes sense.) I still recall them both pointing at things and my trying to get them to say the words, that sort of thing. Memories, memories! I miss those days! (they're 19 now!)>> I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used> interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same> (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Well,,,,I'm confused about this now. Ian would be fine for days if he didn't have to speak. He's never had delayed speech. He would like to have friends, but could care a less if it doesn't happen. But makes lots of noises (shouts.....singing notes outloud.......like "hoo hooooo".......) Big vocabulary. Good with academics. Rode a 2-wheeler at 5,,,,,but isn't into sports at all. Just kind of does his thing. Not more comfortable around adults,,,,,,,,,,just people in general.....odd. Ya know? Hmmmm..........is this more HFA or AS ................or hermit? Ha ha Robinjennifer_thorson <jennifer_thorson@...> wrote: My 6 year old had a significant language delay but was not evaluated until she was 4. At that time she still did a lot of echolalia but had a good grasp on academics. She did not interact well with others but was interested in watching them. The school psychologist said she most likely had AS. Then she started talking and communicating with others after starting the gfcf diet. Two months after seeing the school psychologist, the Autism Clinic said she was not on the spectrum. She had less significant issues but they were all still there. She spoke still a bit scripted, but attempted to engage children. She was most comfortable around adults. Even though she did not have an official dx, she had placement under autism, as her

special ed teacher said she still had autistic traits. Now she is in a regular private school but still has special needs. She looks more like she has ADD/ADHD. Her socialization is immature but not scripted anymore. She never stops talking and has a large vocabulary. She is advanced in reading and writing skills. Her reading comprehension is good which is a surprise given her recent speech delay. I had her tested about a week ago to see if she has a diagnosis. I noticed she did not answers some questions she was asked due to not hearing them and did not answer some questions directly. Other than that she appeared pretty normal. The MD was going to visit her school to see her in a normal environment but did not expect to give her a dx. This is odd to me since my 3 year old son as PDD NOS and she has behaviors and emotional issues that are much more severe. She may be able to contain herself for long stretches of

time but she lets it all out at home. I expect her to learn on a different curve than NT children. She talks a lot and attracts other children to her, but she has difficulty with the back and forth of communication. She wants other to do things her way, but has learned not to talk about things that other children are not interested in. > >> > I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used> > interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the > same> > (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain > to me> > > >

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I guess I look at it like,,,,,,,,it's just where he sleeps. It's not that he punches people in the face if they have black hair. Ha ha. Even if the worse thing happened and he slept on the couch until the day when he moves out on his own................and he sleeps on the couch in his own place.......so what? Maybe I should be more concerned.....but......heck I'd love it if my husband left the bed just for me!!! I go to sleep with the tv on a timer and slip my shoes on without tying/untying...........my dad would crap if he knew that!!!!!! Ha ha. I guess in the big picture of life,,,,,it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. He hee. Robinsherry burford <superchick0770@...> wrote: So u see nothing wrong with this? I mean i am not making matters worse by allowing these things? and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: I wish I knew? Maybe b/c they can have such hard times getting to sleep,,,,whether it's the meds wearing off or their mind racing or whatever,,,,,but the idea of BED is just not very comforting to them. My son has been a couch-sleeper for years. We have the tv set off for a certain time. All of my kids sleep better with someone. Whether it's us or eachother. Heck...that's the way it

was done in the old days!!! Robinsherry burford <superchick0770 > wrote: my son 9 dx w/ Aspergers has been sleeping on the couch for a week also last night he slept in his room but only after his 12 yr NT sister said she would sleep in there w/ him. I really am at a loss for what to do. Why the couch. Why do they think it is better than a bed? Sherry and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs > wrote: Ha ha. I can "attempt" to use it much better than listening to it and figuring it out. Unless there's an easy word, like Couch..... He actually fell asleep in HIS bed last night. Of course,,,,,,,,,knowing that he slept there ALL NIGHT is going to be

reason for him to sleep on the couch for the next week and a half and NOT even try HIS bed. Ha ha. Whatever works. ave-hay a odd-gay ay-day!!!! Ha ha.Toni <kbtoniwindstream (DOT) net> wrote: so sweet that Ian,... pig latin, haven't used that in a long time... well.. idday ehay ogay otay theay (haha) ouchcay? no wonder I don't use it anymore, it's too hard for this old brain to figure out ...especially spelling Re: ( ) HFA and Aspergers I'm probably way off.....and wrong, but I was told that they are the same. AS is on the autism spectrum,.....so the use of HFA puts the "more known" name AUTISM out there for those who may not understand a darned thing we tell them with the word aspergers. Did I make sense? I always say, "Aspergers.....it's a high functioning form of autism." Even though I'm not sure I agree with as being a form of autism. NOW did I make any sense? Ha ha. It's late and Ian in "hoo hooing" in his room and wide awake. I'm sure it's a matter of

minutes before I hear him say, "mom.......an-cay I o-gay to the ouch-cay"???? He uses pig-latin so his brother and sisters supposedly can't understand him. Ha ha. RobinWilla Hunt <willafularmory> wrote: On Mar 6, 2:33pm, "" wrote:} I am a little confused about these terms. Sometimes you see them used} interchangeably and now I just saw a statement that they are not the same} (but no explanation as to differences). Could someone please explain to me} if HFA and Aspergers are one and the same or if they are different an} explanation of differences. Thanks.It's pretty ambiguous. Some people, including Temple Grandin, believethey're the same. Other people make a distinction. Willa Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.

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Well, I guess I should have clarified what I said as it sounds like

Tyler talks all the time. When he was younger he didn’t talk as much as

he does now but was not speech delayed – he also wouldn’t talk to

people he didn’t know. Now, when he is on a roll he talks nonstop and

will talk to anyone – person in line with us at grocery store, people at

airport/on airplane, people in elevators. But, there are times he won’t

talk and wants to be left alone and will tell me this if I am talking to him

and he doesn’t want to talk. Or, if it is a subject he does not want to

talk about… Hmmmmm…like just now on the ride home when I was

trying to give him a lesson on how to recognize when he is being manipulated,

how to stop people (currently two girls who are fighting over him) from

manipulating him, etc. Seriously, about this manipulation thing – I pray

every day for him. He is so naïve and does not have a clue, even though he

will be 18 in a few months, that one of these girls is a huge manipulator and

user. I am serious, I pray for him daily! He goes to a private school that is

designed for Aspergers, ADD/ADHD, dyslexia, etc. and I don’t know what

her diagnosis is though I would bet my first born that it is not Aspergers and

she is a piece of work. LOL!!

From:

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Behalf Of and/or Robin Lemke

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:34 PM

Subject: Re: ( ) Re: HFA and Aspergers

Okie doke.

Ian didn't have any speech delays,,,,,,,but doesn't talk

unless it's something of importance to HIM. Then watch out.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Elgamal <cindyelgamal@...> wrote:

No, Robin, I think she is saying Aspergers kids typically

talk more than HFA kiddos, possibly due to the fact that HFA's had speech

delays. My son is Aspergers and won't shut up most of the time - I

have learned to just tune him out sometimes.

and/or Robin Lemke <jrisjs@...> wrote:

So are you saying HFA's generally have a larger vocab but

won't talk your ear off?

And AS smaller vocab and won't talk much?

I think of Ian,,,,and he has an amaxing vocab, but won't

really talk unless it's what he's doing at that moment or what he's

into......Also makes noises......ahhhhhh,,,,the noises.

Roxanna <madideas@...> wrote:

I

notice the language delay feature between HFA and AS. My two boys are

definitely HFA and had severe language delays. In the AS kids I have been

around locally, they will talk your ear off. I have also seen that the

testing is different between the two in that for my hfa kids, the performance

scores are higher and with the AS kids, usually the verbal scores are

higher. I don't know if that is a rule by any means - just something I

have noticed over the years and seen when looking at tests of other kids and

then at my own kids as well. Kids here who are autistic are almost always

scoring higher in performance vs. language/verbal scores. And the kids

with AS are usually very verbal overall and test that way. And this has

been true even as they got older.

On Tony

Attwood's sight, I once read a study they did about the difference - why some

kids with autism advanced vs why some did not. There is a group of kids

who are dx'd with autism but who suddenly have things kick into gear and are

able then to learn to talk and function (high functioning autism,

basically). These kids will advance in the early years and join

a trajectory that is similar to the kids with AS. So I think the major

differences do happen early in development. I think it does affect the

kids long term but not like a huge red sign overhead or anything. More

subtle issues.

I have

always made it a point to correct people working with my two boys who will say

they have AS because they do not have AS. I think it's important for them

to understand that both boys have dealt with severe speech delays and that they

will not have the same large vocabulary as kids with AS usually do have.

My 11 yo is more talkative and will sometimes not stop making noises. But

my 19 yo only speaks when necessary and then only the shortest words and

sentences to get his point across. I don't think we've ever once had to

say, " Be quiet, Royce! " lol.

Roxanna

Autism Happens

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2008 11:15 PM

Subject: ( )

Re: HFA and Aspergers

With HFA, there is a delay in

language skills. There's no significant