Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Looking for info. on the low oxalate diet or oxalates in general. Thanks, Melinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 A month or so ago I did some googling about oxalates again and felt like it was safe to eat a few more things than I had before. I had been avoiding all spinach and was eating less of things with lower levels of oxalates. Now I have the impression that it is OK to eat most of the green ones as long as they are cooked except spinach I am still avoiding. I got the idea that boiling was best but I usually steam. Does this mean that fried or baked okra would be a bad idea? A lot of the green things that will actually grow here in TX have oxalic acid. I thought turnip greens and mustard greeens were OK though. I've had a kidney stone which prompted my interest in oxalates. It was really interesting to learn that there may be a connection with leaky gut and CFS. Beverly > Lately I have been living on turnips greens and nuts thinking that I am > doing something > healthy. I will try the low oxalate diet and see if my gut feels better. > Thank you for the info. >I did read where collard greens are now on the acceptable list. I don't >understand that. >Maybe I will try eating them and taking the mag and calcium citrate before. >I am very >skinny and I do not absorb fat. The oil comes out on my hair and skin. >joyce > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hi I recommend joining the Trying Low Oxalate group. The group is run by Dr Owens who is the research doctor looking at the connection with oxalates/leaky gut and autism/other chronic illnesses. In the files section the are several files that list the oxalate content of foods and some supplements. Vitamin C is metabalised into oxalates in our bodies so that I have had to cut out. The timing of taking mag and cal citrate is quite critical, the Vulvadinia foundation recommend taking these 20 minutes before food. Also what is being recommended is to take fat soluble supplements between meals because what is happening is that oxalates act as chelators ie. they bind up the mag and calcium and they end up in a soupy mess if taken with oil supplements then the oils do not get absorbed either. So if you want to supplement calcium and magnesium to take it between meals with any fat soluble supplements. It is quite a task sorting out the supplements, but I am finding after just a couple of weeks I am really noticing very beneficial effects. When you start reducing the oxalates and adding mag/cal citrate then the body starts off loading stored oxalates and they call this dumping. I first thought my bowel tolerance to the mag citrate was the problem and I had diarrhea for the first few weeks. But this is part of the detox process the body goes through, you feel worse before you feel better. They recommend to gradually reduce the oxalates and go slow with adding the suggested supplements. I also recommend watching the dietitian s webinars on the low oxalate diet. http://www.righthealth.com/topic/The_Low_Oxalate_Diet Good luck Joyce > > Lately I have been living on turnips greens and nuts thinking that I am doing something healthy. I will try the low oxalate diet and see if my gut feels better. Thank you for the info. I did read where collard greens are now on the acceptable list. I don't understand that. Maybe I will try eating them and taking the mag and calcium citrate before. I am very skinny and I do not absorb fat. The oil comes out on my hair and skin. joyce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 Hi Bev I have to rush this reply, sorry, but didn't want you to think I forgot you. Okra is high in oxalates and yes you are right it is recommended to boil the vegies not steam. That was a shock for me as I steam everything in order to retain nutrients. I hate the idea of boiled broccoli - yuk. I think mustard greens and turnips or okay. But don't take my word for it, Trying Low Oxalate group have several lists of foods and the oxalate content. They are continually updating the lists as they regularly send foods off to be tested. Also they have several low oxalate recipes in the files and they are often posting new suggestions for recipes. Kind Regards > > A month or so ago I did some googling about oxalates again and felt like it > was safe to eat a few more things than I had before. I had been avoiding all > spinach and was eating less of things with lower levels of oxalates. Now I > have the impression that it is OK to eat most of the green ones as long as > they are cooked except spinach I am still avoiding. I got the idea that > boiling was best but I usually steam. Does this mean that fried or baked > okra would be a bad idea? A lot of the green things that will actually grow > here in TX have oxalic acid. I thought turnip greens and mustard greeens > were OK though. > > I've had a kidney stone which prompted my interest in oxalates. It was > really interesting to learn that there may be a connection with leaky gut > and CFS. > Beverly > > > > Lately I have been living on turnips greens and nuts thinking that I am > > doing something > > healthy. I will try the low oxalate diet and see if my gut feels better. > > Thank you for the info. > >I did read where collard greens are now on the acceptable list. I don't > >understand that. > >Maybe I will try eating them and taking the mag and calcium citrate before. > >I am very > >skinny and I do not absorb fat. The oil comes out on my hair and skin. > >joyce > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2011 Report Share Posted January 30, 2011 I don't think heat destroys oxalates, at least not that I've heard. If anyone has heard otherwise, I'd be very interested in knowing about it. (I don't think oxalates have anything to do with my CFS, but they may be a factor in other illnesses I have.) Boiling in lots of water might leech some of the oxalates out, maybe. But, steaming would not have the same effect, since it doesn't provide water to wash the oxalates away. Joyce asked why collards would be OK if spinach was not. Spinach and collards are not closely related plants, even though they are used in similar ways in cooking. Spinach is related to beets and chard, all of which are high in oxalates. Collards are actually a type of cabbage, and my understanding is that cabbage isn't especially high in oxalates. Other plants that are the same species as cabbage include brussel sprouts, kale, cauliflower, broccoli, and kolhrabi, so they should all be pretty low in oxalates. Turnip and mustard greens are also related to cabbage, so I think they're OK, too. > > A month or so ago I did some googling about oxalates again and felt like it > was safe to eat a few more things than I had before. I had been avoiding all > spinach and was eating less of things with lower levels of oxalates. Now I > have the impression that it is OK to eat most of the green ones as long as > they are cooked except spinach I am still avoiding. I got the idea that > boiling was best but I usually steam.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I felt so much better this weekend because I went off of nuts! Amazing! Thanks for making me aware! joyce > > > > A month or so ago I did some googling about oxalates again and felt like it > > was safe to eat a few more things than I had before. I had been avoiding all > > spinach and was eating less of things with lower levels of oxalates. Now I > > have the impression that it is OK to eat most of the green ones as long as > > they are cooked except spinach I am still avoiding. I got the idea that > > boiling was best but I usually steam.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Thanks for all that information it has been really helpful x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hi , I have been following this thread with interest as I am experiencing the most progress from following autstic protocols. I was surprised that Joyce? found relief so quickly but perhaps that is a measure of increased sensitivity. I also do not experience much of a reaction except for spinach. I can eat all the nuts I want and do not experience adverse reactions. I think this is one of those cases where: 1. We are all different, genetically, metabolically, physiologically. 2. Our illnesses/bodily systems are at differing levels of ill health. I intend to experiment with this - it is worth looking into. Marti > > how fast do results show up? if i stay off oxalates for 2 days, is that enough to be able to tell? > so far, it is not obvious to me i have ever had a reaction to them. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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